What turned you to leftist politics? Pic related for me, I thought all leftists...

Mason Collins
Mason Collins

What turned you to leftist politics? Pic related for me, I thought all leftists were soy boy sjw dyel nerds but nick proves that you can be a leftist and not a cuck

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zigforums.com/thread/2770717/right-politics#q2771011
youtube.com/watch?v=MIA4cy7Aeag
journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.2005281
washington.edu/news/2011/10/07/babies-show-sense-of-fairness-altruism-as-early-as-15-months/
news.stanford.edu/news/2014/december/altruism-triggers-innate-121814.html
econ.ku.dk/Kalender/seminarerepru/11102017/paper/repeated-children.pdf
news.stanford.edu/news/2008/november5/tanner-110508.html
news.uchicago.edu/story/religious-upbringing-associated-less-altruism-study-finds
youtu.be/VUig0lFHDDw
youtube.com/watch?v=vm8XWRdME9Q
youtu.be/PWpmy7eYFHs

Grayson Long
Grayson Long

You are lying, you clearly have a crapitalist anarchist flag on.

Michael Lopez
Michael Lopez

i was using it as a meme and forgot to take it off

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

That's exactly what you would say, you fucking dissenter.

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Gabriel Flores
Gabriel Flores

In all seriousness, what turned me left was watching some breadtube videos, then going to leftist subreddits (which were basically leftist twitter screenshots) and made it here somehow.

David Baker
David Baker

I independently discovered the immortal science of dialectical materialism, planned to write a book on it, then I stumbled upon Marx when I was doing some research.

Xavier Sullivan
Xavier Sullivan

shitposting on here

Caleb Smith
Caleb Smith

You changed your politics because of a pretty boy?

Josiah Diaz
Josiah Diaz

I've never really been right-wing. I just eventually found intellectual figures whose ideas and speech resonated within me and broadened/deepened my understanding of politics, history, philosophy and social structures.

David Hernandez
David Hernandez

Literally who?

Caleb Carter
Caleb Carter

My father was a ex SS and hated the marxism, I hate him so… The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Levi Lee
Levi Lee

After spending my teenage years on /b/ I got serious trap-fever. I met a girl on Tinder that was a Democrat Cops of America organizer hit it off and after watching some lectures I eventually drank the koolaid - it’s the best of both worlds tbh and the sense of community (drama excluding ) is great

Brandon Miller
Brandon Miller

i hate the marxist too, fucking piece of shkt

Jeremiah Wright
Jeremiah Wright

To be honest I just want people to be nice to each other. In capitalism people are pretty mean but in communism they'll be nicer, or at least they won't be able to be quite as mean given the different ethos. I believed in this for a long time but it took me a while for me to find my way to here.

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Julian Russell
Julian Russell

father are you?.

Logan Rivera
Logan Rivera

son i have finally found the wrong in my ways, now i embrace marxism, but i'm still disappointed on you for choosing juche from all the fucking sides of marxism there are you fucking failure

Blake Carter
Blake Carter

Are you a cute girl user?

Leo Allen
Leo Allen

To be honest I just want people to be nice to each other.
Somewhat opposite tbh. I really don't give a shit how nice people are, and as I've grown more and more leftist so to has my hatred for other leftists. That doesn't mean I'm needlessly sectarian though, but it does mean that my non-sectarian attitude is built on a kind of mutual dislike for other tendencies/leftists.

Eli Turner
Eli Turner

well that doesn't mean you don't want niceness, you just hate the people stopping the world from niceness from existing

Julian Anderson
Julian Anderson

What wonderfult father, I'm happy you finaly found the real path of socialism but I feel sad that you aren't in Juche, considering is a perfect mix both internationalism and nationalism, better than Not Socialism thoughts. Juche don't denied marxism and don't atack it like hittlerfags did it.

Ayden Myers
Ayden Myers

I was a lifelong liberal that always held leftist views. I got way into Bernie 2016, like cult like devotion. Once that was over and the lingering sense of disappointment set in I was still a liberal. I followed a bunch of resistance twitter accounts and got into russiagate shit. Whenever one of them would tweet some braindead shit about Bernie I would unfollow them. That evolved into unfollowing them for bad takes in general. I followed anyone I would see who had takes I thought were good. I ended up with barely any accounts from resistance twitter and a bunch of rose emoji/hammer and sickle emoji accounts on my timeline instead. Over the course of the last 2 years I've embraced leftism. It's not easy to undo a lifetime of brainwashing overnight but I made a shitload of progress.

Andrew Martin
Andrew Martin

iktfb. i was a 4pol nazi kiddie but luckily i broke out of that shit.

Jeremiah Nelson
Jeremiah Nelson

Someone on the internet called me a communist so I googled it

Brandon Mitchell
Brandon Mitchell

cool

Oliver Martinez
Oliver Martinez

Archive Link: zigforums.com/thread/2770717/right-politics#q2771011
tl;dr Trade school redpilled me pretty hard. Always hated idpol, which funny enough eventually turned me to this place given that /pol/yps were obnoxious on /tg/ with theirs.

