Do liberals side with Fascists out of pure naivete or is it actually because they view the left as a bigger threat than the far-right?
Far too often I see Liberals hold the left to way more crazy standard than the right. But I can't actually tell if it's that Liberals think the far right can be "redeemed" and thus the left is not helping when we say "punch fascists" because we actually see the fucking reality, or it's because in the end, Libs actually agree with the far-right more than the left.
Do liberals side with Fascists out of pure naivete or is it actually because they view the left as a bigger threat than...
Logan Torres
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Liam Flores
neither, liberals usually side with fascist but in second world war the fascist pose a bigger treat due to their aggressiveness while uncle Joe single country policy was more manageable. before the war the "liberators" keep promoting fascist in Spain and Portugal as usual.
Gabriel Thompson
They see the far-left as a bigger threat than fascists.
They have lots of high-minded ideas about how a society ought to be run, but they also have vested economic interests in the existing capitalist system, and when the two collide, the economic interests win every time.
This is why having poor and working class people represented in the boards and councils of power is never going to make it into a liberal diversity quota.
Jacob Parker
That depends, ,,liberals of ruling class side with fascists when it suits them best. Normie,,liberals are brainlets and side with the side which has best propaganda.
Andrew Gonzalez
Liberal countries more or less sided with Hitler until he wound up attacking them first.
Hudson Butler
Another issue is that Liberals disturbingly often don't understand politics is actual material reality and that the threat of Fascism is actually real. They simply view politics as theatre and thus fascists dressing up in suits and "just wanting to have discussion" falls into that theatre, but the left punching the shit out of Fascists suddenly makes politics "real" and liberals can't see the victims of Fascism, all they see is a person crying on the ground with blood coming out of them, and a leftist with blood on their fist, and thus it's the leftist who is bad, despite, the leftist is actively defending the lives of everyone.
Another point I think is important, is that despite Liberals engaging in fucktonnes of idpol, they literally view minorities as nothing more than props. This is why libs engage in all lives matter and don't give a shit about fascist hate crimes against non-white/non-"middle class" people, because if politics doesn't affect them directly, it's just "theatre".
Liberals will always side with Fascists until the liberals direct interests are threatened, then they'll take the most limpwristed opposition.
Ryan Baker
Ruling class liberals side with fascists because it is in their class interests.
Rank-and-file liberals are lumpenized and have atrophied class consciousness, so their politics are purely performative. There are good guys (liberals) and bad guys (fascists) who represent everything that is wrong with the world but can be converted through debate in le free marketplace of ideas. This indirectly helps fascists because like in the real "free market", the idea that is the most successful is not the "best" or most rational one, but one that is easiest to market, i.e. fascism which is based on simple emotional appeals and aesthetics.
Meanwhile communists lie outside this dichotomy, and that angers and confuses the liberal. The fascist is just an orc, he is pure evil and easy to understand. The communist is far more complex and incomprehensible to the liberal, so he lashes out.
Gabriel Anderson
Nice. You wrote what I had in mind, but better.
Grayson Gonzalez
Jason Bailey
What does this brainlet-tier picture have to do with anything I typed?
Oliver Young
What makes it especially confusing is that you were paying out on liberals, meaning this dumbfuck Zig Forumstard just defended liberals by mistake because he's too fucking stupid to understand the content of your post.
Oliver Young
Based and Redpilled fellow MAGApede, WE are the anti-government ones!
Aiden Moore
Liberals side with fascists because they both support private property.
Aiden Bennett
I don't know what it is about this image that makes Zig Forums think this image is so clever
Ethan Gray
I like how it has ban fun on it despite Fascists being the ones who actually ban fun and attempted to turn everything into some Hitler glorifying thing creating a bunch of absolute shit plays and music.
Nathaniel Gonzalez
I take it back, it's not that stupid. It's a good representation of the fascist class consciousness. Being petit-bourgs, fascists see national bourgeoisie as "basically" good and look up to it, aspiring to also eventually become bourgeois. International bourgeoisie (bankers) is the enemy. It's too big and faceless and scary, they could never realistically join its ranks. The sin of the communists as fascists see it, is not siding with the national bourgeoisie which obviously means that we support the international bourgeoisie. Their petit-bourg blinders don't allow them to see that both are interconnected and presuppose each other.
James Foster
Wat?
Jacob Harris
learn history amerimong
Evan Phillips
Fuck off Zionist shill
Noah Carter
what's zionist about that?
