Why is social democracy so hated here when alongside unions it's the thing that...

Brandon Flores
Brandon Flores

Why is social democracy so hated here when alongside unions it's the thing that actually helps the working class on a practical basis?

Why is Zig Forums more obsessed with abolishing capital than the benefits of doing it?

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Easton Sanchez
Easton Sanchez

social democracy
actually helps the working class

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Kayden Collins
Kayden Collins

higher standars of living
higher wages and labour regulations
free healthcare and education

Colton Hill
Colton Hill

I do not understand capitalism and am proud of my ignorance: the post
Social democracy cannot overcome capitalism's internal contradictions, it's why social democracy has become more decrepit over time. Betrayal in the 1910s, incompetence in the 1930s, abandonment of founding principles in the 1950s, losing to neoliberalism in the 1970s, embracing neoliberalism in the 1990s, getting destroyed in elections in the 2010s. Social democracy is a meme at this point and doesn't stand for anything.

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Logan Ross
Logan Ross

Generally speaking, social democracy still defends the institution of capitalism. No matter how much they hold businesses accountable, it’s still not enough. Honestly it depends on the party/candidate.

I don’t mean to sound like a defeatist, but it’s idealistic thinking at best to believe that in today’s global corporate society that a large scale communist society could thrive. Like just look at China. People here defend that capitalist mess because they cosplay as commies… but they’re doing what they have to do apparently.

Gabriel Wood
Gabriel Wood

What a dumb ass post. China doesn't have to do it - they choose to. Any developed nation with a decent population size could easily institute socialism once nationalization has taken place. That's the one prerequisite.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918–19

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxian_economics

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way

Austin Torres
Austin Torres

It actually does tho, but saying it’s the only thing that does is stupid.

Cooper Lee
Cooper Lee

The issue is that it doesn't help in the long term, as most of the time those measures can be repealed.
This speaks to a larger problem in reformism, as there's always forces acting against it whether it be the Freicorps, the police, or the military in all industrialized nations.
There is also the problem of electoralism in social democracy, as it's always required you lose a bit of radicalism in order to cater to unsure voters.

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Ayden Cruz
Ayden Cruz

Social democracy has definitely created the best societies yet for proletarians. As it stands, it just doesn't have a workable socialist program, and will always lose to the interests of capital in the long term.

Joseph Richardson
Joseph Richardson

social democracy only "works" when there's a threat of the working class who forces its hand towards concessions
if they ask for revolution, they will take the opportunity to seize the government and maybe promise to continue unemployment pay and only cutting it next year, gradually
and often enough socdems would rather just shoot workers or screw them over otherwise by trading one program for the other
if it hadn't been for the Soviet Union and the socialist camp there wouldn't have been any socdem welfare programs in western europe to begin with
it was the communists that scared the bourgeois camp so much even the former Zentrum party CDU in west germany had to condemn capitalism, even if just in words

Jaxon Miller
Jaxon Miller

Fucking Rosa killer! It's because anti-fa and actually commies have accomplished much more for the working class than suck dems. When the revolution comes suck dems get the bullet first. *Sarcasm*

Adam Williams
Adam Williams

I think we should certainly push social democratic reforms as far as they can go, but social democracy can't be an end goal. There is also probably a lot less value in supporting social democracy in Europe than in the US.

Daniel Murphy
Daniel Murphy

Holy shit you are such a normie.

Alexander Lee
Alexander Lee

Why is social democracy so hated here when alongside unions it's the thing that actually helps the working class on a practical basis?

Social Democracy is capitalism. It can be argued that it is worse than free market capitalism because it kills revolutionary potential and it doesn't solve the problem of exploitation it just gives from free shit to first worlders at the expensive of the third world.

Unions were at one point revolutionary. Now, instead of fighting capital they bargain with it.
But I don't think anyone here hates unions

Why is Zig Forums more obsessed with abolishing capital than the benefits of doing it?

