US-run border ‘provocation’ to topple Maduro set for February 23, Moscow warns

Lucas Adams
Lucas Adams

US-run border ‘provocation’ to topple Maduro set for February 23, Moscow warns.

Moscow has warned that a “provocation” intended to topple Nicolas Maduro is set for this Saturday, which will involve a US-run aid convoy that could spark border clashes between government and opposition forces.
Crisis-plagued Venezuela is now on the brink of sliding into all-out turmoil, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told reporters on Friday, warning that Saturday would be crucial for President Nicolas Maduro’s government.

A dangerous large-scale provocation is scheduled for February 23
The US-run “provocation” may take shape of an aid convoy crossing the Venezuelan border
and provoking clashes between “supporters and opponents of the current government,” Zakharova explained.

rt.com/news/452179-us-venezuela-provocation-border/

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Samuel Flores
Samuel Flores

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Such an incident could provide an opening for “a coercive action” to oust Maduro from power. The remark comes just days after the Venezuelan president closed the border with Brazil amid a row over humanitarian aid.

He indicated that he could also close the key border with Colombia to stop the opposition from using relief as an advantage to gain popular support. An aid convoy that tried to penetrate the border earlier on Friday was led by the self-proclaimed interim president, Juan Guaido.

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Aiden Fisher
Aiden Fisher

What happened to the glowniggerillas who did the helicopter attack a few months back? That was one of the first big glownigger provocations.

Jace Roberts
Jace Roberts

a few months back?
that was the drone attack
the helicopter attack was like a year or more ago

Aaron Davis
Aaron Davis

As your typical burgernigger I don't follow these things much, what was the drone attack?

The helicopter thing they had a professional photo of a super srs red haired guy and a few others and a video of them at the presidential palace or something like that. Apparently they were some retired army dudes

also they literally had this exact kind of thing happen today with the venezuelan national guard killing some protesters, top news on plebbit

Grayson Sanders
Grayson Sanders

what was the drone attack?
suicide drone attack on Maduro during a parade

Juan Cox
Juan Cox

helicopter guy is dead.

Camden Richardson
Camden Richardson

Thread music because that concert at Cucutá was the shittiest thing I´ve ever seen.

youtube.com/watch?v=W7muCRio2nQ

Luis Morgan
Luis Morgan

Situation continues to fall apart. The coup is not going nearly as smoothly as it was supposed to. As a USian I have no idea how serious Maduro's support is among people, but it seems far less united against the government than our fp hands promised.

Cameron Collins
Cameron Collins

oh yeah

I thought he would be better protected

Christopher Campbell
Christopher Campbell

iirc he posted a youtube video announcing himself as a martyr before getting killed in a gunfight.

Jack Bailey
Jack Bailey

As a USian I have no idea how serious Maduro's support is among people
Most Venezuelans support Maduro, including most of the military (which is what actually matters for the purposes of a coup). At this point it looks like the US will either cut their losses or start a war.

Ryan Johnson
Ryan Johnson

I hope they do the former. A more clear-eyed view from the US position would show that they haven't actually lost anything, at least according to their own theory of how regime change is supposed to happen. They are actually in a stronger position now and can wait for another crisis moment.

Blake Turner
Blake Turner

anyone else find it ironic that in this situation maduro is calling for closed borders and strong national defense, while guaido is calling for open borders and promising Free Stuff?

If Maduro just calls for a wall maybe trump will have an epiphany and switch sides.

Xavier Rogers
Xavier Rogers

Fake news

Isaiah Sanders
Isaiah Sanders

US-run border ‘provocation’ to topple Maduro set for February 23, Moscow warns.
What are the chance we can get the word out about this ahead of time?

Austin Collins
Austin Collins

Let's just hope this doesn't turn Venezuela into another US client state

Oliver King
Oliver King

folks, I gotta tell ya, Chavismo? There's some pretty good ideas in there, Chavez? Bolivar? Very nice guys, wanted the best for their country, a lot like me actually

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Charles Wilson
Charles Wilson

This is not news. Everyone knows an aid convoy is planned for today, and a lot of people are expecting that it will spark violence.

