No idea if this has been addressed but what’s the consensus regarding women...

Jonathan Martin
Jonathan Martin

No idea if this has been addressed but what’s the consensus regarding women in the far right? What’s the appeal for them? Far right vs lefty women (differences)? Are women starting to be more drawn to fascism as opposed to Marxism? Is it for attention primarily?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_feminism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Delphy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Hennessy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevi_Jackson
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_feminism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminization_of_poverty
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Hayden
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_burden
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monique_Wittig
youtube.com/watch?v=n8RiXlmzN6w

Dylan Richardson
Dylan Richardson

What’s the appeal for them?
a lot of the women in far right circles are just doing it to get attention and/or patreon gibs from thristy virgins and don't really care much about muh traditional values.

Wyatt Green
Wyatt Green

The girl that wants to be one of the guys just wants to be the only girl

Robert Gutierrez
Robert Gutierrez

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Andrew Young
Andrew Young

los creaturos

Jacob Howard
Jacob Howard

Dumb question. It all depends on the adherence of agency within the structure/super structure of a specific femoid. Any anecdotal evidence is speculative and reactionary.

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Chase Evans
Chase Evans

These are a bunch of conservative stepford wives. These aren’t fascists. I see more and more of these “fascist” women popping up on social media. Their accounts are all carbon copies of each other. Selfie after selfie with some edgy memes and “it’s the jooo’s!!!” thrown in for good measure.

Kevin Martinez
Kevin Martinez

Feminism is increasing being looked at as ugly and women typically don't want to be seen as ugly
Also there is a huge lack of masculinity on the left where as the right tends to have more guys who exercise. Women tend to prefer strong men to weak

Women are drawn to what is popular with high quality men.

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Colton Edwards
Colton Edwards

explains why there is a lot of femoids on /pol
Oww rly m8 ? That Nordic qt clearly lets newfags know to lurk more..

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Owen Diaz
Owen Diaz

womens march, largest march in american history

but feminism is unpopular and ugly

ok. and you are the "high quality men," /pol/? get a grip on reality.

Jaxon Sanders
Jaxon Sanders

<explains why there is a lot of femoids on /pol
Oww rly m8 ? That Nordic qt clearly lets newfags know to lurk more..
thats not what i said

womens march, largest march in american history

but feminism is unpopular and ugly

I said increasingly unpopular and viewed as ugly

womens march
vocal minority.

ok. and you are the "high quality men," /pol/? get a grip on reality.
second time in 5 minutes /pol/ is mentioned, do you people have a complex or something?

Levi Martin
Levi Martin

consensus regarding women in the far right
Most of the far-right considers women to be barely sentient cattle.

Also many leftypol brainlets are extremely opposed to feminism because of various structural reasons. Their loss.

Eli Diaz
Eli Diaz

Also many leftypol brainlets are extremely opposed to feminism because of various structural reasons. Their loss.

its better that leftist reject feminism all together than be open to them.

Cooper Nelson
Cooper Nelson

Many here reject feminism because of its obsession with idpol

Tyler Rogers
Tyler Rogers

Female false consciousness
Bourgeois versus proletarian feminism, user

Joshua Collins
Joshua Collins

"idpol" is a meaningless umbrella term that serves a dogwhistle for "stuff i don't like and you should dislike too". Most idpol-obsessed posters rely on crude caricatures.

Ryder Sanchez
Ryder Sanchez

It would be better for you to read a fucking book.

Eli Powell
Eli Powell

Bourgeois versus proletarian feminism, user
feminism can be forgotten about. Any problems facing women will get solved with communism

<im so butthurt
lol /liberalpol/index.html

Nathaniel Ross
Nathaniel Ross

hahaha ur butthurrt lmaofzgbhergbgetgi

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Kayden Jenkins
Kayden Jenkins

reported for shitposting

Ayden Baker
Ayden Baker

It means identity politics. Feminists don't give one fragment of a fuck about class and economics, it's all about identity to them, which is a mile deep sticky quagmire which is damn near inescapable once you get stuck in it,

Blake Peterson
Blake Peterson

I wish being fucking stupid would be a bannable offense but we'd end up being like 4 people on this board. Read up about materialist feminism before embarrassing yourself, you dumb fuck.