Because we're Marxists not bourgeois parasites

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Daniel Gonzalez
Daniel Gonzalez

anti-fa have accomplished much more for the working class than suck dems

what would we do if we actually had trash cans in cities!
glorious trash can liberators

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Owen Johnson
Owen Johnson

you can do even better with actual fucking socialism you smoothbrain

Robert Reyes
Robert Reyes

I'm okay with social democrats who want to create socialism through reforms. I think they're WRONG, but they're at least on the right side of the class struggle. I'm not okay with social democrats who want to preserve capitalism through reforms. They're class collaborationists on the wrong side of the class struggle. Make sense?

Bentley Hernandez
Bentley Hernandez

where are these social democrats then?
the only succdems who talk about socialism are imagining Bernie Sanders

Chase Ward
Chase Ward

lol the Soviet Union was literally reformist succdemism. it started with the NEP.
the reason it's hated here is because this board is nothing but NEET larpers who want to feel good about worshipping asian people from across the globe.

Jayden Perez
Jayden Perez

Hi, succdem here. I want socialism and not welfare state. I support the dissalution of the bourgeois state and creation of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Jaxson Cruz
Jaxson Cruz

lol the Soviet Union was literally reformist succdemism. it started with the NEP.

no it wasn't

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Luis Green
Luis Green

Why is social democracy so hated here
its idealistic and undialectical
read critique of the gotha program

Eli Butler
Eli Butler

succdem here

I want socialism and not welfare state

these two are mutually exclusive

Henry Foster
Henry Foster

No they aren't. Socialism isn't a welfare state.

Jace Martinez
Jace Martinez

let me tell how good sucking bourgeois cock if they pay for the gibs

Austin Cox
Austin Cox

Social Democracy is

Cameron Nelson
Cameron Nelson

Perhaps liberals do, but I do not as I have already stated.

Jordan Lopez
Jordan Lopez

Then you're ignorant to what social democracy is

Aiden Thompson
Aiden Thompson

this wasn't until after the 1st 5 year plan.

Justin Jones
Justin Jones

I want socialism and not welfare state.
Why would you want socialism without a welfare state?

Noah Harris
Noah Harris

yeah read What Must Be Done and State and Revolution.

Lenin explains why he continued capitalism for a bit

Jack Williams
Jack Williams

Why would you want socialism without a welfare state?

Those who do not work do not eat.

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Asher Bailey
Asher Bailey

i want to generalize the condition of proletarianization across all of society instead of abolishing the condition itself
Moron

Ryan Foster
Ryan Foster

When proletarians control the means of production they'll implement an effective welfare system without the use of the state.

Michael Cruz
Michael Cruz

All socialists countries were morons

ok bud

Juan Bailey
Juan Bailey

I guess it depends on what you mean by welfare state. Generally I hear it regarded as a capitalist state with strong welfare programs. In a more general sense, yes socialism would have some programs of similar function.
I'm perfectly aware of what social democracy is. I'm also aware of the revisionist tendencies in the movement and don't align myself with them. Whether you want to call it social democracy, democratic socialist, whatever you want the terms have all been denigrated so I'm just not concerned with it. It just describes my tendencies, theory and strategy.

Easton Diaz
Easton Diaz

what is automation

Juan Myers
Juan Myers

Social democracy relied upon a very specific historic and geopolitical context which no longer exists. It's a cargo cult that can only offer a decontextualized gesticular politics whose hope is that if they ape the actions of the 20th century faithfully enough they'll get similar results without ever taking into account the dissimilar material and social circumstances they find themselves in. It's a dead end.

Brody Garcia
Brody Garcia

It's quasi-fascism; even if it brings concessions and genuine QoL improvements to the proletariat, it still relies on all the hallmarks of capitalism, including the exploitation of the third world.

Jeremiah Jackson
Jeremiah Jackson

with automation new jobs open up as well.

