I partook in the general shitting up of the Cockshott thread (sorry about that). Let's discuss it here instead. Who is most materialist, the gender crits or the genderists? Is Cockshott right? What about the CPGB-ML?
Lets keep that shit contained, and try to be nice to eachother. A trans comrade is a comrade even if there is disagreement.
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Why does everyone, even marxist-leninist, care so much about fucking trans people? If they wanna have a surgery or just be called different then what their sex is, why does it matter to anyone? I really don't get this obsession. It a non issue.
The official Zig Forums take tbh
Considering it's 99% of the time about mtf getting their dicks cut off, I think there a lot of dudes who have some freudian complex about castration.
Yes, so what. Even with their cut off dicks they are important to help with the communist revolution.
I think there are some legitimate concerns, though. The medicalization of people who maybe just don't want to fulfill the normal gender roles assigned to them via sex for one, the concern some women have for having female only spaces for the other.
It is normalizing mental illness and even putting it shoulder to shoulder next to homosexuality which isn't a mental illness, it is a decimal number of the population, some 0.03% of it which is presented as some issue on equal grounds with every social issue when it is not. They are such an irrelevant minority but almost all of the western socialist organizations have been subverted by this shit and placed it as a foremost issue, to the point where they would alienate regular people by supporting mental illness and promoting it. I am glad I am an eastern european and that these degenerate western leftists literally don't exist outside of two colleges in the very center of the city, the richest part of the city. Really makes you think when that is the case huh?
Everyone except them is focused on class issues and the only thing they have on their lips is gays, trans and pronouns. Get the fuck out of here, working women work for months without pay then get fired instead of getting it payed off and here you are mouthing off about some assfuckers as if anyone bothers them from doing that shit in their house.
tbh there isn't enough research about transgenderism that dismisses political correctness and looks physiological, psychological and neurological factors so we are only left with history and theories to get a more clear image.
male individuals that acted in a feminine way have existed through out recorded history but were a lot smaller minority than now (inb4 greek; for each 1 homosexual vase there is 1000 that aren't), those individuals had relations with only a certain category of males who enjoyed them or even preferred them to females. those individuals were submissive, had feminine or neutral secondary sexual characteristics, were typically of a young age meaning those individuals had low testosterone levels which could be a possible cause for it. it is also possible that those individuals cope with their incompetitiveness in society by seeking the subservient position
anyways today there are highly masculine transgenders but also today the majority of people cope with their alienation, hopelessness and misery in the most weird ways possible (if you look at them from the perspective of a pre-1900 man). today shock media gets paid and there is a lot of media focus on showing non gender people as mega progressive and futuristic which attracts a lot of people toward it.
some people theorize that hormonal injection of animals causes hormonal imbalances in humans and there are a lot of studies showing that plastic (mostly water bottles) contain xenostrogens.
again a shocker to no one capitalism and consumerism are destroying society.
also insignificant minorities like lgbt don't matter in marxist theory because they have 0 context in politics
Politics of distraction, with corporate feminism to the rescue. I really don't think the current obsession with trans politics arose organically. Also the media can dangle specific politics the way they want in front of an audience like a key chain in front of a child and everyone will start talking about it and not think twice or question it. I don't think its a coincidence it got saturated everywhere after occupy.
I agree with the points you made. I was very bemused when Transexual activist accosted Paul Cockshott not to mention the current Transexual led jihad against the Communist Party of Great Britain (ML).
Not true. The percentage of gays and whatnot has always been the same through human history. Today it seems more because they can talk about it and not get murdered immediately.
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they are as effective at stopping rape as gun free zones are at stopping shootings
which means not very effective
even assuming the worst case scenario, a dude pretends to be trans to get into a women's lockerroom and pounces on a lonely woman, that dude could have done the same by just watching who goes in and out the lockerroom and going in at the right moment regardless of being trans
besides in a coed locker room there d would most likely be double the amount of ppl at any given time, so half the opportunities for rapists
Why not just listen to these people's experiences and come to a consensus in light of them?