Luke Reed
Luke Reed

You niggas ready for Ismail from /marx/ origin story?

Back in 2001-2002 a bunch of people discussed Marxism on a forum I frequented. I didn't become a Marxist, but that's where my interest began. In the meantime I was basically a "left-liberal" type, the ones who liked Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Nader.

In the course of 2005-2006 I grew disenchanted with bourgeois democracy. I saw that both parties served the same reactionary interests. I identified for a few months as a "democratic socialist" and had an Olof Palme avatar, but a conservative user pointed out that capitalists would hardly give up their political and economic power without a fight, and that at least communists were smart enough to recognize this.

At the same time, I was in contact with two communists who were answering my simplistic questions (e.g. what's the difference between a worker and a peasant) and pointed me to sources. I joined RevLeft in May 2007, at which time I had become a Marxist-Leninist.

Ryder Russell
Ryder Russell

why is cumtown considered to be a leftist podcast? I enjoy it, but making an occasional jab at shillary or libertarians in between hours of dick/down syndrome jokes doesn't make it really "leftist". people here make it sound like it some serious, informative series of lectures, rather than just "look, here are a handfull of millenial comedians who aren't sjws, but at the same time, aren't reactionary frogposters", which is closer to reality.

Brody Nguyen
Brody Nguyen

It's kind of a meme. They're closely affiliated with Chapo and play it up as a joke.

Anthony Cox
Anthony Cox

His story is a lot like mine. Hopefully I don't end up as a dengoid apologist though.

Camden Cooper
Camden Cooper

Probably because Nick Mullen owns the Democrat Cops of America.

Ian Lopez
Ian Lopez

leftist since day 1.
by 14 i was an anarchist edgelord.
be at school.
anarchy button on my belt.
older kid asks me if i'm an anarchist in a condescending way
i get triggered and proceed with my edgy anarkiddie sperg;
"yeah i'm a anarchist, what about you? are you fine with living in a coorupt autoritharian fucked up world"
chad grins and says:
"No, but i'm not an anarchist either"
walks away laughing at my pitiful anarkiddie ass.
From that day on i started doubting myself and eventually became a commie.
mfw chad taught me selfcrit.
he wasn't an actual, chad just older

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Grayson Cooper
Grayson Cooper

i was raised by my grandparents who were hardcore stalinists and it rubbed off. now im not so authoritarian but overall my views have been pretty consistent my whole life

Christopher Campbell
Christopher Campbell

I was really inspired by his work as the head of the Democrat Cops of America's retard caucus.

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Isaac Nguyen
Isaac Nguyen

I mentioned it a few times, but what the hell. 2008 convinced me that our political, economic and justice systems were out of whack, so I adopted what I'd later learn were various socdem positions, although probably more radical than what's normally proposed. Things like a maximum wage, actual jail time for the wealthy perpetrators of financial crimes, greater public funding and whatnot. But, I wasn't just a social democratic liberal, I was an edgy social democratic liberal, and I thought it was important that video games not be censored and that saying "nigger" ironically was top tier humour. So before the alt right coalesced, I found youtubers like Sargon to agree with my sensibilities, it seemed that he and his ilk were not stuffy boring conservatives, but neither were they embarassing liberals, thus I was temporarily convinced of the SJW Menace, greatest threat to our civilization. But I slowly recognized their intellectual dishonesty, their constant apologizing for the right was too much to ignore, and their fearmongering over "socialism" even began poking at my middling soc dem position.

Around the same time, I'd transferred from 4chan to 8ch, because of the ridiculous gamergate bullshit that I'd rather not remember, mostly following /tg/, occasionally shitposting on /b/, and more and more frequently seeing nazi posting which I soon realized was not ironic. Tiring of the nazis, I came to Zig Forums to see if there was anybody at all with a reasonable political opinion. I saw a few pictures of Stalin and walked away. But I'd poke my head in once in a while, because a number of philosophy threads which piqued my interest. Gradually, I'd received an explanation of socialism piecemeal and I started looking into the various left wing tendencies, and found that my understanding had over time developed accurately, comparing my thoughts and understanding with writings by Marx. I've finally begun reading Capital, I only wish I'd started a year earlier.

Joseph Brooks
Joseph Brooks

How can you be leftist since day 1?

Aaron Thomas
Aaron Thomas

I know you're fucking around but I found out about chapo from cumtown and thats why I'm a leftist now.

Connor Sanders
Connor Sanders

I got fed up with pol on tech back in the day. Literally, that's it.

Julian Bennett
Julian Bennett

Nick Mullen, president of the Democrat Cops of America

Anthony Clark
Anthony Clark

youtube.com/watch?v=MIA4cy7Aeag

Austin Edwards
Austin Edwards

Excuse me, it's actually Democratic Cops of America

Austin Johnson
Austin Johnson

You pop out of your moms belly and the first question they ask you is "what's your political ideology?" you say "Juche" and subsequently do a breakdance on the operating table.