Dylan Price
Dylan Price

Because social democracy is dead and nothing will bring it back and make it work this time. Even in the nordic countries the remnants of the social democratic parties are just regular liberals now.

Angel Cook
Angel Cook

im perfectly aware of what social democracy is

obviously not if you think Social democracy is something without a capitalist welfare state

Asher Cruz
Asher Cruz

not enough of them

Charles Parker
Charles Parker

Sounds like a porky to me

Thomas Reed
Thomas Reed

Who? The Chinese? Or me? Or OP?

Colton Johnson
Colton Johnson

Social democracy is a meme at this point and doesn't stand for anything.
That's a fact.

Lucas Roberts
Lucas Roberts

.t the amish

Andrew Price
Andrew Price

When proletarians control the means of production they'll implement an effective welfare system without the use of the state.
No, they'll do it with the use of the state, as the state is literally the only mechanism we have for mass organization needed for generalized welfare.

Tyler Morgan
Tyler Morgan

Haven't socdems in Europespent the last 30 years working to implement austerity policies as part of larger """left""" coalitions? That could explain why people don't like them.

Evan Butler
Evan Butler

Automation only reduces workweek

Jackson Long
Jackson Long

Nobody ITT has mentioned that socialdemocrats are the reason we don't live in socialism today
They singlehandedly destroyed world communism a century ago. May their treachery never be forgotten.

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Dylan Jackson
Dylan Jackson

Truly our greatest enemy are those that claim to be our allies but stab us in the back every time we get close to accomplishment.

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Jaxon Garcia
Jaxon Garcia

Ah yes, social democracy, or as I like to call it, capitalism.

Jack Williams
Jack Williams

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Tyler Jenkins
Tyler Jenkins

Again, as I've already stated, I'm well aware of the revisionist and reformist take over of the movement. I'm content to continue with the social democratic tendency in it's original usage. Democratic socialism has received the same degradation of meaning and so I'm not interested in concerning myself with the reframing of different terms. I stand aligned with the social democratic Marxist movement and reject reformist and revisionist notions.

Ian Davis
Ian Davis

Why is social democracy so hated here when alongside unions i

Because Zig Forums unironically is a good board!

t actually helps the working class on a practical basis?
no.

Hunter Perry
Hunter Perry

see

Julian Hughes
Julian Hughes

Anyone who thinks capitalism and exploitation are good things as long as you have a red star on your hat.

Aaron Stewart
Aaron Stewart

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Blake Jones
Blake Jones

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Cameron Reed
Cameron Reed

Social democracy is preferable to libertarian capitalism but is not enough. I'll always go with it if my choices consist of those two, like on a ballotage, because I actually want my people to live better. Socialism may not come as soon as I want to, but that's why I participate in a political party, you can't force it to the masses.
Also, "accelerationism" (as in worsening the conditions of the proletariat) is a ridiculous concept.

Isaiah Rivera
Isaiah Rivera

Sorry I submitted my post early. I also wanted to say that this "no compromise" left is hurting the movement like no other thing in my fucking country. My country's left parties are almost all trotskyist. We have like 20 different fucking parties which differ in a couple things and they don't want to join forces because their party is the TRUE socialism. None of them would ever think of joining forces with succdems either, even if that means that they will NEVER have any fucking power or means of improving the proletarian conditions.

I know succdem is shit, but it's a step in the better direction. Is achieving the perfect idealist socialism in 100 years more important than improving society in this moment? I really don't think so.

Lincoln Hall
Lincoln Hall

Social democracy only ever happens because actual socialists agitate and the bourgeoisie get spooked that some real shit might go down. Social democrats can't be relied upon to put their ideology into practice. They almost always need the help of people to their left to make the "opening bid" that the ruling class talks the proles down from.

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Levi Reed
Levi Reed

You can clearly see in the gif that they're moving the trashcans to another location. The reason antifa do this is to block roads and make it harder to get vehicles into the area.

