Why was he such a fucking faggot? "Anti-Communist Propagandist, Champion of..."

Liam Lewis
Liam Lewis

Why was he such a fucking faggot?
"Anti-Communist Propagandist, Champion of Trotskyism and State Informer"
“What attracted the bourgeoisie to this third-rate writer was not his pretended support for the ideals of the October Revolution, but his real driving hated for the ideals of communism”
stalinsocietygb.wordpress.com/2016/07/12/george-orwell/

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Dylan Ross
Dylan Ross

Tbf some well reasoned and logical arguments put forth here this is the kind of leftypol discussion I miss.

Jaxon Cox
Jaxon Cox

Some Trots are ok, and are really only different from MLs, due to them just wanting optics, and agree that Stalin had personal flaws.
That being said, Orwell, and his autistic Fabian beliefs

Gavin Stewart
Gavin Stewart

third rate writer

Just because you disagree with him doesn't make him third rate; his essays and writings like 'shooting an elephant' are pretty good imo

stalin society
Now I'm a Stalin defender but that is not a fucking source, all they do is regurgitate Grover Furr uncritically and somehow make it even more moronic. They're unironic 'stalin did nothing wrong ever' types.

Jaxon Foster
Jaxon Foster

Why do we have these threads every week, we have been through and about Orwell countless times

Colton Price
Colton Price

tankies misinterpreting the quote to mean he's on the side of the policeman
kek.

Asher Hall
Asher Hall

not being a ☭TANKIE☭ in current year

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John King
John King

This. He literally wrote that when he sided with armed workers in Barcelona against the civil guards during the May Days. Orwell may have been a trot and a demsucc, but he was not an anti communist.

Charles Davis
Charles Davis

Just because you disagree with him doesn't make him third rate;
his books are bad though.

'shooting an elephant' are pretty good
shooting an elephant is a classic "shoot and cry" narrative, Orwell was really cutting edge in writing imperialist propaganda

Brandon Moore
Brandon Moore

his books are bad though.

t. buttblasted ☭TANKIE☭

Christian Morales
Christian Morales

1984 and Animal Farm are literal kid's books and they are soulless boring trash. They're on the shelf of every pseud brainlet. Orwell was a terrible writer and a snitch, fuck him.

Henry Wright
Henry Wright

that quote is clearly in the side worker what the hell.

"i have no love for the idealised worker, >>BUT<<

Cameron Jackson
Cameron Jackson

a socialist must be perfect in every way
a socialist must be right on all issues
a socialist must transcend being a mere human
a socialist must never make a mistake or a bad judgment call
a socialist must never make bad decisions
<any 'socialist' who doesn't live up to this was never a socialist at all! Just a snake in the grass.
<any mistake is not a mistake, but evidence of a deep incorrigible flaw in the person
OP is a liberal, if you haven't noticed yet.

Tyler Rodriguez
Tyler Rodriguez

Orwell is a complex character. Just because he did some shitty things doesn't erase thr good things. Kust because he did some good things doesn't justify the shitty things. Either downplaying his shitty actions or downplaying his good work to make him out as a pure hero or villain is childish black and white thinking and smacks of great man theory. In reality people are complex and we should judge their actions as such rather than bundling everything together and find8ng reasons to excuse bad things or toss out good ones.

Benjamin Diaz
Benjamin Diaz

stalinsociety
hahahahhaahHAHAHHAHAA

Julian Wright
Julian Wright

Shooting an Elephant was a criticism of imperialism. The entire point was that imperialism destroyed relations between ordinary people who had more interests in common with each other than with the people at the head of the imperial machine.

Blake Cox
Blake Cox

OP's an idiot and couldn't have chosen a worse source, but George Orwell really was shite. He was a Democratic Socialist at most, and his list is inarguably shitty and anti-communist.

Ian Green
Ian Green

some of his books are okay, I remember 1984 being good. Animal Farm is utter shit though, and ironically one of the most famous anticommunist books in history from a supposed "socialist"

Joseph Parker
Joseph Parker

Shooting an Elephant was a criticism of imperialism
guess American Sniper was too cuz there's a scene where the guy cries

Aaron White
Aaron White

he did some shitty things doesn't erase thr good things
he didn't do good things

Jack Murphy
Jack Murphy

In Road to Wigan Pier he writes that only socialism can save the workers after seeing their conditions. Then he criticises British socialists for not doing enough.

Christopher Walker
Christopher Walker

Holy shit you're denser than a neutron star.