Levi James
Levi James

Feminists don't give one fragment of a fuck about class and economics, it's all about identity to them, which is a mile deep sticky quagmire which is damn near inescapable once you get stuck in it,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_feminism

Thank you based retard for chiming in on a topic you obviously are clueless about.

Wyatt Adams
Wyatt Adams

materialist feminism
Oxymoron. Emphasis on moron.

Michael Sanders
Michael Sanders

wow, really nice one, how about you read a fucking book instead of trying to make witty comebacks, something you evidently are incapable of?

Christian Allen
Christian Allen

feminism can be forgotten about. Any problems facing women will get solved with communism
“WHY AREN’T WOMEN JOINING MEEEE”. You retards are the reason why idpol reaches the caricature levels that it does

Eli Kelly
Eli Kelly

The concepts of theory and practice escape you. Such a thing may theoretically exist, but in reality? Fat fucking chance. Feminism is female supremacy at this point, and has no place in the far left.

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Wyatt Rogers
Wyatt Rogers

Sage mode is not a downvote. Read less books.

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Charles Ward
Charles Ward

I wish being fucking stupid would be a bannable offense but we'd end up being like 4 people on this board. Read up about materialist feminism before embarrassing yourself, you dumb fuck.
<you're dumb for not liking what i like

No feminism is complete liberal trash

Kayden Reed
Kayden Reed

<feminism is a bourgeois ideology
how about material feminism
<that doesn't exist
evidently it does, given there is like a billion theoretical texts you've never read of heard about
<nuh-uh ur just salty and butthurt lmaoooo

This is why leftypol is an embarrassment. You're pretty much like /pol/ users who call leftism "globalism" and think it's handouts and teaching sharia law to transgender kids.

Justin Roberts
Justin Roberts

WHY ARENT WOMEN JOINING MEEEE
T. Literally fucking nobody. Since when has anyone on this board cared about gender, save for cretins like you

Cooper Myers
Cooper Myers

MUH THEORETICAL TEXTS
Show it happening in practice in a modern time, then we can talk. I can theorise about the existence of invisible dragons, but that's useless without proof of their actual existence.

Benjamin Hernandez
Benjamin Hernandez

Either false consciousness or for attention.
The goals of communists align with that of a feminists but not always vica verca

Carson Robinson
Carson Robinson

The goals of communists align with that of a feminists but not always vica verca
like i said. Any problems facing women will be solved with communism so there is no need to be specifically feminist.

also people and movements that identify with the feminist movement are cringe

Andrew Garcia
Andrew Garcia

AOC said you can be a capitalist and a socialist, therefore its true xD
handouts and teaching sharia law to transgender kids
still better than feminism

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Michael Fisher
Michael Fisher

feminism is when half the execs are women
leftism is when u give free handouts to people from minorities
wow rly strong theory you got there

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Delphy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Hennessy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevi_Jackson
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_feminism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminization_of_poverty
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Hayden
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_burden
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monique_Wittig

if i don't know about it it doesn't exist!!

Literal children.

Jackson Long
Jackson Long

It takes effort to strawman this hard

Benjamin Williams
Benjamin Williams

Keep telling yourself that. I'm not going to waste anymore time ITT.

Leo Hill
Leo Hill

Fuck off back to your tumblr blog then, this is an idpol free board.

Jayden Powell
Jayden Powell

Also there is a huge lack of masculinity on the left

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Zachary Taylor
Zachary Taylor

yes there is its bad

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Levi Hernandez
Levi Hernandez

fuck it i'll bite. why dies masculinity matter.

Elijah Powell
Elijah Powell

I guess that's rigth for America but here in Germany they don't get this at all when they go full far-right

Mason Scott
Mason Scott

I was answering OP's question

why are women attracted to fascism?
the men are more masculine than leftists today

Luke Perez
Luke Perez

hi reddit

Jeremiah Green
Jeremiah Green

It's no different to the general far right attraction. It is a radical alternative to the Neoliberalism. Besides, factually, our quality of life and satisfaction is on the systematic - so there is another reason to be reactionary. Because good old times were factually better, as far as an individual life is concerned.