Camden Thomas
Camden Thomas

lol, literately half the responses here is because your faggots.

Ian Harris
Ian Harris

Yeah so what, unless you're gonna eat my asshole I suggest you mind your own business.

Connor Parker
Connor Parker

what the fuck does that even mean

Austin Rivera
Austin Rivera

Schizo mode is on

Cameron Gomez
Cameron Gomez

Re-read thread
The only response mentioning sex or relationships is a guy saying he got into socialism after fucking a girl on tinder.
Was this for a screencap or something?

Gavin Hughes
Gavin Hughes

i was reactionary as a kid but I couldn’t get along with the internet reactionaries because i was muslim and i couldn’t get along with the muslim reactionaries around me because i realized they were nuts. eventually i read more history and shit,after going through a rand phase, and irl my family was being devastated by healthcare bills and immigration costs leading me to grow disillusioned with capitalism. eventually got into breadtube stuff(esp shaun and contra) and rn im reading more stuff again and its making me more into a leftist.

Nathan Murphy
Nathan Murphy

Go to /marx/ if you want books scanned or ask questions to well-read people friend

Jose Martin
Jose Martin

I never "turned" left. I've been left all my life and only gotten further, more radical, and more concrete about it as I've gone on.

Oliver Clark
Oliver Clark

I was skeptical of the anti-nazi propaganda, and learned about the lying american propagandists. instead of stopping there, being convinced hitler was an ok guy and leaving it at that, as im a skeptic i continued my natural impulses and investigated the anti soviet propaganda, and learned about the lying american propagandists. so i looked at socialists states in history with a skeptical eye, i learned about the assassination of sankara and the CIA trading north koreans rice for electrical wiring and realized they actually prove themselves to be quite successful if you account for the lying american propaganda and imperialist undermining and meddling. I then skeptically listened to some soviet propaganda and my heart swelled with admiration. You can not fake music, i know, as a musician. Music exposes your soul, and the socialists have the best music. They are therefore correct, and socialism is proven to work when not sabotaged. This was all i needed. I then started reading some theory here and there, but really, do you need more than lenin and stalin? Many will say yes, but i am ever skeptical.

Ayden Perry
Ayden Perry

I was too stubborn to go along with the reactionary propaganda on 4chan. To me it somehow didn't seem sensible to give up on all the ideals of social justice because Anita Sarkeesian made some vague criticism of video games. Seeing people do exactly that made me realize that right-wing politics is absolutely retarded. It's always based on fear to follow through with what you know to be right.
Meanwhile Zizek made me understand SJWism better than those GamerGate faggots ever did.

So you find commonality with other leftists in the fact that you all hate each other, and that allows you to reach some mutual appreciation. I like that.

Dominic Green
Dominic Green

So you find commonality with other leftists in the fact that you all hate each other, and that allows you to reach some mutual appreciation. I like that.

I feel somewhat similar to that. I don't really hate other leftists as much as I hate their attitudes. They kinda remind me of Christian preachers arguing that their specific variation of Christianity is THE one and I must read this specific thing or I'm going to be damned. My belief is that when the shit goes down we're all going to need to unite despite whatever differences we have and most of the theory will be meaningless when we're standing side by side with guns in our hands. Debating with you motherfuckers online gets on my nerve sometimes but I know you're all my comrades and when the day comes we're going to be on the same side.

Hudson Cruz
Hudson Cruz

I was born this way. Only later did I find out that what I think most closely resembles leftism.

Luis Williams
Luis Williams

born this way
human nature theory confirmed

Lincoln Morales
Lincoln Morales

Many will say yes, but i am ever skeptical.
Heh'd.

Luke Russell
Luke Russell

I grew up as a mormon, in the book of mormon it says that in the perfect society there were no rich or poor, and held all things in common. That got me interested in communism, and after a long period of being a retarded anarcho-communist, I finally discovered dialectical materialism and embraced marxism-leninism.

Ian Cooper
Ian Cooper

I'm not suggesting that there is an immutable human nature, but there are certain instinctive behaviours that make living as part of a social group easier. And humans are social animals.

journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.2005281

washington.edu/news/2011/10/07/babies-show-sense-of-fairness-altruism-as-early-as-15-months/

news.stanford.edu/news/2014/december/altruism-triggers-innate-121814.html

econ.ku.dk/Kalender/seminarerepru/11102017/paper/repeated-children.pdf

news.stanford.edu/news/2008/november5/tanner-110508.html

news.uchicago.edu/story/religious-upbringing-associated-less-altruism-study-finds

Lincoln Johnson
Lincoln Johnson

how will marxist theory take this into consideration

Gabriel King
Gabriel King

This. I normally wouldn't want to wish pain or suffering upon anybody, but if we don't provide our children with a free society now (or at least a foundation for a revolution for a free society in their lifetime), then we've failed. Personally, I just don't feel comfortable with letting the next generation suffer through what our generation is currently suffering through.

inb4 larp accusations

David Nelson
David Nelson

Seeing some communists with red flags chase some neo Nazis who were harrassing us and other immigrant families, out of a park, as a kid. I was maybe 9. I still remember the red signal rocket going off in the air, almost clear as day all these years later, and 250 people charging in from all sides. Good memory.

