Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? When will comrade Lenin get the burial he deserves, Zig Forums?

Just bury him next to his wife already. It's what he wanted.

send the corpse to tel Aviv

good bye Lenin!

honestly, who the fuck cares? cult of personality is a fucking trot meme anyway

Never
muh Great Man theory

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fucking burgers

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Fucking wew

Fidel also avoided it. If there was a cult of personality in Cuba it was built around Che.

My guess is that there'll be strong pressures to bury the corpse in 2024 (100th anniversary of his death). If his funeral isn't held then his corpse will probably be on display for decades to come. Lenin remains an inspirational symbol for leftism in Russia, especially with the older generation. Porky knows that a funeral for Lenin could easily inspire a wave of leftist unrest, so he prefers to just display the corpse indefinitely.

There's literally nothing wrong with a cult of personality. People need to attach a face to communism. The spirit of history needs a face in order to keep its character. I suspect anarkiddies and trots hate this fact because it means that Marxism and Socialism will always be associated with the "living" face of Lenin so long as his body stays out on display.

This, but for both Lenin and Mao

Not exactly the same since Che died a martyr

They literally have it around ⛏️rotsky

There is a difference between recognizing a leader / person’s contribution to something and honoring them and descending into cult-like behavior. See

Really though embalming a body for display isn't cultlike. If anything it is the opposite. Displaying Lenin's body in a such a manner would be seen as grotesque in most traditional societies. I am in agreement with , when we have world communism we should bury his body. Until then it should stay and any liberal who tries to get it put underground should be silenced.

Khrushchev removal of Stalin's cult of personality was unironically a good thing, however he did resort to lying to remove it which i think was unnecessary

lol no we don't

I think ⛏️rotsky was a narcissistic dick and so do most Trots I've encountered. Brilliant writer and thinker but mediocre human being.

found the utopian

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sbooks XD

No, no it wasn't. It singlehandy stopped the Communist party from taking over France and ruined Communism forever.

In the Eastern Orthodox tradition, the bodies of saints and other holy figures are considered to either be immune to decomposition or to decompose very slowly. This is a plot point in the Brothers Karamazov if you've ever read that. So the embalming and displaying of Lenin's body is considered by a lot of people to be a continuation of that.

explain

i'm curious though, what was the official reasoning for it? seems more of an attempt of mocking religion by preserving his body with scientific methods

Elaborate
It was More about the PCF being filled with Literal SucDem infiltrators who told everyone to go home more then anything

Oh and we back babi :D

Workers themselves asked for it. So many people wanted to go to Moscow to see Lenin, he'd become decayed way before all of them did. So there were thousands of letters asking for his body to be preserved. I don't think Lenin would have objected if he knew that was the will of the working masses.

from what i understand the original mausoleum was only meant to be temporary, but since mourning ended up lasting more than a month they renovated it and continued to preserve his body (and still do, although state funding stopped when the union collapsed).
people who complain about muh cult of personality are idiots. the people wanted to see him and still do.

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if i ever come to visit russia/moscow and have enough free time i definitely go there and pay respect to this great man. we should be glad about this unique memorial, he deserves nothing less.

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Apparently he’s mostly wax, paint, and preservatives at this point.

I honestly never got this shit. Didn’t he specifically request that he be buried with his mom? Hell, as much as I wish to have met Joe Hill or basically any of the original Wobblies, I wouldn’t want to see them like this.

scientificamerican.com/article/lenin-s-body-improves-with-age1/

When the body is entirely artificial, will it still be his body? This reminds me of the ship of Theseus.

If only you knew how bad things really are

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Khruschev Lies

what in the fuck is that

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I imagine Khrushchev is one of people who can be thanked for communism killed commuzilion meme?

When we revive him and create full communism under his guidance.

But he forever youth.

It's Lenin's body

oh no

Eh, its just a corpse. It is hardly Lenin anymore than a really good statue is. I say keep it up.
Nothing wrong with cults of personality though. All that means is "Those poor stupid Gommies like that evil dictator but not really". The only real problem is when they do not adhere to the principles that Lenin adhered to. Fucking revisionists man.

The Majority of those elected "Socialist" officials were popular front friendly SucDem who had literally no issue sucking USA Dick
The PCF had this issue but admittedly to a slightly lesser degree
Mai 68 happened long after Khrushchev's tenure had ended and plenty of Communists (M-L's / Maoists) Anarchists and oddballs (Situationists) were literally up and ready to overthrow the French gov but then these "Socialist" and "Communist" parties told them all to go home

If you actually think that Moscow had any influence over the West-Euro commie parties after the iron curtain came up then your dreaming

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A Cult of personality isnt the same as Lenin shit
As Lenin was dead when most of the Monuments to him were erected
Now a Cult of Personality involving the Dieficaton of a Living Man is a Negative thing and a threat to Democratic Consensus

No it isn’t, they’re incompatible which was the point of my post. You can’t denounce revisionism while saying that there’s nothing wrong with the cult of personality.

what do you find appealing about his actions? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

I would say they are equally negative since they create a false consciousness in people.

