Race """Realism"""

Oliver James
Oliver James

List of reading material on Intelligence, Genes and Race Realism

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mediafire.com/file/c7hhnmsu8je27ws/Reading material on genetics, intelligence, crime and race.pdf

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Other urls found in this thread:

zigforums.com/thread/2845318/right-politics#q2845456.
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
the-eye.eu/public/Books//4chan_pol_Archives/PDFs/Miscellaneous Unsorted/Propertarianism Library - The Great Books of the Aristocracy/March of the Titans; History of the White Race.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences
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cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/576202030943567892/576204161817772033/Asbury_et_al._-_2005_-_Environmental_moderators_of_genetic_influence_on_v.pdf
cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/576202030943567892/576204217950142484/Bates_et_al._-_2016_-_When_does_socioeconomic_status_SES_moderate_the_.pdf
medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39
pastebin.com/MJzzGFhi
mediafire.com/file/pcwivjosd237q1t/Reading Material v.4.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Europe
census.gov/mso/www/training/pdf/race-ethnicity-onepager.pdf
sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/science-genetics-reshaping-race-debate-21st-century/
gnxp.com/WordPress/2019/03/03/very-ancient-ghosts-in-the-african-genome/
legacy.gscdn.nl/archives/images/suicide_note.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalization_quotient
nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html
reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/2ksbw5/an_incredibly_fascinating_map_of_the_average/
wilderdom.com/personality/intelligenceAustralianAmericanTest.html
wilderdom.com/personality/intelligenceChitlingTestShort.html
wilderdom.com/personality/intelligenceCulturalBias.html
nature.com/articles/6800418
dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3362363/Poverty-lower-IQ-depends-live-Americans-suffer-effects-Europeans.html
journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797615612727

Angel Brown
Angel Brown

Shit, this is going to be one of those things I want to know about but am going to have to add to my backlog that I'm only ever going to find again in like two years.

William Garcia
William Garcia

What are you butthurt about?

Jeremiah Gomez
Jeremiah Gomez

Debunk it lol

Josiah Roberts
Josiah Roberts

I'm not, i figured I'd just post what i got on the subject for others to use

Parker Kelly
Parker Kelly

I remember someone saying before that when Italians first came to America they had low Autism Level scores, but now they're slightly above average. Can anyone substantiate that?

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Sebastian Murphy
Sebastian Murphy

So then why are the places with the lowest lQ also the places with the lowest standard of living?

Why do the highest lQ people also have a higher standard of living?

James Adams
James Adams

Fuck racism!

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Cooper Davis
Cooper Davis

ROFL niggers are getting bleached haha

Nicholas Evans
Nicholas Evans

Cringe

Mason Martin
Mason Martin

OP is cringe

Sebastian Reyes
Sebastian Reyes

Can you niggers fuck off this serious thread

Brody Sullivan
Brody Sullivan

rejects a evolutionary analysis of how the material conditions of geographical areas in the world effect the brain of different groups just because some internet racists use it as a justification for their beleifs
"serious thread"

Austin Fisher
Austin Fisher

/pol/ got shell shocked so hard by BMWF trolls that they started making race mixing propaganda

wew. Go outside

Alexander Taylor
Alexander Taylor

<everyone that makes fun of me is pol
wew

Ayden Wilson
Ayden Wilson

The same "internet racists" are willing to shoot up mosques and synagogues over these poorly formulated ideas
It's a pretty prominent justification for ideologies that advocate ethnic cleansing and really easy to fall into for those unaware of the wider picture

Dominic Ortiz
Dominic Ortiz

The same "internet racists" are willing to shoot up mosques and synagogues over these poorly formulated ideas
Those shootings had nothing to do with the shooter thinking the people had a lack of lQ

It's a pretty prominent justification for ideologies that advocate ethnic cleansing and really easy to fall into for those unaware of the wider picture
This is no reason to reject science and material analysis

Kayden Turner
Kayden Turner

Those shootings had nothing to do with the shooter thinking the people had a lack of lQ
They both use /pol/ of which race realism is a central tennet. No doubt the underlying reason Tarrant doesn't want muslims in "white" countries has more to do with their race than religion

Matthew Baker
Matthew Baker

This is no reason to reject science and material analysis
Also if i were rejecting science i wouldn't link scientific articles on the matter

Samuel Sullivan
Samuel Sullivan

lmao that girl looks like an enderman

Aiden Morgan
Aiden Morgan

They both use /pol/ of which race realism is a central tennet. No doubt the underlying reason Tarrant doesn't want muslims in "white" countries has more to do with their race than religion
Race and lQ are two different things. The shootings were a result of mass migration.

