How do stalinists defend the Great Purge? Do they believe they were all lies...

The purge was holy.
Getting rid of a bunch of freemasons and jasuits saved Russia.

Stalin literally signed the papers and insisted on documentation

Stalin dindu nuffin but i wish he did and we should do it again

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So? Do you really think Stalin read 1000's of names individually? During the run up to WW2, all countries has fascists and nazi agents working inside the country and tried to combat it. The USA did the same thing with the Unamerican Activities Act. Stalin allowed the NKVD to deal with the fascist situation while the CCP focused on economic and social matters. However, Yagoda and later Yezhov took the opportunity to run the NKVD like a mini-state without Stalin knowing, with them accusing people of fascism, confiscating their property and then dividing it among themselves. This coupled with the widespread paranoia about fascism lead to the Great Purge. Stalin signed the papers because they needed his authority to process the "criminals", and so he signed, thinking the NKVD were acting in good faith.

Eventually though, he got suspicious of the high numbers and put Beria in charge of investigating Yezhov. Yezhov's crimes were discovered, he was executed and the thousands of prisoners and exiled party members were released and most allowed back into the party.

This.

You know, I tried to respond to this, but I don't have the means to do so. Try to right yourself with these.
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I don't think these guys have reached the correct conclusion here, and I don't know what to say to you about this. Everything I think to say seems overwhelmingly arrogant and underdeveloped, which sucks because it also seems like I have the truth to tell you as well.
I mean, a lot of people died in the purges. A lot of people die because of Capitalism. A lot of people die. I really, really can't wrap my head around a great take on this. It is just so gigantic; I can't do my need for consistency justice here.
Maybe the idea that we can justify a singular event is flawed drom the beginning. Or that we could justify the actions of thousands of men under one umbrella.
The only thing I am certain of here is that Engels knew what he was talking about and you should deeply consider it when you think about "the Great Purge".

Purges themselves were necessary. The danger posed by political opponents (mostly Trotskyists) and the corruption exhibited by many party officials was a real thing and was out of hand and needed to be stopped. There were excesses, yes, but these excesses were the fault of Nikolai Yezhov. Stalin purged Yezhov for his crimes and brought in Beria to clean up the mess. Beria began releasing thousands of people falsely arrested by Yezhov and reformed the NKVD.

Good post.

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With our love of omelettes.

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smells an awful lot like two fall guys and tying up loose ends. Have you never seen any gangster movie ever? to be clear i think Joe was an okay guy but c'mon the guy started out robbing banks

just out of interest, i've never actually heard of a fascist movement in Russia pre revolution, seems like all the reaction was tied up in pro Tsar stuff, I'm not denying existence I'm asking to learn, was there an overt/explicit fascist presence?

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Imagine actually believing this. Obviously repression of counter-revs is a good thing, but you have to be delusional to think that the purges didn’t kill plenty of committed communists.

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This is the thing you need to understand. Stalin realized that rapid industrialization was a matter of life or death. He didn't have time to fuck around with Bukharin and Trotsky's shitty ideas, the USSR had to industrialize as fast as possible to defend itself from foreign invades.

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kek

your mum's

c'mon. First, robbing banks is cool and you're a lamo, second, they robbed banks to fund the weapons for the bolsheviks. That's double cool and you're a double lamo.

He did have time to help nazies with their tank designs, training of their tank core and sharing resources even helping them to build some of their first tanks.

I can conceive of a large middle ground between implementing buhkarin's ideas and killing him

lol
did you also watch the netflix series on the history of the tank

I know its cool. I know it was for the Bolsheviks. The point is, Stalin was highly capable of cool stuff like having underlings do his dirty work and take the fall for it.

The term fascism had not been created yet, but the Whites fit the description. They hated Jews, regularly slaughtered and burned tons of innocents, wanted a dictatorship, were heavily nationalistic, etc. This is an example of some of their propaganda.

