Leftybritpol - It's the end of the world as we know it edition

James Reed
James Reed

So here we are, days away from the vote on May's deal: it won't pass, but it seems nothing will. If another election happens then what? Labour has to fix this mess? We get a hung parliament with no real outcome? Seems Britain will be forever changed by this, these are the ends of days…

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newstatesman.com/2018/12/mark-drakeford-s-corbynite-rhetoric-will-soon-be-put-test-wales
twitter.com/philhornbyitv/status/1070678637542813697
economist.com/open-future/2018/12/06/the-antidote-to-civilisational-collapse
twitter.com/help_force
dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/foreign-office-funds-2m-infowars-13707574?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
labour.org.uk/press/emily-thornberry-responds-reported-government-funded-attacks-labour-party/
politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/100424/nigel-farage-mulls-new-pro-brexit-party-amid-ukip-chaos
twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1071718228202790917
integrityinitiative.net/articles/statement-russian-media-publication-hacked-ii-documents
twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1071825766797795330
twitter.com/inductivestep/status/1071837923211915266

Carter Roberts
Carter Roberts

shit deal
or no deal

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Jeremiah Ross
Jeremiah Ross

Recession inbound. Hard Brexit likely if this deal isn't passed. Election or not, there will be carnage soon, and the left had better be ready to direct the coming popular discontent, in stead of flailing as is happening in France.

Samuel Jenkins
Samuel Jenkins

The true meme timeline:

Government collapses, calls general election
Labour runs on supporting the People's Vote
People's vote is held, Remain wins.. but by less than Leave did initially
Everyone pissed, but we stay in the EU
Two months later the EU collapses due to Great Recession 2: Electric Boogaloo

Ian Hernandez
Ian Hernandez

Labour runs on supporting the People's Vote
Fucking kill yourself

Noah Evans
Noah Evans

Nah the proper banter heuristic is that the EU rejects a second referendum by not allowing an extension.

Carter Foster
Carter Foster

How do you know it won't pass though? (excuse me am dumb non-Angloid)

Henry Scott
Henry Scott

It wont pass and then there will be a hard brexit then comrade corbyn will be elected el presidente for life and abolish the monarchy

Parker Brown
Parker Brown

Because 92 tory MPs have said they'd vote for it, as has the supporting DUP. It is expected at best 6 Labour MPs will support it: May's kinda fucked.

Wyatt Cox
Wyatt Cox

will there be happenings in bonglands on the scale of gelits jaunes?

Levi Harris
Levi Harris

bongistanis are rarely politically active about anything.

Michael King
Michael King

northern ireland had the biggest happening in western europe since may 68 though

Matthew Nguyen
Matthew Nguyen

Northern Ireland
British

Leo Cox
Leo Cox

careful about that imperialism lad

Charles Thompson
Charles Thompson

Literally no one cares about your Balkan tier autistic screeching about muh appropriate names

Nolan Nguyen
Nolan Nguyen

We don't talk about Northern Ireland.

Aaron Richardson
Aaron Richardson

Nah, that's not how we work. Things are too tribal in this country.

Jason Smith
Jason Smith

It's not about 'appropriate names' you tard. NI is not part of Britain and it has very little in common with it.

Brayden Rodriguez
Brayden Rodriguez

to europeans you are just a bunch of english-speaking wankers who go to the pub and complain about the weather

Eli Evans
Eli Evans

It is not a part of Great Britain, but it is a part of Britain (nobody talks about the island when they say just Britain).

Isaiah Watson
Isaiah Watson

what is the difference between GB, britain and british isles?

Bentley Jones
Bentley Jones

British isles=geographical description of all the islands in the region
Britain= main land, Scotland, England and Wales I think
Great Britain= all of the UK including Northern Ireland

Easton Cox
Easton Cox

so are ireland and the faroe islands part of the british islands?

Nolan Johnson
Nolan Johnson

British Empire is a more accurate description.

Adrian Jenkins
Adrian Jenkins

Assuming this isn't a meme:
Great Britain is an island, containing England, Wales, and Scotland barring smaller neighbouring islands.
The British Isles are Great Britain, Ireland, and all their surrounding island.
Britain originally meant just Wales and England (see: Roman Province of Britannia) but means more colloquially the country of the UK. Like if you say someone is British they could be from Norn (unless they start singing come out ye black and tans then they'd be Irish).
Sorry lad, but you're wrong.