Matthew Clark
Matthew Clark

The same "internet racists" are willing to shoot up mosques and synagogues over these poorly formulated ideas

What? Like most spree killers ('terrorists' included), the politics is just a thin justification/rationalisation for the act. They drift to causes like white nationalism because of their alienation/unbalanced mental state, which lets them justify the act.

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Justin Johnson
Justin Johnson

I always thought that nationalism arose out of some way to package an antipathy towards Muslims, because people thought that they are violent but saying they just want people to live in "their own" countries is a lot more popular. Pretty sure I saw it rise ~2015 but eventually people forgot what they were covering for and ended up believing their own myths.

Jack Howard
Jack Howard

Muslims are the most "alien" aspect of mass immigration, though, since it seems like an open rejection of the ("Western") host society. As a kiwi our Muslim population is relatively/historically insignificant, if anything I'd think a white nationalist would be shooting up a Pasifika/Asian cultural centre or something instead.

Colton Morgan
Colton Morgan

I made responses regarding haplotypes and the idea of race here zigforums.com/thread/2845318/right-politics#q2845456. Most of my other more in depth posts link back to it, so that should make it easier to find them in the discussion. To reiterate:

It's important to clarify that genetic markers and haplogroups exist without question. What we mean when we say "race does not exist" is that the generalized phenotype based constuct of race does not exist. As in, X group of people occupying some shared societal category based on appearance alone, generally skin tone. The problem is that /pol/yps will conflate the two, which makes the statement "race does not exist" sound ridiculous when put into such context. When someone says "race does not exist" without clarifying what they mean by "race", it gives /pol/-types the opportunity to inject a completely different meaning to what we are saying, that is "genetic markers and haplogroups don't exist", a belief which we do not hold.

Other posts discuss race is a poor classification, and we already possess the methods to discern your specific haplogroupings. It should be important to note however that haplogroupings do not describe your entire ancestry and the information to discern haplogroup is generally taken from your paternal side.

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Carson Roberts
Carson Roberts

Why contort language and confuse people only to have would be sympathizers turn against you?

Ryan Gomez
Ryan Gomez

In what way am I contorting language and what "sympathizers" are turning against?

Juan Moore
Juan Moore

This is that /leftpol/ quality we were sorely lacking!

Noah Young
Noah Young

In what way am I contorting language
"race does not exist"
"what we mean by race is"

Only in very technically terms you might be correct but if you try and say race doesn't exist most people will just think thats silly.

Sebastian Stewart
Sebastian Stewart

Language was already contorted. If you try to say anything that is contrary to mainstream public opinion then people will think it's silly. Saying that liberals are rightwing is silly. Saying that competition between firms is inefficient is silly. Saying that private property is theft is silly.

Are we supposed to just accept that out of fear of alienating potential sympathizers?

Samuel Sanchez
Samuel Sanchez

BO didn't ban enough shitters.

Nolan Ramirez
Nolan Ramirez

Language was already contorted
<so let's contort it even more!
This is just counterintuitive

If you try to say anything that is contrary to mainstream public opinion then people will think it's silly. Saying that liberals are rightwing is silly. Saying that competition between firms is inefficient is silly. Saying that private property is theft is silly
So rather than having a coherent discussion about race you come off as obscure

Are we supposed to just accept that out of fear of alienating potential sympathizers
You shouldn't make neuanced statements when you know that most people see race as genetic markers

Hudson Campbell
Hudson Campbell

It isn't possible to have a coherent discussion about race while using common terminology and without making nuanced statements.