Samuel Campbell
Samuel Campbell

Yeah I believe that. I think HE believed he was a proper socialist, and he was certainly a leftisit, just he was much more on the socdem/demsoc side. His own wiki says he was a demsoc.

Brayden Martinez
Brayden Martinez

Orwell discourse is stale as fuck but I think the only valid take is that he soured from sitting on his ass for 5 years during the war and turned into a reactionary. I don't care how many times you say that 1984 and Animal Farm are some "democratic/libertarian socialist masterpiece against stalinism", they are really shitty.
His writings from the 20s and 30s are actually good though and I wish people would stop dismissing it cause of his shit from the 40s or try and defend all his writings.

Zachary Stewart
Zachary Stewart

M8 the entire point of Shooting an Elephant was that imperialism forces rank and file white proles into unnatural and unnecessary conflict with colonized people, and that they should be natural allies instead. It’s widely regarded as an anti-imperialist work.

Ian Johnson
Ian Johnson

He took a bullet in the fight against fascism in Spain.
Animal Farm isn’t anti communist, it’s more of a Trotskyist shitpost. The revolution is portrayed as a fundamentally good thing destroyed by Stalin, who is seen as a crypto-porky.

William Barnes
William Barnes

newworker.org/ncptrory/1984.htm

Dominic Walker
Dominic Walker

I know but being anti-soviet union in the 40s is pretty much analogous to being anti-communist, geopolitically at he very least

Jackson Lewis
Jackson Lewis

1984 isn't even about Stalin, it's about the conditions he saw in England at the time. Ever since Catalonia he was obsessed with the way lies and propaganda manipulate populations, and he saw that happening in the UK, in the USSR and the fascist countries.

Easton Murphy
Easton Murphy

The worker. He is on the side of the worker. Dude was in the frontlines of catalonian revolution shooting nazies and francoists, literally bashing the fash the way ☭TANKIE☭kids could only dream of.
Also the revolutionary Catalonia seemed pretty cool. Why did Stalin have to order his men to ruin it? Was it his gutteral hatred against the working class, or was it just his usual megalomaniac mental 3-year-old fit of rage because he wasnt asked to be the king communist of their sand castle?

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Robert Robinson
Robert Robinson

Even though he was a daddy, he suffered from eternal 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧anglo🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 syndrome.

William Reyes
William Reyes

No it isn’t. That’s just a retarded thing people say to shut down criticism of the USSR. The fact is that it was woefully deficient in many areas, and deserved criticism which is something Lenin himself said. Orwell went too far in saying it was no better than a capitalist state, but to suggest that this makes him and anti-communist is to ignore the fact that he was active in the socialist movement, actively attempting to build socialism in Britain. Even the worst of his liberal tier offenses, the list, is blown out of proportion by his detractors. Yes it was a betrayal, yes it was snitching. But Stalin betrayed the entire country of Greece to British imperialism and Nazi collaborators. Which one of these betrayals do you think killed more communists? Where is the ☭TANKIE☭ outrage about this betrayal? There is little consistency or intellectual honesty in many criticisms of Orwell.

Austin Cruz
Austin Cruz

Some good criticism here and there, but the conclusions it takes are stretching the truth in a manner that is to be expected from a page literally called "Stalinist Society".

The author's inability to understand Orwell's allegory is one thing. The point of the animals' existence and their humanization is to showcase that, while in socialist society everyone provides according to their abilities, in capitalist society, due to the division of labor, you are often reduced to arduous, meaningless work. It's not, as the author implies, saying that "in politics people are no better than animals". Animal Farm reads and is constucted like a fable, be assured that it is a fucking fable. It's not meant to be some nuanced critique of communism. Stop treating it as such.

You can't say that Orwell worked in the interest of capitalism. Orwell's works function in the interest of capitalists specifically because they are taken out of context, which the author admits. What the author doesn't admit though, is how it requires superhuman foresight to know in what way your books will be interpreted several generations after you've written them. It's like saying Hegel was bad because there were Right-Hegelians. It's a stupid argument.

I didn't bother to read much of the article because it's obviously smear and attacking strawmen. It plays very much into the ☭TANKIE☭ lore of "man who criticized me bad". Orwell did a lot of bad shit too, yeah, and you could either decide to criticize him for the bad shit he did, or say "Orwell bad because his books bad".

Cooper Hill
Cooper Hill

If he was pro-worker why did he make anti-communist propaganda?