Brayden Wilson
Brayden Wilson

The US and Venezuelan opposition want to ram these trucks through Venezuela’s borders. International humanitarian groups refuse to participate. Red Cross says this is “not humanitarian aid”
Police tell me they are waiting for the order from President Duque to send the trucks in and demonstrators might cross with them. Some demonstrators told @HelenaVillarRT they’re prepared for violence.
twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1099312163972370434

sounds like this is going to happen at multiple border crossings, probably try and trigger Venezuelan forces to fire on them to stop them and use that to justify military intervention

Hunter Robinson
Hunter Robinson

I don't think they'll take the bait. They're banking in the border guards being a bunch of thugs, which is a huge if.

Andrew Sullivan
Andrew Sullivan

guaido already captured a bridge

Ayden Perez
Ayden Perez

LIVE
youtube.com/watch?v=h8eHxBhzPWg

Jordan Torres
Jordan Torres

Oh boy I can't wait for the horde of burgers thinking they're being fucking hilarious by parroting the same 2 or 3 stale memes about "socialism" at each other.

Charles Walker
Charles Walker

Who here /Pro-Maduro gang/?

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Jeremiah Green
Jeremiah Green

Assuming what he says is even true…

Adrian Bailey
Adrian Bailey

This is actually a crazy thing to say for a hundred reasons. one reason, it's a call for global martial law.

But this spin had to go through the ringer so many times… The US wanted it to be the military shooting aid convoys. Instead, it's the people. Rubio will never change his mind, but I really hope some bigwigs in the US are reconsidering.

Ayden Ortiz
Ayden Ortiz

The US wanted it to be the military shooting aid convoys. Instead, it's the people.

But you can always report it as if it's the military anyways. Who's going to stop you?

Mason Thomas
Mason Thomas

Never trust a succdem.

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Bentley Baker
Bentley Baker

#feelthebern

Jason Perez
Jason Perez

My prediction is that Venezuela will be steamrolled by the US. Maduro gets got and even talking about socialism in the US becomes illegal. I dont' have any faith anymore. We're all just going to fucking die.
Trump will not allow even basic bitch social democrat reforms to take place, he will just straight up call in the FBI and will just straight up murder us all. /pol/ gets the last laugh. Ain't that a riot?

Wyatt Jones
Wyatt Jones

I wish we had 80's Bernie running, like when he was praising the FSLN and Fidel Castro

Connor Gutierrez
Connor Gutierrez

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Jose Perry
Jose Perry

"wow bernie plagiarizes a woman once again, what a sexist" - donut twitter, probably

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Leo Long
Leo Long

Awful.

Sebastian Myers
Sebastian Myers

youtube.com/watch?v=oTf__erQgWQ Colombian woman who migrated to Venezuela for better conditions shows her support for Maduro.

Andrew Ross
Andrew Ross

Reptilian bernie is shit.

Dylan Phillips
Dylan Phillips

TULSI GABBARD IS NAZBOL

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Gabriel Butler
Gabriel Butler

Seriously am disheartened by this. There is now another senator, Chris Murphy, who actually took a stance against this farcical weaponization of humanitarian aid, but Bernie couldn't even manage to point out what an obvious setup it is. We can't even say "well, he's the best we got". He's a very influential politician, and one of the most credible candidates for the next president of the united states. He should have done better, it matters what he says.

Aaron Williams
Aaron Williams

Everybody knows, everybody knows. That´s how it goes. Everybody knows.

Christopher Edwards
Christopher Edwards

Daily reminder you can only establish socialism in the first-world by bringing it to Year Zero.

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Jose Green
Jose Green

This vexes me. I am very vexed.