Jeremiah Jones
Jeremiah Jones

So how do we deal with a snap election, Com-lads?
Im kind of worried that if Labour win a snap election, that means they're going to get the blame when Brexit inevitably goes poorly.
What do we think?

Andrew Hernandez
Andrew Hernandez

Ireland yes, I think the Faroes are considering their own thing because even Shetland is out there and it has never been a part of any British state.

Jose Nguyen
Jose Nguyen

Is corbyn pro- or anti-eu? newb here

Christopher Smith
Christopher Smith

neutral

Justin King
Justin King

? what is that supposed to mean
i thought he was a politician

Carter Hughes
Carter Hughes

he was against joining the EU, but his current position is a but ambiguous tbh

Brandon Gray
Brandon Gray

I think they should try and force won and win it to get a brexit through. As Lenin said you can't sit on your arse and wait for perfect conditions to come around because they never will: you have to make the best of what you can.
OG anti-EU (he's a Benninite, he voted out in 1975 which puts him in a small minority), however he has to be practical with his party being so pro-EU. He is currently pushing that we should leave, but opposed May's deal. His precise brexit policy is v vague.

Brody Long
Brody Long

historically he's been publicly anti, he's almost certainly still privately anti but publicly he's walking a fine line where he has to insist he was pro-eu during the referendum, which he was, and now is both pro-brexit and pro-eu in order to assuage the remainers in the party.

Luis King
Luis King

what did I get wrong?

Brandon Roberts
Brandon Roberts

so what? whether or not Britain is in the EU has nothing to do with his agenda.

Colton Hill
Colton Hill

Great Britain is the island with Scotland, Wales, and NI, Britain is used as a collective for stuff in the UK

Matthew Ramirez
Matthew Ramirez

*England, Wales, and Scotland FUCK.

Nathaniel Phillips
Nathaniel Phillips

We can't nationalise the trains in the EU and fuck me if rail nationalisation is not the entire thing that makes him popular.

Cameron Thompson
Cameron Thompson

Before purging them, right?

Liam Perry
Liam Perry

Anti, but he keeps an ambiguous facade to try and lead liberals by the nose. Not sure how much good it does.

Wyatt Price
Wyatt Price

What do we think of the EU?

Cooper Wood
Cooper Wood

Regardless, Britain should not be a part of it: a continental system cannot work with the UK in it.

Gabriel Lopez
Gabriel Lopez

Reminder this is how the 2019 election will play out but with Brexit:
dailymotion.com/video/x2bdzi8
MANDATORY VIEWING ^

Membership: Will Jeremy answer a direct question?
Seumas Milne: If it's about the EU, I strongly advise you not to ask a direct question.
Membership: Why?
Seumas Milne: It might provoke a direct answer

Andrew Neil: When you campaign in the 2016 election, are you going to support my view that we should leave the EU or not, or not? Yes or no? Straight answer.
Jeremy Corbyn: Well, if you ask me for a straight answer, then I shall say that, as far as we can see, looking at it by and large, taking one thing with another in terms of the average of my opinions, then in the final analysis it is probably true to say, that at the end of the day, in general terms, you would probably find that, not to put too fine a point on it, there probably wasn't very much in it one way or the other. As far as one can see, at this stage.

Gavin Peterson
Gavin Peterson

Burger here, so I don't know shit, but it seems like leaving the EU would make it far easier for Corbyn to push anti-austerity measures

Michael Sanchez
Michael Sanchez

quality reference

Jace King
Jace King

Also man I rewatched A Very British Coup today: fuck me its good.

Jaxon Rodriguez
Jaxon Rodriguez

Nope, the EU is against nationalisation of industries and requires strict fiscal rules of its members.

Nolan Robinson
Nolan Robinson

reading comprehension

Ian Williams
Ian Williams

It's late mate give me a rest.

Zachary Robinson
Zachary Robinson

How likely is a hared Brexit?

Angel Flores
Angel Flores

May's deal is a pretty hard brexit tbh, I assume you mean a no deal?

Anthony Garcia
Anthony Garcia

Just call for a Border Poll already, you Imperialist cunts

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Thomas Johnson
Thomas Johnson

The British Isles are Great Britain, Ireland, and all their surrounding island.

Eat shit bitch

Henry Harris
Henry Harris

Ireland yes,

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Henry Roberts
Henry Roberts

British isles=geographical description of all the islands in the region

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Cameron Bennett
Cameron Bennett

I want NI reunited with Irealnd so idk what your talking about

Andrew Hill
Andrew Hill

To be destroyed.