Levi Gray
Levi Gray

Im tired of everything, thats why

Chase Harris
Chase Harris

Use to be a edgy atheist who would watch 2012-2015 YouTube politics and browsed 2012-2015 4chan /pol/ and thought all the Nazi propaganda were edgy memes. Until Trumps campaign, were I first began hating these communities. I am a son of immigrants from one of Trumps least favorite countries, so I abandoned /pol/ and watched less political shit on YouTube. My fucking recommended was so fucked by the anti-feminist shit I use to watch when I was on the dick sucking side of gamer gate, that all it gave me were the likes of Crowder, Sargon, and the rest of those retards. And my dumb-ass would watch them! Luckily I began going on lolcow.farm, where I would just browse the trad thot and shoe0nhead hate threads. Then on lolcow, I came across Contra-points then shaun then H bomber guy, after them I stopped seeing the left as this soy drinking, hate filled group that both the media and YouTube been forcing me to see. After this I went one Zig Forums to check it out. Saw your love for Marx so decided to check him out two and now I'm a communist. I always thought Stalin was a bad-ass and that we should nationalize pharmaceutical to stop those crazy pricing, so i think I always was a Commie just never figured it out.

Kayden Nguyen
Kayden Nguyen

I don't see a problem. Society can and does change these 'instincts', the last link is how people brought up in religion are less altruistic. It is in dog's nature to be part of a pack or group, and their early life behaviour reflects this. But if you beat a dog, don't make it part of a pack, isolate it, etc. you will get a very different animal than if you had raised it with love in an inclusive group.

Jace King
Jace King

Be in revisionist country
Most of my family are card-carrying communists
Pretty much commie since day 1
Getting more and more disillusioned with my country because of country’s terrible inequality, completely cucked policies toward world leftist movement and pollution.
Now a card-carrying communist but still hold anti-revisionist stance

Asher Nguyen
Asher Nguyen

My dad's redundancy: saw the failures of the welfare state and made me realised the entire economy needs to be torn down and rebuilt.

Gabriel Phillips
Gabriel Phillips

I actually thought about the things I learned in economics class and realised that none of it made sense on any level and that all it is is a giant smokescreen to distract from the underlying material reality.

William Taylor
William Taylor

Nick literally only wants $15 minimum wage and free healthcare. He’s barely a social democrat lmao

Cooper Cruz
Cooper Cruz

A first became a leftist when I was around 14. At that time I was a unironic anprim, I believed returning to a hunter gather society was the only way to save humanity. The I began to realize that was retarded. Yesrs later I heard the word "anarcho-communism" and called myself that because it was edgy. Then I started looking into anarchy and began to make sense. I saw that the state was an obstacle in total freedom. Although I always sort of knew that, it never seemed apparent to me until now. I switched between different tendencies but now I'm a proud Egotist Anarchist.

Jayden Moore
Jayden Moore

But then people would be cruel to ugly and weird people, no one is born equally in the way they are perceived. So all thots and chads will make the rules without having any contribution to society except being good looking.

Wyatt Miller
Wyatt Miller

Stories like these really give me hope, that more people will turn to the left.

Julian Hall
Julian Hall

I actually had an interesting course form soclib, to socdem, to Marxist-Benninist mostly due to me realising that what was fucked with this country wasn't that we weren't spending, but that neoliberalism is a fuck.

Aiden Ramirez
Aiden Ramirez

being around right wingers

Gabriel Carter
Gabriel Carter

daddy issues made me a commie
Haha, oh wow

Lincoln Howard
Lincoln Howard

lol this. if /pol/yps weren't such annoying cancerous faggots I'd probably be a republican.

Gavin Long
Gavin Long

Amusing. I went trough the exact same process, more or less.
The deciding threshold was however when my former Obama-disillusioned reformer-regulator self decided to read up on Wikipedia what other alternatives were out there.
Oh, and scraping together dank gommulist memes to larp as a hardcore ☭TANKIE☭ under, as to cause trumpers butthurt by not only attacking their businessman candidate, but by questioning the very institutions that permit someone like him wealth and influence. That must've had some part in it all.

Pictured: the actual mechanisms that turned me left. Something complex, that even I can only guess on and give a mere skin-deep idea of.

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Andrew Miller
Andrew Miller

Tankie larping in conservative spaces is one of life's greatest joys. I'd say that's part of the reason I went beyond just succdem shit. I wanted to co-opt their language to piss off the people I hate so much. The more I used it the more I started to believe in it.

Jonathan Perez
Jonathan Perez

That's pretty sick dude, did he give you any nazi shit, like those crazy ss knives?

