George Soros just asked the whole world to declare war on China

David Torres
David Torres

I think everyone should read this. It's a speech George Soros just made at Davos. It's one of the most shocking things I've ever read tbh. I thought that whole Soros thing was an anti-semitic conspiracy theory but he just went to Davos and laid out a very explicit regime change plan calling on the whole world, and specific countries, to take highly specific measures to destroy China and referred to high-level US policy makers directly and said his plan was the new plan and their plans are gone. He matter-of-factly states his regime change role in countries around the world and his past failed plans for regime change in China, naming names, dates and times.

The headline does not capture what was said by any means. This may well be the most important political speech delivered in this generation. I'm genuinely shook.

Seriously read this article. It will change everything you believe about politics.

wired.com/story/mortal-danger-chinas-push-into-ai/

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Sebastian Russell
Sebastian Russell

I thought that whole Soros thing was an anti-semitic conspiracy

George Soros is an evil person
He's also jewish

There is no conspiracy there

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross

It will change everything you believe about politics.
It changed nothing what I believe about politics. Soros is a well known anti-communist subversive to us.

Daniel Brown
Daniel Brown

china is still totally gonna implement socialism any day now
Stop, dude.

John Green
John Green

I guess but did you really think that George Soros could get on the podium at Davos and dictate US foreign policy on the spot.

James Ward
James Ward

I don't think you're really ready for the insane race-war that Soros is asking for. We're going to get a new cold war where the ideological through-line is "are you anglo?"

Benjamin Harris
Benjamin Harris

Seriously read this article. It will change everything you believe about politics.
I smell a shill

Grayson Long
Grayson Long

You'd be freaking out if you lived during the 1920s
REEEE REVISIONIST LENIN IS REVERTING TO CAPITALISM

Leo Long
Leo Long

I know it won't. Doesn't change the fact that Soros is already on our shitlist, and calling for rival bougies to be stamped down is not surprising. It's called "multi-polarity".

War with China was already on the menu for US the second it tried to challenge the petrodollar, before Soros ever opened his mouth.

Jaxson Carter
Jaxson Carter

No I am just shook. I clicked on that article expecting a few soundbites to shore up the new yellow peril narrative. Instead I found something else.

Liam Taylor
Liam Taylor

Real Talk. Soros is just a Liberal. He doesn't like it because AI means that it's possible for us to make a Stalin that is 100% incorruptible and won't get poisoned by Cornmen.

Joshua Barnes
Joshua Barnes

War with China was already on the menu for US the second it tried to challenge the petrodollar, before Soros ever opened his mouth.

Soros specifically address Matthew Pottinger, who is on the US national security council, refers to some kind of China War plan he has and apparently everyone at Davos is privy to, says it's not good, and replaces it with his own.

Hunter Sanders
Hunter Sanders

Soros is far from the first to raise an alarm about the dangers of AI technology. It’s a favorite topic of Elon Musk, and last year Henry Kissinger called for a US government commission to examine the technology’s risks.

jesus fuck tech nerds and neocons walking hand in hand, as if things couldnt get worse

Andrew Brooks
Andrew Brooks

Silicon Valley needs to be nuked.

Hudson Kelly
Hudson Kelly

That's just Wired BS. Not the interesting part of the article.

Kayden Perez
Kayden Perez

China isn’t the only authoritarian regime in the world, but it’s undoubtedly the wealthiest, strongest and most developed in machine learning and artificial intelligence. This makes Xi Jinping the most dangerous opponent of those who believe in the concept of open society. But Xi isn’t alone. Authoritarian regimes are proliferating all over the world and if they succeed, they will become totalitarian.

As the founder of the Open Society Foundations, I’ve devoted my life to fighting totalizing, extremist ideologies, which falsely claim that the ends justify the means. I believe that the desire of people for freedom can’t be repressed forever. But I also recognize that open societies are profoundly endangered at present.

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Joshua Flores
Joshua Flores

What I find particularly disturbing is that the instruments of control developed by artificial intelligence give an inherent advantage to authoritarian regimes over open societies. For them, instruments of control provide a useful tool; for open societies, they pose a mortal threat.