Nicholas Johnson
Nicholas Johnson

He didn’t. Animal Farm portrays the Russian revolution and socialism as a good thing and 1984 is about propaganda and political control in general.

James Clark
James Clark

exiledonline.com/big-brothers-george-orwell-and-christopher-hitchens-exposed/

Nathaniel Taylor
Nathaniel Taylor

You have to love how so many of the criticisms of Orwell centre around crazy conspiracy theories that claim that his works all meant the opposite of what he literally said they meant.
I wrote Shooting an Elephant as a criticism of imperialism
<lmao actually you didn’t it was all a trick

Tyler Jenkins
Tyler Jenkins

considering he literally shilled and snitched for imperialists, maybe, JUST MAYBE he was a lying piece of shit.

Luke Johnson
Luke Johnson

Stalin abandoned entire countries to imperialists and Nazi collaborators, resulting in thousands of dead communists. He then excommunicated communists like Tito who refused to let this happen. Was he a lying piece of shit? What Orwell did was deplorable, but ultimately it was just a list of people he told the BBC not to hire. It didn’t even lead to any arrests.

Jeremiah Nguyen
Jeremiah Nguyen

Goodbye shill scum, hopefully you're gone for good this time (who am I kidding, your filth always comes back).

Sebastian Mitchell
Sebastian Mitchell

Time to watch this shill cry on /leftpol/.

Xavier Moore
Xavier Moore

why do you keep saying "he only told the BBC who not to employ" like that somehow makes it better? it's still ratting on communists.

Evan Stewart
Evan Stewart

why do you keep saying "he only told the BBC who not to employ" like that somehow makes it better?
Don’t get me wrong, it was still a betrayal, but don’t pretend it’s equivalent to ratting out communists and them getting imprisoned or killed as a result. My point here isn’t to dismiss legitimate criticisms of Orwell, there are plenty of them. He was a snitch who sold out revolutionaries, and a demsucc who bought into anti-Soviet propaganda. But it’s a big leap to go from that to saying that he was an out and out reactionary who secretly liked capitalism and imperialism despite him denouncing and actively working against them throughout his life. He was a sectarian who screwed over tendencies he didn’t like, but that doesn’t make him an anticommunist any more than Stalin was an anticommunist for purging Trots.
Eat my ass cunts, ban is already lifted.

Angel Bennett
Angel Bennett

inb4 based asimov 1984 revie…
During World War II, in which he was rejected for military service, he
was associated with the left wing of the British Labour party, but didn't
much sympathise with their views, for even their reckless version of
socialism seemed too well organised for him.

He wasn't much affected, apparently, by the Nazi brand of
totalitarianism, for there was no room within him except for his private war
with Stalinist communism. Consequently, when Great Britain was fighting for
its life against Nazism, and the Soviet Union fought as an ally in the
struggle and contributed rather more than its share in lives lost and in
resolute courage, Orwell wrote Animal Farm which was a satire of the Russian
Revolution and what followed, picturing it in terms of a revolt of barnyard
animals against human masters.

That book described society as a vast world-wide extension of Stalinist
Russia in the 1930s, pictured with the venom of a rival left-wing sectarian.
Other forms of totalitarianism play a small role. There are one or two
mentions of the Nazis and of the Inquisition. At the very start, there is a
reference or two to Jews, almost as though they were going to prove the
objects of persecution, but that vanishes almost at once, as though Orwell
didn't want readers to mistake the villains for Nazis.
The picture is of Stalinism, and Stalinism only.
By the time the book came out in 1949, the Cold War was at its height.
The book therefore proved popular. It was almost a matter of patriotism in
the West to buy it and talk about it, and perhaps even to read parts of it,
although it is my opinion that more people bought it and talked about it
than read it, for it is a dreadfully dull book - didactic, repetitious, and
all but motionless.

It was most popular at first with people who leaned towards the
conservative side of the political spectrum, for it was clearly an
anti-Soviet polemic, and the picture of life it projected in the London of
1984 was very much as conservatives imagined life in the Moscow of 1949 to
be.

Based Asimov

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Brody Richardson
Brody Richardson

The world may go communist, if not by 1984, then by some not very much later date; or it may see civilisation destroyed.
Wish we weren't in the fucking "civilization destroyed" timeline.

Leo Lewis
Leo Lewis

be me.
Phone poster with no regard for reformating direct quotes to green text. Not sorry.
pic possibly related.

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