Adam Murphy
Adam Murphy

May's deal is a pretty hard brexit tbh
Wtf are you talking about. Mays deal keeps EU rules that prevent large scale nationalization.

Aiden Evans
Aiden Evans

It’s just as much of an agent of capital as the nation states that preceded it.

Lincoln Myers
Lincoln Myers

What would centre labour do if he came out like that?

Juan Young
Juan Young

Most people don't want it though
Swim fein has the right to call it anytime but then don't cuz it's not probable at this time

Leo James
Leo James

Most people don't want it though
Incorrect
Swim fein has the right to call it anytime
Incorrect

I've heard enough outta you, Imperialist.

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Connor Hughes
Connor Hughes

Don't the republicans have the right to call a referendum under good Friday?

Benjamin Gutierrez
Benjamin Gutierrez

Only the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland has the power to call for a Border Poll

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Jayden Campbell
Jayden Campbell

Oh sorry my mistake famalam

Josiah Hill
Josiah Hill

due to Spain being butthurt about Gibraltar
Based Seumas.
Brief to the media and threaten to split for a few months before ultimately doing nothing.

Juan Sanchez
Juan Sanchez

The COCKshott linked this interestin piece

"The Left must connect with the dynamic energies created by movements of popular sovereignty, radical democracy, and class politics. It must recognise that constrained democracy is historically redundant or conceptually oxymoronic; democracy means the continual and restless striving for collective self-determination. It must recognise not only that the European Union is no friend of democracy, socialism or internationalism, or of labour against capital, but that it is not even serving the purpose of keeping the Right at bay. On the contrary, the Right, having little need of rupture from the European Union to pursue its nationalist political agenda – whether in Hungary or Poland, or Italy – remains inside the state of the Union, largely unperturbed by its bureaucratic apparatus and yet reaping the electoral rewards of Euroscepticism, capitalising on the discontent with neoliberalism. This scenario could well be repeated in the United Kingdom should there be a reversal of the Brexit referendum result."

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/12/04/prelude-to-a-lexit-manifesto-decoding-the-new-german-ideology/?fbclid=IwAR2yVq7AtSZ5-uDvlGZR9Yx1YOIfEFBfiDIfD9MOOReB4LvY-9kj7PWvN24

Thomas Sanders
Thomas Sanders

it's literally not a part of 'Britain' you fucking knob, Britain is a fucking island, which NI isn't on. Geography is not this difficult.

Aiden King
Aiden King

So there are reports that 20-30 Labour MPs might abstain on the deal which MIGHT allow it to pass…

Eli Green
Eli Green

Trying to organise a border poll with no Stormont
HAHAHA good joke.

Logan Foster
Logan Foster

About time someone stood up for the moped gang community tbqh

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Leo Russell
Leo Russell

newstatesman.com/2018/12/mark-drakeford-s-corbynite-rhetoric-will-soon-be-put-test-wales
A Pro-Corbyn, Momentum backed candidate just won the Welsh Leadership race.

Aiden Myers
Aiden Myers

twitter.com/philhornbyitv/status/1070678637542813697
What is going on…

Carson Perry
Carson Perry

With that and a claim that 20-30 Lab MPs may abstain on the vote: it is possible the deal may actually pass…

Camden Sullivan
Camden Sullivan

Somebody reset the "days without Lib Dems betraying their voters" sign.

Alexander Johnson
Alexander Johnson

There is an event unfolding.

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Camden Sanders
Camden Sanders

Mopeds can't handle Tactical Contact™.

Isaac Cox
Isaac Cox

Interesting thing is that this policy is actually really popular: has like 70% support. Voicing some opposition to it is reasonable, but honestly fuck the cunts.
CHECKED, JUSTICE WILL BE DELIVERED
Also I had to explain to my foreign GF what Hillsborough was and why there were "Don't buy the sun" stickers everywhere. It was actually quite difficult having not grown up with the context of what Hillsborough was…

Aaron Myers
Aaron Myers

He was a punk, she did ballet, what more can I say?

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Camden Hernandez
Camden Hernandez

20-30 MPs
Enough to make a difference in May's humiliating landslide defeat

Dylan Reed
Dylan Reed

So when we going to war with Spain lads?
Looking at my Burn Europe clock the Germans are nearly 40 years behind on physically ruining Europe, the French haven't done it in nearly 200 years, surely its our turn to have a go?

Levi Collins
Levi Collins

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Kayden Foster
Kayden Foster

Let's let Spain block extending A50. We can let them have a bash at destroying Europe/EU.

