I'm super far-right and know i need to change...

I'm super far-right and know i need to change, i see the wrongs of capitalism but enlighten me on the wrongs of nationalism.

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Nationalism in of itself is no inherent evil: but chauvinism, racism, and imperialism are. Pic related is a good start.

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this. it's just that Naitonalism in Germany was a corporate populist movement that seeks to put the landowning class back in power by appealing to racism. see night of the long knives and privatisierung

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You, say, as a German worker, have infinitely more in common with an Indian worker than with a German bourgeois. You and Pajeet wake up at 06:30, shove food down as fast as you can, shower, get on mass transit, punch the card, work 'till lunch brake, shove the food as fast as you can, work 'till the workday is over, back on mass transit, buy shitty processed/fast food back home, put on a movie, eat, sleep, start again.

Nationalism wants you to believe that you have more in common with a man who wakes up at noon, starts his day with a champagne and caviar, finishes eating by 2PM, browses his stocks for fifteen minutes, makes two phone calls, hops into his limousine and asks his personal driver to drive him to golf / to his yacht, finishes his day in a restaurant wherein a single course costs more than two months of your wages, then asks his clerk to make sure to remind him that tomorrow he should call his friend the media mogul to print an article about how the immigrants are ruining this country.

Nationalism achieves this by instilling stupid ass spooks into you like "national pride" (literally wut) "national sacrifice" (i.e. serving above mentioned ingrate) "muh family" (the socio-economic unit specific to class societies) "common history" (wars your ancestor workers had to fight to further the then ruling class' interests) and so on.

That's just fucking wrong.

You share language and culture with the german bourgeois.

Guess what? The same for the german bourgeois. This is what modern life is.

inb4 it's communism now

This is the fantasy you cook up in your mind, but nobody lives like this, not even the Koch Brothers.

are you joking? just turn on reality TV or instagram. this shit is so out in the open now it's not even funny.
youtube.com/watch?v=5E5wo-RunV4
two seconds of googling. that's all you need.

That's rich kids.
They don't own shit, that's their fucking parents.

Engels was a rich kid.

yes and I'm sure their parents need lots of lunch breaks and public transit too by the looks of it.

okay then just watch this shit.
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if you're not happy

They actually do, which is why bourgeois age badly, very badly.

That dude is in fact a genius, he doesn't own shit, he busts his ass out making videos with retards.

but i have more in common with the German proletariat than I do with the Indian proletariat

why don't me and my German bros form a war band and kill the Indian proletariat and take their shit

because the porks won't let you. as long as capitalism exists they can control whatever you do, and normally that's whatever they think makes the most money.

so you're saying we first must eliminate the bourgeoisie then we can launch wars against others ok

If that's what you're about then that's what you're about but bandits will be lined up against the wall along with porky

wars only exist because porks justify them. you can pretend that in your imaginary land that everyone will just magically support you idealism but they won't, so sure go for it my fellow pede

By bourgeois we mean people who own the means of production. AKA filthy rich people, if you belive big shareholders and company owners work in tight repetitive schedules with no free time like average joe, you are being fooled by dumb ideological stereotypes.

Get a grip.

Obvious moral reasons aside.
If you are going to do it for someone else to get rich you are a cuck (like the nazis). if you decide to do some form of socialist imperialism, why would the workers striving to better their society risk their own lives against the 2nd most populous country on earth when you could have healthy trade with them?

but people made war millennia before porky even existed as a concept

fuck off red bourgeoisie scum you can't stop the workers from stealing from other workers

porky didn't but private property did. and be careful confusing long-term war with incidents of battle.

less people on the planet means me and my warband's average wealth necessarily increases. to keep the Indian proletariat is no benefit to liquidate them is no loss. me and the German proletariat demand living space.

I work with bourgeois and they absolutely follow schedules like the workers, sometimes they work harder because if they don't, they got no money to pay their debt.
These rich accomdation does not mean they don't bust their ass.

but people made war millennia before porky even existed as a concept

Either under orders of some leader in post agricultural pre capitalist socieites or in pre agricultural times because of scarcity and teritorialism

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"The ruling class declares wars, the working class fights them".
And yes that is Bernie Sanders, from the 1970s

we are not talking about the same kind of people

i live in the wealthiest part of my cuntry (not wealthy myself) and have a bunch of wealthy friends they don't work for shit, and they are not even that wealthy.

capitalists are not managers

Hmm, why not?

