Why Can't The US Gov't Pull Themselves by their Bootstraps? Learn to code!

Thomas Morales
Thomas Morales

Just had a political discussion with my righty dad about Andrew Yang and universal basic income for the first time in a while. It reminded me why I don't argue much with him.

What I have a problem with is when people ask me to pay for something.
I'm not sure how to help you with that. That is just how the US government works and the agreement we have with them for living in the country
Why can't the goverment just create something from nothing like Mark Zuckerberg with Facebook or Elon Musk?
What do you mean?
I mean Facebook created value from nothing. Why can't the US government do that?
Because that's not how the government is structured. If you want state-run businesses I'm fine with that, I thought you just wouldn't want a Facebook run by Obama.
I never said that the government should run facebook. I just think they should make something out of nothing instead of taxing me.
Can you give one example of how that might work?
I don't need to give an example.

Skip forward about 10 minutes of me just trying to understand what he means and then realizing he really means exactly what he said.

So what are the differences between universal basic income and EBT then? Isn't Andrew Yang just giving everyone EBT
EBT isn't free money. It's free food-
No EBT isn't free food it's actually just money that you can spend on food.
(Holy fuck this is like when a little kid knows a big word)
Right, but you can't spend it on everything, there are restricted things.
But people get around that
Which is why it's better for them to just get $1k a month instead of $200 in restricted money.
Also, EBT and UBI are not the same thing.
So the only difference between EBT and UBI are the amount and what you can spend it on?
And also who gets the benefits.
Ok, so there are 3 differences then?
Yes (they're literally only both government benefits retard).
So is that not welfare?
Yes it is.
So Andrew Yang wants to give everyone welfare?
Yes.

Then he laughs for five fucking minutes about how I'm retarded for saying I get nothing from our discussions. I'm not being dense, am I Zig Forums? Am I really the retarded one?

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Charles Cook
Charles Cook

OP here with an update. This upcoming election will be the first time I can vote and he said he's going to vote for me since I don't know anything. He said he's going to have me write in "no confidence" and I replied with "People say by voting for an independent you're throwing away your vote but that is actually throwing away your vote."
Then he said that if you aren't voting for the majority party in your district you're throwing away your vote.

We argued about the 97% chance that Hillary was going to win. He said the media lied about it but I would think that would disincentivize democrats from going out to vote and make Trump supporters go vote. He disagreed, because muh left wing slant.

So, if you vote for Andrew Yang is that throwing your vote away any more than writing in "No Confidence," which is not a candidate? I say no because at least there is a chance that Andrew Yang would win if you were literally the only person who voted. If you voted no confidence no one would win.

David Wood
David Wood

There's nothing "socialist" about UBI even, unless you are some kind of a lolbert. There's a reason Bernie is against it.

Dominic Flores
Dominic Flores

No confidence or plain not voting sound good, since less turnout = voting in a way

Brandon Smith
Brandon Smith

That's a really interesting idea, I'm surprised he was almost onto something.
He didn't want me not to vote though, he wanted me to spend my voting day going and voting for his dumbass website.

Lucas Price
Lucas Price

Hell no it ain't voting. Vote for SPUSA or something. A potential American Lenin will only know how close the people are ready for him by voting turnout metrics. When working class people go out in the rain en masse to vote for socialists he will know it's time.

Adrian Cox
Adrian Cox

If you don't vote, Porky wins since it's his objective to turn people off of voting entirely and leave it to the lunatic boomers reactionaries and evangelicals.

Wyatt Lewis
Wyatt Lewis

arguing about who to vote Head Hitler in Charge definitely great use of your time

Hudson Jenkins
Hudson Jenkins

Just put him in a retirement home

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Kevin Thomas
Kevin Thomas

Bernie is against it because he is right wing you dense liberal.

Brayden Morales
Brayden Morales

is my right wing boomer parent retarded
I don't even need to read your story to know the answer

Dylan Thomas
Dylan Thomas

What I have a problem with is when people ask me to pay for something.

What does this asshole just dine and dash? Every business charges money for services rendered.

Why can't the goverment just create something from nothing like Mark Zuckerberg with Facebook or Elon Musk?
I mean Facebook created value from nothing. Why can't the US government do that?

<Why can't the government learn to code bro?

But people get around that

Which is why it's better for them to just get $1k a month instead of $200 in restricted money.

This is completely bullshit. There is no way to get around it. The money can only be spent on food. You can sell it for half of it's value and then some family gets a 50% discount on their grocery bill. It's no different then if you got food from a foodbank, or free clothing from charity and then sold some of it or traded it for booze or whatever the fuck.