Wyatt Garcia
Wyatt Garcia

Social democrats provide the illusion that capitalism is okay and should keep continuing while porky continues to undermine workers. SocDem parties can't survive in capitalist societies since they're just a tool of distraction. The only reason the West tried at all was because the Soviets were breathing down their neck.

Kayden Myers
Kayden Myers

I never get this argument. The Soviet Union also failed becuase of its own internal contradictions too which are no more glaring than the ones that face social democracy and controled capitalism. To be pessimistic, no regime or economic system lasts more than 25 to 50 years before morphing into something different. Only exceptions are maybe ancient egyptnfor the sheer stability of its cultural forms and such and maybe China

Isaac Rivera
Isaac Rivera

The soviet union didn't fall it was dismantled.

Jace Hughes
Jace Hughes

It wouldn't have fallen if people didn't want it to.

Cooper James
Cooper James

NOBODY WANTED IT TO, IT WAS DISMANTLED BY YELTSIN AND A FALSE FLAG COUP

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Angel Wright
Angel Wright

Why are you even posting if you don't know even the basic history of what you're posting about?

Matthew Miller
Matthew Miller

This is a board populated by wannabe revolutionary larpers, including ☭TANKIE☭s, anarchists and other autists. Remember, these people hate anything that actually benefits people in the real world, especially if it isn't through violence and shrieking of their shitty ideologies.

If anything, this is characteristic of the Left today.
They don't accept that meritocracy exists, that people can improve their lives. They bitch about capitalism for everything, they convince themselves that their personal failures are not their fault but "muh spooky capitalism".
These people will die religiously defending failed regimes, such as the Soviet Union or failed Anarchist communal shitholes.

They have no agreed upon alternative to global capitalism that respects the individual, how resources would actually be distributed, how utilities work, etc.
They can't decide on how incentives would work aside from magical thinking that people will do shit jobs, hold hands in a shitty commune all for their ideology.
And their bizarre fetishizing of "workers", "community", "collective", and using terms like "brothers/sisters" makes me think these are fucked in the head religious lunatics who view the world in Manichaean "Good vs Evil" worldview.

Anyways, for all its faults, and atrocities, I do not want to live in some communal shithole where I cannot own things and cannot have a private life free from the "collective".

Gabriel Martinez
Gabriel Martinez

Shut the fuck up liberal.

Logan Fisher
Logan Fisher

meritocracy exists

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Brody Morales
Brody Morales

The Referendum in march of 1991 was not legally binding in any way. Gorbachev was trying to use it to bolster his party's legitimacy during a period of political decentralization and to validate his opening up policy without losing control of the union.

New political posts were created to this end, eg. the presidency of Russia, and Yeltsin was elected president of the Russian Republic in July of 1991 and Gorbachev, who held soviet leadership bumbled along, attempting to control Yeltsin and others via appeasement, by deferring more powers to the republics.

With these actions Gorbachev made his own position tenuous and effectively irrelevant, resulting in a power vacuum at the highest post of the USSR. The august coup was an attempt by elements of the Supreme Soviet to fill the power vacuum and reverse decentralization, it failed as the troops stationed in Moscow proved loyal to the Russian president. Yeltsin became the dominant figure in the union instead.

He promptly pulled Russia out of the union thereby ending it (the union apparatus relied on Russian portion of budget to function), He induced shock market reforms which involved selling off all state assets as quickly as possible to raise capital for building of a private sector, much of the raised capital ending up in various pockets; this inadvertently induced chaos and destroyed the economies in Russia and surrounding republics (which were highly integrated with the SFSR).

Aaron Davis
Aaron Davis

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Isaac Ross
Isaac Ross

dude everything was absolutely fine until some meany guys just like came with tanks and shit i dont know dude
Try reading about the years prior to the dissolution you fuck.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union

Eli Long
Eli Long

Yeltsin became the dominant figure in the union instead.
He promptly pulled Russia out of the union thereby ending it

Justin Robinson
Justin Robinson

that gadaffi one is so good, but i can't find it without that dumb watermark

Daniel Baker
Daniel Baker

some communal shithole where I cannot own things
Honestly I doubt you actually own any capital. If you do then enjoy it while you can cause we're taking that shit, faggot.

