Redpill me about the migrant crisis and the fact that the left failed...

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What does this even mean

In order to keep the Rate of Profit up the Capitalists are gonna use the State in order to keep dropping bombs, not doing anything about Climate Change, and etc. This is gonna make life in Third World places shit and will cause them to be so desperate that they will bootlick their masters, and Capitalists are gonna keep them Reactionary in order to control them. The End Result of this is 99% of the Planet being unlivable and only 1% (North America, Europe, Russia, Manchuria, and Japan) being livable. Class is gonna become more of a divide so much that Proles and Boug might start becoming separate species.

Unless we take action, the only other alternative is Fascism.The Neo-Fascists have been waiting and know about how shitty things are and how Capitalism is gonna collapse. HOWEVER, they will only show themselves if we haven't yet taken the stage. If you don't want Neo-Feudalism or Fascism you need to be an Actual Leftist and SMASH THE STATE

Im 100% for arming the masses but the people in these regions are highly superstitious and uneducated.
They would be much more interested in what their local witchdoctor has to say than our attempts to educate them about class warfare.

Have their witchdoctor teach them about class warfare. Easy.

Sadly they are a law unto themselves.
The witchdoctor might say that the capitalist elites are good and the tribe should do what they say.

He's either falseflagging or having that phase of extremely vulgar anarchism where they have to spout the phrase "smash the state" every 2 seconds. Please forgive me for these retards.

This is nonsensical and I already explained this in
It's not like uplifting people out of backwards lifestyles and mentalities is that hard when it's been done countless times. People like Kropotkin and Marx merely suggested it, but people like Lenin and Ataturk (I know he wasn't a socialist) put it into a practice and did a damn good job at it.

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Some people just seem to fight any attempt at being uplifted with their own stupidity.

Ataturk is a good example of what I mean. His reforms uplifted Jews and Christians in Turkey. Where as the Muslim majority romanticized the ways and customs of the old caliphate.
That ultimately increased division in the country as the education gap between non muslims and muslims grew.

Marx himself talks about smashing the state. Read the Civil War in France. Lenin says the same thing. Allende didn’t smash the bourgeois state and look what happened to him

It's because Ataturk still belongs to the class of highly respectable bourgeois revolutionaries, but not a socialist. You must have very little faith (pun intended) in socialism if you think it's unable to bring secularism to places suffering from tribalism and fundamentalism. Capitalist restoration has brought back religious fundamentalism in former soviet countries, but it's relatively tame compared to what it was before the USSR, and Enver Hoxha's work in ending Albania's tribal society is irreversible. If you conveniently ignore these real gains cause you're anal about muslims try Zig Forums.
I can easily imagine a union of African socialist republics arising, and within a couple decades people will have a more secular outlook than burgers.

I'm not an idiot, I know this already, but that poster is still making an ass out of himself. But I have my doubts about Allende failing because he didn't dismantle the Chilean state.

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That’s surely not the only reason, but it was definitely harmful in the long-run for Allende to agree that the Chilean military would be the only and exclusive public force, not to arm the people and that popular organizations would not be able to exercise powers which belong to the authority of the state. However if he didn’t agree to the guarantees it would be more likely he wouldn’t have made it into office at all. Easier said than done

My faith in socialism is tempered by the groups of people we are talking about.

Ironically, in Africa the only time secularism has increased was under European Imperialism. When given their indepdence they become religious not just in peoples personal beliefs but in the way they structure their governments.

I don't think that's the right way to think about it. The Islamists in the early 20th century believed the only time the Muslim world was scientifically innovative was when Islam ruled. In the early 20th century they thought the clerics had so formalized Islam that it had become stagnant – the clerics would just write papers analyzing religious texts and then writing papers about papers; like French post-structuralism where it just eats itself. The Islamists then characterized Islam as a religion of reason and science and progress and all of this. And nationalism lost its luster since national identities and borders are more arbitrary in the Middle East with exceptions like Turkey and Egypt.

Honestly though I don't know much about all of that stuff because it's so complicated. But Iran has this quasi-socialist economy or at least it seems that way. It's very interesting. The Wahhabists have their own ultra-reactionary version.

I like to think I take a more pragmatic view. The Soviet Union even allowed for a degree of pragmatism here with even Sharia courts operating alongside Soviet ones: socialistreview.org.uk/280/bolsheviks-and-islam-religious-rights

But I think Islamism outcompeted secular socialism, unfortunately but that's the way the cookie crumbles. Islam kind of serves as a big leveler, like how during the pilgrimage to Mecca everyone wears the same clothes. There is disgusting levels of inequality considering the Saudis actually own the place, so that is a contradiction.

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They followed taqleed. Which is a school of thought that claims all of the secrets of science and nature could be found in the Quran. Which was the big problem.
Muslims buried their heads in the quran while Jews and Christfags were sticking their heads in science and math books.
Its not really surprising that the Jews and Christians started to outcompete them and caused a lot of friction.

I think Islam's economic system is a mixture of pure Capitalism and pure Socialism.