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Nicholas Adams
Nicholas Adams

This sham intervention in Venezuela is a message to socialists in the U.S. It has significant symbolism they are targeting a communist country. The liberal media and their so-called liberal owners who claim to be dedicated to progress are allying with the right wing… despite invitations to ally with the DemSocs. CNN hired a hardcore right winger and the equivalent of a female Alex Jones named Sarah Isgur to control their 2020 election coverage. She will edit, direct and narrate all of CNN’s election related news. Outrage is profitable to CNN whereas DemSoc policies are not so they’ll attempt to throw the election to right wingers. Furthermore, the neoliberal Democrats are probably being paid to lose. After purposefully losing the election both the Dems and CNN will pretend to be #LeResistance again while admitting some mistakes. In fact, Dems right now have the power to destroy the right wing’s reputation with subpoena power… but choose not to.

The plutocrats are noticing socialists growing support and political organization. They see the popularity of a few politicians who are working on very modest reforms such as proposing higher minimum wage, healthcare, marginal tax rates, education and better work conditions. These proposals are met with enthusiasm by most of the working class. However, the bourgeoisie investments have stagnated, heavy industry is operating far below capacity, corporate profits and agribusiness exports are declining. Large landowners and industrialists need to slash wages and raise prices on sustenance and rent. They need the state in turn to provide them with massive subsidies and tax exemptions. In order to finance this corporate welfarism, the populace needs to pay the federal taxes (where the bourgeoisie don’t), while social services and welfare expenditures need to be drastically cut

To impose this full measure of austerity upon workers and the poor, the ruling economic interests need to abolish democratic rights which helped the masses defend their modest living standards. The solution is to smash organized labor parties, leftist political organizations and civil liberties. Industrialists and big landowners want someone at the helm who could break the power of organized laborers and impose a stern order on the masses. For this task the Trump cult, armed with his gangs of police force worshippers, seems the likely candidate.

Trump will target socialists.

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Austin Powell
Austin Powell

If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand fucking times
THERE IS NO HOPE FOR AMERICA.

Julian James
Julian James

Soon the people of Venuzuela will know what it means to live in a capitalist utopia. They think they are starving now. Just wait. The rich and the corporations will turn their country into a golf course and put all the natives to work in fast food or scrubbing toilets.

Alexander Nelson
Alexander Nelson

DSA on suicide watch

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Henry Harris
Henry Harris

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded, everybody rolls with their fingers crossed. Everybody knows the war is over, everybody knows the good guys lost. Everybody knows the fight is fixed. The poor stay poor and the rich stay rich. It's how it goes.

Noah Ward
Noah Ward

twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT
This NYT piece says plan is to "peacefully import foreign aid". Not entirely true - some are using the aid to try to pick a fight. Article also says convoys are a "test" of Guaido's credibility. But he doesn't control anything - so what are we testing?

Oh look at that, based democ—

1 hour later
5/ Maduro is evil, and the U.S. should pursue a strategy to undermine him and prompt new elections
We argue that U.S. had legitimate interests in weakening Maduro. And we believe in democracy promotion in Venezuela. We just worry Trump is doing it very badly.

NEVER TRUST<<

Adam Wright
Adam Wright

Why would we be able to do a better job of it than the media that is already putting this stuff out? I agree with the sentiment but sentiment alone doesn't count for much.

Jaxon Gray
Jaxon Gray

because the media is literally blatantly lying about the situation. Anybody noticed of late they don't even pretend to be objective, they just blacked out the Gilet Jaunes and the entire counter narrative on Venezuela

Thomas Butler
Thomas Butler

tbh it is fine to dislike and critique Maduro but everyone should resist any intervention into Venezuelan politics

Connor Gomez
Connor Gomez

it is fine to dislike and critique Maduro
As a liberal or socdem

Gavin Gray
Gavin Gray

tbh it is fine to dislike and critique Maduro
Why does everyone say this but never say what they think Maduro has done wrong? It's like there's this broad understanding that Maduro is a bad guy but no one can articulate why. Really makes you think…

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Dylan Kelly
Dylan Kelly

He’s hardly a guy like Saddam, most people do know that what fucked Venezuela was the collapse of oil prices and now the continuing sanctions. I don’t know how people get away with calling him evil n so on and demanding he must go. The opposition just could not win elections (which were fair!) so they decided not to participate in them to create this crisis and steal the government.

