I get why poor people would support an ideology that give them free stuff, but if you are rich...

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because you're not looking for a genuine discussion, that's why.

It reduces them. Gotta protect the echo chamber or no one would visit, right?

genuous

I am okay materially, and I am a communist because I read Marx and Lenin. Communism isn't a matter of "believing" or "supporting" anything. It's about recognizing material reality. Even if I were a bourg what Marx wrote would still hold objectively true.

Anyway it's funny how no matter how this thread goes it will be inevitably screencapped and posted on Zig Forums as proof that commies are stoopid. If it turns out most people here are poor, we're just jealous and want gibs. If it turns out most people here are materially comfortable, it's proof that communism is for trust fund kiddies who are out of touch with the poor. Funny how that works.

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Marx didn't take into account demand.
The labor put in to a good nobody wants is worthless.
For instance if I put 3 hours into making a paper mache mini statue of garl marx its worth would still be $0

how do you know that? It's a genuine question. For poor people the discussion always boils down to: it's us vs. them, fuck rich people, fuck their rights, we do what's best for us.

so it was a genuine question, but since the thread has been bumplocked, I won't bother checking the thread again, good job protecting the echo chamber! Gotta keep the faith strong comrades.

But at no point did Marx claim the opposite.

yes you are totally here to argue in good faith that's why you posted nothing but a dumb strawman during the exact time that a bunch of other retards are shitting up the board

Ok, put me in the screencap.

Leaving aside the fact that there absolutely would be buyers for a paper mache statue of Marx, value =/= price.

When there's shit on your doorstep you hose it off because its shit, not because its triggered you something fierce.
And its neat of you to admit that you don't actually care about getting an answer, just about feeling good about how you totally triggered a bunch of lefties epicc style

According karl marx he said capital=means of production+labor
He gave an example of linen being transformed into a shirt
He said 1 linen+labor=shirt
So shirt=labor*2
But he didn't take into account the demand for the shirt

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Y'all niggas stop replying this is some autistic raid by the same people that were doing it yesterday. Literal 15 year olds from Discord

You're asking, "What is Socialism, and what it really means?"
It's equal rights for every man, regardless of his strength
So don't let no one fool you, (Joshua said)
Listen as I tell you, (Joshua said)
No man are better than none,
Socialism is love between man and man

Socialism is love for your brothers,
Socialism is linking hearts and hands,
Would you believe me?
Poverty and hunger what we are fighting

Socialism is sharing with your sisters,
Socialism is people pulling together,
Would you believe me?
Love and togetherness, that's what it means

Mr Big trembling in his shoes saying he's got a lot to lose,
Don't want to hear about suffering at all
(Joshua said)
One man have too many, while too many have too little,
Socialism don't stand for that, don't stand for that at all

Socialism is love for your brothers,
Socialism is linking hearts and hands,
Poverty and hunger is what we are fighting

Socialism is sharing with your sisters,
Socialism is people pulling together,
Would you believe me?
Love and togetherness, that's what it means

Socialism is love for your brothers,
Socialism is linking hearts and hands,
Poverty and hunger is what we are fighting

And how does demand factor into anything in that example?

Socialism is sharing with your sisters,
Do you believe me?
People pulling together
Ooooh
Love and togetherness, that's what it means

Socialism is love for your brothers,
Socialism is linking hearts and hands,
Poverty and hunger is what we are fighting

Socialism is sharing with your sisters,
Socialism is people pulling together,
Ooooh

If nobody wants the shirt the value of the shirt is=labor*0

So if there is no demand for a shirt I can instantly produce infinite shirts out of thin air?

But demand doesn't factor into your example at all.
Also how does the need for labour to turn linen into a shirt mean that 'labour*2 = shirt'. You seem to have a very poor comprehension of marx since you've given an internally inconsistent example that is also irrelevant to what you're complaining about.

I'm saying its a poor way of gauging value.
There many shirts in the market and they're all made out of linen but they have different values depending on the demand for said shirts.

But your example doesn't demonstrate that, you claimed that Marx didn't account for demand and thought that as long as you put labour into something it has value, this is something Marx never claimed, when this was pointed out you gave an example which didn't mention value or demand at all and also had some inexplicable assertions.
Its pretty clear you don't actually know what the labour theory of value states. I recommend briefly reading up on it.

Price is not value.

Prices oscillate around values according to supply and demand, you mongoloid.

Also, Marx was examining the production of socially necessary commodities inside a market, and how the economic laws and social relations implicit in that arrangement operate. Neoclassical economics damages your brain apparently, since you can only imagine these stupid scenarios of an individual person making individual things. What Marx is interested in are TENDENCIES. He isn't describing the political economy of making a sandwich inside your house to eat. There are some contemporary works on domestic production however.

Marxism is bullshit, he thinks that the only struggle in this world is the class. He thinks that we humans are intelligent machines that deserved not to be bamboozled by Capitalists. Well, that's not the case in reality. We humans are so intelligent and we are not just "workers", every individual has its own ideals and wisdom. In Marxism, you are just a producing human. Marx was right about the class struggle, but he thinks that the workers should get special treatment. For me, class should exist but Capitalism should be changed.

Communism is basically all about managing the productive side of human life in the best way, so we have more free time for self-actualization. It's precisely a movement that wants to limit the impact exploitation holds over interpersonal relations.

It's been changing constantly, generally for the worse unless directly threatened by communist revolutions and union uprisings.

I’m not even going to validate this with a response.

socialism is when free stuff

capitalism is when pay stuff

fascism is when uh

-Karl Marx, "The Poverty of Philosophy", Chapter 1