Trans people already have it pretty bad as it is.
It's absurd to think that someone would change their entire life, face persecution by bigots, modify their body biology and relearn how to navigate in society for the chance to sexually harrass women in the bathroom. Like, it doesn't even merit a counterargument if you think about it for more than 10 seconds.
I'm just saying there's a discussion to be had, that can't just be ignored in favour of everyone being spoonfed what to think. I'm kind of up in the air about this whole business, trying to get as much input as possible. Those are just some of the concerns I've heard from women discussing the subject.
Besides, not every self-identified trans person does any of that stuff, never go on hormones, never do any surgeries, whatever.
Not to be all "Every man is a rapist" but creeper dudes pouncing on lonely women is definitely a thing that happens. And sociopaths make all kinds of life choices just to get access to victims, just look at catholic priests. THat's not the same thing as saying every self-identified trans person does it just as little as saying that every priest becomes a priest to get inside of those altar boy robes.
But the fundamental difference between a priest and a stranger is that the priest abuses a relationship of trust and authority, while a stranger has no such relationship. Pretending to be trans also does not produce such a relationship and often times trans women actually receive distrust instead of trust. The stranger has to rely entirely on physical force and they would only gain the element of surprise as an advantage in that regard and in a coed lockerroom there would most likely be more physical deterrence aka other men present, meaning a coed lockerroon would reduce the risk of lockerroom rapes.
That's what I'm trying to do. The only reason I started looking into the whole gender crit thing was due to that Contrapoints video on the subject.
Just look at the video in the OP, I think that's a pretty important perspective.
I really doubt coed locker rooms would be a good idea if you want reduce the amount of sexual harassment and rape in washrooms. Opportunity makes the thief as we say in my tongue.
Is autogynephilia real or just a meme?
It is bourgeois LGBTQ+ people who get the most representation, which creates alienation between cishets and queer minorities by implanting classist division and association in the minds of the public.
You will see all the time people complaining about how LGBTQ+ people are indicative of some bourgeois decadence, or that we have "gone too far" with self-expression, it is all a plot to divide the proletariat and to pacify working class queers by denying the revolutionary potential of a minority in a world in which we're already alienated by capitalist exploitation. Throughout communist organisations, there have been queers backing it, we are allies to the working class, but we still get shit on by "anti-idpol" retards.
90% of transgender people are revolutionary communists, yet lefties think they're all undercover liberals, because their aesthetic is peaceful or cutesy, it is just sad to see solidarity being wilfully smashed because of queerphobic hangups. let's work together, guys.
I really don't have more to say, I just want solidarity, stop the terf shit.
I spoke to a girl who knew Ted Kaczynski; I had read that he wanted a sex change operation when he was young, so I asked her about that - she said that he just had autogynephilia, so thankfully never went through with it.
On 4/lgbt/, they apply the dualistic model of Autogynephilia (AGP) or homosexual transsexual (HSTS) to assess what type of mtf you are. This is obviously way too simple of a way to categorise people. The fetish can exist independent of gender identity, which leads to the conclusion that transgender women don't have to experience it, many transwomen are actually asexual.
Hmm it’s almost like we’ve been saying this for years
true. every communist you meet today has some type of personality disorder. the price to pay for divine knowledge.
The elevation of sexpol issues is a Porky-sponsored front to destroy any resistance. It has sadly worked.
It's really silly because we're close to not even needing sex in any way, and a small but noticeable part of the population is already out of sexualism for any meaningful purpose (and a smaller part of the population has ALWAYS been out and had no choice in the matter). All of this sexpol shit also completely ignores the existence of old people, most of whom become effectively asexual out of necessity. We have ample examples of why sexpol is irrelevant yet we are dragged into this discussion repeatedly.