Ethan Turner
Ethan Turner

started out as a generic American liberal in high school. Basic shit like 'legalize gay marriage/weed' etc
turned into a libertarian by /pol/ around 2015 when the whole 'reeeee SJWs' shit started
by late 2016 I was a full on Nazi
around 2017 I realized how fucking dumb /pol/ was and that ultimately the cause of this white nationalist shit is the failure of capitalism combined with general stupidity rather than black people ruining things or whites having some autistic idealized sense of community
so I went to Zig Forums in early 2018, read some marx, and now I'm a socialist with maoist leanings

Jose Baker
Jose Baker

all these people who are turned here after spending a while as /pol/tards
the clear shift in the past few months where alt-right autists are realizing the error of their ways and turning towards socialism
/pol/ thinks they're destroying us but they're just feeding us more support in the end

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Nathan Thompson
Nathan Thompson

as i child i always hated individualism and people who put money above all (probably because of parents)
after i grew up i was a centrist or more like ignorant of anything politics
browsed /mu/, /fit/ for the most part but avoided /pol/
start browsing /pol/ after avoiding it
literal autism and almost every thread has at least one fallacy from the sticky
entire ideology is retarded
only enjoyed shitposting there
start reading some wikipedia articles about historical conflicts and events
get driven more and more toward the left
realized that anyone that isn't a first-worlder is obligated to be leftist
start reading texts about the USSR, PRC, DPRK that wasn't western propaganda
already growing my mustache

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Henry Wright
Henry Wright

I used to consider myself right wing but then took up an interest in philosophy. Noticed a lot of philosophers were socialists so I started reading political philosophy. Realized the right was intellectually defunct and that Marx was right about nearly everything.

Joseph Torres
Joseph Torres

If by "be nice" you include "not exploit" then sure.

Daniel King
Daniel King

I was a Leftist for a few years, and I believed in the theories of Socialism, and Mutual Aid, and many of the Economic theories, however then i stumbled upon the Issue of Race, and Autism Level.

You might be able to create the Perfect political and economic theory, and Implement it in both Scandinavia, and Somalia. The policies will do as expected and succeed in Scandinavia, and they will fail miserably in Somalia.

It turns out that not all Policies fit all people the same way. It turns out that people are different, and have different needs, and preferences.

It turns out that People who are well adjusted with moderately high Autism Level are easier to lead than groups of people with very low Autism Level's.

Leo Thomas
Leo Thomas

basically this

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Julian Clark
Julian Clark

had an Olof Palme avatar
kek

Michael Scott
Michael Scott

I was hanging slightly left at the bottom of the political compass, considering myself soclib (not shitlib though, fuck neoliberalism and burger PC culture). Being born in the USSR, I disliked communists a lot and avoided touching anything Marxist.

Now, I'm in the top 3% income in my current country. I can have any middle-class stuff I want, though I stay low and invest to retire early. But with time I accumulated so much disdain towards the current system: I see miserable homeless people, stressed poor people, my friends struggling with money, myself getting tired and almost burnt out because while my work isn't pointless, a lot of stuff around it is. I traveled and saw even more extreme living conditions.

Finally, I open the news and sometimes I want to cry: what the fuck? Don't we have enough as a civilization?

Imperialism is basically Moloch, capitalism is a direct manifestation of human greed. They should be dismantled. I may hate Stalin, despise Soviet government and not support Lenin's violent methods but the answer is still on the left.

The true socialism indeed hasn't been tried because people applied it onto immature societies. But now we can rebuild it. We have the technology.

Elijah Gutierrez
Elijah Gutierrez

im only a socialist cause i want to lick dashas feet

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Joseph Morris
Joseph Morris

so fucking thicc hnnnnnngggghhhhh

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Charles Ward
Charles Ward

its real easy to become socialist if you read vonnegut as a kid

Mason Anderson
Mason Anderson

We should totally get her to post her feet like on Twitter or some shit.

Jayden Nelson
Jayden Nelson

fuck, this is me

Leo Martin
Leo Martin

tfw I have a pic of her with no footwear and with her boobs out but both of them have her feet covered up
What is she hiding lads?

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Nolan Gomez
Nolan Gomez

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Robert Howard
Robert Howard

Low self esteem, self hatred, absent father, high oestrogen level, sexual confusion and complete lack of ability to function in normal society is what turned me to leftist politics.
I simply can't fit in anywhere else, and I just want to bathe in constant raw emotion until civilisation is completely destroyed.
Oh, and AIDS.

Cooper Russell
Cooper Russell

sorry for the aid

Henry Thompson
Henry Thompson

self hatred
absent father
sexual confusion
sperg
kek, you don't have to be so honest in your shitposts /pol/yp.

Logan Kelly
Logan Kelly

only adam knows

fuck did you hear on red scare they are getting married

Brayden Gutierrez
Brayden Gutierrez

Christianity, oddly enough. Not a marxist, just here for economic insight. Basic gestalt of my thinking is that politics is evil/doesn't do anything except divide people, and the reality of life is where the money is at. So I'm open to Hegelianism I guess.