Josiah Davis
Josiah Davis

takes break from cutting wrists
looks at meme
cries
whimpers "You sure did"
resumes cutting wrists

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Austin Scott
Austin Scott

Fucking EXACTLY man EXACTLY!!! I keep hearing Maduro is this horrible dictator, but no one has given a solid reason why yet. They just expect people to take it as the truth, because they the MSM keeps repeating it. Also, you have you to be x brainless dipshit to think this humanitarian aid situation isn't staged, and that Venezuelans are so hungry they are resorting to cannibalism.

Blake Hernandez
Blake Hernandez

deploy generalisima Alexandria ocasio Cortez

she will defeat the imperialist fascists with reggaton music

Ryder Lopez
Ryder Lopez

i can't tell if it is really the baboon poster or the unfunny imitator

Austin Murphy
Austin Murphy

Reggaeton is imperialist

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Sebastian Powell
Sebastian Powell

Puelto lico was a mistake

Joseph Reed
Joseph Reed

isn't this the moment where a hispanic user pulls out an obscure reggaeton song featuring lyrics that support stalin, or something like that

Bentley Anderson
Bentley Anderson

It's Chavez they hate.

Tyler Cruz
Tyler Cruz

twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1099726515292508162

Brayden Smith
Brayden Smith

lol i found this one, guy's called Stalin El Grande, which means Stalin The Great youtube.com/watch?v=Hj3P7gAy5Ew

lyrics have nothing to do with stalin, tho

Nathan Martin
Nathan Martin

mobile.twitter.com/Federation/status/1099374815394308102

Not suspicious at all…

Nolan Moore
Nolan Moore

Rubio hasn't been seized by an angry mob yet
Biggest indictment of the American people tbh

David Lopez
David Lopez

Actual fucking false flagging
Holy shit…

Jaxon Lopez
Jaxon Lopez

I would love to see what Bible verses he uses when he's on trial for being a war criminal.

Dominic Murphy
Dominic Murphy

I don't even call them socdems. They're just welfare capitalists.

Anthony Moore
Anthony Moore

OH NO NO NO NO

Jace Morgan
Jace Morgan

good to know Rubio is young, when revolution comes we'll get to see him drawn and quartered on live TV

Leo Scott
Leo Scott

OH GOD OH FUCK

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Benjamin Johnson
Benjamin Johnson

If they really gonna see this through it will be one of the most illegitimate invasions in the eye of the public. Guaidó turned out of be hot air and has lost momentum with two or three days after his usurpation, and there are no opposition forces willing to start serious shit and life goes - relatively for such a crisis - on as normal. It would be seen as nothing but a war of aggression against a sovereign country, and there aren't even any reliable proxies within the country the US could rely on.

Kevin Davis
Kevin Davis

Implying there will be rationality in the ensuing decades of moribund imperialism/capitalism

Soon there will be naked fascism and all will be hell. All smiles.

Thomas Foster
Thomas Foster

There's no way the US could get away with this.
A direct military intervention in Venezuela would be the perfect scenario to exploit for the cause of anti-imperialism.
Venezuela is a relatively prosperous country, well maybe not "prosperous" but rich enough for the "pre-invasion and post-invasion" comparison images to be powerful enough on the internet.
Unlike many of the other recently invaded countries by the US and its allies, Venezuela has a strong pro-chavista media presence locally and on the internet that would immediately start uploading the air raids (or whatever tactic the international coalition would use against Venezuela) and the destruction causing international outrage. Don't know to what extent western media would be able to silence though.
Even if it's not international, if latin american solidarity against the US is achieved that would be great, a second wave anti-capitalist militias and governments is probably the best scenario if an invasion does occur.