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Robert Myers
Robert Myers

Lucky for you i know how to use ms paint.

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Cooper Torres
Cooper Torres

Yes just like social democracy has been dismantled, it stands to reason. It wouldnt have been dismantled had it notngotten caught in its own contradictions no? I dont mean to be blacklilled i just want to show that socialism is neither a permanent state or solution and it runs into its own dilemmas just as capitalism does. Its uo to us to resolve them

Lincoln Gomez
Lincoln Gomez

It's a good entry point for liberals. I'd rather have social democracy then neoliberalism.

Jordan Cruz
Jordan Cruz

1. The Bourgeoisie retains control of the Means of Production thus Exploitation of labor continues.
2. The bourgeoisie stays wealthy while the working class continues to toil and remains poor with the new taxes Soc Dems implement for their programs.

You still aren’t getting the full value of your labor, people are still profiting off of you, Communism cannot be achieved this way.

tl;dr socdem is big gay.

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Liam Butler
Liam Butler

2nd pic
Damn, I just can't get over it. Put it on the banner

Tyler Miller
Tyler Miller

some soc dem facts:
all this nigger incel rage
Lmao eat a watermelon or something. You aren’t living his life. He doesn’t care about you. He would probably hate your attitude and knock you out cold after you screech about ‘muh BBC’. Fix your own life first, then talk. Go on about it like this:
Brush and floss your stained teeth
Shave off your neckbeard
Take a shower and start scrubbing the crust out of your fat folds
Maybe wash your dick cheese off after daily use while watching doujins also keep your rubbing the Peter down to under once a day so your prostate doesn’t get fucked
Even if you can’t see it, people will smell it from 10 metres afar
You probably were too lazy to use paper towels while fapping, time to clean your stinking bedsheets and wipe the dried cum off your greasy chair
Also don’t forget to wash your ass, wouldn’t want to attract the flies again, would you
Shave your jungle armpits and your baboon crotch
Then have a cold shower for 5 minutes
If you’re too much of a bitch unironically neck yourself.
Tada, first step done.

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Asher Ross
Asher Ross

The board is full of utopian ultraleftists who unironically defend Stalin. They will grow out of it i hope. Studying basic economics instead of political philosophy also helps.

Cameron Morales
Cameron Morales

Social democracy is fine, so long as we can still use violence against reactionaries and hate america

Dylan Thompson
Dylan Thompson

ultraleftists
stalin
"basic economics"
market "socialists" prove once again to be the biggest retards around

Jacob Morgan
Jacob Morgan

You aren't gonna get to final-form communism without traversing some intermediary steps of soc-dem.
Even the "violent revolution" route proves to be fruitless, because once the proles gain power they don't really know what to do or how to get into final-form communism in the short-term.

People here shit on social-democracy because it has an empirically bad record, it has a lot of risks and contradictions, so it becomes easy to critique communism implicitly if they attach to social-democracy.

David Mitchell
David Mitchell

and this is what socdems do
stay as vague as possible, throw in some accusations and smears against the working class and socialism, presenting that as their plus side and again simply just argue for preserving capitalism while getting proles fucked dry

Wyatt Walker
Wyatt Walker

well if corrupt, evil people overthrow the existing order using violence, by what miracle do you suppose they'd be able to create a more just or more equitable state of affairs? The essential thing we miss is not simply transformation of external material order, but also a co-substantial transformation of human moral excellence, dignity and humility. And this must begin individually and introspectively, it cannot simply be forced onto the populace via re-education and threats.

Samuel Russell
Samuel Russell

well if corrupt, evil people overthrow the existing order using violence
You're implying that workers are braindead sheep who will follow anyone into doing violence though.