Really my interest here is purely authoritarian; namely how to restore sanity to a world of gender nonconformism. I view this as essential to my well-being on a long timescale. Therefore I only hope AOC gets into office on her 30th birthday, because I know that she is idealistic enough to crash the system with no survivors.

I by no means say this lightly, because there would be carnage, and I wouldn't escape scot-free, but I think that economically there would be recovery, and hopefully the mass hysteria induced by oversexualized media would abate so that I could find someone possibly normal.

Adrian Phillips
Adrian Phillips

Soooo, what leftist positions do you actually hold?

Henry Cox
Henry Cox

Ex fascist here. But I was never a full one. I just wanted to be part of something big because I just felt so small irl. I meber really believed in that much either, was always to critical. Anyways I was researching the Spanish civil war(mostly because of the Falange) and I saw link related about Catalonia. And it was amazing here I saw fascist idea of hierarchy detested to the fullest. It was mind opening, I grew to a bit of a obsession with it and before I knew it I started reading Ancom theory.
Link
youtu.be/VUig0lFHDDw

Jackson Gutierrez
Jackson Gutierrez

Found some old essays from 2004-2006 where I have the exact same beliefs as today. Feels weird.

Nathaniel Long
Nathaniel Long

Dealing with right wingers. I made the jump purely out of spite cuz they were annoying me.

Asher Butler
Asher Butler

Was a lib as a teenage, grew up and became socdem because I grew up with absent parents and realized how shit the state was at ensuring the safety and well-being of people. Gradually became more radical and militant but ultimately I never really expanded my horizons past socdem policies, so for the most part I was more or less a particularly militant radlib until college. Around my last year of high school, I ended up dating a girl that would eventually I'd get engaged to. Shortly after getting into college, I fell into the "wrong crowd" and met a dude who got me some communist literature that I read. I eventually got a lot of ancom literature and went more towards anarchism for a while, also pulling my gf that way, but I eventually met an ML transgirl and she was quite fucking adamant about being Marx-Leninist and would debate me on about everything, and over time she would move me more towards ML philosophy and I ended up reading a fuckton of Lenin and other authors of that variety. That is how I ended up getting a more "well rounded" view of leftist theory.

Luis Cooper
Luis Cooper

I was an edgy fascist teenager but then I grew up and actually started reading shit. Somewhere down that line I figured out that communism was inevitable and I hold that thought ever since.

Nathaniel Baker
Nathaniel Baker

I wanted to kill myself since I was 14 so I acted like an edgelord to distract myself from it. Became a huge liberal cuz I live in a,conservative area then became an edgy nihilist then a pseudo fascist then an anarchist then a ☭TANKIE☭ and now I'm a doomer so I guess I fucked up somewhere along the way and reverrted to edgy nihilism

I don't even know why I keep posting here tbh

Gavin Cruz
Gavin Cruz

Sometime when I was an edgy teenager I found the New Atheism movement and quickly became a part of it. This was actually after I had started making a conscious effort to not pledge allegiance in school. The reason I had always given was that I thought it was idolatry, despite not identifying religiously. Initially after becoming involved I was just the type of kid to argue with Christians. Given that I had a limited number of friends that were Christian, I would actively seek out Fundamentalist Christian pages on Facebook. I found that there were a surprisingly high number of pages devoted to Creationism, anti-Evolution, and Westboro Baptist Church esque bigotry. After awhile I started to argue with people who were vehemently anti-abortion (I'm a man), because I recognized that their arguments weren't very good. Then I argued against the "Straight Pride" types who were claiming that homosexuals were the only ones allowed to be prideful and that there was some kind of conspiracy against heterosexuals. Of course, like a lot of people who were involved with the New Atheism movement, I ended up getting familiar with various YouTube skeptics. Right around 2014 though I observed a shift in strategy and all the skeptics seemed to start attacking Feminism. It was before then that I had found Zinnia Jones. I think she was the first transgender person I had ever encountered online. Anyway, when the first skeptic-feminist war started on YouTube, her and folks like Brittany Simon were suddenly not good to talk about. I will admit that I fell for a lot of the anti-feminist bullshit. I didn't know ANYTHING about feminism when I was an edgy teenager: it wasn't even a word for me. Eventually though, I began to observe people in real life identifying with feminism and initially I was like "ehohoeho you must hate men" or some shit like that. Then I started to do my own research and then doubt set in. I started to realize that TheAmazingAtheist, CultOfDusty, and others had fallen victim to the same logical trap. I grew disillusioned, and I soon stopped watching skeptics altogether. A couple years later, after stewing quietly, I observed the rise of Backstabbin' Bernie. It seemed that there was more to being subversive than being simply anti-theistic. It was quite a time for me.

In truth: my family of seven had always been a kind of oasis of left-liberal politics because we lived in various small towns filled with people who watched Fox News recreationally. While I had gotten caught up in the skeptics sphere, my mother had gotten very much into stuff like OpedNews, TruthOut, etc. Nowadays she's gone to stuff like WSWS.org.