<OH MY GOD WE HAVE TO STOP ALL FOOD BANKS BECAUSE PEOPLE MAY TRADE THE WORTH OF THE ITEM WE'RE GIVING THEM FOR AN ITEM WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE REEEEEEE!!!!

<No confidence or plain not voting sound good, since less turnout = voting in a way
NO
If you don't vote, Porky wins since it's his objective to turn people off of voting entirely and leave it to the lunatic boomers reactionaries and evangelicals.
Hell no it ain't voting. Vote for SPUSA or something. A potential American Lenin will only know how close the people are ready for him by voting turnout metrics. When working class people go out in the rain en masse to vote for socialists he will know it's time.

These.

Nobody sees low voter turnout in America and says: Wow, so many people didn't go to the polls! They must be protesting!
No, people just think: "Phew, all the uniformed learning impaired mouth breathers who only care about the politics of "Keeping Up With The Kardashians" didn't show up to just fill in the bubble for C on the scantron and fuck up the whole election with their retardation. Our Democracy is safe!

There's nothing "socialist" about UBI even, unless you are some kind of a lolbert. There's a reason Bernie is against it.
Because he doesn't want to pay higher taxes.

Ian Davis
Ian Davis

OP, leaving aside that Yang is infantile and you need to READ MARX, what the fuck is your dad's problem? He can't decide your vote for you. Vote whatever you want. But actually you should vote for Gravel or the Granola Granny if anyone.

Brandon Powell
Brandon Powell

didn't show up to just fill in the bubble for C on the scantron and fuck up the whole election with their retardation
Kind of unrelated but kind of related I just remembered an interesting anecdote. For the non-Americans on this board. In The USA we have SATs which are actually a private company that you have to pay to take the test from, so only people who are trying to apply for college take them. What we do have which is given to every student each year are state standardized tests. So all the kids who aren't trying to get into college are apt to just bubble in random answers because they can't be bothered trying to actually find the right answers to any of the questions. It wasn't until high school when I had a teacher spill the beans to us about this practice.

You have to take these state standardized tests UNLESS your parents sign you a waiver saying they don't want you to take the test and then you get to just dick around on your phone or whatever while everyone else is doing the test. Our teachers were practically begging the retards to get this waiver from their parents instead of just filling in random answers and turning it in because what the state standardized tests actually do effect is the funding the school receives, and the ease at which any student applying from that school to a college can get admission. Because what the state does is average all the standardized test scores of every student in that school that year and then give the school a collective grade which is used to determine funding and also is used to weight GPAs from different schools against one another when applying for college. So if you go to some hood school where half the people are getting like 20%s or whatever because they're just filling in random bubbles then the colleges look at your 4.0 GPA and say, well student A has a 4.0 and student B has a 4.0 but student A went to retard school where the average is a 36% on the standardized tests so their GPA is worth less than student B who went to a normal school where the average on the standardized test was 78%.

Justin Phillips
Justin Phillips

he said he's going to vote for me since I don't know anything.
Tell him to fuck off, holy shit what a terrible dad, personality wise.

Blake Lee
Blake Lee

kill all boomers tbh

Dylan Watson
Dylan Watson

You understand that you both are just arguing for different types of capitalism right?

UBI is a capitalist program

Then he laughs for five fucking minutes about how I'm retarded for saying I get nothing from our discussions. I'm not being dense, am I Zig Forums? Am I really the retarded one?
yes you are

Jason Wright
Jason Wright

Sorry I didn't argue with my far right boomer dad for anprim user. I'll be sure to do that next time instead of arguing for a program that he already thinks is communist. I already don't learn anything from discussions with him, I would prefer to not let it devolve into simply dismissing ideas based on what he thinks communism and socialism are.

Robert Bell
Robert Bell

Sorry I didn't argue with my far right boomer dad for anprim user
he doesn't even sound far right

I'll be sure to do that next time instead of arguing for a program that he already thinks is communist
well you argued in favor of capitalism.

It is a lot easier to talk to the right about things without engaging in overt communist thought.
For example your dad will always reject liberal policies, rightly so.
Instead it would be better to talk about the role of bankers dealing with the economy, unearned income in the form of rent, talk about the commodification of aspects of our lives by capitalism.

You're being idiotic because you feel like there is this sort of debate when really its better to have a discussion on common ground and for some reason you argue in favor of liberalism to conservatives.

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David Cook
David Cook

Boomercide WHEN?!

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Jason Gutierrez
Jason Gutierrez

OP abandoned thread