Hikikomori

Is hikikomori syndrome caused by extreme alienation?
All their stories kind of sound the same: fear of leaving home because of rigid hierarchical structure that his little patience for weakness, misplaced anger that causes them to lash out, fear of being controlled.
It doesn't look like something that's a typical mental health dilemma because of the cultural implications.
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Is making duplicate threads syndrome caused by extreme alienation?

I have no idea what happened.
It didn't post the first time and I thought my internet cut out, so I tried posted again.

For real now though, I'd say yes. A question though, is hikikomori the same as neet? Or is there supposed to be a difference?

They often go hand in hand because NEETs (not employed, educated or training) often get depressed, feel isolated and then hermetize after a few years. I'd say a hiki almost has to be a neet, maybe at the most having odd jobs when their psyche allows them to function socially to some extent. But someone with a regular job is not a hiki, at least, not full hiki, though you can have hiki tendencies, such as avoiding contact at work and locking yourself up.

I meant it as in if they are also mantained by their parents/welfare. But I see what you mean, though for the most part we have this idea of NEETs being happy with their lives and smug against wagecucks. I suppose hikis are depressed NEETs, but not the usual understanding of what we have of them.

when I leave my home I am surrounded by reggaton, so I stay home to avoid the reggaton

hikkis are caused by society for sure. it's one thing that they're anxious, but their anxieties are often legitimate. how are they supposed to meet society's standards when society puts up barriers to their efforts?
etc.
socialism solves a huge part of what causes hikkis.

It's important to remember that Hikki's / NEET's almost always come from families that are independently wealthy to the point that they can just afford to live at home all day without any income
It is a awful burden on pretty much everyone else in the family who ends up having to take care of them basically

True, but a lot of times the family structure is a big part of why they are the way they are.
I'm also not so sure that many of them wouldn't become homeless as an alternative.

You know, from all the stories I've heard of how bad it is for both the families to keep supporting their NEET sons/daughters and for those NEETs to stay with their parents, you come to realize how much sense a strong welfare system makes. You could give NEETs free housing, healthcare, education, basic income etc. and they'd be LESS of a burden than they currently are.

Japan's Hikkis depend on the Japanese welfare state don't they?
Anyway it's caused by the extreme competitive attitude resulting from capitalism.

No, the japanese welfare state almost doesn't exist outside healthcare, most of them are either freeters or live off their parents.

Things like the rise in neets and Hikkis not just in Japan but across the world along with the demographic crisis already occurring in man western and Asian societies will help accelerate us towards the end of capitalism faster than anything else eill. When boomers start dying en mass, gen xers begin to age out of work, and then climate change ramps up on top of all of that and there's a crunch in the labor pool it's going to tank the global economy and if the economy is already in the shitter by the time all of this converges it will basically create one big long depression that will feedback loop in the economic sphere in an almost mirror fashion to the environmental negative loops.

More Lax immigration won't fix this by the way. It might postpone it but not long enough for automation to become viable and institutionalized (the real endgame that the majority of the ruling class desires) and ultimately it will behoove most ruling class porkies to simply move toward a neofascist direction in order to cling to control. Any massive immigration will be used to demonize workers from other nations and the "degenerates" Who defend them and used to justify massive purges and cleansing

It's not really a question of if all this is going to happen but how soon and how quickly it will. It's up to the Left I guess if it ends up being an opportunity for revolution or just a dystopian hellscape

Other than food what's there to take care of?

Chinese have a saying: “eat bitter". Lots of meanings but boils down to enduring suffering provides meaning to life. Conversely, a life without a chance to overcome suffering is a meaningless life.

Sounds like boomer nonsense.

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Could be. Chinese are an old civilization. Maybe wisdom, maybe boomer bs. Pleasure can’t be the only goal, amiright?

you need suffering in order to experience any pleasure tho

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Life is already painful enough, you don't need to enhance the pain.
Just try to enjoy it.

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Wow, this is really brilliant. This level of logic and clarity of thought is very rare and to come by, and in such a mundane forum… I feel privileged. A smile of joy came across my face as I realized the depth and soul of clarifying truth in your words. Thank you.

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Np I love explicitly refuting dumb statements such as the one you provided.

kek I love SPURDO GANG

Really sounds more Nietzschean philosophy than boomer wisdom to me.
Communism shouldn't aim to end all suffering. We'll just end up with a shitty "last man" kind of situation. Instead the aim should be to open up higher forms of suffering.

Men can overcome almost any challenge except not being needed. Not being useful.

This does sound like Peterson-tier boomer wisdom. Women experience the same problem. They just tend to cope (or fail to cope) differently.
My question though: People should ideally be able to derive their own sense of purpose. What makes this impossible under capitalism?

maybe he meant humanity as a whole don't get ahead of yourself mate

There is a paradigm for society but this can't be the sole guiding principal for how men live and organise their lives.