Austin Morales
Austin Morales

I was one of those "New Atheist" shitheads but was pretty much just a bog-standard liberal, but I think that liberalism has discredited itself and the Charlottesville thing made me realize the Marxists were right – they had the accurate analysis of what was going on – though I don't know what kind of tendency is correct or how to go about building a party or planning "strategy" and whatever. I've been reading Marx and Engels and I read a lot of Marxist economics stuff nowadays like Michael Roberts, David Harvey and Richard Wolff. I got involved in some very basic organizing with a socialist group but I think that started as me trying to find a constructive and positive outlet for the anger I felt after Charlottesville.
Ex fascist here. But I was never a full one. I just wanted to be part of something big because I just felt so small irl. I meber really believed in that much either, was always to critical.
I think you're pretty normal and like a lot of people. Fascism is kind of a compulsive ideology that replaces "workers" acting as a class with a "people" who do not act according to their objective interests or even according to their own ideological agenda in many cases, but it gives "the people" an opportunity to "express themselves" in a subjective way. In actual practice and in power, fascism functions as a terroristic oligarchy.

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Hudson Kelly
Hudson Kelly

Wait are you like 70 years old

Jordan Morgan
Jordan Morgan

(me)
I should add that I had Marxist friends who were warning me about what was coming, and I'd brush them off like "oh it's not a big deal" or whatever. "Both sides" stuff, much to my regret. But because their predictions and analysis of what was happening turned to be to be true, then what else are they right about? Well, despite the many disagreements within the left, to my shock the Marxists have a whole analytical framework for all kinds of things! Anyways, this probably doesn't sound terribly interesting but I will credit the D*SA partly here as well – as much as they are disliked here.

Charles Cruz
Charles Cruz

youtube.com/watch?v=vm8XWRdME9Q

Carson Gray
Carson Gray

Leftist is kind of overstating it but from childhood I always thought the world was terribly unfair, I remember I had an illustrated child's encyclopedia type book that had all sorts o graphs in it that showed how terrible poverty was, yet the rich countries have so much money and don't do anything about it. From there it was just a natural progression to leftism to me.

Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson

Dear Faggot, anarcho capitalism is not left wing. It's ultra libertarian right.

Jack Jackson
Jack Jackson

Can't remember what turned me to the left in the beginning, but most of my mother's side of the family are demsocs, and my grandmother an ML, so it probably started there.

What turned me anti-capitalist was the climate issue, and how horribly inefficient capitalism utilizes resources when you consider the compounded effects of aggressive advertising, planned obsolesence and all the yuppies who want to become rich by mass-producing the next useless gimmick. What's worse is that every liberal I've talked to have agreed with me when I explained this to them

Nathaniel Thomas
Nathaniel Thomas

Adding to this, the usual response from liberals I've talked to has been that trying to replace capitalism is just unrealistic. I'm sure that if the serious left presents itself as a credible and realistic alternative, a lot of liberals would turn left just over the climate issue alone.

Aaron Ross
Aaron Ross

realizing that fascists and capitalists are the true feels > reals people

Wyatt Foster
Wyatt Foster

I was masturbating to the porn when I was 12 years old. Russian porn popped up. In the background, there was a hammer and sickle. I thought that was a cool design, then I searched about that symbol, then I found about Marxism, then I started to read Das Kapital and now here we are

William Ward
William Ward

Russian porn popped up. In the background, there was a hammer and sickle.
Where do you find such based and redpilled porn?

Henry Hill
Henry Hill

I was told to come here by a triggered stormfag, so I actually did.

Eli Sanchez
Eli Sanchez

I actually came her for similar reason. On halfchan's /ic/ a /pol/tard said to go to Zig Forums's /pol/ and read critique of culture to get redpilled. I actually went there and remembered that one time someone on /lit/ said there was a left version of /pol/. Surprisingly this board is nothing near as cancerous as /pol/.

Xavier Turner
Xavier Turner

Nick Mullen isn't a,cuck
youtu.be/PWpmy7eYFHs

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Noah Martinez
Noah Martinez

discovered Zig Forums and went ahead to look at a sfw board

Lucas James
Lucas James

Started as an ancap/hardcore libertarian in hs as a result of pc shit, and shitposted on pol. Then I was just more center right. What made me start to go left was just realizing all of a sudden that profit is a horrible motivation/foundation to build on. It just sort of happened. Automation, climate change, trump and especially the NZ shooting along with pol’s reaction has just made me go further left. While I’m still learning all of this and don’t have a firm position, all I know now is that capitalism is failing working class people, if not already, and needs change. Still hate idpol/pc shit though.

Jaxson Bell
Jaxson Bell

for me its early Contra Points when she was transitioning.
i was super into that typical /pol/ fascist bullshit. and that whole MAD FEMNAZI SJW DESTROYED youtube scene.
some user made a thread the to make fun of one of contra's vid. i just watched it and shitposted some dumb shit. but after some hour i started re-thinking that video and i watched it couple of times more. next day i watched almost all of her vids. after two months i became was on the left. i already knew the existence of this board from /pol/ shitposting. and then i started lurking here very frequently.