And really, when you look at fascists, at the ideology of the right, it's absolutely loaded with hypersexualist nonsense and appeals to the nature of sexualism. Such is necessary for their ideology to present any sort of coherent message to its followers. Why the left bothers to even play the right's game is moronic. It's like the autistic kid at school screaming and crying in public when the bullies go after him - that's what they want the autistic kid to do, to scream and cry because it gives the bullies pleasure. Why people want to replicate this losing strategy is beyond me.
yes very intellectual
There is quite a lot of faggotry in fascist spaces, yes. The whole ideology is faggotry.
Why should we even allow this level of IDpol from trannies?
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there is a lot of "faggotry" in leftist spaces also if you haven't noticed.
imho, this is what pisses me off the most. Yes they're a comrade but ffs stop slamming that IDpol into my politics and shitting everything up with trans this and gay pride that. Radlibs piss me off and I'm almost certain they're just controlled opposition. Not only are they useless, but they're turning off other potential comrades and are even turning them into reactionaries. Personally I believe sex is biological and gender is a spook. People born intersex are better described as abnormal biological complications rather than as a 3rd sex/gender.
Another thing is that they can't get their narrative correct, some say it is a mental illness and others say its just a different way of being. If its a mnetal illness it shouldn't be normalized, if it is a choice then it shouldn't be accomodated any more than an otherkin who thinks they're a dog in a man's body has the right to demand a food dish at a restaurant.
FFS just say Russian.
You mean how having a sign that says 'women only' will stop a male rapist from entering a woman's restroom, much in the same way that a sign that says 'gun-free zone' stops mass murderers from shooting up a school?
Another thing is their inability to distinguish legitimate criticism from personal attacks. I'm not criticizing transgendered people, I am criticizing transgenderism. Don't define your entire existence around your trans-ness or your sexuality (as in the case of annoying gay pride fags).
this is like blaming black people for racism. bad logic.
this is really, really retarded
I'm a gender accelerationist. I believe trans are eroding the concept of gender entirely and that this is a necessary process for creating a mass movement of the working class. As long as there are male workers and female workers and as long as they are segregated culturally, socially, and politically then there will always be a barrier in organizing that porky can exploit.
Take the bathroom issue. We have segregated our bathrooms for men and women, because of a spooky notion that all men are pervert rapists and that they can't be trusted alone in a room with women in states of undress. And now that trans girls want to use women's bathrooms, people are having melt downs because they're afraid that evil men will use this as an opportunity to rape. This spook is baked DEEP into our society. How the fuck do you organize a workplace when half the workers think the other half are psycho rapists?
Potential recruits get alienated by capitalism, want to find a better solution, radlibs show up and shove their faggotry everywhere, aut-reich shows up and convinces them its because of them, so not only do potentials miss a chance at being recruited, they also turn away from socialism and think socialism is all about transfaggotry. So yes you could see how this would be a problem.
What am I if i take hormones as a means of mitigating suffering? I really don't feel the need to wear women's clothes and mostly dress more gender neutral. I really don't think trans issues should be as big as they are today, and societal acceptance comes from understanding gender dysphoria and sympathizing with it. I also end up agreeing with a lot of gender critical thought, not to the extent that they attack transgenderism but find their view of gender rather liberating.
the cultural hegemony necessary to get the changes in social order the trans community wants, requires ignoring rape, where people claiming to be trans have to be believed over people claiming to have been rape victims, or at least subjected to unwanted sexual advances. There are some similarities towards ignoring rape allegations inside a marriage, to "safeguard marriage as institution" in the 1950s
there also is the medicalisation issue, in the 1950s women who did not want to be housewifes were diagnosed with hysteria, now we have "toxic masculinity" as a mental disorder.
all cultures in class societies have this aspect of skeletons in the basement. Bourgeois lgbtq+ and bourgeois feminism movements as just as reactionary as family value conservatives. Pay attention to the neo-liberal pattern of socially progressive and economically conservative.
