Things appear to be heating up slowlg with the situation in Venezuela...

Things appear to be heating up slowlg with the situation in Venezuela, is it a good time to make a dedicated thread for current events?

Trump himself has threatened regime change and intervention against Venezuela in the past as well. Are things looking bad for Maduro?

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Honestly, the best thing that could happen to PSUV and Maduro would be a Brazilian invasion, Brazil's military is fucking terrible, they wouldn't be able to win, patriotic support for PSUV would skyrocket because that's how invasions work, people really behind their government

But Maduro is fucking shit and you're literally retarded if you defend him

You missed the part where Trump threatened to recognize the leader of the opposition as the real president today.

So the US can walk in and do regime change awesome

China and Russia need to step up their involvement in Latin America.

You could say the same things about Gadaffi and Assad, but it’s obviously pointless and counterproductive to do so when they’re faced with American aggression. I doubt anyone here will praise Maduro for everything he does but I would be suspicious of any figure being lauded as the “legitimate leader of Venezuela” by the US government of all governments or whenever they lable an election “illegitimate”. If America topples Maduro fascism will come to Venezuela

reported for imperialism

Wrong. Wrong!

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Out of a ~17-46 percent turnout.
The joke of course is that the new guy has even less of a mandate than Maduro. I.e. the guy that was barely elected versus the guy that wasn't.

There's not much Maduro can do, because the basis of Vuvuzela's economy has been lacking for decades.
Instead of using oil exports to kickstart domestic industries and give the country some sense of autarky, they blew the money on welfare.
People here can hate on China all they want. But this is what happens if you don't develop the productive forces.

More like civil war; the only people more unpopular than Maduro at this point are the opposition.

Trufax. The left never really looked into it when it was going well so quite a few of us are looking retarded singing its praises now it's crumbling.

Saudis will not allow that to happen

They had a decade to do it, it's obviously too late now.

Wtf I love the opposition now

you mean besides abolishing the ancient price controls Chavez established during the boom?

American elections are illegitimate by your retarded standard because half of people never vote

this is true

They are t Burger

They can’t though, it isn’t their hemisphere. The only reason the US can intervene in the East is because of NATO and Japan. If China and Russia ere to intervene in the Western Hemisphere without allies they will fail.

The fact that Maduro could be so unpopular and still move his base to vote him back into office just goes to show how shitty, weak, and illegitimate the opposition is. I think it's very unlikely that you'll see most Venezuelans siding with the pro-imperialist opposition considering they don't even want to vote for them. Hopefully the PSUV will be able to continue to rally support from the Venezuelan people and bring more to their side under the threat of invasion and regime change.

Based china and naziflag, things are shit and frankly I have no idea how they could get up. Most probably the gringos will are the venecos expat to do some terrorising or liberating with bolsonaro.

Vuvuzela New Congo
Vuvuzela New Libya
Coltan=Cocaine=Petrol

I'm currently trying to inform myself in regards to the whole Venezuela thing. Can someone tell me which opposition leaders Maduro banned and what the official reasons were? Also, were there any election observers during the last election and what was their impression? When I'm googling for it I more often than not find vague statements tied into a very obvious rhetoric. I'd also appreciate it if someone has a link to a resource that sums the basics of the whole thing up while mostly sticking to descriptive claims.

cringe

not real socialism

Given that almost all of the Americas sided with the US if Maduro doesn't go Venezuela will be fucked extremely hard by economic sanctions. Things will not get better.

Maduro didn't banned anybody. The Supreme Tribunal of Justice acted accordingly at the request of the General Attorney for those individuals involved in terrorists actions during the "guarimbas" in 2017. That's it. Only three political parties didn't participate in the elections (AD, Primero Justicia, Voluntad Popular) the rest of the opposition parties participated. Those three parties were lead directly by the US. The order was to not participate in the election.

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Illegitimate why? dismantling the lies with 10 truths.

Could this question have been asked by those who affirm that Nicolás Maduro is a dictator, an usurper and that the period 2019-2025 lacks legitimacy? Or do they just repeat what they hear?

The 12 countries meeting in Lima began to position this opinion matrix. The statement read: "… the electoral process carried out in Venezuela on May 20, 2018 lacks legitimacy because it did not have the participation of all Venezuelan political actors, nor the presence of independent international observers, nor the international guarantees and standards necessary for a free, fair and transparent process. "

The leaders of the Venezuelan opposition, we refer to the non-democratic one, repeat without rest, and of course without argument, that Maduro is an usurper.