Jackson Gomez
Jackson Gomez

Reminder to you faggots to actually fucking read.

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Chase Robinson
Chase Robinson

While I’m still learning all of this and don’t have a firm position, all I know now is that capitalism is failing working class people, if not already, and needs change. Still hate idpol/pc shit though.
Marxists tend to look at everything as a series of contradictions. I'm not going to talk about idpol shit but just to get it out of the way: I think that emerges as a result of a contradiction in capitalism where the working class doesn't have organizations to speak for it, so idpol shit (of the left and right variety) is more a set of social prejudices shared by people working in different economic sectors. Urban service sector bourgie fucks hate the white yokels who work in rural areas because they're "backwards" while the yokels hate the SJWs in the city, etc. It's a bullshit distraction as people identify more with their respective bosses than they do each other as working people. You share the "cultural values" of your respective master.

But there's a more important point here.

The main thing to understand about profit (and basically reward systems) is that it actually saps motivation. It is generally the right's position that you need rewards to motivate people (liberals believe this generally, "left" or "right"). But this creates a lot of bad incentives, where for instance the surest path to financial security and career advancement is to – paradoxically – reduce the productivity of your co-workers, thereby making yourself more valuable to your capitalist masters. This can be seen in any corporate environment. It can be more profitable from the perspective of large capitalist enterprises for there to be less innovation, etc. as seen by all the people out there still using Sony products. Or the fact we don't have high-speed rail in the United States because of the monopolistic position of the oil industry and airlines.

But the deeper Marxist critique here is that – as a worker – you are alienated from the products of your labor. You start out in a career doing something you enjoy, if you're lucky, but the "work environment" saps you of this motivation precisely because you are paid to do it and don't own the product, so it stops being about what originally made you enjoy the thing in the first place. "The worker feels outside himself when he's at work, and only feels within himself when he's not at work." And then we go into stores and see the products of our labor staring back at us, like they are "alien" objects (not in the sense of like space aliens, but outside "us"), and we consume these things to define who we are and give ourselves some sense of identity – because we have none as workers; you're basically a disposable battery, on an individual level. The working class *as a class* is not disposable.

This is really weird and freaky, like The Matrix or something, but that's capitalism and it's a new kind of social, political, ideological and economic organization that is relatively new in human societies. Why else do you think all these office drones are watching Game of Thrones and yearning for some kind of idyllic fantasy life where they can be subsistence farmers and what-not? It's probably a pretty miserable existence to be honest but at least you're not so alienated.

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Robert Rodriguez
Robert Rodriguez

By reading and IRL political experiences. Anyone who responds "I watched YouTube videos" is a dumbass.

Xavier Lewis
Xavier Lewis

Though I will admit, I did watch Sargon in 2014 almost religiously until he started saying blatantly false shit about Muslims and black people. I never gave a shit about gamergate and still don't know what it was all about. I remember arguing in his comments section about feminism too when they'd expressly deny true things like men being more likely to rape and the college sexual assault crisis.

Robert Cook
Robert Cook

Men are more likely to rape if you define rape as forced penetration rather than nonconsensual sex acts in general. Women are about as likely as men to sexually violate someone (more likely to target children).

John Gutierrez
John Gutierrez

Not true at all.

Angel Parker
Angel Parker

Basically it's the bullshit people spread trying to discredit it. People don't get that disingenuous unless they're either purposefully trying to hide something or ideologically incapable of understanding its truth.

Oliver Phillips
Oliver Phillips

expressly deny true things
college sexual assault crisis
the college sexual assault "crisis" is a complete myth, it's already been debunked numerous times. that "1 in 5" statistic is an establishment myth parroted by activists and obama to distract from the real issues plaguing our country, so they can instead direct our attention to things that don't exist, like the college sexual assault "crisis." it's a pretty shifty trick, actually.
also studies have been done proving that the rate of rape/sexual assault in many colleges is actually even LOWER in the colleges than in the surrounding cities, meaning that this "crisis" ignores the reality that women are actually even SAFER on college campuses.
in conclusion: those sargon commenters were right and the college sexual assault "crisis" is a complete and utter fraud

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Isaiah Collins
Isaiah Collins

literally no sources

get back to the youtube comments section dipshit

Lucas Williams
Lucas Williams

I've more or less checked out of these gender wars entirely because I'm gay and whole thing just seems so byzantine to me – it's a problem for the hets to solve I suppose. And I don't know anything about the statistics, although anecdotally some of the college girls I hung around with had to deal with some major grade-A creeps. One of the creeps, a grad student, developed a very bad reputation as a sex pest and was drummed out of his department as a result. He corned me in a bar once to go on a spiel about how girls don't want "nice guys." At the same time, I think the girls out there are a lot more steel-minded and tougher than often assumed.

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