Liberals failed. The Western status quo is shared between different flavors of neoliberalism.
The leftist solution to the crisis would be to stop making more refugees by exploiting and/or blowing up the third world for profit. Populists don't seem to understand that capitalism is the only reason they flood here to begin with.

Sounds like the usual "socialism is good as long as everyone is Aryan" argument, but I won't press it.
You're looking at it from the wrong angle. Islamic reactionaries frequently gained popularity in now-Islamic countries because they were seen as a force of resistance against Western imperialism.

Where do you people get the courage to post this drivel?

I wasnt referring to islam. I was referring to the dramatic shift back towards tribal beliefs and customs that african countries experienced when they became indepdendent.
Apart from those educated in mission schools, Africans who were educated by Europeans during the colonial period were influenced by Western political ideologies and philosophies, including secularism, socialism and communism. And these largely Westernized African elites were at the forefront of the struggle against colonialism and the formation of postcolonial states.

But the ordinary African associated secularism with Europe and therefore colonialism.
So if they even wanted to make the constitution secular, it wouldnt have been accepted by the people.

From my post on Zig Forums:

I live near dallas to

Never forget that America and Europe created the migrant "crisis". They deserve all the pain that this causes them.

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My two questions about this hypothesis are 1.) how long is this going to take and 2.) is bringing tons of pretty radical on average Muslims into European countries gonna end up being counterrevolutionary?

sure. It isn't like you need to organize housing for houndreds of thousands of people or something, so lets just smash the state

That is essentially the point. It sounds schmaltzy, but it is completely true that colonialism never really ended–much of the native African leadership are useful idiots and puppets for Western interests, they have been since they gained independence. Leftist governments were routinely crushed, usually by the burgers as part of their "domino theory" Cold War proxy bullshit.

The migrant "crisis" is massively overblown by rightists who blame all socieconomic problems on migrants for political cookie points. 90% of the "crisis" is pathological sadomasochistic fantasies of the right that aren't based on reality. For a leftist talking about the "migrant crisis" is like saying "yeah the jewish-reptilian masonic conspiracy exists, BUT…"

Anyway, what do socialists do about migration? Mostly just use it to build class consciousness, explain to proles how imperialism and capitalism are responsible and so on. I've said it before and will say it again, socialism is about abolishing the present order of things and not liberal "issue-solving" where you go down a checklist of problems under capitalism and offer a nice and empty slogan about each.

geohistory.today/soviet-union-angola-history/

I remember reading a story from Soviet Military Advisors in what I believe was Angola (Angola was fighting Portuguese, South Africans, Angolan counter-revolutionaries you name it)
They had interpreters and would run the Angolans through a condensed weapons training - hand em an unloaded AK, teach them the basics of using it and other Soviet supplied weapons, teach them muzzle and trigger discipline, the works.
Then as soon as they handed them magazines loaded with ammunition in preparation for a little bit of live fire training an Angolan takes his AK off safe and full auto accidental/negligent discharges into the ground, barely missing the Soviet Advisors.
The Advisors said something to the effect of "It was like everything we taught them went in one ear and out the other, they retained none of the knowledge and the forces they trained were routinely slaughtered by professional military forces.

Another quidbit, from a Rhodesian, when they managed to capture a Soviet trained resistance fighter in their Bush War, they wondered why the AK's they found on Black Resistance Fighters always had their rear sights dialed up to the maximum settings (that's 1000m setting). They finally got this prisoner and asked him, and his response was akin to "So the gun will shoot harder"
These people were trained, by Soviets, to specifically use the sights and they were so entrenched in their ineducation and superstition that they became in-effective on the battlefield.

Unless we take action, the only other alternative is Fascism.The Neo-Fascists have been waiting and know about how shitty things are and how Capitalism is gonna collapse.

The problem is increasingly no one on the left understands them, they have a justification in regards to mass immigration that you can never have unless you begin to think tribalistically. We have a problem with Capitalism and debt based economics, they have the same problem, they believe Europeans are being subjected to a slow genocide, they can back up their claim with evidence, and they can rightfully point out that multicultural societies will inevitably implode - though they most commonly and falsely use Yugoslavia as an example

Thinking Tribalistically isn't political, it's as natural as breathing. People want to be with people who look like them and share a similar culture, and it's a crying shame that only a few Nazbol's understand this on the left.

If we don't address the alienation of peoples through mass immigration, we fucking lose.
The far right has a cassus belli against Capitalism that we will not have until we do.
Capitalists exploit foreign labor overseas, and import it to lower the value of the labor input of the economy (The labor input is households - laborers, families, workers, etc etc) and Capitalists would rather not have homogenous peoples with unique cultures and faiths, but inter-social competition and the us vs them mentality between peoples, and to mix peoples so they have nothing in common but the vastly devalued labor they can produce to perpetuate the capitalist system.

I wonder who could be behind this post…

All the ones Ive talked to seem to blame the Jews.
Where as most migrants (to Europe) are muslims. The sworn enemy of the Jews.