Connor Bennett
Connor Bennett

It isn't possible to have a coherent discussion about race while using common terminology and without making nuanced statements
This is just defeatism

Angel Anderson
Angel Anderson

to the baboonarium

Luis Jenkins
Luis Jenkins

It's an observation. When you use common racial terminology and when you avoid nuance, you are lead towards either racist conclusions or liberal egalitarian conclusions because you don't even have the words to reason your way to a coherent materialist conclusion.
It's like trying to discuss capitalism in capitalist terminology, and expecting to come to a Marxist conclusion. It's not possible. That isn't "defeatism", that's just how it works.

Kayden Johnson
Kayden Johnson

muh language
Immediately kill yourselves. The only discussion about "race" should revolve around history, period.

discussion about race
There's nothing to discuss about race. The part that you are leaving unspoken is that you believe there is a functional difference between races, which you leave unspoken because you don't want to be called racists- and make no mistake: you are racists. There are thousands of shitty youtubers like you that whine about having a "discussion about race".

Xavier Garcia
Xavier Garcia

From the way you describe it, it sounds like a racist reappropriation of the similar brainlet argument that anti-vaxers have been using for years. It is not that there are more autistic people now than before, it is just that with more knowledge on the subject the term was expanded to encompass more of them

Jason Edwards
Jason Edwards

There's nothing to discuss about race.
Except for the part where it doesn't exist, which is what the conversation thread was about, which you apparently missed.

Julian King
Julian King

say race doesn't exist most people will just think thats silly.
"Race" as its used by the majority of people does not exist. That is to say "White, Black, etc" are not things grounded in anything concrete.
You shouldn't make neuanced statements when you know that most people see race as genetic markers
No, they don't. For most people, race is categorical and is mostly defined by skin color. When people talk about the "whites" or the "blacks" they aren't talking about specific haplogroups or anything specific. They are talking about these ill-defined social constructions that have no basis besides a few arbitrarily selected phenotypes. The Nenets share significant genetic ancestry with other European groups which would be considered white, yet if a Nenet were to walk around in modern society with no indication they were a Nenet, most people would not see them as "white". Same with the Kazan Tatars, you would find very few in the west who would consider but the lightest "white", yet most share similar genetic ancestry with Eastern Europeans who WOULD be considered white.

Joshua Rivera
Joshua Rivera

k is arbitrary
Nope, it's inferred from peoples self identification, which is important.
Continuation
Lokis wager fallacy.

You're gonna have to do better than that!

Hunter Turner
Hunter Turner

"inferred from self identification" IS arbitrary

Josiah Evans
Josiah Evans

Self identification is objective

Damn i remember when this line of reasoning was mocked with the attack helicopter meme.
So much for the rational right.

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Cooper Harris
Cooper Harris

Ironically the right is full of transracials
They just all identify as white.

Nathaniel Murphy
Nathaniel Murphy

That much determinism would be nice, but things suck and I'm expected to be a functional adult with responsibilities instead of an RPG character with stats and some cool spells.

Caleb Nelson
Caleb Nelson

snowniggers

Cooper Brown
Cooper Brown

That's A LOT of links. I added it as a collapsible element on the Wiki.

marxistpedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

Carson Jones
Carson Jones

(me)
It would be nice if someone knowledgeable in this thread could build an article on the basis of it.

Zachary Wood
Zachary Wood

just to add
variation in a one ethnicity group is the same as variation between two ethnicity groups
genes expression can change significantly through one's life because of adaptation to environmental factors and genes change significantly through generations.
the mainstream understanding of race is too simplified and incorrect

Thomas Flores
Thomas Flores

Thanks, i might add that not all links are seemingly pertinent so do not treat the entire list as a measured refutation
Some studies are indeed direct addresses to hereditarian arguments, others are studies on factors relevant to racial disparities, however some are brief introductory summaries and reading material on similar subjects

Alexander Baker
Alexander Baker

It's an observation. When you use common racial terminology and when you avoid nuance, you are lead towards either racist conclusions or liberal egalitarian conclusions because you don't even have the words to reason your way to a coherent materialist conclusion.
how so?