In addition to this there is an economy about where political energies are spend, and hence there is competition which aspects of politics gets attention. There is evidence that most political movements that focus on sex and culture, decay and never achieve their economic goals.
Trans people are materially real, however so is the pseudo-clerical mob that seeks out the feeling of power from "excommunicating" people they don't like, and hence allegations of transphobia are abused in a similar way, allegation of anti-Semitism are abused in smear campaigns against critics of Israel. In the short term this will shrink leftist movements, and in the long term it will erode the power of a word, once "transphobia" is eroded, trans people will end up where they started as a disenfranchised micro minority, and the capitalists will move on to ride another issue.
Also there is the aspect of all cultures being about establishing a informal hierarchy that is not based on merit, leadership skills etc. But you do need competent people to lead, so the more you make concessions towards effecting cultural changes the more you have to deal with creating fake ranks for placating. Analogous See job-title inflations like regional assistant manager for oiling the squeaking door of the broom closet, on the second floor.
capitalism is keen on fanning the flames in culture wars to create schisms in the working class. One way to do this is to tell minorities that they have entitlements towards the majority. This has the effect of left movements tending towards being minority movements that cannot effectively challenge the economic order, because they lack scale. Minority movements are self-reinforcing because the minorities no longer feel as if their experience is insignificant, and will resist any attempts to make movement reach larger parts of society, because that would mean their personal priorities would no longer be reflected by the priorities of the movement. Trans people are particular prone to this because they are a very tiny group and have a very unusual personal experience
Lastly there are the discourses about systems vs the discourse about types of people. Most of what defines the lives of people are systems, that have no human qualities and are usually harder to understand as a result. It might be possible to anthropomorphise Marxist categories, make the falling rate of profit a character , there could be a mister-over-production, and a wage-thief as well as Alienator. Market-man would be a invisible demon that both steals and gives wealth in order to create a wealth distribution that corresponds to the typical upward wealth distribution you see in market economies.
I don't give a fuck about bathrooms or restrooms, but there are plenty of good reasons to keep, say, prisons and sport sex segregated.
Tehn you're not trans based on that alone. Hormones aren't even sex-exclusive: women still produce testosterone on their ovaries, and men can produce produce estrogen through a process involving an enzyme called aromatase that transforms testosterone into estradiol.
If you want to be free of gender roles/stereotypes/etc. the only logical conclusion is to drop it entirely. Otherwise you're just trading one pre-packaged identity for another.
A trans comrade is irrelevant.
I don't care if someone is trans, I'd even date a trans (mtf or ftm) but I just hate how much of existing leftism in the imperial world revolves around their concerns. It reeks of decadence and alienation, I expect in a society where capital is eliminated there will be less people trying to grasp for a new identity to cope with material reality.
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absolutely embarrassing
The last paragraph is silly, but overall good post.
Ding ding ding. This is exactly how to identify an enemy of the masses. No amount of socially progressive posturing can hide the motive of keeping poor people poor and exploited.
"toxic masculinity" is not a medical term.
that's just lazy, user. if you want to insult someone do it yourself, don't make them do it for you.
I'm just so cynical of these types of people posing as leftists that I challenge them to come to sane conclusions in their own time.
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Back to your safe space, pumpkin. Come back when you've read Stirner and dropped the identity spook.
You're right, it's a shitty term for a non-problem wherein identarians believe that glorification of stereotypical masculine traits are somehow negatively affecting their feelings. This approach, and the concept, is downright ridiculous, it's anti-materialistic from an evolutionary psychological standpoint; women prefer to tend towards men who display masculine traits, there's nothing wrong with that. Let me tell you what anthropology doesn't show us in the historical record: whiny, limp-wristed, manchildren getting mates. Women would naturally tend toward those who can display traits of being able to protect them and offspring, securing food, and being able to teach their offspring how to fight in order that their children and thus genes would live on. This isn't to say they all prefer masculine traits, but some form of power is required, such as intellect, its not hard for doctors to find mates: they have the skill, knowledge, and money to secure a family. The attraction to masculinity is deeply embedded into female psychology, and when they realize they're still attracted to "jerks" this causes them no end to self-hatred. I say, just let it go, accept it and move on. Your brain can't tell the difference between masculinity for pro or anti social behaviors; when Ted Bundy went to prison for murdering 30+ women, he recieved hundreds of letters from women BEGGING him to marry them.