Men need to feel useful and needed in their tribe. Men need to overcome challenges to feel useful. Greater the suffering from challenges, greater the pleasure he will derive from overcoming it.

If challenges are not available or if not sufficiently deemed worthwhile (welfare will feed you), then men will have no way to prove their worth, their usefulness to the tribe.

that sounds like a more americentric desperate-for-attention view of life. in the more collectivist cultures (ex. indians, chinese, koreans, japanese, mexicans, serbians) i've witnessed men are more focused on having a good time together than this individualistic "need to feel useful and needed in their tribe."

You probably witnessed them outside of their originating culture. I.e. in US. Their tribe is their imediate family first and foremost and their expat community second.

Witness them in their own culture and see how cutthroat they are yo each other.

What are you absolute retards even talking about
Persons, people, humans, men, or what ever other word you wish to use, all strive for perfection, for some sort of self actualization, everyone should have a goal that leads them forward or else they will just fall apart and escape into insanity.
The goals, and the way people get to them will always be different though, but to say autistic Zig Forumsyp level shit with MUH TRIBE MUH SUFFERING shows that you know shit about what Peterson talks about.
Let's go with your example
In today's world, getting a shit job you hate just to feed yourself and your family is the easiest thing in the world, but THAT is not a fucking challenge, it's not something that falls into your autistic "USEFUL FOR THE TRIBE" shit.
People shouldn't be forced into doing things that they do not want to do just because they need to buy a loaf of bread and pay for housing. Living to work just so you could go through the month is not life, you don't grow or change, you are not becoming what YOU SHOULD BECOME. Shit like "midlife crisis" or any other sort of identity crisis are literally tied to capitalism, how at one point the individual figures out that they wasted their life on shit that is not them, how they didn't have time to work on themselves because of the need to feed themselves.

All this autistic drivel about culture and tribe just goes to show that you don't and never actually belonged to one. On one side you say how
But at same time you say
WHICH ONE IS IT THEN?
How the fuck can you be a useful, productive member of any society if all of you are ready to jump on eachothers throats?
Capitalism is literally pitting men against men while dangling a nonexistent prize above their heads.

appeals to the idea of the tribe and tribalism is the most trite bullshit there is. it's basically naturalistic fallacy and vulgarized and outdated anthropological theories that are as old as the fucking 19th century. To me it's as though it's the vestiges of a reading thinking public long ago whose descendants scorned reading and have been passing down these retarded theories generationally ever since. this obsession with tribalism and its persistence also says much about its usefulness for justifying the status quo and giving a facade of theory and respectability to masculinity (grug must provide for his women, grug must protect women!, woman breed with all tribes man if i no protect!)

Yikes and bluepilled.

why is this country spheres

Not sure what you're trying to say. Pretty sure my ramblings we're not all that difficult to follow. If misquoting and misrepresentation of ideas convince you've that you've won, then all the more power to you.

I hope this debate served to enhance someone's understanding at least a little bit.

not him, but i've always had the idea in the back on my had that suffering may give results. not the typical suffering tho, more like stress and determination while doing something

Suffering without sacrifice, suffering without cause, suffering without redemption, without recognition is the worst kind.

The situation is sad and dire.

Yes.

100% caused by alienation brought on by late stage capitalism.

hikkomori's would not exist at all in a communist society, literally impossible.

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fucking kill yourself you literal faggot

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this is me except cloud rap, whatever nightwalk is, alcoholism and PS1, and drugs prolly

That which does not kill us makes us stronger. Discipline, endurance and knowledge that you can increase your strength is always something that you can carry forward with.

I remember being in so much back pain that it too me 20 min to walk 20 steps to take a shit. Knowing that I survived this made every other back spasms bearable.

Vicious cycle of alienation, loneliness and shame. It fucking hurts.

just remember that as a communist then you always have your comrades.

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but really what is /nightwalk/?

how expensive could it be to just sit in your room all day and drink water/eat ramen

i guess walking around at night for fun

Need a commune. A real community where we can trust and encourage and teach each other. This capitalistic consumerist society focused on material wealth is killing us slowly.

we need a violent revolution where we exterminate the bourgeoisie and their reactionary faggots. then we can worry about building a society based around communal-ism since capitalism wouldn't be able to destroy it.

just remember you have comrades who share this vision with you, who care about you just because you belong to the struggle and understand the immortal emancipatory science.

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Taking lives without cause (they're sheep) should be looked upon with disgust and abhorrence. This attitude does not help any cause except that of the establishment which is already too eager to label us extremist.

the bourgouise are not sheep. a war is coming if you think killing blatant reactionaries hell bent on chanting "throw communists out of hellicopters" and nazis then you have more reading to do

Being a hikkikomori is caused by being able to be a hikikomori. At no other point could you stay in your house like this, so at no other point did people do this. It isn't important anyways.