Bourgeois just means people with private properties, shitton of them out there.

Yes, they are. They manage the managers.

Well, who are they?

that's the board of directors

Which involves the bourgeois.

only in that the bourgeois hire them and fire them when they do something they don't like

private property means a factory, a mine, a bank.
small businesses are part of the bourgeoisies but they are petit burgeois, they defend bourgeois interest usually but get cucked by regular rich people, 80% of small businesses fail in 10 years.

I work with factory owner and mine owner, surprise, they work harder than even the workers.
Source?

So they do manage them.

why the fuck are you even arguing with this guy, he is just racist.

Nowdays, at the top of the corporate ladder there are people hired by the owners who have the best qualification for the job(CEO's are still shitty rich sociopaths don't take me wrong but they are workers). leaving the actual bourgeois with extra free time.

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You're supporting the modern nation-state as it emerged in the late 18th century, a state that was formed by the bourgeois to dominate home markets and establish itself as the ruling class. Nationalism means literally empowering your country's capitalists, that is why we're against it.

Actually the bourgeois take care of the CEO.

The CEO cannot give all decisions without agreement from stockholders.

But why?

Nationalism is about serving the nation, which means the people.

Nationalism has been a thing since national identity exists.

so the ceo does all the work and stockholders say YES or NO?
thanks for proving my point.

barely

In that sense, you can say that managers do all the work, and CEO only give these suggestions to the stockholders for YES or NO.

Nope, suggesting something is easy.
CHECKING whether that suggestion is viable or not, that's the crucial part.

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Yes, that is my point.

Making decision is hard.

but that's how it goes all the way to the bottom the workload get's worse down the line, until it stops being managemente and it's manual labor and the workload changes.

besides stockholders have entire teams that make plans, provide statisitics, and give indications, all they really need to do is ponder and give the final word.
It can literally done via phone from your private island.

And national identities didn't really start forming until the 1600s at the earliest. Before that, feudal, linguistic (not the same as national), familiar or clan ties mattered way more. The ones I have just mentioned are all vertical ties (they are to people above you: your patriarch, your lord, your Clan Chief) whereas nationalism is inherently horizontal (you are tied to the German next to you, because he is a fellow German).

If by "the people" you mean rich people who hold all political and economic power and make all decisions on behalf of the nation, yes

making a decision might be hard but it takes way less time, that's what we are talking about free time and the bourgeois lifestyle compared to the worker one.

for someone who said to be against capitalism you are defending it with teeth and nail

Nope, they just have to the company's direction.
Which again, they have to ponder.

This is no movie where some stockholders are just presented a plan and say yes.

Nothing is as simple.

National identity has been a thing since the greek cities called themselves greek.

The same for the romans, the gauls, the german, etc, etc.

The fact you belong to different tribes do not make you not greek/german.

Nope, I mean all people, rich and poor.

Making a wrong decision might mean you become a bum, one stock exchange later.

So what?
And you make thousand of other bums with you if you fuck up the whole company in the process. See how insane this shit is. people's lives are constantly at the stakes of some rich shit who they have no choice but to trust to be smart enough not to fuck their jobs.
Great system right there.

nothing

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Which makes it a difficult process.
If these people are smart, they wouldn't be working as worker.

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There is no "all people", there are classes, your policy is either against capital or against labour. To benefit one class you'll always harm another.

There is ALL people.

The lower class benefits from a strong high class and vice versa.

That is one badass piggy.

YOU WILL DO AS I SAY, WAGECUCK

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Yes, boss.

I have always loved boar.