You're not exactly fitting in around here; learn to take the bantz and lighten up. And also, I am not 'blaming alienation on the gays', I am blaming the identarian radlibs shoving their shit in everyone's faces as a reason people are turning away from investigating socialism. I don't have any problem with trans or gay folk.
There are people who believe that they are Napoleon Bonaparte. Should we encourage them to modify themselves in the image of Napoleon (like height reduction surgeries), and indulge their urge to be recognized the one as well.
wow u win all the internets
no transwoman has ever pushed surgery on another transwoman, it is respected as a personal choice.
it is clear that you have never met a transperson since you take them to be as insane as someone who believes they're a historical figure. All they want to do is align with their gender identity, it really isn't such an alien, crazy subject to contemplate.
I've read stirner. he is shit. there.
toxic masculinity is a sociologically observed phenomenon that doesn't just concern women, but men also - have you ever been abused as a child? I was, by an angry self-righteous patriarch. I consider toxic masculinity to be an important topic of focus in reconstructing masculinity into a positive thing across the board. Masculinity is fragile, that shit needs to stop. Men need self-esteem. Trivialising masculinity down to the level that you've done is annoying, it misses the point.
Yes, it's a mental illness by pure definition of it, and noone even denies it. However. pushed treatments are totally ineffective, and neither solve the issue, and cause grotesque complications and irreversible disabilities of their own. IF we were able to perform a procedure capable of a real sex change, I'd have no issue with people taking it, even if it was risky. However, the mind seems to be much easier malleable than the body.
What's the difference? They also wish to align their physical identity with their mental state by altering said physical identity.
we alter our appearence daily with clothes, our outward appearance is the form of our personal expression. Lumping all of this into a box is problematic, you see that now, retard?
you're medicalising and stigmatizing a normal aspect of human diversity across all cultures in the world. It is like calling gay people mentally ill because they deviate from how most people identify and act. Learn to accept and respect others.
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Socially and culturally divergent behaviour is problematic. "Personal expression" that is done via self mutilation of internal organs and hormonal fuckery, and results in misery, depression, etc. is much more than that.
I'm pretty sure making internal cavity fuckholes and sewn meat sausages did not exist in any, including most bloodthirsty and inhumane cultures in history.
No, it's not like that at all. Homosexuality does not cause any suffering to a person, and almost does not impede social life and life in general.
many men don't have foreskin because their parents told a doctor to cut it off when they were a baby - that is more mentally deranged than SRS, but people don't treat it like a cultural sickness as much as someone who experiences gender dysphoria making a personal decision - now, suddenly everyone's and expert and has the liberty to bully people.
now see how these subconscious signifiers identify the mentality of the transphobe. They are absolutely sickened by what people do in their private lives.
dude you know fags have to get wear diapers after a while because their sphincters can no longer function to keep their keep their shit in right? plus aids
homosexuality is inherently unhealthy
homosexuality is an orientation, not an activity.
Everyone has liberty to have his own opinion and judge other people negatively whether they like it or not. It's a false equivalence also. Bullying requires a little bit of a punch with that, and, of course, social outcasts are more likely to be bullied, but, while malevolence of any sort is wrong, socially outcasting undesirables is essential to human society.
A human cannot live a life outside of society, so?
Preventing and not encouraging self-harm is a principle, not a bias.
You can tear, wound and break vajaja or penis, you know, it's probably worse too than whatever you could do to an anus. Not to mention STDs don't really care what you're putting in.
you sound like some conservative weirdo. I'm done talking to you for tonight.