It's like trying to discuss capitalism in capitalist terminology, and expecting to come to a Marxist conclusion. It's not possible. That isn't "defeatism", that's just how it works.
Not its not

Noah Jackson
Noah Jackson

"Race" as its used by the majority of people does not exist. That is to say "White, Black, etc" are not things grounded in anything concrete.
Genetic Markers don't exist?
They do.
Black and white is just short for European and African which are every real groups of people

They are talking about these ill-defined social constructions that have no basis besides a few arbitrarily selected phenotypes
So? you calling it ill defined does not negate these groups.

The Nenets share significant genetic ancestry with other European groups which would be considered white, yet if a Nenet were to walk around in modern society with no indication they were a Nenet, most people would not see them as "white". Same with the Kazan Tatars, you would find very few in the west who would consider but the lightest "white", yet most share similar genetic ancestry with Eastern Europeans who WOULD be considered white.
Do you not understand what outliers are?
Just because there isn't a hardline separating groups of people does not mean race does not exist.

Nathan Ross
Nathan Ross

Immediately kill yourselves. The only discussion about "race" should revolve around history, period.
no it should revovle around science

Matthew Smith
Matthew Smith

'It should revolve around science'

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Dylan Williams
Dylan Williams

Yes it should revolve around science not strawman arguments

Adrian Watson
Adrian Watson

Would you like me to dump my debunking of nordicism here?

Cooper Roberts
Cooper Roberts

you didn't debunk it though

Samuel Torres
Samuel Torres

You are the one strawmanning you snownigger.
Whatever

Dylan Hill
Dylan Hill

That's what I'm asking, if you'd like me to dump all my infographics and other shit on that

Elijah James
Elijah James

You are the one strawmanning you snownigger.
shitposting

Jackson Roberts
Jackson Roberts

That's what I'm asking, if you'd like me to dump all my infographics and other shit on that
So you think dumping information with no explanation behind it is an argument?
What are you even arguing against?

Luis Morgan
Luis Morgan

I'm not arguing against anyone here wtf
I was just thinking that it's a not uncommon alt right talking point and if anyone wanted to argue against it in future i could supply some ammo

Grayson Watson
Grayson Watson

I'm not arguing against anyone here wtf
then whats the point of dumping info

Jose Cruz
Jose Cruz

For others to read and use? Not every thing has to be about an immediate argument

Wyatt Garcia
Wyatt Garcia

For others to read and use? Not every thing has to be about an immediate argument
"debunking" is inherently argumentative

Cooper Thompson
Cooper Thompson

What ammo could possibly convince any male of average intelligence that pygmies have the exact same mental traits as Japanese? Post some infographics debunking sex realism. Existence of biological sex is an alt right talking point too.

Noah Jenkins
Noah Jenkins

Do you know what nordicism is?
The belief that virtually all ancient civilisations were actually comprised of light featured aryans who were bred out by brown natives

Levi Bell
Levi Bell

The belief that virtually all ancient civilisations were actually comprised of light featured aryans who were bred out by brown natives
I have a feeling you made that up.

Christopher Ward
Christopher Ward

Nope, pic related is an example of this kind of shit
Arthur Kemp: March of the Titans - a book all about how we (nordics) wuz kangz n shiet in every ancient civilisation

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Josiah Jackson
Josiah Jackson

Nope, pic related is an example of this kind of shit
no its not

Arthur Kemp: March of the Titans - a book all about how we (nordics) wuz kangz n shiet in every ancient civilisation
Again this is incorrect it is just a history of the European people

If you don't believe me you can read it here
the-eye.eu/public/Books//4chan_pol_Archives/PDFs/Miscellaneous Unsorted/Propertarianism Library - The Great Books of the Aristocracy/March of the Titans; History of the White Race.pdf

Zachary Butler
Zachary Butler

There's a section on ancient history in which he claims shit like modern greeks aren't related to ancient greeks and their true descendents are north-west europeans

Kevin Adams
Kevin Adams

Except he says right in his manifesto that he gives zero shits what islamists do in the middle east. The second they cross over into western nations and the rape jihad begins it open season.
Is this really so hard to understand?
It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with nation and soveriegnty for the members of the nation.
If a million brits or french showed up in my hometown it would be war.

