Russian parliament admits guilt over Polish massacre

theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/26/russian-parliament-guilt-katyn-massacre

I'm lead to believe the Katyn massascre was set up by the Germans to make the Soviets look bad, but does this fact, that Russia "admitted" to it, prove that Soviets did in fact do it? Who did the Katyn massacre?

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Katyn massascre will always be used to make socialism look bad, but it ultimately doesn't matter. Yes, mass killings of people are terrible and whoever do such immoral thing should be punished, but they are all dead by now, no matter who killed them.

faked documents
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from what I can tell, the NKVD carried it out with german made lower caliber pistols. Iirc the origin of the ammunition used is what Furrtard ☭TANKIE☭s sieze onto, but it has been well established that the corresponding arms were exported to the the soviet union during this period, so it isn't the smoking gun they purport it to be. (pun very much intended).

nobody says that, it's just a really lazy attempt at dismissing every argument by getting a raging boner over something we call indication
so really it's more an issue for fags like you than people that just look at the "documents"

So what's up with Russia "admitting" this? To forge new relations with Poland while conveniently attributing its past actions to a previous regime?


Source on the entire statement? Also the video posted earlier kind of casts heavy suspicion on the whole affair, doesn't it?

smearing communism
i read an article years ago, that mentioned the german bullets, but also the german pattern of the same type of crime in the region, also apparently handcuffs were used and found that germans produced
but i guess the germans on their retreat had nothing better to do than supplying the SU with those things needed to stage a massacre, such as the germans committed everywhere else, find the bodies as they are retreating and just conveniently need to cause a rift between allied forces, SU and poles, because they just happen to dig up mass graves that very moment, something rather uncharacteristic for the usually alleged crimes when it comes to soviets
but yes, it's all waterproof now because a party that didnt exist at that time put a stamp on "documents"
case closed

A bunch of bluebloods bit the dust so it doesn't matter who did it.

This. Who cares, even if it's true?

just one question:
why'd the NKVD do it with german weapons at that time?
care to refute this mention and dismissal of your "point" right here?
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The Soviet obviously did it and it was a good thing. Best thing they did in Poland. Literally every single one of them deserved it.

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Both the Soviets and the Nazis shot Polish officers at different times and for different reasons, and they deserved it either way.

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>There is a serious historical question about the Katyn killings, and killings of Polish officers generally. There's good evidence that both the Soviets and, later, the Germans, killed Polish officers, for very different reasons.

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SOVIET JUSTICE

Being parliamentary libs, the Polish POWs deserved it anyways, whether the NutSacs or Soviets killed them

So there had to be former trials for each of them, right?

Why do Poles get so angry that the Soviets did what their own soldiers were too cowardly to do?

Not "Russia", but anti-Communist government. And they did it ages ago. And doing it almost every year now, just to reinforce the "Communism BAD".


Why? Germans habitually made mass executions, while Soviets used deportations. What makes Katyn an exception?

Sources, please.

Wow it's almost as if the Communists in Russia are some of Putin's only serious opposition and he has a direct interest in making them look bad.

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They're Dengist though.


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At least under CPRF they probably wouldn't be as bad as Chinese though since they'd still have health care.

the eternal dengoid STRIKES AGAIN

I know that thinking this way is reactionary but with Poland it is unironically true. There are about 10 leftists there, everyone else deserves gulag

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Poland right now is super based and redpilled. I support the Christian Social Democracy that Law and Justice is implementing and I hope all fellow leftists stand with them against neoliberal EU imperialism.

I want to support it, but I have little knowledge of actual business Poland is doing with EU. From what I know majority of Poles are pro EU, but against refugees.

Dengism is flexible and unlike gorbachevism actually works. Still KPRF is mixed bag with different people with different views.

This admission of guilt is way too late to be of interest to anyone except historians.

This might have been of political importance up until the 70's or 80's, but now it is just a footnote in history.

Even Rosa thought Poland was a mistake.

That's why it's for me to support the current government. They just play into the fear of refugees while not actually changing anything to keep polish workers from leaving.

Fun fact: Engels also hated Poland (though later in his life he changed his views)

Not even a ☭TANKIE☭, but why is the Katyn massacre even used as a point against the Soviet Union? Everything about it seems like standard fare for an occupation, eliminate former leaders who might be disruptive to your new rule.

It's one of the very few Soviet gorillions for which there exists ANY evidence AT ALL, so they milk it for what it's worth

Gotta show that Commies are just as bad as the Nazis, and they were victims of soviet imperialism n kurwa.

Not gonna lie, but I actually wish the USSR was Full On Nazi and genocided everyone who was Reactionary same as how I wish the Holocaust succeeded so Israel wouldn't exist and cause the growth of Neo-Fascism.

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and by genocide I don't mean KILL THEM ALL, but the complete destruction of their culture and etc so they wouldn't exist.

If the holocaust succeeded the USSR wouldn't be around. Sorry to say Mr. Nazbol.

Nazbol please go

Marx was pro-Poland so how did that work out?

I think it's hilarious that - independent from the question whether or not the Soviets did it - is that anarchists and ultraleftist go through lengths these days to defend the honor of a bunch of ultra-reactionary Polish officer corps. Victims of communism

My point still stands

Do you have any idea the chances this random NKVD battalion had some of these relatively tiny pool of weapons within the massive arsenal in the USS?

Marx was against Prussian, Austrian and Russian imperialism which has split Poland in the 18th century. In Marx's days, it was a progressive/revolutionary talking point when you advocated for a Polish state, Napoleon was using that platform already to have a justification to go further East.

However, I think we can today argue that Poland-Lithuania was itself a massively imperialist power, with an ultra-reactionary noble caste who would practice colonialism in Ukraine and try to conquer Russia, and modern Poland was a proto-fascist antisemitic hellhole. This is why Zig Forums is in quite a dilemma, they struggle between
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I really want to have a source for the export of bullets, because you don't seem to have read Furr. He says that the bullets were made in German occupied Poland, are you suggesting that Germany and the USSR traded weapons between 1939 and 1941? I've never ever came across such a thing, and I had to study German-Soviet relations from 1917 to 1945 in university.

Poland in the 20th century has been nothing but a disappointment.
Truly a despicable nation

And it was all because of one opportunist…

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Did nothing wrong

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