This is threatened by millions of factors and not even valuable in itself, the psychology of crowds is moved by the wind and democratic consensus does not magically produce just or right results, see Chomsky "manufacturing consent"

ML confirmed as a cult

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"Members of the clergy were subjected to particularly brutal abuse. According to documents cited by the late Alexander Yakovlev, then head of the Presidential Committee for the Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repression, priests, monks and nuns were crucified, thrown into cauldrons of boiling tar, scalped, strangled, given Communion with melted lead and drowned in holes in the ice.[32] An estimated 3,000 were put to death in 1918 alone.[32]"

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holy shit i didnt know lenin was such a savage and would do such evil evil things
i renounce leninism! what a pure evil man! woah! thats just horrible, why would they do such things, truly these leninists are despicable and inhumane, the poor tsar, those poor clerics, what the hell? i am so sorry!

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>>>Zig Forums
>>>/liberalpol/

The historian is Yakovlev. During the 1980s he was a member of the Politburo and Secretariat of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
He served in the Red Army during World War II, being badly wounded in the Nazi siege of Leningrad, and became a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in 1944.
Yakovlev was the first Soviet politician to acknowledge the existence of the secret protocols of the 1939 Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact with Nazi Germany.

How did you become like this?

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I fucking wish it was real. Demiurge worshipers deserve to have communion with molten lead.

You are on a politically incorrect board, there is nothing more politically incorrect than worshipping the torturing and killing of people who don't share your worldview.

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so you're just a foil of Zig Forums ? you mimic the Zig Forums posters who say 'the holocaust never happened, but it should.'

Holodomor didn't happen but it should've

alexander sinowjew tried to kill Stalin, got thrown into a psychic ward, joined the military later and rehabilitated himself, realized his error and called Stalin the greatest genius of his century who did nothing wrong
guess that settles it on that matter then, huh?
yakovlev is a liar and its funny you think the secret protocols are a big deal considering the circumstances it was made in
or are you such a dunce that you justify poland and the western powers in what they did?
do you even know what the curzon line is?

the simple truth of the matter is: there might've been a few excesses, these were neither ordered by the party, nor inherent of its ideology, and frankly those instances would be justified by the clerical terror against the people even if it were victims in the tens of thousands

why are you such a crybaby over some spilled blood and torture only when it comes to one side of it? why do you reduce the "red terror" to such instances when the collective terror was as a whole fully justified in all its actions against this despicable inhumane scum that brutally murdered people in the millions?
you're a hypocrite and it's just laughable that you'd pretend to take offense when your ideology is soaked in the blood of innocent masses of working people

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Yakovlev was a huge liberal and one of the people responsible for the end of the USSR. But okay, the clergy were some of the biggest oppressors and reactionaries there were in Russia and they had it coming. Tell me again why you're shilling for monarchists.

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Yeltsin was also a high-ranking party member, you know.

Also

You are a disgusting liberal

Look man, I totally believe the clergy was put to death. They were part of the old regime and letting them live would only enable counterrevolution. But this bullshit about crucifixions and making them drink boiling lead is very obviously nonsense. They probably got a bullet to the head and dumped in a mass grave. No need for the silly theatrics.

You're telling me that when you are killing people you wouldn't have some fun? I would rape the clergy's asses and have them watch my buddies rape the nuns.

and it wouldnt even matter, they raped children for hundreds of years by then, so why suddenly cry about some raped nuns? that's really telling about the persons character, protectors of the oh so innocent violent savages that went on with their crimes and took part in massacring people just so they could keep going with it
literally fuck this scum, i have no sympathy for this

If you're going to overthrow a "corrupt" government, why would your first actions be extra-judicial mass murder? To me that's a signal that something is rotten in the state of Denmark and the moral compass of the new elite is broken

You think this was good and justified? To just rally up nuns and monks (who basically lived cloistered lives) and execute them?
It doesn't even make sense pragmatically because they didn't try to kill all of them, they knew that too much pressure against the Church would embolden the opposition since many/most russians were devout christians. They never fully suppressed the Church anyway, and now it's revived stronger than before.

Every group has historical crimes. This is absurd. This is the same logic Julius Malema uses to justify violence/death/theft against white farmers in SA.

tfu

rape was common:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom_in_Russia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snokhachestvo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_marriage

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You think the Soviets could stop the White Guards with some nice words and flowers?

It was wonderful times when anarkiddies were shot in the head by the NKVD

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Edgy.
If I found out anyone under me was engaging in such hooliganism, I'd send them off for reeducation and rehabilitation. The last thing I want is for the public to find out and turn against the revolution or for you to go off the reservation and rape some bystander who looks at you funny. We've seen what happens when people are allowed to behave like animals. They BECOME animals.