Hunter Brooks
Hunter Brooks

The very fact "material feminism" needs to be separated from "feminism" tells you that feminists do not generally center their views in any sort of materialism; distinctions like "Marxist feminism" and "material feminism" exist to separate those views from other varieties of feminism, which are neither Marxist nor materialist. Feminism as a whole has been bourgeois historically.

All you've done thus far is "crude" this, "embarrassment" that, posted a bunch of Wiki links, and offered nothing to substantiate your view that one should not be skeptical of feminism, all the while pretentiously assuming an intellectual high ground and not deigning to argue anything.

One can point to a number of people who identify as "Marxist feminists" and the like, but, supposing that those few people aren't actually idealists (some, like Wittig, are surreptitious idealists), that does not in itself imply that feminism as an overall movement shouldn't be regarded as bourgeois idealism.

Liam Green
Liam Green

Besides that one cyberpunk cosplay, Id pol and a bad tatoo I have problems seeing what's wrong on the right.

Adrian Jenkins
Adrian Jenkins

/liberalpol/index.html

Easton Collins
Easton Collins

You showed me.
muh ebil gay people

Bentley King
Bentley King

I think a distinction here needs to be made between the far-right in continetintial Europe and the far-right in the anglo-sphere. In Europe the far-right definitely seems like they are capable of attracting women to their movements (particulary in Eastern Europe where fascism and ultra-nationalism are more mainstreamed), though I'll avoid making some baseless claim about whether they are having more or less success attracting female recruits than the left.

In the Anglo-sphere by contrast the far-right is literally totally failing to attract women to their movement. A big part of this failure results from women's sensitivetey to the strong social stigma associated with being biggoted in this part of the world. Probably more important though is the far-rights misogyny and total failure to explain how their project is beneficial to the fairer sex.

I honestly think both we and they underestimate how badly this undercuts their long term chances of success. The best part (for us) is that they're caught in a double bind. Such a huge part of their recruiting is based on promising incels a virgin sex slave, they can't really backtrack on their whole women are property viewpoint. Regardless of whether the whole happy tradwife idea is true or not, modern women wan't to be able to choose their own partner and exit relationships if they go sour. Any political project which has a central goal of denying them these freedoms will not be attractive to them.

This is why far-right groups are almost entirely male with some female grifters/attention whore media figure heads (who btw are all unmarried "roasties), meanwhile socialist groups are typically like 30-40% women. Also well this probably seems like an absurd exageration, I have never met a single young Women who doesn't find socialism/communism an appealing idea.

Kevin Foster
Kevin Foster

Anglosphere reactionaries have are mostly american-style libertarians types (an artifact of settler-colonialism) and as such strongly resent contemporary women for working and often blame them for the "fall of the west."

Jack Morales
Jack Morales

high quality men
far right

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Connor King
Connor King

I'm a masculine-looking guy. Actually as masculine as it gets, and I fuck twinks often because i like it. I fuck girls too, but maybe you craving some moustache-wearing big men is a telling sign already.

Evan Harris
Evan Harris

Hit the nail on the head here. The overwhelming majority of women just don't find being property (more specifically, property of the State) appealing. You will never convince women that they'd totally be happier in some Victorian-era LARP society. The Left needs to swoop in when needed and say to them that under socialism, they can have an incredible work-life balance which, historically, they did. We won't demand all women either work or stay home, they will have that choice and freedom unlike the rightists who want to make the latter the law.

Carson Hernandez
Carson Hernandez

femoids

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Parker Phillips
Parker Phillips

My impression is that the lot of them just ended up in the far-right by way of their boyfriend.

Ian Nguyen
Ian Nguyen

cuz they don't know marx

Landon Barnes
Landon Barnes

100% pure masculine thought is autism

autism meshes with fascism well, ingroup and outgroup is easy to understand with zero nuance and is entirely superficial.

Thomas Morales
Thomas Morales

maybe in the u.s, where genuine leftism only seems to exist in a few largely irrelevent orgs like the IWW or Democrat Cops of America, or in the u.k, but I don't get much of a manlet vibe when looking at Greece, russia, india, nepal, philippines, turkey, or hell, even japan, (which admittedly are too socdem) where JCP gatherings seem to be made up of mostly normal-looking middle class people.