Caleb Howard
Caleb Howard

Are you guys proud of me yet? Death to anglos btw

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Grayson Gomez
Grayson Gomez

2742298
Can you post that on somewhere because that girl is hot as hell

Juan Edwards
Juan Edwards

I agree, what a stunning and brave woman!

Jaxson Anderson
Jaxson Anderson

do we /revolutionarydefeatism/ now?

Caleb Morris
Caleb Morris

So is the deal going to get blocked or will the eternal Blairite fuck everyone in the ass one last time

Hunter Allen
Hunter Allen

I'd say it's pretty likely it will fail, pretty sure the numbers don't stack up in May's favour at all. Best just waiting for this sort of thing though since there's not much you can do to impact it and politics is a bit of a wildcard nowadays.

Hudson Russell
Hudson Russell

anyone have the pic with lenin hidden behind a curtain or a big piece of cloth on which is a corbyn motto (or a momentum one)?

Michael Hughes
Michael Hughes

I know exactly what image you mean (It is a Corbyn for Leader) one, but I don't have it. I know an user does here.

Brayden Smith
Brayden Smith

HE'S SNEAKY

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Angel Thompson
Angel Thompson

das it mane

Lincoln Jenkins
Lincoln Jenkins

economist.com/open-future/2018/12/06/the-antidote-to-civilisational-collapse
Excellent Adam Curtis interview.

Mr Curtis: They may have been conned about some of the reasons to vote for Brexit, but that vote was still an expression of what they feel, which is a sort of anger. One of the most cowardly things I think is all these nice middle-class people I know who are going to become German citizens. You fucking cowards. If you really think this is wrong, why don’t you stay here and fight for what you think is good? Fuck off. You want to go and live in Germany? It’s a retreat. But they’re somehow so proud of it. It’s part of the pessimistic mood and nobody has managed to explain to me why the middle classes are so pessimistic. It was when someone showed me “The Handmaid’s Tale”…have you seen The Handmaid’s Tale”?

The Economist: I’m afraid not.

Mr Curtis: It’s gruesome. It’s absolute shit. You’ll probably love it because it gives you a dystopia. Somebody told me it’s peak dystopia. You can’t go further than this. It’s torture porn for the baby-boomer generation. Sorry, I’m off the point.

Chase Parker
Chase Parker

The Economist: You’ve also made lots of films about people who have tried to make the world a better place and who ended up making it worse by accident.

Mr Curtis: That’s no reason to stop.
Christ, Curtis is so consistently based

Nicholas Gonzalez
Nicholas Gonzalez

I think Curtis is right when he says he's a journalist and not a politician (or a theorist for that matter). He makes a lot of great observations and some… unique takes, but it's all very surface level, and that's kind of what I get from his films as well. I think the comparison with Jordan Peterson is very apt. They both talk about these issues that are very real and evoke feelings that resonate with a lot of people, but because they don't have a coherent theory behind these issues their conclusions are either banal or just off. Not to hate on him or anything, I like his films, but he's not the genius that some people think he is.
Also, slightly off topic
One element, which I think is under-discussed, is the one described by David Graeber, the anthropologist who exposed the idea that 40% of us believe our jobs either make no difference to the world or make it slightly worse.
This guy has made his entire career by basically copying Marx and writing his own shittier version. This is basically just Marx's theory of alienation, except Marx's theory is way more than just "my job is meaningless". Same thing with the debt book. I was reading the Origin of the Family, long time ago, and there is a passage where he talks about debt in the ancient world, makes a lot of the same points as Graeber, but he actually ties it together with the development of the family, the state, property, class, just a broader materialist analysis that's way more lucid and enlightening than Graeber's own shitty takes. You would think that after over a century of accumulated knowledge someone like Graeber would be able to come up with something better than Engel's talk about Polynesians and consanguinity, but no, our knowledge progresses and our takes keep getting worse.

Jackson Brooks
Jackson Brooks

Lamo, reports the People's Vote lot are trying to kill attempts to take Britain into the EEA. The counterrevolution devours its parents…

Samuel Williams
Samuel Williams

Remind me again why we make fun of yanks for being thin-skinned about 9/11 when scousers are *still* salty about less than 100 people dying almost 30 years ago?

Aiden Thompson
Aiden Thompson

Because porky, the bill, and the press barons didn't try to say 9/11 was the victims' faults.
Also fuck Maggie innit.