Well, you sound like some hysterical radlib SJW.
Not all gay people like anal. Quite a bit of straight people do. I agree that anal is unhealthy, and pressuring people into anal is abusive, but what's wrong with a dude wanting to marry another guy, or just suck his dick? That doesn't hurt anyone.
Wat. Dude the anus is one of the more sophisticated parts of the body. Without control of continence you become a fucking bird. And you cant fix that with surgery its permanent. Ass fucking also scars your rectum, makes it prone to tears, STDs, incontinence later in life, and anal and rectal cancer. It is an extremely unhealthy activity
isn't the existence of transpeople especially among the boug just a form of capital dominating even gender (like, you can be rich enough that you can change sex freely at will)? or at least that's what capital is driving towards (the actual existing transpeople notwithstanding). like, yeah transpeople exist, but the way it's used now is sort of like… hey, everybody can be every gender! that means you're not restrained in buying girl products just cause youre a boy! buy these girl things too!
it's also like transness is a trend now to be capitalized on, which is why you see so many silicon valley floats in gay pride parades. the relationship between capital and transpeople is sort of what turns a lot of people off from liberalism (also capital and anti-racism or capital and feminism) when it used to be that transness was a radical affront to gender hierarchy, and therefore it was an affront to capital. in other words, transness as a concept sold out and became a part of the system it used to seek to destroy. and i think this idea of raising kids genderless seems anarchic, but the way it's encouraged is so suspicious to me, like what is the purpose of this and who is it helping? is this another way to offer me "choice as freedom"… like if every kid at a certain point chooses their gender, won't that be another way to control us and encourage identity formation through consumerism? are we secretly being forced into a new kind of self-surveillance and self-control by forcing us to choose our gender instead of it being chosen for us beforehand? i'm very, very suspicious of it. but at the same time, transpeople are really just trying to live their lives after thousands of years of oppression. and their existence, i think, predates capitalism, so i hate to think transness is something that only happens under capitalism. but i'm not even sure of that! these are questions i need to read more trans theory on. i'm sure someone out there has tried to answer it.
The contrapoints video was pretty unconvincing to anyone familiar with actual gender critical concerns
I perceive gender transition as a way to deal with gender dysphoria, which is a real issue thats can't simply be ignored with some "body-positiveness" bullshit.
Something I've noticed is that radical feminists hide their prejudices behind a vulgar form of "materialism".
I'm not really into these topics by the way, because as a cis male i'm not really invited to thoses discussions. Feminists are also very unpolite.
The problem is when they push this shit on impressionable minors. Even HRT can cause permeant infertility, and minors often make desions they regret. To do HRT and SRS someone should have to be 18+.
the problem there is that its a lot better to transition before puberty than it is after. i think it should depend on the person and obviously have a lot of therapists and shit beforehand to figure out if they are really are trans or if theyre parents are just dumb pieces of shit.
It’s important to remember though that transitioning causes IRREVERSIBLE INFERTILITY. This is incredibly serious, and the medical risk of people suffering from this if they don’t need to is greater than whatever benefits are gained from transitioning pre-puberity. When your dealing with children who are very easily impressible, it’s best to wait for them to become mature before making lie altering and irreversible desions.
the concept of gender itself is idealist
this.
literally who gives two shits about this shit, all it does is split the working class and play into the bourgouise neoliberal hands. Intersectionality is bullshit and giving a fuck about "trans rights" as if its some hot button issue when children are literally starving in sweatshops and productivity increases while wages go down and the rich get richer and the world is going to be covered in boiling hot seawater thanks to capitalism is stupid as fuck.
Not him, but when one goes to Zig Forums, one has also probably been to 4chan and has seen many gore videos, disgusting things. Also an exposure to gory and disgusting media. All this effectively erases the disgust from body horror and just sees it as a farce it is.