I use “open society” as shorthand for a society in which the rule of law prevails as opposed to rule by a single individual and where the role of the state is to protect human rights and individual freedom. In my personal view, an open society should pay special attention to those who suffer from discrimination or social exclusion and those who can’t defend themselves.

By contrast, authoritarian regimes use whatever instruments of control they possess to maintain themselves in power at the expense of those whom they exploit and suppress.

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Jack Wood
Jack Wood

Yeah, that's usually how Dictatorships of the Bourgeoisie work

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

My deep concern for this issue arises out of my personal history. I was born in Hungary in 1930 and I’m Jewish. I was 13 years old when the Nazis occupied Hungary and started deporting Jews to extermination camps.

I was very fortunate because my father understood the nature of the Nazi regime and arranged false identity papers and hiding places for all members of his family, and for a number of other Jews as well. Most of us survived.

The year 1944 was the formative experience of my life. I learned at an early age how important it is to be rich… Ahem I mean,

The year 1944 was the formative experience of my life. I learned at an early age how important it is what kind of political regime prevails. When the Nazi regime was replaced by Soviet occupation I left Hungary as soon as I could and found refuge in England.

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John Nelson
John Nelson

Can't just some right wing schizo epic magapede just shoot this fuck?

Benjamin Martinez
Benjamin Martinez

posting the empirically wrong man saying "It didn't have to be like this"
How appropriate, because it's the only way it could be at all.

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Cameron Kelly
Cameron Kelly

less than a decade vs 40 years of capitalism

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher

He's outright saying that technology has to be stopped. Like we just have to stop doing research. Stop designing. Don't make any AI. Don't use it. How tenable is that position? Are we just going to be stuck here in 2019 for the rest of human history?

ofc not and ofc AI is not going to destroy the world. But the war against technology will be miserable to suffer through. Thanks, Open Society Foundation.

Christian Ortiz
Christian Ortiz

At the London School of Economics I developed my conceptual framework under the influence of my mentor, Karl Popper.

That son of a fuck Popper strikes again, we were literally taught him in school as a rebuttal to Marxist sociology

Running a hedge fund was very stressful. When I had made more money than I needed for myself or my family, I underwent a kind of midlife crisis. Why should I kill myself to make more money? I reflected long and hard on what I really cared about and in 1979 I set up the Open Society Fund. I defined its objectives as helping to open up closed societies, reducing the deficiencies of open societies and promoting critical thinking.

My first efforts were directed at undermining the apartheid system in South Africa. Then I turned my attention to opening up the Soviet system. I set up a joint venture with the Hungarian Academy of Science, which was under Communist control, but its representatives secretly sympathized with my efforts. This arrangement succeeded beyond my wildest dreams. I got hooked on what I like to call “political philanthropy.” That was in 1984.

In the years that followed, I tried to replicate my success in Hungary and in other Communist countries. I did rather well in the Soviet empire, including the Soviet Union itself, but in China it was a different story.

Thanks Soros!

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Jose Nguyen
Jose Nguyen

Are we just going to be stuck here in 2019 for the rest of human history?
I hope so! Everything was fine until 1999 after that nothing else needed to be made.

Nicholas Kelly
Nicholas Kelly

London School of Economics

🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Fabians🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

Logan Robinson
Logan Robinson

Literally this. fpbp, you guys need to understand that when the revolution occurs, capitalists will obviously be killed. Some will be jewish. It literally doesn't matter at fucking all.

Christian Moore
Christian Moore

How tenable is that position?
Not at all. A system of cooperation like that is called "communism", but this little turd is stuck in "capitalism", a system of competition.

Michael Martinez
Michael Martinez

An attitude emblematic of US millennials.

Colton Hughes
Colton Hughes

A joint venture called the China Fund was inaugurated in October 1986. It was an institution unlike any other in China. On paper, it had complete autonomy.