Colton Jones
Colton Jones

You're implying that workers are braindead sheep who will follow anyone into doing violence though.
Not just anyone, they will usually follow someone charismatic or persuasive. History shows us this.
So a system founded on a bloody-immoral beginning will be unstable and the people in charge will not be high-minded, generous or humble.

Carson Sullivan
Carson Sullivan

getting destroyed in elections in the 2010s.

Well I mean America's a lost cause, but what about yuroop? 4chinz always told me those fellas were super gommie xDDDDDD

Liam Clark
Liam Clark

It's failing in Europe as well. Just look at how the SPD and Syriza got cucked.

Benjamin Gutierrez
Benjamin Gutierrez

SPD is dying and being replaced by Greens who are succdem with idpol on steroids (really imagine a party of stereotypical SJWs mixed with Clinton moms).

Succdems in France have died away (Parti Socialistes?)

Succdems in Greece got cucked

Only notable succdem movement left IMO is the UK and the Labour Party is more left than the SPD and PS

Justin Edwards
Justin Edwards

Labour Party
Labour is getting memed right now too. Corbyn had one shot to depose May and he fucked it up.

Aaron Barnes
Aaron Barnes

corrupt, evil people overthrow the existing order using violence
what is a vanguard party

Robert Sanchez
Robert Sanchez

Still much more popular than the SPD and friends. This might blow over in a while, but yes things did go south

Andrew Nelson
Andrew Nelson

Not really: that confidence vote was going to fail if the DUP wanted their gravy-train.

Aiden Evans
Aiden Evans

Ask any European communist. Socdems have mostly proven themselves to be traitors and supporters of neoliberalism.

Oliver Howard
Oliver Howard

Social democracy is just fascism with the illusion of democracy

Brandon James
Brandon James

Still, it helps the proletariat more than your non existent ML state. Use the tools you have instead of being such a trot.

Elijah Lopez
Elijah Lopez

I can't wait to be exploited, I even get a free trinket!
This post made by SocDem gang

Brandon Hill
Brandon Hill

not infiltrating the socdem government to make it more radical

Adrian James
Adrian James

do you want to get killed by the government?

Juan Sullivan
Juan Sullivan

imagine having fucking nothing and telling the people around you that they need to be more realistic and settle for less

Nathaniel Clark
Nathaniel Clark

Not even Nazis are this oblivious about what we stand for.

Lurk for at least one nanosecond.

Julian Foster
Julian Foster

How do you think capitalism came about? As an ideology? No, capitalism came as an expression of the material interests of the capitalists, over time. Ideology came after the fact, to understand, explain and justify. Communism is the same, an expression of the material class interests of proletarians. A revolutionary transformation of the economic life, just as capitalism was. Do you think the early capitalists had a carefully defined framework for liberal capitalism, 200-400 years later?

Your post is quite literally just ideological drivel, feels>reals kind of shit, to borrow the terminology of "your kind". I mean, just listen to this hilarious garbage: "Remember, these people hate anything that actually benefits people in the real world". Literal make-believe fantasies. Learn how to make an argument like an adult you fucking toothless dog.

Julian Sanchez
Julian Sanchez

exquisite bait my friendo

Austin Murphy
Austin Murphy

Then why is it that it has the most actual success in metrics of human happiness and why is its body count nil (see the Scandinavian model)?

Caleb Roberts
Caleb Roberts

Oh, you mean that small group of countries with insignificant populations that are reliant on german industry, which is reliant on intra-european imperialism of southern and eastern europe, the continued domination of france over many african countries and also global american-led imperialism?
Those countries whose welfare states are crumbling just like everywhere else?
Finland, where people off themselves at an incredible rate?
Norway, with its oil riches?
Sweden, with its nazi resurgence?
Denmark, literally hugging Europe's greatest industrial superpower?