It is not disgust, it is seeing it as a farce.
Don't take at face value the son of Georgetown Professor who became bored with life and decided to make flashy colourful videos with highly questionable educational content. Always with a truckload of salt, because the dude is loaded with cash from patreon, just like Peterson. And my bet is that they both use it for money laundering.
Thanks for letting me know you're a waste of time, then.
That is until parents get involved, there's documented cases of trans parents forcing their kids to be trans, I'd consider that child abuse. I know not all of them are like that but still.
Also yeah there's documented similarities between trans and BIID so I would consider a person who would mutilate themself to be insane, see the research here; academia.edu
If trans is a mental illness I would still argue not to go thru with the surgery, though I wouldn't stop anyone from doing so. Best to hold out for a cure later on.
Y'know, life keeps you busy with problem solving. And sometimes, when problems don't exist, people make them up, so they have something to do. This is one of those times.
I have yet to hear of "toxic femininity"
There's no need for this term then because we already have a term for that, its called child abuse. Gender roles have nothing to do with it. Mothers can be abusive also. Again, where are the cries of toxic femininity?
lolwut?
Hold on, there's a point?
It is my understanding that people who are healthy don't have breakdowns when they look in the mirror, pump themselves full of hormones, and attempt to mutilate their genitals.
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agree that this is the default leftist take. It's very tedious to argue against idpol with radlibs. I'm frequently shot down because I'm a mail or don't agree with the groupthink or don't use the correct lingo of the month. sighs
also, we have this thread everyday.
finally, all leftist bigots have shit for brains and must exorcise themselves ASAP.
VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS WRONG. EVEN IF SHE IS A BOURGEOISIE WOMEN WHO HAS EXPLOITED THE WORKING CLASS TO DEATH.
ALL WOMEN ARE COMPLETELY EQUAL AND ALL MEN ARE EVIL. PLEASE IGNORE MATERIALISM AND CLASS. SAYING SOMEONE LIKE MARGARET THATCHER DESERVES RAPE IS EVIL AND YOU ARE A MISOGYNIST.
Idgaf about what they do to their bodies. What I don't want is them invading spaces segregated for the oppposite sex, specifically women's. Yeah yeah, there's also the issue of them doing drugs on kids and whatever, but that issue will fix itself naturally.
Not the user you're replying to, and I'd agree, but that hasn't stopped the APA from taking various studies at face value and even considering placing it into the DSM. Of course, we can have our more generalized critiques about how Bourgeois the institution of APA and certain aspects of Psychology exist to serve Capital, and those would be more useful, but it's a very strong possibility that "Toxic Masculinity" may become a medical category in the near future. I believe there have even been threads about this on Zig Forums, although you'd have to dig through the archives.
t.Falseflag (figuratively and literally)
Marxist feminism provides us with the ability to give a unified theory of gender which can explain both the psychological reality of gender and the social experimental reality. Marxist feminists have focused on the ways in which gender functions to reinforce a capitalist base and social conditions. Social reproduction theorists have focused on the ways in which the development of capitalism necessitated the subjugation of women through domestic labor in order to force women to do the uncompensated work of maintaining the livelihood of and reproducing the workforce. Sylvia Federici in particular has focused on how the emergence of capitalism forced women into these domestic roles as part of the process of primitive accumulation and the urbanization of the work force. Federici explains the gendered violence of the witch hunts as a means of enforcing these new patriarchal social dynamics, in order to further establish the stability of new capitalist social arrangements.
