Be the Soviet Union

Not just improved, but moved it to the same high quality as imperialists have. And not just East Europe, but also North Korea, Vietnam,Cuba and many more

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union#cite_note-163

Talking to my Russian boomer parents I've come to the realization that in the late 70's and 80's the reason they took down the Soviet Union was mostly because they wanted shit like Jeans, rock bands and coke. They acknowledge that the living standards were good, education and healthcare was good but muh rock music was not allowed. So next time it happens just don't do the retarded puritanical censorship and find ways to not ban products people actually want Putin's shit state has basically no real censorship at all and it's authoritarian.

I think there is a more nuanced lesson here regarding jeans.
iirc the craze was specifically regarding high quality stylish imported jeans. The poliburo should have just taken note of what specific styles were being smuggled into the country and mass produced those domestically to satiate the public's desires.

The Soviets should have just copied Western consumer goods and sold them at home and globally for dirt cheap. The heavy industry meme definitely hurt them after the war more than it helped.

Reading the UN report from the 90's is quite painful. So many communist and soft-socialist states had high quality of life without exploiting other and engaging in imperialism. People were happy, healthy, well feed and had many kids who would grow up to be doctors, engines, workers and astronauts. Yemen, Libya,Iraq and Syria all had relatively high income and high, growing standards of living,.. But because some a-holes and reactionaries decided to rob almost 300 million people of Soviet Union and worker achieved wealth, against the popular referendum, they destroyed Soviet Union and ceased support for socialist allies, many of whom have been turned into war zones.

One user made good point that Soviet should have reverse engineered everything and flooded third world market with copies.

They also should have legalized importing those kinds of goods so they could track what people were consuming. Then they could produce domestic copies for far cheaper and undercut the western goods.

I have the same feeling about people from the GDR. They just couldn't appreciate the humanistic value of a society which is consistently antifascist and antiimperialist. But no, muh bananas and muh coffee was reason enough, to give up socialism in east germany.

Because "dude breadlines lmao" and "MUH AUTHORITARIANISM"

Daily reminder that Trotskytists are class traitors and crypto-fash.

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Trotsky was right. Fuck ☭TANKIE☭s. If the USSR struck first Europe would be Red all the way to the Channel by 1943.

the USSR was doomed to fail from the beginning. it has nothing to do with Stalin vs Trotsky.

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it was full of contradictions. read Cockshott.

Which book?

Read [insert 9001 page obscure book] you bouregois counter revolutionary reactionary porky

Towards a New Socialism

wanting a repeat of the USSR is brainlet tier. communism is a science not an ideal.

Thanks, I always here it talked about and need to get around to it.

The USSR wasn't perfect, though it did many great things as well. Not all criticism is counterrevolutionary. Future socialism will not be like the USSR, though it will learn from many of its successes and failures

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I want to scientifically decide how long to stick you in a gulag for

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so chinese knock-offs are furthering socialism

I have heard the story of buying Jeans and Coca Cola in neighboring capitalist countries a thousand times when I was a child and only when I grew up did I ask myself "jeans and coca cola vs a job for everyone and general welfare, are you people retarded???"

The reason DPRK has lasted so long is because they spend billions of dollars stealing shit from major countries.

honestly i don't doubt stuff like that caused dissatisfaction but you realise that there were some genuine criticisms of the system right? i doubt every single Soviet who wanted to dismantle socialism did it over something so trivial. especially considering in the 70s and 80s they were importing lots of western bands like the Beatles as well as producing their own music.

I don’t think they should have censored art and literature as much as they did. I don’t adhere to the bullshit Mao believed that there is no such thing as art for art’s sake and that there is no “classless art”. It’s a nitpick of course and something I’m not really going to lose sleep over, but a negative nonetheless; something I’d do differently. I’m not against censoring but I’d focus on censoring more extreme reactionaries (fascists, racists, etc).

Another issue I have is their repression of religion. Closing down churches doesn’t create atheists, religion will only be eliminated until the social conditions which foster such beliefs are abolished. I do agree with their banning of religious schooling though and mandatory courses on scientific atheism. Maybe I’m just too disconnected from the period to understand the repression though. From everything I know the church in Russia was an extremely reactionary force

It kinda was. Sorry. I mean, I know I'm speaking from the vantage point of someone much better off than the dismal world average, but praising a State, let alone the State that Joe built, already seemed like a roundabout way of saying "you can have civil liberties, or you can have dignified living conditions, but you can't have both". Unless I missed out on disturbing insights by the reincarnation of Lenin, there are no a priori reasons why liberty must be sacrificed in order to build socialism. It happened in the Soviet case due to very unfortunate historical circumstances, and that mold was used by every single other socialist State so far, but it doesn't mean that those had to, and it most definitely doesn't mean the next attempt should. Preferable as it is to capitalism (Stalin's reign notwithstanding), compared to what it set out to do, socialism was a disaster. Learn what is and isn't to be done, and move on.