Luis Collins
Luis Collins

Also you clearly say "no doubt". You are peojecting. This is all assumptions that has to do with how you feel about the situation and your life experiences but flies directly counter to what was actually expressed by those involved.

You are looking for a racial spin on simple invasion. Native Americans didn't fight euros cause they were racist and thought euros were inferior. They fought euros cause they wanted to preserve their homeland and culture.

Jacob Myers
Jacob Myers

There's a section on ancient history in which he claims shit like modern greeks aren't related to ancient greeks and their true descendents are north-west europeans

Ok and?

Cameron Rodriguez
Cameron Rodriguez

That is nordicism

Luke Jenkins
Luke Jenkins

You said Nordicism was
belief that virtually all ancient civilisations were actually comprised of light featured aryans who were bred out by brown natives
But the only thing that resembles this is:
There's a section on ancient history in which he claims shit like modern greeks aren't related to ancient greeks and their true descendents are north-west europeans
To which you provided no citation or quotes. So you probably misrepresented the actual argument.

However saying one thing about the Greeks is not "EVERY civilization is made up of aryans"
So by your own definitions of Nordicism you are incorrect.

But for Kemp's actual argument it makes sense that modern greeks would be different from ancient Greeks.
2000+ years of time including being a part of multiple empires being occupied by ethnic Turks for hundreds of years, migration etc. You'd be hard pressed to make an argument that ethnic Greeks and the exact same as ancient Greeks.

Josiah Diaz
Josiah Diaz

Except it's verifiably false

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Parker Wood
Parker Wood

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Luis Ramirez
Luis Ramirez

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Nolan Thomas
Nolan Thomas

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Jordan King
Jordan King

Do you have an actual argument?

Your cringe dump is meaningless if you have no substance behind it

Sebastian Morris
Sebastian Morris

Chapters 5-13 are literally him pointing out how these civilisations were ruled by "nordic" aryans
I take it you haven't actually even looked at it

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Cooper Morris
Cooper Morris

Chapters 5-13 are literally him pointing out how these civilisations were ruled by "nordic" aryans

I take it you haven't actually even looked at it
No its talking about indo european migration

Luke Harris
Luke Harris

Genetic evidence, anthropological evidence, artistic evidence, literary evidence
You were saying
You'd be hard pressed to make an argument that ethnic Greeks and the exact same as ancient Greeks.

Adrian Gutierrez
Adrian Gutierrez

Which he likes to think are nordic

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Hunter Rogers
Hunter Rogers

An example as you seem obsessed with defending this mongoloid

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Christian Rivera
Christian Rivera

Genetic evidence, anthropological evidence, artistic evidence, literary evidence
You were saying
Do you have anything other than /pol/ tier infographic?

Asher Evans
Asher Evans

do you have any other evidence besides evidence
By the way search results for nordic return 252 cases. He takes pretty much every statue as "proof" X ancient people were nordic aryans.

Levi Williams
Levi Williams

By the way search results for nordic return 252 cases. He takes pretty much every statue as "proof" X ancient people were nordic aryans.
whats with the autistic reaction to a book no one reads?

Dylan Baker
Dylan Baker

I assume you've read it

Andrew Jenkins
Andrew Jenkins

I assume you've read it
Yes and you're arguing against points he never made
But why you're obsessing over Nordicism is beyond me

Jonathan Ross
Jonathan Ross

points he never made
Are you fucking kidding me, just re-read the chapter on hellenes

Carson Powell
Carson Powell

The first picture does not challenge race realist narratives at all, as divorces are initiated by women 80%+ of the time. Meaning the white women thought they were settling for less when dating black men, and black women perceived themselves as marrying up. The race realist take would simply be that is one of the thousands of every day reflections of people knowing and acting on the fact of human biodiversity, they would also bring up the extremely high rate of domestic abuse in black male and white female couples. It cements their narrative

Thomas Lewis
Thomas Lewis

What we mean when we say "race does not exist" is that the generalized phenotype based constuct of race does not exist.
Then you would be lying, are you pulling a Sargon? Can you tell what race Laurence Fishburn is?