This Marxist account provides us with a critical insight which Natalie’s own views can not provide. Marxist feminism allows us to understand how the development of capitalism underpins and produces gender as a social structure. It allows us to understand that the classification of people into male or female is not something which simply happens for no reason, but rather is a result of economic and material conditions. Natalie’s theory of gender never gets to this level because it only asks what makes someone count as a woman, not why the social class of woman exists in the first place. Natalie is correct to sympathize with a social and experiential theory of gender, but fails to understand ask why these social roles come into existence. We must also recognize that she is incapable of theorizing the emergence of these social roles, as the process of doing so would require her to posit universal conditions (capitalist development) for the emergence of gender that would contradict the psychological identity model as well as the radical feminist model. Natalie’s emphasis on being able to draw on whichever theory is most effective in a given instance precludes her from forwarding a deeper systemic critique of gender.
interesting article. I have more sympathy towards terfs and agree on several issues. that said, the author frequently flips back and forth between claiming that genders shouldn't exist and gatekeeping who gets to be a male or female. then all the bitching about female only words and female only spaces (trans exlcusionary) also seems lacking self-criticism.
I may not agree with what transgender individuals believe in, but I will defend to the death their right to do so in Siberia.
I see a lot of pro-trans people argue that transition is good for the individual, but is it good for the society?
How?
An user on /b/ was arguing against it yesterday from a pro-homosexual basis.
tbh this is the best way to look at transgenderism as it still maintains a progressive pro-gay stance.
The flaw is that anorexia doesn't end when someone becomes skinny. They ALWAYS feel fat. Dysphoria, on the other hand, has been shown to be treatable with reassignment. How does one account for this?
excuse but proof?
Well it’s often that people who transition after a few years don’t like it,regret it, and decide to de-transition. However transitioning causes GERMINATE INFERTILITY, so the damage is still done. Also transitioning is pushed on minors who are more likely to regret it. IF people want to transition, fine, but two rules must be followed. A) they can’t be minors. B) they must have some therapy sessions whit a therapist where a solution to their problems that doesn’t involve transitioning is entertained as a solution equal to transitioning.
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Like, I don't know what you people want. The efficacy of HRT and SRS/GAS aren't really that disputed among psychologists. I get that it yucks you out or whatever, but the comparison to anorexia is wrong and dumb.
It's like 1%, not "often". They just get hyped up by the media.
the material economy of gender has reached it's critical point in the radical subjectivity of sexuality hasn't it? Men are attracted to transwomen because they simply represent the Freudian comfort of femininity rather than the potential to biologically reproduce.
The means of reproduction have become a means to squeezing cum out of dicks, it has been measured up to it's architecture rather than it's utility, this is why pussy has been transferred from female ownership into the commodity production of things like male sex toys or distributed in ownership in phenomenons like the pansexual "bussy" which men of all navigations flock toward.
If women are no longer found in relation to men, that we have truly come to individualistic expression, then what does gender remain to be except a traditional phenomenon? We already live in a post-gender world in many ways.
Read your own sources. The teens who misidentify themselves as transgender rarely actually fully transition to the point where they have anything to regret. They begin treatment, and then during the course of assessment they change their minds, and that's that. No harm is actually done.
The system we have in place to properly identify gender dysphoria already works.
no, just anti-discrimination
it is strange how transgender people have become an inherently political symbol, considering how mental illness suddenly becomes stigmatized in the context of their existence.
Give me a source that says that detransitioning is very rare, and when it’s done their is little long term damage. I’ve given my sources, an’t you do the same?
People with Down Syndrome and Depression aren’t taking vulnerable kids, telling them they have Down Syndrome or Depression, and then convincing them to take medications with very sevear and permeant side affects to “fix” them. I don’t want trannies running around telling healthy kids to take medication which has very sevear and permeant side affects, when many of them don’t need it, and will regret it.
1. I guess it depends on if you can make someone "become" transexual. One of the main arguments used against homosexuality is that kids "become" homosexual, which is nonsense. I can show a kid all the gay porn in the world, but that doesn't mean they'll become gay as a result. In the same sense I doubt you could force boys to wear a dress and they'd suddenly want to become a woman (cf. Dr. Money fiasco).
2. How many transexuals are actually running around trying to convert children? Don't take insane, loud minority groups and apply it to the whole.