In an act of despair, the Vice President of the United States, Mike Pence to be forced to personally call the opposition march for January 23, due to the incompetence of the opposition leadership, insisted and repeated that President Nicolás Maduro is a dictator , usurper and illegitimate.

The strategy is clear, repeat the lie a thousand times to make it true.

Let's disassemble the lie:

1. There were presidential elections. They were held on May 20, 2018, that is, before January 10, 2019, at which time in accordance with articles 230 and 231 of the Constitution expires the 2013-2019 presidential term. The Constitution was being violated if the elections had been held after January 10, 2019, or even worse, if they had not taken place.

2. It was the Venezuelan opposition that requested the advance of the elections. They were held in May and not December, as was traditionally the case, because it was the opposition that requested, within the framework of the dialogue in the Dominican Republic, that they take place in the first quarter of 2018.

3. In Venezuela, the vote is a right, it is not a duty. Those who freely, although influenced by some non-democratic political organizations that called for abstention, decided not to attend the vote are in their full right, but absolutely doers not illegitimate the electoral process, even more so when that would imply ignoring and disrespecting the 9,389 .056 that if they decided to vote and exercised their right to vote democratically.

4. 16 political parties participated in the electoral contest (PSUV), (MSV), (Tupamaro), (UPV), (Podemos), (PPT), (ORA), (MPAC), (MEP), (PCV), (AP), (MAS) (Copei) Hope for Change, (UPP89). In Venezuela it is not obligatory for all political parties to participate in the electoral processes. They are fully entitled to decide whether or not to participate. Precisely because our system is democratic. The fact that 3 parties (AD, VP and PJ) freely decided not to participate, does not illegitimate the electoral process.

5. 6 candidates were nominated: Nicolás Maduro, Henri Falcón, Javier Bertucci, Reinaldo Quijada, Francisco Visconti Osorio and Luis Alejandro Ratti (the last two decided to retire).

6. Maduro won with a wide margin, obtained 6,248,864 votes, 67.84%; Henri Falcón followed with 1.927.958, 20.93%; Javier Bertucci with 1,015,895, 10.82% and Reinaldo Quijada who obtained 36,246 votes, 0.39% of the total. The difference between Maduro and Falcón was 46.91 percentage points.

7. Some 150 people accompanied the electoral process, including 14 electoral commissions from 8 countries; 2 electoral technical missions; 18 journalists from different parts of the world; 1 Europarlamentario and 1 technical-electoral delegation of the Central Electoral of Russia.

8. The elections were held with the same electoral system used in the December 2015 parliamentary elections, in which the Venezuelan opposition won. System that is automated and subjected to audits before, during and after the elections. System that guarantees the principles of "one elector, one vote" because only with the fingerprint is the voting machine unlocked; and guarantees the "secret of the vote".

9. 18 audits were performed on the automated system. The representatives of the candidate Henri Falcón participated in the 18 and signed the minutes in which they express their agreement with the electoral system. The audits are public and televised live on the channel of the National Electoral Council. Once the audits are done, the system is blocked and the only way to access it again is with the simultaneous introduction of the secret codes that each political organization has.

10. None of the candidates who participated in the electoral process contested the results. There is no evidence of fraud, they did not present any evidence or specific complaint of fraud.

The presidential elections of May 20, 2018 were free, transparent, reliable, safe, and in keeping with the Constitution and the laws, despite the anti-democratic call for abstention on the part of an opposition sector.

Others are the ones who claim to usurp the office of President of the Republic with the argument of a supposed power vacuum, a figure that is not contemplated in our Constitution and the establishment of a "government of transition", figure not even provided for in the Magna Carta. As if that were not enough, they intend to exercise power outside our borders in violation of Article 18 of the Constitution that establishes that Caracas is the seat of public powers.

So, things are other usurpers, illegitimate and undemocratic.

It is illegitimate and it is an attempt of usurpation that some sectors of the opposition intend to sustain themselves in the support of foreign sectors from imperialist governments to exercise an authority that neither the people nor the Constitution gives them.

Let us repeat these truths a thousand times