Asher Allen
Asher Allen

“The Lima Group” said no to an invasion which was a no-brainer. Guaido is going to turn into a government in exile while siphoning off as much cash from the country as possible. Venezuela will be put under even more sanctions even though they are current under more than Iraq pre-invasion.

Benjamin Mitchell
Benjamin Mitchell

Went on Leddit and the amount of propganda floating around is insane. Wouldn't surprise if half or more of the popular posts and comments are 100% goverment or agency backed especially after the libs had blood lust after Maduro stopped the "aid". The entire site is some insane corporate buy off faking mass particpation and creating false narratives.
The Socialist and Communist shit pages atleast mostly agreed on non intervention.

Jeremiah Morgan
Jeremiah Morgan

Don't know to what extent western media would be able to silence though.

telesurenglish.net/news/Twitter-Erupts-After-2000-Pro-Venezuelan-Accounts-Are-Deleted-20190203-0017.html

Even if it's not international, if latin american solidarity against the US is achieved that would be great, a second wave anti-capitalist militias and governments is probably the best scenario if an invasion does occur.

Not with cucks like Colombia no.

Adam Rivera
Adam Rivera

Tfw all this does is provoke the rise of no nonsense Stalinism and Venezuela kicks out all its porky once and for all.

Leo Sanchez
Leo Sanchez

Hey Queen Cucks, what's with your BBC government propaganda news? Seems like they're more behind this war than even the American publications.

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Adam Long
Adam Long

They won’t even remember what they are mad about in a week.

Jayden Clark
Jayden Clark

BBC has been like that for years now. I noticed the Gaurdian flipped fully about three years ago. I think it was the switch to clickbait digital stuff that ruined them all.

Oliver Williams
Oliver Williams

Tfw, you'll never live in a communist dystopia.

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Adam Jenkins
Adam Jenkins

Everyone here should check the Venezuela subreddit and tell me (and them) what they think.

reddit.com/r/vzla/

Angel Johnson
Angel Johnson

Amusing how you think American's aren't really like that. In reality, the government probably doesn't have to astroturf support for intervention much at all. Just play a few clips in the media and Americans start baying for blood.

Ayden Nguyen
Ayden Nguyen

communist dystopia
<square circle

Cameron James
Cameron James

Just a friendly reminder that Venezuela was'nt, isn't, and will not achieve communism unless they become capitalist first, read Marx

we should support the invasion

now seethe at this post ☭TANKIE☭s
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Joseph Myers
Joseph Myers

Goodbye friend!

Thomas Parker
Thomas Parker

Offff

Aaron Russell
Aaron Russell

nice

Jaxon Thompson
Jaxon Thompson

based deng gang

Cooper Lee
Cooper Lee

First post ever on 8ch

What's the general consensus around here on the whole Venezuela situation?
Does everyone around here mostly support Maduro?
General argument against him is that by attempting to circumvent the Asamblea Nacional he is "usurping the will of the people" and that his last elections were a sham due to how many were barred from participating.
What's the pro-Maduro side of the discussion?

Blake Reed
Blake Reed

CHAVISMO IS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE
THE GUSANO GANG WILLINGLY DID NOT PARTICIPATE
THERE WERE COUNTRIES OTHER THAN BURGERVILLE THAT SAID THE ELECTIONS WERE FREE AND FAIR
THE HUMANITARIAN AID IS A WAY TO SMUGGLE IN WEAPONS
AMERICA WON'T EVEN TAKE CARE OF PUERTO RICO, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY WANT TO HELP ANOTHER SPIC COUNTRY FULL OF SPICS THAT THEY ARE OPENLY HOSTILE TOO?
MADURO IS NOT PERFECT BUT WE OPPOSE THE US TRYING TO CREATE ANOTHER VASSAL

Jayden Flores
Jayden Flores

Does everyone around here mostly support Maduro?
I'd hope so
his last elections were a sham due to how many were barred from participating.
The opposition deliberately chose to boycott the elections and discouraged the UN from observing them

Jose Walker
Jose Walker

Maduro needs to get his shit together from now on but the opposition are fucking retarded and shit, actively trying to sabotage the state itself.