Isaac Hall
Isaac Hall

"Race" as its used by the majority of people does not exist. That is to say "White, Black, etc" are not things grounded in anything concrete.
It is extremely concrete, as they are the only mathematically valid categories when sorted by haplogroups or genetic distance. This board is fucking brain dead for believing this non-sense. Every time you try to pump out the same copy pasta of that rationalwiki article, you don't even come up with new fallacies. It's the same old ones repeated ad nauseam. Not a single person on this board understands evolution

Connor Wood
Connor Wood

The same "internet racists" are willing to shoot up mosques and synagogues over these poorly formulated ideas
You want to genocide and slaughter people in a revolution, you don't have grounds to pretend to be indignant on anything. We can also look at the callousness you responded to the Rotherham rape gangs, there was a not single socialists who did not side with the brown rapists. Presumably the antifa bombed the houses of investigators just for a laugh

Alexander Young
Alexander Young

Are you fucking kidding me, just re-read the chapter on hellenes
see

David Rivera
David Rivera

Not a single person on this board understands evolution
You're on this board

Daniel Gomez
Daniel Gomez

2 lines, 3 strawmen

Nicholas Young
Nicholas Young

Why are leftists attacking people who are against the rape gangs

Dominic Wood
Dominic Wood

It is extremely concrete
Show it to me.

Nathaniel Kelly
Nathaniel Kelly

Everyone and their mother except rape gangs are against rape gangs, you retard.

Hunter Richardson
Hunter Richardson

But four out of five people enjoy gang rape.

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Charles Morgan
Charles Morgan

Everyone and their mother except rape gangs are against rape gangs, you retard.
not the media, antifa, other leftwing orgs

Joshua Baker
Joshua Baker

Only among prison nazis
Yes, the stereotypical hippie sjw antifa member is totally down with rape gangs, that's why they call you fascist

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Brayden Davis
Brayden Davis

Yes, the stereotypical hippie sjw antifa member is totally down with rape gangs, that's why they call you fascist

why do they try and silence all criticism of them

Jackson Cruz
Jackson Cruz

Thought I would contribute

If you have one district where everyone lives in absolute misery and Autism Level test them and test another district where people live modestly, don't be surprised by the results. That may just mean that their intelligence may have been lowered by their circumstances not that Autism Level isn't a measure of intelligence. I agree that Autism Level is not an accurate measure of intelligence because it leaves out things like creative intelligence, etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences Autism Level is one of the strongest measures of *g* aka *general intelligence *which isn't the same thing as capital "I" Intelligence.
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*However, restriction in range in parent disinhibatoy psychopathology and family SES had no effect on adoptive-sibling correlations for delinquency, drug use, and Autism Level."*

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In contrast to the findings of Turkheimer et al. (2003), there was no evidence in these data that familiality for cognitive abilities was lower in the lower as opposed to upper levels of socioeconomic status. These results were consistent across measures, ethnicity and sex of offspring
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Just some general sources, fuck racists honestly

Ayden Thompson
Ayden Thompson

I also forgot

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Juan Watson
Juan Watson

Don't know. Why are all right-wingers bald football hooligans with tribal tattoos? You're making so large generalizations that I don't even know what you're talking about

Joseph Peterson
Joseph Peterson

Why can't you answer the question

William Brooks
William Brooks

it's based on a misconception to begin with.

here's one for you. why do all right-wingers have microscopic penises?

Christopher Parker
Christopher Parker

You are still unable to answer a simple question

Why is the media and leftists attacking anyone who criticizes rape gangs?