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oh look it's another episode of "i think Marxist-Leninists want to repeat exactly what happened in the USSR"
i've yet to see a single ML who isn't LARPing that actually wants to bring back the Soviet Union exactly as it was. i think i speak for like 99.99% of ☭TANKIE☭s who actually have a grasp of reality when i say that we want to look at the things socialist states (not just the USSR) did right, and not repeat what they did wrong. this is basic shit, not even something unique to MLs.

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To be fair after the world revolution failed it was only a matter of time. External pressure forced them towards authoritarianism which created an unaccountable party elite. This in turn alienated the people from socialism and allowed revisionism to take hold.

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same pseudoscientific brainlet take as "globalism vs nationalism is the real political spectrum"

Not that user but surely it being isolated as the only socialist state on Earth for some time – in a backward country like Russia – was at least a small hindrance to its developmental potential

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The USSR was perfect until Stalin was murdered by Cornman who then let out all the Nazis so they spread lies among the Eastern European nations that caused the downfall of it.

that says more about their system than anything

show me one example of someone on this board (or any ML for that example) who wants to repeat exactly what happened in the USSR

What a simplistic view

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can we have a CPC must go curse?

We are in a thread praising the USSR, we are permitted to be as critical as we want towards it. It does nothing for the discussion for you to start panic lashing at Anons just for having a different view then you.

It’s not the sanctions or external pressures that caused them to collapse directly. Those pressures caused them to regress into authoritarianism which in turn spurred internal contradictions that eventually led to their collapse.

Did an entire generation of people spend their lives huffing paint?

Anyway, USSR was capitalist and subject to the whims of capital, namely its overproduction and crises. No surprise there. Seems a lot nicer than what they have now though.(>USSR was capitalist)

How?

Many of the rural campesinos in the small Bolivian town of Vallegrande, where anthropologists retrieved Che's remains in 1997, firmly believe that there exists a "curse of Che".[140] This belief exists because six of the Bolivian politicians and military officers who share responsibility for Guevara's death have since died a violent death. They were murdered, died in accidents, or in the case of Bolivian President René Barrientos were killed in a helicopter crash. In addition, General Gary Prado, who arrested Guevara, became paralyzed after a shot went off from a gun he was handling and hit his spine

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara_in_popular_culture#"Curse_of_Che"

There were certainly other grievances like the war in Afghanistan was extremely unpopular and nobody liked the retarded Politburo and the stale propaganda. And there was a campaign to ban western cultural stuff like rock music if you were found listening to it you would be barred from entry into the pioneers and it would be a strike against your entire record. But whenever you talk to them it always begins with a variation of " my son let me tell you about the time I bought my first pair of Jean's on the black market"

Pioneers and comsomol*

source on this? from what i understand not being allowed in the Komsomol wasn't the end of the world.

I dont have a source I only know what the boomers told me. As far as I can tell there where rock bands that were allowed by the state and the there was a a big list of band both foreign and domestic that were blacklisted and not allowed and the boomers wanted to listen to those ones in particular because those bands were the edgiest

These are some powerful dialectics, clearly he was taught at the Frankfurt school of the occult

I feel this would be an interesting discussion point for the thread, it's a shame user got nixed

It was a 'the grass is greener on the other side' effect. Michael Parenti talks about this, he met and spoke to many people at the time. The people wanted all the good glitzy stuff from the West, they thought that they could have the wests consumer goods and never really considered that they could lose their social safety and solidarity. They took those things for granted.

What a rude awakening it must have been.

not it wasn't
espressostalinist.com/the-real-stalin-series/gulag/

Stop posting that article it's full of bullshit and basic inaccuracies.

B but they had state capitalism not real revolution ussr bad

Tleftcom

NEP wasn't capitalist read Zizek you damned Dengoid.

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No it's not.

Literally states that maximum sentence for the GULAG was 10 years: even though everyone after 1941 was sentenced to 25 years (although noone ever served that much). If you want the accurate shit about the GULAG, read Volkogonov.

worst poster on the board, no competition

lmao so you admit it WAS 10 years most of the time GULAG existed

Did you happen to turn off your sarcasm detector?

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Based Che. Flossing on the compradore bourg post-mortem epic style

STFU YOU ☭TANKIE☭ SUBHUMANS I KILL ☭TANKIE☭S EVERYDAY ALL ☭TANKIE☭S WILL BE SHOT THERE WILL BE A. ANARCHIST WORLD ORDER AND ☭TANKIE☭S WILL BE SHOT ALL ☭TANKIE☭S ARE PROTO FACISTS

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Ironic shitposting is still shitposting