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Christian Rodriguez
Christian Rodriguez

You don't need to support Maduro uncritically, but I'd hope that most people, except the eternal liberal, has learned by now that:
1. "Humanitarian" interventions aren't about being nice to the brown people or spreading democracy
2. Triggering a violent regime change might lead to civil war and an even greater humanitarian crisis
3. Handing the state back to the neolibs won't automatically make Venezuela a paradise or resolve the underlying class-struggles
4. John Bolton should be tried for war crimes

David Ramirez
David Ramirez

squae circle
<deathless purges

Jaxson King
Jaxson King

The opposition deliberately chose to boycott the elections
weren't multiple parties barred from participating (due to technicalities) and wasn't the leader of an opposing party imprisoned?

Definitely agree with 1-3. A military intervention is a military intervention, regardless of "intentions". Plunging a country into civil war and turning its cities into rubble is doubtless worse than some protesters being killed or civil liberties being suppressed.
Don't know enough about Bolton to comment on 4 but that's probably true considering the US military constantly commits atrocities with complete impunity.

That said, I still feel for the people of Venezuela whose suffering can't be blamed entirely on the Yanks. Those in charge of the country largely brought it to where it is, the people should be able to hold them accountable and not be victims of tyranny.

Gabriel Thomas
Gabriel Thomas

How the fuck do you manage to achieve communism and it is a dystopia?

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Juan Ramirez
Juan Ramirez

Last elections were rigged in Venezuela
During the last election the democratically elected guido becomes opposition leader
Guido's election were the only ones not rigged
Guido declares himself President of Venezuela
Guido begs the U.S. to bomb and invade the country he is President of
Sounds legit

Hudson Sanders
Hudson Sanders

During the last election the democratically elected guido becomes opposition leader
This is incorrect.
Guaido was elected in the 2015 elections.
The 2018 elections are the disputed ones.
Guaido was elected as interim president by the Asamblea Nacional (comprised of those elected in the 2015 election) as the AN does not recognise the 2018 elections and is following constitutional law in the event of a lack of presidency (elect an interim president until elections can take place).
In the AN's eyes there was no president, as Maduro's term had expired and no (recognised) elections had taken place yet.
Maduro instituted the Asamblea Nacional Constituyente in parallel to the AN in order to circumvent the opposition controlled body to change the Venezuelan constitution.

Levi Watson
Levi Watson

Hey, did or didn't this happen?

Grayson Adams
Grayson Adams

Yes

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Anthony Young
Anthony Young

And either way Guaido is not supported by the masses. Maduro may not be popular, but the people in Venezuela are in support Chavismo which Maduro in essense represents. If you do not side with what the people want you are a fucking liberal.

Hudson Miller
Hudson Miller

Guaido is not meant to be president for life, he is an interim president and his sole goal is to allow fair elections to take place.
The fact the opposition won the 2015 elections, all the irregular things Maduro did in the 2018 elections and the attempts to modify the constitution to gain more power and the sheer number of people who came out in protest of Maduro recently make me suspect that Maduro is not popular enough to win real elections.