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Cooper Jones
Cooper Jones

Why is social democracy so hated here when alongside unions it's the thing that actually helps the working class on a practical basis?
perish you succdem

Camden Martinez
Camden Martinez

I agree with you OP, even though socialism would be a thousand times better, it's simply not realistic right now. Not in the sense that "socialism doesn't work lmao" but in the sense that a revolution is so far away it's pointless to think about right now. People has been saying that capitalism will fail anytime now for almost a century.

Levi Cruz
Levi Cruz

socdems are capitslist turncoats and get a double ration of bullet

Isaac James
Isaac James

People has been saying that capitalism will fail anytime now for almost a century.
It's failed over and over again over the past century you stupid bastard

Sebastian Stewart
Sebastian Stewart

It fails so hard that it keeps being more alive than ever

Logan Anderson
Logan Anderson

Yeah, life sure is great now aint it.

David Ross
David Ross

Oh, sorry, I didn't know we were talking about how good life is or how great capitalism is.
Nice goalpost move tho.

Ryan Martin
Ryan Martin

Working conditions have verything to do with capitalism’s viability. We are seeing strike movements throughout the world because capitalism can no longer provide even the most basic of reforms. The financial markets are in the midst of collapse, governments are remilitarizing and heading towards WW3, and global warming threatens human civilization….yet somehow you can’t help to bow down before your god capitalism thinking it’s invincible

Christopher Clark
Christopher Clark

Yeah, sure. Keep believing that buddy, but history already proves that this doesn't lead to a major change. I bet you a blowjob that neither I nor you will see a communist revolution in our lifetime.

Cooper Roberts
Cooper Roberts

history already proves that this doesn't lead to a major change
History proves the opposite. It was the opposition to WW1 that led the Bolsheviks into power and this threat of communist revolution is what scared the capitalists into passing social democratic reforms. It was infact after the dissolution of the socialized forms of property in the USSR in the 1990's that led to the undeniable political bankruptcy of social democracy. Since then the scandanavian countries have experienced a huge decline in standards of living and massive privatization schemes. Hell, now the "social democratic states" are no longer fit to hold that title, as the declines of living conditions has led to the resurgence of fascism there as well.

Its people like you who preach pessimism that are obstacles to any sort of real change. Don't believe in socialism? Fine, then step out of the goddamn way and let the rest of us who actually want to better our lives fight for it

Asher Cox
Asher Cox

This thread smells like larper

Carter Rivera
Carter Rivera

because actually helping the working class is literally killing rosa
because whining about feminists and circlejerking over muh soviet aesthetics is building socialism
because muh stalin said so

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Landon Smith
Landon Smith

I can't be the only person who cringes so hard my arse ruptures when I see that meme. It's embarrassing.

John Wilson
John Wilson

imagine having an emotional reaction to shitty twitter jokes you don't like

David Clark
David Clark

Communism is a meme at this point and doesn't stand for anything.
ftfy

Jordan Rodriguez
Jordan Rodriguez

haha

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Justin Collins
Justin Collins

Most people here don't give a shit about the working class they just want to LARP in their USSR uniforms.

Jordan Clark
Jordan Clark

The policies which allowed social democracy to exist are always overturned upon the working class becoming pacified, and in the moment of crisis, spending policy is scaled back and austerity is implemented in order to save as much of capital as possible. Crisis, guaranteed unemployment, the problems of production for exchange (overproduction, pollution, inability to meet social need), the encroaching threat of neoliberalism, and the fact that the bourgeois continue to control all sources of information mean that social democratic reforms can only be temporary. Just look at the demands of social democrats from the late 1800s and early 1900s and compare them to see how much it has been declawed.

Let's just look at the nations which had social democratic reform and see how much they've been fucked. Australia and the UK's socdem reforms are completely dismantled, Germany's are scaled back significantly, France's labour protections were destroyed in months because of abuse of a state of emergency, and even the Scandinavian states which liberals love so much are being scaled back with time and ground between right wing parties cutting them apart and liberal parties refusing to reinstate them to any meaningful degree.

Ayden White
Ayden White

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