BRING IT ON YOU NASTY LOOKING BAT HOG

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All throughout history the ruling class has treated the workers like shit and you're a fool to think that would ever change as long as classes exist.

love the responses to this:

Too bad he uses your shared language to oppress you further, but hey, at least you can pretend you understand his words.
If you haven't figured this out already: there's a huge chasm between every nation's working class and bourgeois culture. The German bourgeois would chose the company of the Indian bourgeois 9/10 times rather than sit with the filth the German prole is to him, you dumb shit.
NIGGER, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK UP WORDS YOU DON'T KNOW


at least this one's honest

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made me cry, thenks

Why don't you and your German bros form your gay boyband and go kill the German porky instead? He's got much more shit for you to take than the Indian prole, he's closer to you and there's fewer of his kind.

This guy is a troll. No person capable of stringing sentences together would ask questions this stupid.

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He is probably the same guy that made this thread 8ch.net/leftypol/res/2742249.html

That's not even edgy, it's just blatant lying for macho scores used in dick measuring contests among teenagers.

thankfully getting political and lacking any empathy for anyone wasn't part of being macho where i live, instead is just drinking tequila and getting a girl.

nothing bad with the former one

why don't you and your German bros form a war band and kill the German bourgeoisie and take their shit

Because we've already succesfully deflected his anger towards the brown people. Now he behaves like a good prole should, completely confused and in denial of his class identity. Just wait until I slash his wages and he blames the Jews for it.

Cultural Marxists show their mirth ITT.

Always. You can shove your retarded american logic up your butthole you useless faggot

woah calm down

Nationalism is one of those cultural 'White things'. The sooner White people disappear from history, the sooner we can realize Socialism and Communism on a global-level. Whites are standing in the way of the natural and biological transformation of humans into a single symbiotic organism, where all genetics/DNA meld into one.
It's a little difficult to be Nationalistic when everyone is but a global citizen, where things are done the same over the entire globe; no matter the location.

Sorry but the idea that we will merge into one race is not true. You would have to intentionally make everyone breed with eachother for a long ass time and even then you don't get to choose the color of skin that comes or how many get a particular color. The best scenario is we start seeing skin color as we see hair color, not very important.

Must be Zig Forums

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This is just playing a liberal shell-game. The proletariat are not opposed to the bourgeoisie out of how "bad" they are, they are opposed to the bourgeoisie because their material interests are diametrically opposed. A bourgeoisie seeks to make the maximum profit he can to outcompete his competitors. To do this he can do one of three things: he can (a)Improve his machinary or MoP, (b)Improve his product , or (c)Pay his workers less. A bourgeoisies goal (or at least one that will survive) is to beat out his competitors in the now and aquire profit in the now that he can invest into his product or machinary. The quickest and simplest way to do so in almost every situation is to do (c)Pay his workers less. This can be leveraged in many ways, from having a surplus army of labour to simply employing a force that convinces the workers to accept the situation at hands. The prole has his own material interests as well. He wishes to be paid the most he can he can for his work so that he may buy and aquire the things he needs or wants. In a socialist society he would receive compensation near equal to actual work done calculated partly by its need in society, but in a capitalist one, where he is also looking to get paid to survive, he instead has to deal with competing against other workers to secure work and a bourgeoisie who's immediate interest is to pay him as low as he can. Now you can have a nationalist society which secures a job for every individual, but this doesn't get rid of the difference of interest and a bourgeoisie will still be fully interested in paying the workers as low as he can, this time through direct methods of enforcement due to the lack of immediate surplus labour which can be fixed later with birthing programs. Nationalist capitalism will always degrade from here anyway as the capitalists in the country begin to influence the governement out of their own self-interest, as they do now, and push for policies which enable for them higher profit which can only eventually lead to trade and the labour market being opened and the "nationalist" government collapsing. The contradiction still remains in a national capitalist government all the way through as well, the relationship is just more direct. Now you're probably thinking, what about a government that is nationalist but with an actual socialist system. The problem with this, while maybe well intentioned, is that you now have contend with the entirety of the outside capitalist forces who wish to aquire a new market or reclaim one that was lost. If you are a single country with no goals to spread socialism to others, eventually capitlaist powers and governments will find ways to insert themselves into the country and influence individuals in the government either through trade relations, blockades, or direct means. Socialism was to spread to secure it's existence, otherwise is carries the risk of degenerating back to capitalism.
Also, the racial component nationalists use is really no different from what liberals use now with them instead having bourgeoisie of different races and displaying them as representatives of their race that you should empathize with because you look like them or share a quality with them. It's just Volksgemeinschaft expanded.