Aaron Edwards
Aaron Edwards

his sole goal is to allow fair elections to take place.
His sole goal is to do whatever the fuck the US tells him to do

Jayden Lee
Jayden Lee

Guaido was elected in the 2015 elections
So Maduro is a dictator who didn't rig the parliamentary elections in 2015? He really sucks at dictating then.. That's pretty democratic of him, and hey all he got was someone begging for the international community to assassinate him.
The AN does not recognise the 2018 elections
Weren't these people elected? Maduro dropping the ball on being a good dictator.
is following constitutional law in the event of a lack of presidency
Did they actually write that in the event of a presidential election they think was rigged to beg the U.S.A. to bomb and invade their country? That's based.
In the AN's eyes there was no president
Not my President
Maduro instituted the Asamblea Nacional Constituyente in parallel to the AN
I'm sure someone asked Maduro what his take on all this was

So Maduro rigged 6.244 million votes to win in 2018. This must have left a massive paper trail. Where is it? I keep hearing about this big dictator, but he has a rather large democratically elected opposition.

Jack Ward
Jack Ward

This might be a stupid question, but I've been following everything since the beginning and I completely understand that US aid is a trojan horse to either topple the country by proxy or set up an invasion, but I want to know in this analogy who or what is the Trojans? Like in the method of A. Introduce Trojan Horse Aid, B. Trojans Leave Horse, C. Country Is Undermined, what does B look like?

Nathaniel Ward
Nathaniel Ward

weren't multiple parties barred from participating (due to technicalities) and wasn't the leader of an opposing party imprisoned?
The Green and Socialist parties aren't allowed to participate in major debates due to an archaic law about voter percentage. This basically shields Democrats and Republicans from having to compete with their answers to class warfare, climate action and wage slavery. They aren't jailed so much as muted. You have to write in Socialist candidates which isn't even allowed in some states.

Definitely agree with 1-3. A military intervention is a military intervention, regardless of "intentions"
The Neoconservatives literally eat babies! They have people eating out of garbage cans in major cities, and elderly people with no heating. People work 80 hours a week, and can hardly afford to feed their families. They've never known freedom or democracy. The U.S.A. will never have liberty without a military intervention.

Those in charge of the country largely brought it to where it is, the people should be able to hold them accountable and not be victims of tyranny.
Wew lad, I know! Even in the unlikely event someone is held accountable they get pardoned. Look at Nixon and Scooter Libby for examples.

Xavier White
Xavier White

USAID starts funding "human rights watch group"s and start generating news about how awful the current government is and how awesome toppling it would be.

Landon Reyes
Landon Reyes

No, I mean how does that become different when aid is let in? Is it just that it's seen as an admittance of needing help that is then leveraged? I thought with all the talk of a Trojan horse letting in foreign aid was somehow a more direct attempt at sabotage

Samuel Diaz
Samuel Diaz

It's a long-term coup strategy going back 20 years. Maduro was elected to the presidency twice, with re-election last year. The elections were free and fair and open to all parties. The only ones barred were a few politicians convicted of crimes years before the election. Most major opposition parties, in collusion with US coup strategy, chose to boycott in an effort to delegitimize the democratic process so they could say the country was a dictatorhsip and stage a coup backed by the US. One oppo candidate ran and was condemned by other opposition parties and the US. He got 21% of the vote. The election was monitored by some outside groups. Maduro wanted the UN to monitor them, but the opposition demanded the UN not do so.

The AN was not circumvented by Maduro. They were held in contempt by the supreme court for seating 3 members against court orders who won in rigged local elections. This is also part of the oppo coup strategy: reject the judicial branch entirely, reject the executive branch entirely, reject anything that isn't controlled by them as simply illegitimate. Then use their AN majority not to share power in a divided government and pass legislation aimed at the addressing the economic problems, but to block any effort to address these problems, worsen those problems, and use their AN powers and the ongoing crisis to overthrow the other branches of government and take over all power themselves. This coup was thrwarted when they were held in contempt. They were later disbanded after another election by the new constitutional assembly. Maduro has called for now AN elections.The latest nonsense with Guaido and "humanitarian aid" is just the latest coup tactic after the last one failed.