Wyatt Mitchell
It's implying that BDS is morally equivalent to the Nazis (among other things.)
Christopher Ortiz
Apparently the fat SJW is supposed to represent pro-Palestine movements. My bad, didn't realize. Definitely don't support this kind of message.
Juan Scott
the answer is probably yes. not because they are inherently evil like fascists though, but because they are stupid
Alexander Campbell
it uses physiognomy
Carson Nelson
Charles Diaz
macron and his supporters aren't liberal, they are reactionaries. he doesn't even hide his contempt for the plebs.
Zachary Cox
liberals are reactionary and reactionaries are liberal
learn to sage, redditor
Brody Parker
wow anarkiddie shows the full power of his political wisdom
you're projecting, kid
Isaac Brown
I bet you are a hippie gardener with no job. Just simply cross the street if you want to find a job, free advice from me.
Brayden Stewart
I'd echo this, but I would ascribe some good intentions to the rank-and-file liberals, coming from their unawareness of the liberal leadership being Porky's lieutenants.
Isaiah Barnes
Is the 2016 thing supposed to represent both liberals and altists?
Angel Garcia
neoliberals and neocons are blowing each other as they pass bills
Evan Fisher
To be fair I don’t think it’s quite accurate to suggest that liberals always side with fascists. Some right liberals will if threatened by socialism, but others will actually show some principles and try to maintain liberal democracy against fascism (inb4 there’s no difference between fascism and bourgeois democracy, there very obviously is). FDR is a good example of a liberal who took a staunch stance against fascism, and even showed more genuine recognition of the positive role communism played in fighting it. The issue is more that they have no concept of what creates fascism and how to fight it.
Jackson Thompson
It depends, I am speaking as that someone that should not be named but I do believe there are some points that should be elevated:
-Most people care less about what is happening if it doesn't directly affect their ways of life, be it the Red or Black if you provide them with a decent life and a possibility for them to be happy in their families they will either support you or just mind their business, but be carefull as they will try to topple you if you are ever weak in the attempt to get more, that is what most people think about, just getting more, they might already have bread and an happy life but they want more, that is the thing that I hate about most people, they don't have a limit and they don't know what the hell they want.
The relation that petit-bourg have to their capital is the major justification for their reactionary sentiment
Oliver Phillips
Is it really bad to want more? Isn't that what average socialists, communists and even capitalists have in common? They expect more from society or a better lifestyle? Think about it user. If you were given $100,000 would you not take it? If not, something could be wrong with you because 99.9% of people (left, right, young, old, whatever skin color) would.
Christian Sanders
Having more is not the bad thing. Its how you get more that can make it bad. If you are getting more through robbery, lying, cheating, or other types of thuggery - that is bad.
Luke Lopez
user I guess you already understood what my position is, the thing is that people will want more and more but we can give so much, it is okay to want to live a normal life close to the people you love and able to partake in your activities but in the end if someone wants more and more it means that they can not be satisfied, it is utopian at best and I believe you marxists and anarchists understand such limits, there will be a end if we do not put a limit in ourselves but at the same time this limit should not come down from some iron fist but from the self-realization that we will be stopped by something worse if we do not stop.
Robert Wilson
This is oversimplifying. Czechoslovakia had an alliance with Soviet Union. A lot of smaller countries like Baltic's were bullied by the nazis into submission.
Czechoslovakia recognized the Soviet Union (USSR) de jure not until 1934. On May 16, 1935 the Czechoslovak-Soviet Treaty of Alliance was signed between the two states[1] as the consequence of Soviet alliance with France (which was Czechoslovakia's main ally). At the insistence of the Czechoslovak government, a protocol on the signing of the treaty stipulated that the treaty would go into force only if France gave assistance to the victim of aggression. However, France did not support Czechoslovakia in 1938, having signed the Munich agreement instead.
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Asher Sanchez
Blithering take, the most successful ideas spread by force
Good thing I am Nazi-Mao
James Turner
While that is true, I was talking in reference to the liberal idea of the "free marketplace of ideas". Not in general.
Nathan Sullivan
Liberals appeased fascists until fascists were physically impossible to appease. They would've kept going until their own piece of shit rose up.
Isaiah Robinson
That's why the Soviets were absolutely right in signing the non-aggression pact. The M-R pact was the USSR saying to the West "You've made your bed, now lie in it"