What percent of the left do you think is against idpol as of now?

What percent of the left do you think is against idpol as of now?
This includes people like Slavoj Zizek and all the Zig Forums users, and I'm sure several other leftists who were disillusioned by OWS. Do you think it's small, like 1-2%? Or is it greater than an order order of magnitude like 1/10th, 1/5th, or 1/3rd?
To be clear, I'm talking about the whole group of self-identifying leftists, whether you agree with them or not. So it's not "100%".

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Near zero, there's only confused liberals and the eternal blight of idealist "socialists" to deal with.

TBH, it's kind of sad these are the only ones who are this vocal. Zizek may say something insightful every once in a while but mostly he's a terrible philosopher. Hardcore intellectuals with a huge amount of Marxist credibility would be much better but I can't think of any. Even Badiou falls into idpol every so often (i.e. sometimes he comes off as pandering to Muslims, which is somewhat understandable given the material conditions in France, but in practice it's a clusterfuck and unmaterialist as hell).

in the west, probably the minority but i imagine there is a growing sentiment. the faction that gets called "berniebros" or "dirtbag left" possibly, a few corbynites and melenchon voters maybe. i'd estimate maybe like 20%.

in ex eastern bloc countries, i imagine the vast majority

mind elaborating? I think a lot of his work appears to be quite insightful. he has a pretty good understanding of human consciousness.

can we stop with this meme already? it's 2018, the sjw fad has passed.

Yes, but there's a whole other problem of nationalist thinking with self-proclaimed communists talking about "fatherland," "traditional religion" and "traditional family values."

very true, should have offered that disclaimer that they are veering into nationalist territory often times

it literally hasn't, fag. it just seems that way because it's reached synthesis.

Idpol is a problem and should be taken seriously, but honestly most political parties identifying as Marxist or anti-capitalist are still anti-identitarian. There's a tendency on Zig Forums to see any explicit rejection of racism, sexism or homophobia (or any political statement that's not directly and clearly connected to the class struggle) as an expression of "idpol", which probably is a result from the majority of people on here never having been involved in an actual leftist party and constructing a false strawman of the modern Left due to lack of experience. It's obnoxious how many users here unironically think Zig Forums is the last space of the TRUE anti-identitarian left, while supposedly every single real-life leftist party has been wasted by idpol.

Sounds BASED

where do I sign up?

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all politics is identity politics

Projecting


If you're retarded enough, become a Russian citizen and join Communist Party of Russian Federation

more active than you famalam
Seriously though the standards many people here hold communist parties up to reflects a complete unawareness of tactical acting to say the least

There is a resurgence.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Shut the fuck up wrecker.
It started here.
Everything you would get your stupid liberal hands on, yes.

Just fuck off you retarded reddit Democrat Americunt. Nobody believes your stupid self was involved in leftism before Trump was elected you stupid little bitch.

wrong.
You think Zig Forums has some kind of bearing on real life politics? I genuinely want to know if you really believe this, it's fascinating.

good arguments

that's a cute narrative your pushing. no, these parties literally use shit like the progressive stack and voting for neoliberals just because they're women. it's complete controlled opposition and it's obvious.
I'm not against anti-racism, I'm against patchwork.

I'm curious what "these parties" are. If you're talking about some liberal or opportunist socdem party we probably don't disagree, but idpol is far from being as omnipresent in consistently socialist parties as leftypol thinks.

Working Families party was in my state and they used to care only about workers rights and were leftist as fuck. It's been completely co-opted by feminists and now they nominate anyone who was a vagina and can recite black poetry. It's depressing.

not a socialist party anymore then

imagine being this absolutist

we have them too and they just endorse neoliberals in the end

If they don't reject capitalism it's hard to call it a socialist party.

Imagine actually believing this
If you actually think that irl communist parties give a shit about Zig Forums your delusional

literal death sentence

but kampuchea user, meatspace communist parties are mostly irrelevant nobodies themselves

I think Zizek falls into the trap of philosophers explaining their philosophy in a way harder than it needs to be, this problem is also probably exacerbated by the fact that he's not a native english speaker. I'm not calling for anti-intellectualism when I say this, but philosophy, and propaganda, needs to be able to reach the lowest common denominator as much as possible; you either explain the message in a way that's easy to understand or they won't get it at all. And with the population slowly having their education reduced as much as possible thanks to porky, now is not the time to be using an entire page filled with esoteric terms when more conventional synonyms exist and for something you could've explained with a few sentences and a simile to get your idea across.

I tend to treat logic as a mathematical system (which is basically is, and with syllogisms, etc.) because you can reduce your point to a few propositions/examples and then explain fallacies this way, and give examples of those fallacies in a similar manner so they can be recognizable as universally applicable ragardless of situation.

Violence was my favorite book btw.

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We have a thread related somewhat to this already . Unfortunately a lot of the most adamant anti-idpol leftists like Fisher are dead now.

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What people don't realize is that the more left wing a Democrat candidate was in the midterms, the better they did. There are a lot more Democrats just like Jimmy Dore who are just barely smart enough to know what's wrong, and their numbers are growing as they continue to piss off the left. Even California is embarrassed by their hollow candidates.
Just take any movement that doesn't label itself communist and it's slowly getting easier for them to fight the marketing. For example pic related has nearly 1 million in revenue.

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He's kind of a red herring. He styles himself as Hegelian but really his "Hegelianism" is quite heretical. He's much more of a slick Lacanian.

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why do these people always have these over the top excessively expressive faces

wew

I don't know what idpol is so I'm inherently against it.

I think a lot of people ended up here around that time. I started surfing her a bit before trump, but maybe around the Bernie run and a bit before. I was never seriously interested till things started coming to a head.

I'm a noobie and I hold that I started getting into socialism around trump as a secret shame, but if anyone else feels like that I think that's silly. If your heart is truly in for the liberation of the working class then you're in the right place. Keep reading, keep learning (and that goes for me too)

If we count all commie parties around the world, about 80-90%. This number would be higher without USA and a few european countries.

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Why does she look like someone from a circus, with the uniform and everything?

they've all pretty much been converted to Jimmy-Dorism at this point

kuka on Jimmy Dore ? en oo yhdysvaltain asukas

he's a "Progressive" comedian youtube-caster but is really a communist trying to hide his power level.
he can't go more than a dozen videos without suggesting the Proles revolt in some form.

Oh okei, thank you for the explanation. I just watched a few videos and it's really interesting seeing someone in the US speak in such terms.

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Any serious "leftist" (a useless fucking term) is anti-idpol insofar as they don't let the antics of rich-kid wreckers get in the way of class politics. Idpol is only ever an issue in the absence of a real socialist movement and it is rapidly becoming irrelevant to anyone who isn't an always-online burger. This is a stupid thread.

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