I'm not a moralist. I'm not concerned about whether things are "good" or "justified". I'm concerned with ensuring the revolution is successful, and doing so while acknowledging that we are limited by our material conditions. If possible, they could instead be put into work camps and made to do something productive for once in their acediac lives. The important thing is that the worst of them aren't out stirring up counterrevolution among their congregation.
They fully suppressed the Church's political power within the USSR, which was their goal. Should they have gone farther to ensure the total death of religion? Perhaps, but as you pointed out, they couldn't do that without emboldening the opposition. They were limited by their material conditions, and just as they were forced to kill some of them they were also forced to let others live. A pity.

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And Lenin asked to be buried, you dense fuck.

As we all know anarchists don't have cults of personality

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People *ARE* Animals You Creationist Dimwit.

If Lenin had some way to know the working masses wanted his body to be embalmed after he, you know, died, I don't think he would refuse.

Also it's funny how anarkiddies simultaneously call Lenin a dictator and criticize the Soviets for not following all of his whims to the letter all of the time

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of course they don't!

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So you're a ⛏️rotskyist?
Success removed from goodness is not worth pursuing. How, in your mind, can you desire a goal that you don't explicitly consider good? How can you oppose a cause that you don't think is bad?

If you don't care about justification then you lose the power to identify good from evil, right from wrong, true from false, freedom from oppression, etc.

at least you use religious terms to speak about your ideology, since it functions very much like a religion, with its own dogma, adherents, blasphemies and infidels.

*What do you imagine would've been the best outcome of the USSR, had it not collapsed, give me a day in the life of a happy worker and his comrades
oops, accidental green text

because by the sound of it, if someone commits a thought crime, likes the wrong books, appreciates the wrong thinkers, says a prayer to God, then they should be murdered outright by the people's party?

And this is supposed to be an improvement?

By considering how it reflects the material interests of the working class. Duh? There is no universal "good" and "evil". What is good for me as a worker is not good for the bourgeoisie. What is good for the bourgeoisie is not good for workers like me.
Mighty spooky, friend!
I used the term "congregation" because we're literally talking about priests. Do try and keep up.

What are you even talking about?
The Clergy was part of the old regime. These weren't just random religious people committing thought crimes. They were directly allied with the Tsar and were part of the counterrevolution. They were government agents for the monarchy and had many connections across Russia and among the ruling class outside of Russia, and were too dangerous to let free.

You said previously you are not concerned with whether things are "good" only that success is attained. And you define success is achieving the material interests of a group over another. This is the logic of bourgeoisie relativism, there's nothing actually good about it, it's a false consciousness, and it is used to turn others into commodities and subhumans.

What's spooky is being unmoved by the murder of innocent people simply because one day, perhaps, maybe, they would critique your ideology, and even demand justification for your actions and goals.

sorry misread that as "among our congregation".

Still not grounds for murdering people. The nazis did their own purge as well, they functioned off similar logic. Which is the logic of paranoid relativism and amorality.

Grug see revolution happening
Make grug feel good
Grug see oppressors dying
Grug no feel good
Why?!

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Russia was at a fucking civil war you dumbass, yes people die in a civil war! how shocking! and if you think the white army would've done better you'd be a fool.

holy fuck are you retarded
literally kill yourself you history revisionist fucking illiterate massacre apologetic piece of fucking scum

there's a difference between soldiers dying in battle, and civilians getting rounded up and executed for being of the wrong religion/ideology.

Two wrongs don't make a right. If you are trying to revolt against a "corrupt" government, best to not become corrupt yourself. No? I understand collateral damage is unavoidable, but this was not the case, this was premeditated murder of civilians to strike terror in the common folk.

can you form an argument or idea, not sure what to say to you simply bashing your keyboard in a rage

Yes, the point is stuff like this usually happens in wars especially civil wars.

Define "corrupt", Any serious revolution must be willing to use revolutionary terror against the oppressor class, if this is what you mean by "corrupt", then No you can't revolt against a "corrupt" government without becoming "corrupt", however this "corruption" is a different form of "corruption" because it is used against the oppressors.
I'm going to quote a relevant Lenin quote here:"[The Dictatorship of the Proletariat] must be a state that is democratic in a new way (for the proletarians and the non-propertied in general) and dictatorial in a new way (against the bourgeoisie)"

this is why I hate relativism so much and the modern world is so regressive.

infected by demons. delusional. evil. murderous. greedy. lawless. lying. in short: amoral.

This but unironically, violence is just when used against the oppressors, and unjust when used against the oppressed.

It looks so fucking surreal. I kinda want to see it in real life just for the experience of standing next to the body and realizing that is actually Lenin himself lying there. I also kinda don't want to, but if I'd be in Moscow there is no way my curiosity wouldn't get the upper hand.
It is awfully disrespectful though and he ought to be properly buried (or cremated as far as I'm concerned).

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