And yet you can point to Western and American foreign policy, esp. in regards to Syria, as being solely towards the long term benefit of Israel, in it's quest for a Greater Israel. So clearing out all that land of people and moving them to Europe so Israel can have it's massive fascist militaristic Greater Israel world state.
Any way you cut it Jews seem to be at the top of the Capitalist hierarchy, but that's ok
Keep blowing us Nazbols off

So Zig Forums is actually right in this instance?

Yeah I remember seeing this "migrant crime map" of Germany that that YouTuber Sargon was also promoting. And he said "there are crimes everywhere!" and it certainly looked like that while zoomed out, but zooming in there would be one crime per city practically, and they were things like "car burglary." And this was one crime in a city of 100,000 somewhere in the Ruhr area.

I live in the U.S. in a small city of a similar size and that happens every day. There are guys who sometimes shoot their guns into the air in the parking lot of the sports bar down the street at 2:00 in the morning and then take off. And this isn't even bad or the hood or whatever. I'm not a tough guy dodging bullets or anything. What a bunch of babbies.

lmao sure

you need to work on your falseflags laddie

Not quite. The point of the Jewish conspiracy is to serve as an omniscient, omnipresent antagonist that justifies anything they think or say. It does not matter whether it is actually true, only whether it is desirable to believe.

No because they point to Jews as being the sole masters of Capitalism, the reality is some people are legitimate psychopaths and naturally do well in a capitalist system but Jews are in very large number at the top. Jews have cultural, tribalistic, inverse group thinking, and this can actually be explained to their Jewish Supremacist ideals originating from the Talmud. Jews use group dynamics and nepotism to climb the ranks in Capitalist hierarchies, and the fact that they culturally see non-Jews as "Lessers" means they can psychologically justify committing the worst excesses of Capitalism

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A plurality of the worst capitalists in history have been Jewish

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They've been Western European or American.

Of Jewish descent

All religions are bad, we can't sit back or pick and choose, Judaism literally has a book that preaches to Jews how to cheat non-Jews, how non-jews are cattle meant to be slaves, it sets Jews up for superiority complexes and puts them in a perfect position to push Capitalism and debt based economics. I mean I could go on but the Talmud makes the Quran look like a fucking children's book.

Marx and Engels were Western European, that's not really saying alot

Or maybe the Jews are just standing in the way of a workers revolution

What about your infographics about the jews in Russian and German revolutions, then?

This does not justify antisemitism, you mong, people are not their religions.

Hmm. Perhaps the same could be said about communism and socialism.
Could we have been much more successful if our movement wasnt dominated by Jews?

Look… Dont get me wrong. Im no anti semite. I fully support Israel 100%.
But there is some truth to some of the stuff about Jews outside Israel.

You are very much on the wrong board, user.

This is what happens when you don't do your research before falseflagging, kids

I got banned from Zig Forums already.

Im not just gonna sit around and be called anti semitic when I probably support Israel more than half the people ITT.

Religion is bad, period.
You should be against any organized religion

Yes, and so what exactly, Jews were a part, but many/most of them abandoned their faith anyway

Israel is a Capitalistic Fascist Zionist state, if Jews want to practice their backwards religion they can fuck off back there, as it stands now Jews outside of Israel uphold centralized banking, debt based market capitalism. Their religion cannot be tolerated in the same way Christianity or Islam can be tolerated

*can not be tolerated

This is like saying Christians support American imperialism.

Leftists don't support Israel, Zig Forums. It's another completely schizophrenic idea that you've memed into your heads, but in reality even milquetoast keffiyeh-wearing coffeeshop liberals are critical of Israel. The vast majority of support for Israel in Western politics comes from right-wingers.

Nothing

Mass immigration to the west has been a common trend in the third world for about half a century. The recent excuses used to justify it are just that, excuses. The vast majority of third world migrants are not from current or even former warzones.

America has turned Latin America and the MENA region into permanent war zones. This is a basic fact. Deal with it.

There is a difference between being critical and thinking a country shouldn't exist and basing all your opinions about said country on that notion

Of course you do.
Fashies and protofashie liberals LOVE Israel, and sometimes even hate Jews at the same time.

Obviously not the point of what he said, namely that EVEN liberals manage to be at least somewhat critical of Israel and that it's only "hardcore" rightists that uncritically support it.

wdhmbt?

Pretty much. Supporting Palestine has been the rallying sign for anyone even vaguely left-leaning in the last decades, but Zig Forums has brainfucked themselves so hard they literally believe that the left loves Israel. Because everything they don't like = leftist and cultural marxist. Nevermind that neocons, Christian dominionists and Trumpista civnats are the ones who overwhelmingly support Israel. Hell even Zig Forums tends to believe in pro-Israel propaganda like "the only civilized country in the middle east defending itself from barbarian hordes" they just ascribe it to jewish conspiracy.

The "Migrant Crisis" is just the intentional importation of millions of soldiers for the reserve army of labor in order to keep the economy turning and in turn facilitate the expansion of capital as the domestic population no longer cares about the Natalism spook

Literally implement socialism
Without capitalism the need to import a reserve army of labor is neutuered