The crisis centers around the fact that the oppo leadership rejects the idea of shared power and divided government and will only use any power they have to overthrow the rest of the government and take over all power. Their position is simply coup d'etat, the total takeover of power and complete reversal of Chavismo, and always has been since Chavez, they've just had to back down at times because they didn't have the ability to carry it out. They see the economic crisis as their opportunity to finally carry it out. A new constitution will have to figure out how to make such a line impossible for any party or branch. This will be difficult because as long as the US is backing an oppo coup strategy there's no incentive for them to abandon it and engage in normal politics.

Dylan Howard
Dylan Howard

US wants to deliver ==HUMANITARIAN AID== and "free elections" ;). See how that works?

Kevin Lee
Kevin Lee

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Gabriel Garcia
Gabriel Garcia

countries can offer aid if they wish, by going through the normal channels. This purpose was to establish that outside groups, other countries and the "interim president" could violate VZ's borders, sovereignty and laws at will by dressing it up as "aid". Then establish channels and institutions separate from the government for transporting and distributing said "aid". Then begin including weapons shipments along with said "aid". Begin using the new institutions to set up parallel government, begin launching attacks with weapons you brought in with the "aid", create chaos, split country into "North Venezuela" and "South Venezuela", etc etc.

You can't just flout the laws and the government because you call what you're doing "humanitarian aid". If you want to give aid, go through the normal legal channels like everyone else.

Logan Hernandez
Logan Hernandez

Elliot Abrams, the Neocon heading up the logistics of this Humanitarian Aid Effort is the same gentleman who delivered weapons to Fascists in El Salvador disguised as Humanitarian aid, who subsequently proceeded to use them to murder over 80'000 Civilians in a brutal repression to overthrow the FMLN. He was caught doing this, it is public knowledge. Tell me exactly why over a week ago supposed "Humanitarian Aid" was delivered to a known inoperational bridge whereby it was then used to stage a photoop to proclaim that Venezuela wasn't letting in Humanitarian Aid? This so called Humantarian Aid is about getting key supplies to the paramilitaries that reside within the ranks of the opposition.

Ayden Ortiz
Ayden Ortiz

sheer number of people who came out in protest of Maduro
A small minority of a population of millions may still seem like a huge amount. Those gusanos do not represent the popular will of the people. They are traitors to the bolivarian republic and desire to enslave their countrymen which they do not view as equals because of lingering Spanish colonist thought, because many are mestizo, mulatto, or negro. They are begging the US to come in and slaughter hundreds of thousands if not millions like they did in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other countries further in the past like Vietnam and Korea.

Julian Stewart
Julian Stewart

purges = dystopia
if you're a kulak or class traitor maybe

Luke Murphy
Luke Murphy

How are the Chavistas supposed to respond and win against all this pressure?

Nicholas Myers
Nicholas Myers

I am aware of this you nonce I am asking what the particular strategy on the ground for the "aid" -→ coup attempt looks like.

Thank you user, this is all I was asking for. So the trojans are literal weapons hidden amongst supplies to be distributed to US coup supporters once inside the country and this exact strategy has been seen used to horrible effect before.

Eli Morgan
Eli Morgan

Didn't Lenin say those that don't work don't eat? In that scifi fiction. Those that don't work do eat.

Josiah Butler
Josiah Butler

Except they made it clear many times that everyone works. Or rather, everyone works on improving themselves and doing what they're the best at or what they like.

Christopher Jenkins
Christopher Jenkins

The fact the opposition won the 2015 elections, all the irregular things Maduro did in the 2018 elections
The Supreme Court of Venezuela says otherwise

Eli Long
Eli Long

You can't do shit other than run (immigrate to neighboring countries and the US) or fight against the government when the coup happens. If it happens it will 99% be a Latin American Iraq. Expect to see massive bloodshed and reactionaries complaining about Venezuelan refugees.

Angel Campbell
Angel Campbell

where are the mods when we need to ban retards spouting propaganda

Colton Walker
Colton Walker

Venezuela's Foreign Minister, Jorge Arreaza, went to UN and exposed to them of the fake "humanitarian" aid, but I doubt they are going to do anything.
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