Bao Tong was its champion. But the opponents of radical reforms, who were numerous, banded together to attack him. They claimed that I was a CIA agent and asked the internal security agency to investigate. To protect himself, Zhao Ziyang replaced Chen Yizi with a high-ranking official in the external security police. The two organizations were co-equal and they couldn’t interfere in each other’s affairs.

Applicants to the China Fund soon noticed that the organization had come under the control of the political police and started to stay away. Nobody had the courage to explain to me the reason for it.

Eventually, a Chinese grantee visited me in New York and told me, at considerable risk to himself. Soon thereafter, Zhao Ziyang was removed from power and I used that excuse to close the foundation. This happened just before the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 and it left a “black spot” on the record of the people associated with the foundation. They went to great length to clear their names and eventually they succeeded.

did this fuck just try to claim credit for Tiananmen Square on the sly?

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Isaiah Baker
Isaiah Baker

Real talk. All of you need to look into the 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Fabians🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 and the London School of Economics.

Adrian Moore
Adrian Moore

In retrospect, it’s clear that I made a mistake in trying to establish a foundation which operated in ways that were alien to people in China. At that time, giving a grant created a sense of mutual obligation between the donor and recipient and obliged both of them to remain loyal to each other forever.

Clearly that's not the case here in the West, we just give out grants to anyone no matter their ideology!

I’ve been concentrating on China, but open societies have many more enemies, Putin’s Russia foremost among them. And the most dangerous scenario is when these enemies conspire with, and learn from, each other on how to better oppress their people.

The question poses itself, what can we do to stop them?

The first step is to recognize the danger. That’s why I’m speaking out tonight. But now comes the difficult part. Those of us who want to preserve the open society must work together and form an effective alliance. We have a task that can’t be left to governments.

History has shown that even governments that want to protect individual freedom have many other interests and they also give precedence to the freedom of their own citizens over the freedom of the individual as a general principle.

My Open Society Foundations are dedicated to protecting human rights, especially for those who don’t have a government defending them. When we started four decades ago there were many governments which supported our efforts but their ranks have thinned out. The US and Europe were our strongest allies, but now they’re preoccupied with their own problems.

Yeah you really protected the Palestinian people by not doing anything about Israel and pulling out your psyops from there, Zionist fuck.

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Hudson Anderson
Hudson Anderson

Xi presents China as a role model for other countries to emulate, but he’s facing criticism not only at home but also abroad. His Belt and Road Initiative has been in operation long enough to reveal its deficiencies.

It was designed to promote the interests of China, not the interests of the recipient countries; its ambitious infrastructure projects were mainly financed by loans, not by grants, and foreign officials were often bribed to accept them. Many of these projects proved to be uneconomic.

The iconic case is in Sri Lanka. China built a port that serves its strategic interests. It failed to attract sufficient commercial traffic to service the debt and enabled China to take possession of the port. There are several similar cases elsewhere and they’re causing widespread resentment.

Malaysia is leading the pushback. The previous government headed by Najib Razak sold out to China but in May 2018 Razak was voted out of office by a coalition led by Mahathir Mohamed. Mahathir immediately stopped several big infrastructure projects and is currently negotiating with China how much compensation Malaysia will still have to pay.

I agree with him ironically enough, but this news story was nowhere in the mainstream press, I only saw it on here.

All these setbacks have forced Xi Jinping to modify his attitude toward the Belt and Road Initiative. In September, he announced that “vanity projects” will be shunned in favor of more carefully conceived initiatives and in October, the People’s Daily warned that projects should serve the interests of the recipient countries.

That's good I guess

Julian Reed
Julian Reed

Most importantly, the US government has now identified China as a “strategic rival.” President Trump is notoriously unpredictable, but this decision was the result of a carefully prepared plan. Since then, the idiosyncratic behavior of Trump has been largely superseded by a China policy adopted by the agencies of the administration and overseen by Asian affairs advisor of the National Security Council Matt Pottinger and others. The policy was outlined in a seminal speech by Vice President Mike Pence on October 4th.

Even so, declaring China a strategic rival is too simplistic. China is an important global actor. An effective policy towards China can’t be reduced to a slogan.