Luis Wood
Luis Wood

The scousers didn't deserve it

Nolan Hall
Nolan Hall

in addition to the reasons already given, few would be making fun of it if it was only new yorkers complaining. few people are insensitive to local people caring about local tragedies. the ridiculous thing is some guy in Alaska who hasn't so much as met anyone from New York going on about 9/11 when it's a more distant tragedy than the 1938 yellow river flood.

now for some post-9/11 kino, read these PDFs. (actually do it they're not the kind of literal novels normally posted, you'll be done in 10 minutes and you'll be thankful you did it.)
29th: Shock scientific survey proves that America really did have it coming. The results of a new study show that at the time of the 11 September attacks, America was unequivocally asking for it. American researchers at the highly respected Massachusetts Institute of Technology who collated the DNA profiles, conversational attitudes and facial disposition of more than 8,000 Americans are said to be 'devastated' by the results. Test supervisor Bill Porman said: 'I'm sorry to say but spend any time with these people and you start to think, sure, I'd do it, they're absolutely fucking insufferable.' Security Chief John Ashcroft is said to be demanding that, from now on, objective scientific research be classified as an act of terrorism.

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Charles Anderson
Charles Anderson

Armando Iannucci
I already know this is going to be fucking quality.

Nicholas King
Nicholas King

twitter.com/help_force
viscerally unsettled to have found out this is a thing

Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson

Can’t wait for Corbyn to become PM and abolish sp*urs.

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Gabriel Martin
Gabriel Martin

PRIME MINISTER CORBYN ATTACKS PROMINENT JEWISH CULTURAL INSTITUTION

Owen Diaz
Owen Diaz

dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/foreign-office-funds-2m-infowars-13707574?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
A secret UK Government-funded infowars unit based in Scotland sent out social media posts attacking Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party
Im not even surprised

Gabriel Brooks
Gabriel Brooks

Do you have more proof?

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Josiah Murphy
Josiah Murphy

Daily Record is pretty reliable and is the largest paper in Scotland.

Jace Baker
Jace Baker

labour.org.uk/press/emily-thornberry-responds-reported-government-funded-attacks-labour-party/ here is emily thornberry's response

Brody Williams
Brody Williams

Tbh this is the kind of thing you launch an inquiry into to fucking decimate a load of careers.

Nathan Lopez
Nathan Lopez

politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/100424/nigel-farage-mulls-new-pro-brexit-party-amid-ukip-chaos
Farage might set-up another Brexiteer party…

Levi Robinson
Levi Robinson

please, can he, that would be amazing.

Evan Foster
Evan Foster

Honestly, the funding exodus of UKIP from its MEPs is gonna cause some kekery. Like the SDP and Libertarian parties now get european funding since they have MEPs…

Blake Johnson
Blake Johnson

Also tbh lads: twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1071718228202790917
Might as well add your thoguhts in there.

Joseph Lopez
Joseph Lopez

Corbyn is my daddy and I wish him luck in his noble struggle against right-wingers!
Does he have a chance at becoming PM or will he be Palme'd?

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Alexander Gutierrez
Alexander Gutierrez

Irony is that I doubt he would serve a full term as PM because him gaining power, and handing the leadership to someone else while McDonnell keeps the Gosplan ticking would ensure long term survival of the project.
But honestly, he could be PM by wednesday.

Nolan Perry
Nolan Perry

integrityinitiative.net/articles/statement-russian-media-publication-hacked-ii-documents
They're not even denying it, just saying it's because of "MUH RUSSIAN HAX".

Nathaniel Watson
Nathaniel Watson

What a waste of taxpayer's money. Half the country does that for free.

USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST

Elijah Gutierrez
Elijah Gutierrez

Considering Guardian journos are already shilling the counter-line to this you're not wrong.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

Where? I can't see any mention of it on the Guardian's site (which is telling enough given how big a deal this potentially is).

Austin Hall
Austin Hall

twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1071825766797795330

Evan Kelly
Evan Kelly

To be fair it does seem like there was no party-political bias to the Russophobic hysteria they were churning out:
twitter.com/inductivestep/status/1071837923211915266

James Carter
James Carter

Can't wait till Corbyn gets in and gets coup'd by army elements and CIA-niggers so we can have English Revolution 2: electric boogaloo and fight for the people's parliament

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Nathaniel Howard
Nathaniel Howard

I honestly wouldn't know what to do in a coup situation, it doesn't bare thinking about…

Owen Anderson
Owen Anderson

Copy the French and trash the infrastructure.

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