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this is next level ☭TANKIE☭

What else were they supposed to do? Stalin needed help modernizing the Red Army and needed to keep Germany friendly until the USSR could defend itself. The British and French declined Stalin's offer of an anti-German alliance and just gave into Hitler's demands. Thus, they needed to keep good relations with Germany until they could properly arm and defend themselves.

training and arming nazi germany was just accelerating the dialectic

lmao at this whataboutism. where did I imply that.

You're saying that Stalin was bad for executing Bukharin, and I say that Bukharin was engaged in conspiracy to overthrow the government of the Soviet Union and introduce his shitty policies. Every country punishes people for treason.

also im pretty sure US el capitans of industry did a lot of Nazi funding also, including Prescott Bush Geroge W's grandpapa

Who fucking cares? This board also is filled with committed communists who deserve to be shot regardless.

Yes. But soviets did the same thing with Germanys air forces too helping them to train their pilots in secrecy licensing air plain factories for them.

Not providing the means for Germany to conquer France regarding fuel supply and oil trade would have been a good start.

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This is indeed what he was charged with, but my understanding is that it was all fabricated.

The USSR needed the tech and machinery and with the hostility of the West towards the USSR, they decided to stay friendly with Germany as long as possible. Nobody expected the Germans to overrun France as quickly as they did.

Well it wasn't.

This is the extreme minority position, so you shoulder the burden of proof.

What technology? Germans shared absolutely nothing in terms of their own designs with the soviets to begin with. There would have not been German tank divisions or even air force in effective numbers by 1939 without soviet-german treaties in the first place due to training being non-exsistant in -35.

You've been on the internet too much

Tankies really are gravediggers of the revolution.

Rapid industrialization WAS one of Trotsky’s “shitty ideas”. Stalin basically copied that part of the Left Opposition’s platform and then took credit for it.

dumb ☭TANKIE☭ wipes out half the workers and starves the rest because some of the peasants had more cows, makes sense.

Ohhh at first I thought you were talking about Stalin, the dictator that performed ethnic cleansings and invaded all his neighbors?

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implying you are the revolution

Those poor kulaks who didn't want to give up their wage slaves, damn the soviets.

Bad post

literal retard you are

there was a need to purge counter revolutionaries, spies, exploiters, and fascist sympathizers that would destabilize the foundation of the USSR

OK Ben Shapiro this is real epic

not an argument

the more the anti-stalinists open their mouth, the more they expose themselves as the blackhundreds they are.

yeah but something tells me that those "counter revolutionaries, spies, exploiters, and fascist sympathizers" weren't the only ones killed in the purges, unless you are implying that the one million killed were all spies

The revolutionary is a doomed man. If you are not prepared to perhaps one day stand before the revolutionary tribunal and be wrongly accused, you shouldn't be a revolutionary in the first place.

You see it is possible to have an actually nuanced opinion on someone like Stalin
I can say that he was good at some things such as improving the USSR's economy stopping Facism in Europe and Asia etc while at the same time saying that some of his actions like the Purges the betrayal of Leninist-Democracy and the killing of Bukharin and Trotsky were bad

This is true. I am sorry and will meditate on my errors.

This.

shittiest take, mate

Explain?

That doesn’t mean that revolutionary tribunals that murder comrades on false charges are a good thing.

You reply to so many of my posts making these dumb comments.
Was there anything in my post that suggested that murdering comrades on false charges is good?

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possibly

What was Trotsky do that made it absolutely necessary to murder him? It just seems vindictive on the part of Stalin.

pls disregard my shitposting flag

Good post

That being said, Trotsky’s approach was more extreme than Stalin’s—that is until
Stalin wanted to go ahead on rapid industrialization. Then Trotsky did a complete 180 and started defending kulaks and private agriculture when he was the one who previously thought that grain must be confiscated at bayonet point from poor peasants a la war communism style.

And then executed Beria later.

He attempted to foment terrorism and counterrevolution in the Soviet Union. His communications with collaborators in the Soviet Union after his exile is on record. Trotsky did not just write angry angry missives for publication, he was still scheming behind the scenes.

iirc Beria was executed after Stalin’s death

He wouldn’t have done any of that shit if Stalin hadn’t destroyed Leninist democracy by banning the Left and Right Oppositions.