It's less about skin color and far more about different cultures; hence the term 'Multiculturalism', wherein all cultures morph become a single culture as a socioeconomic class. It will still be an Us v. Them situation, but when 99.9% of the planet survives on state subsistence, they will be more concerned with helping one another through a common struggle.
It's like the clans of old which began as a single-family, and later gathered more people into the clan through motherhood/fatherhood with members; each as a productive element of the whole clan, each with a particular discipline and duty. The bond may be imposed from an upper class, but it will still be a strong bond devoid of this identity crisis we live under currently.

pretty strange thing to say, user

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You lot make being pathetic an artform. Bravo indeed.

coming from cultureless american it means nothing. you're the cancer of the planet and the sooner you 350 million cultureless barbarian are wiped out along with your retarded mentality, logic, your mcdonald's, your "music", your hollywood shit the better.

You won't be laughing when ww3 starts. We'll see each other on the battlefield, because i will join Rusia and China and wipe you cunts from this planet, or i will die trying.

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this is a good delineation of "Good Capitalism" from "Bad Capitalism". Under a meritocratic system, there should be a reward for those with the capacity and capability of manifesting into fruition an idea worthy of mass production. Not everyone will strive to improve the lives of other global citizens. There are some content with putting the same screws, into the same holes as the circuit board glides by on the assembly line; but under global Socialism, good ideas are shared with all equally.
Fortunately, today we are moving towards a global order where Socialism is a financial tool used to move monies out of the treasuries in one nation and into the coffers of another nation struggling to reach commonality with the rest of the planet. A form of global Communism is the force that will ensure that some monies are used for special projects of the bourgeoisie guiding the planet towards a common global set of goals.

You say America is cultureless, but "united we stand, divided we fall" is itself an Americanism. The reality is that American culture is so pervasive and hegemonic that you don't think it's culture at all - you think it's normal.

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What's really strange is to claim that the success of socialism is contingent on white people not existing. Makes me think you're either some kind of deranged turd worldist, idpolled to the max, or just deliberately trying to make socialism look bad.

You do? Well isn't that great. That means you can juxtapose the events of the day with classics economic works. What's that? You never read any? Don't have a degree in economics? Never run your own business? Just a soyboy faggot shitposting as a, 'super far right' weirdo? Well am sure you'll get far being a dishonest little shit. Perhaps in the racist democrat party.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

lol

Is this satire?

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sage

CEASE THIS FAGGOTRY AT ONCE

the desire globally to destroy Whites is no secret. There is no shortage of tweets. videos, statement from Western world leaders, etc…. When everyone is jewish, african or both, the identity crisis disappears(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Yeah, confirmed for either Zig Forums or unusually crazy radlib. Fuck off either way

lol what culture do you share with them? They are so far removed from anything that is enjoyed by the working class.

And by culture do you mean wearing lederhosen and eating Bavarian pretzels to traditional german music? This isn't an actual thing that affects our lives anymore, read Guy Debord.
Or do you mean culture in the sense of upholding certain moral values? Because I can guarantee that porky doesn't give two shits about that either.

The international proletariat has everything in common, just as the international bourgeoisie does too.

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As in language, cuisine taste, taste in literature, musical taste and so on and so on.
I don't see how reading Guy Debord is gonna destroy your culture.
False, I have jack to do with an Indian IT except that we both breath air, eat food, drink water, sleep and die.

As opposed to…not understand this language?
Which is what you say, meanwhile, that chasm is less huge than the culture between an indian guy and a german guy.
But bourgeois does eat processed food and mass transit, see Trump.
Sure you can show one example right?

Labels.

Wow, nice libtard comic too.

Which is why peasant rebel is actually a minority compared to years rules?

Face it, the lower class AND the ruler class desire stability.

Bad ruler class leads to bad lower class and vice versa.

Only when it furthers their own interest. Where's the desire for stability among the yellow vests? They'd rather risk instability than put up with the status-quo.

Not what I was referring to.

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