Evan Ortiz
Evan Ortiz

While I don't think it's true that alright are more masculine than lefties, from what I've seen most groups are full of average top below average people like the general population, I think you are partially right.
Most rightwing groups in general talk about and idolise masculinity where lefties don't and so it would build a perception that they are what they idolise.
However anyone who knows much about the right wing knows that there is a big difference that and the reality.

Levi Fisher
Levi Fisher

In what world is the modern fascist considered the masculine ideal for women? Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever met a fashy woman before.

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Christian Morales
Christian Morales

most groups are going to look like the average person however there tends to be more of a lifting/self improvement culture on the right
youtube.com/watch?v=n8RiXlmzN6w

Caleb Sanders
Caleb Sanders

Dworkin literally wrote a book about EXACTLY this.

Isaac Bailey
Isaac Bailey

The comments on that video are gold, thank you for sharing.
I'm not sure how it is in Amerika or even western europe, but people usually tend to avoid skinhead looking types.

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Xavier Lewis
Xavier Lewis

They're 100% rape fetishists. They just want a big strong man to throw them around, tell them what to do, humiliate them, ect. It's all sexual pathology.

Adrian Evans
Adrian Evans

slavs aren't white

THE INFIGHTING IS REAL I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST A MEME

Asher Stewart
Asher Stewart

It may be my supposed mexican-raping-genes but i'm pretty left and i have rape fantasies from time to time honestly.

Jason Russell
Jason Russell

It's like the difference between someone who sees furry art and thinks its hot, and someone who dresses up like their fursona when they have sex and insists one wearing cat ears in public.

Nolan Walker
Nolan Walker

there is a huge lack of masculinity on the left where as the right tends to have more guys who exercise.
t.
burger tranny which got on Zig Forums because voting democrats was not edgy enough

While party members of marxist parties tend to have more bookworms that fascist parties, which excel over any other parties in count of meth users, most leftists I know are either in shape thanks to manual labour job or realize that mind can consume theory and violent revolution is easier done in healthy body. Get a job. Leave your comfort circle. Get to know people around you.

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Logan Barnes
Logan Barnes

implying the revolution will be won by people and not by stealing a nuke and blackmailing the entire world until full communism it's implemented

Ayden Morris
Ayden Morris

implying that just stealing the nuke would mean threat larger than greatest suicide mission in history of mankind
implying that revolution would not be won by declaring your local government's jurisdiction independent socialist republic and making deal with True Korea supplying not only the nuke, but also firing system and courses for revolutionary vanguard how to use it without blowing up themselves
you sound almost like liberal, kiddo

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Nicholas Jones
Nicholas Jones

calling women "them" and treating them as a mystifying "other"
being against idpol

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Samuel Gomez
Samuel Gomez

i love Elijah Wood

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart

some whtie women are smart enough to realize that living among PoC apes is hell on earth

Luis Barnes
Luis Barnes

bbc sex revolution when

Brody Taylor
Brody Taylor

Also there is a huge lack of masculinity on the left where as the right tends to have more guys who exercise

This just isn't true, have you seen the proud boys? They're all either skinnyfat or just straight up fat. Furthermore eventhough the fascists stress the importance of masculinity and exercise it's just a pose, most of the times they are confronted they lose, eventhough they constantly carry knives. Hell, where i live Soldiers of odin quit after a dragqueen knocked one of them out with a beer bottle.

Jace Watson
Jace Watson

You can't argue with superior Aryan genes. Facts don't care about your feelings.

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Joseph Stewart
Joseph Stewart

there is cringe on both sides however the right has more of a lifting/self improvement culture than the left

Ian Foster
Ian Foster

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Jeremiah Sullivan
Jeremiah Sullivan

2811054
Even though he's cringe he kind of looks adorable. Seeing the left pic where he smiles to the camera while hugging his grandma (I think) gives me a warm feeling. Looks like a child in an adult body.

Brody Turner
Brody Turner

that kid who would use wikipedia as source

Blake Ramirez
Blake Ramirez

To respond to OP, they're usually bourgies who won't be affected by the retardation they advocate.
muh masculinity
reminder that malnourished soy gooks PTSD'd a generation of well fed imperialists

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