It needs to be far more sophisticated, detailed and practical; and it must include an American economic response to the Belt and Road Initiative. The Pottinger plan doesn’t answer the question whether its ultimate goal is to level the playing field or to disengage from China altogether.

More US neocolonialism! How come China gets to have all the fun??

The unspoken social contract in China is built on steadily rising living standards. If the decline in the Chinese economy and stock market is severe enough, this social contract may be undermined and even the business community may turn against Xi Jinping. Such a downturn could also sound the death knell of the Belt and Road Initiative, because Xi may run out of resources to continue financing so many lossmaking investments.

On the question of global internet governance, there’s an undeclared struggle between the West and China. China wants to dictate rules and procedures that govern the digital economy by dominating the developing world with its new platforms and technologies. This is a threat to the freedom of the Internet and indirectly open society itself.

Because the tech giants you're in bed with totally don't want to dominate the internet and close down discussion to profitable and socially acceptable forms right?

This doesn’t mean that those of us who believe in the open society should remain passive. The reality is that we are in a Cold War that threatens to turn into a hot one. On the other hand, if Xi and Trump were no longer in power, an opportunity would present itself to develop greater cooperation between the two cyber-superpowers.

It is possible to dream of something similar to the United Nations Treaty that arose out of the Second World War. This would be the appropriate ending to the current cycle of conflict between the US and China. It would reestablish international cooperation and allow open societies to flourish. That sums up my message.

Yeah sure, another toothless body in thrall to global capital that can't do anything anyway.

That's the end, it's fucking nothing. He's not dictating US policy, the warmongers won't listen to him because they don't even believe in liberalism let alone utopian liberalism.

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Zachary Robinson
Zachary Robinson

Woah, damn bro. I’m shook af. How could this be possible. The Jews were actually a conspiratorial cabal the whole time, praise Alex Jones.

This seems like a /pol/lack bait thread. Nobody here is going to be surprised that random billionaire bourgie dipshits have close ties to the state or opinions on geopolitics. Soros is an avowed anti-communist and liberal reformer. He is ideologically committed to opening markets and spreading bourgeois state control. The CCP continued to be a threat to the developed western countries and their allies because it is its own geopolitical power block, they have disagreements about how to handle it. Nothing new here.

Daniel Hernandez
Daniel Hernandez

It’s not random billionaire bougie. The contents of the speech dispute that. The random billionaires are the audience members. It turns out that apparently it matters a whole hell of a lot what George Soros says at Davos. The relationship the world had with China yesterday is radically different than today, because of this speech.

Dylan Butler
Dylan Butler

What’s surprising is that a fair amount of that stuff is meme arrows is wrong. Like for example Sri Lanka wanted the port built and approache China and other. nations for funds, and China doesn’t have control over it, despite having ownership. Japan’s navy is docking there. Anti-China attitudes of election results are now being challenged. These are big stories that the big papers rushed to splash on their front pages but the reality is a lot different and more “complex”. The social credit dystopia stuff is almost completely a western fiction.

Grayson Perez
Grayson Perez

It doesn't matter if it's true or not as long as Soros can continue to push the Big Lie of Liberalism.

Isaiah Gonzalez
Isaiah Gonzalez

Reminder again that this is nothing new and Soros has always had a policy of regime change, especially towards socialist or red-leaning countries.

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Christian Morris
Christian Morris

do it yourself, psycho freak

Bentley Thompson
Bentley Thompson

no u

Jack Bailey
Jack Bailey

No it isn't. Billionaires give dumb talks all the fucking time. Makes them feel self-important.

Dylan Smith
Dylan Smith

I agree that social credit seems interesting and it's not so simple to label it dystopian, but China has absolutely been annexing parts of Africa/Asia in stacked corrupt finance deals.

ft.com/content/e150ef0c-de37-11e7-a8a4-0a1e63a52f9c

Dominic Price
Dominic Price

ft.com
If your going to link to articles behind a paywall, outline it so everyone cans see outline.com/XUfeVL

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