Why is that so hard to answer

Jonathan Jackson
Jonathan Jackson

it's the 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧joos🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 xD

Aiden Moore
Aiden Moore

Funny how some leftists would rather take any side that isn't anti immigrant than admit mass migrantion is bad

Connor Jones
Connor Jones

Migration is naturally bad, it out sources jobs and takes migrants as targets for exploitation

You’re half ass race theory doesn’t mean shit

David Cruz
David Cruz

There isn't any race bating going on.
Just some liberal pretending to be a leftist and unable to answer a simple question

Lincoln Myers
Lincoln Myers

Oh, carry on then.

Wyatt Fisher
Wyatt Fisher

ITT: there's circumstantial evidence working against brown people and also race is hard to gauge so let's not think about it to hard guys

:🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧))

have you people ever considered that there could be environmental factors AND genetic factors that affect Autism Level?

Henry Mitchell
Henry Mitchell

Have you considered the possibility that black people might have higher genetic I.Q. levels?
Of course not, although considering the present evidence this is entirely possible.
Interesting how that works.
Maybe, just maybe, racial Autism Level is something we shouldn't worry about, since we can't make any strong claims on them either way. Environmental influences, on the other hand, are way more immediately evident.

Kevin Parker
Kevin Parker

yes we can lmao, it's both and importing more niggers isn't gonna help anyone.

also is it a funny coincidence that literally the only highly intelligent black people are literally always mixed race. both have a significant effect and yes we can make strong claims about race.

maybe if it wasn't a massive taboo to suggest in racial difference we'd actually have some really damn well established claims as well

Daniel Rivera
Daniel Rivera

that isn't happening to begin with

and why aren't YOU unable to answer a simple question? why do you have such a tiny penis?

Brandon Parker
Brandon Parker

also is it a funny coincidence that literally the only highly intelligent black people are literally always mixed race
it's only funny because you just made it up

Cameron Peterson
Cameron Peterson

that isn't happening to begin with
Everyone who speaks out against Muslim rape gangs is demonized by the media or attacked by leftist orgs
Why is that
Why can you not answer a simple question

Leo Diaz
Leo Diaz

Give me a list of all the alleles that make a white person storm cuck. Can't do it can you. You dumb ass Amerimutts literally classify race based on your feelings.
Why the fuck isn't everyone on this board sage'in the fuck out of this thread. Whitetarians I swear..

Easton Wright
Easton Wright

If they have higher la why do they need to migrant to less intelligent countries?

Juan Wilson
Juan Wilson

What are you butthurt about?

Xavier Sullivan
Xavier Sullivan

When has importing third worlders out weighed the bad?

Nathan Morgan
Nathan Morgan

both have a significant effect and yes we can make strong claims about race.
Well, you can, but it means you're an idiot.
Because of the environmental factors? How dense are you people?

Brandon Campbell
Brandon Campbell

Did he say anything about that? The leftist opinion throughout this whole thread has been that third-world immigration is unfortunate. Those third-world countries need their best and brightest to get themselves on their feet. Ideally we should be exporting our best people there. That's not how capitalism works though, it causes major brain-drain for countries that are least able to bear it.

Juan Moore
Juan Moore

tfw american mongrels consider THIS white

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Brody Harris
Brody Harris

YOU getting demonized for it by somebody is probably because your solution involves muh ethnostate or whatever nonsense. despite the fact that your hypothetical nordic genes were based on plenty of raping and pillaging as-is. if anything. though i doubt even that's happened. the persecution complex with you /pol/yps is so real

Nathan Watson
Nathan Watson

List the white alleles storm cuck. I thought all this race realism bullshit was scientifically rigorous. You're dumbass doesn't even have an empirically testable definition of "white".

Jason Rivera
Jason Rivera

Did he say anything about that?
when did I say he said that?

Logan Price
Logan Price

YOU getting demonized for it by somebody is probably because your solution involves muh ethnostate or whatever nonsense. despite the fact that your hypothetical nordic genes were based on plenty of raping and pillaging as-is. if anything. though i doubt even that's happened. the persecution complex with you /pol/yps is so real

Its a simple question though why are you deflecting so much?

Carson Walker
Carson Walker

Could you explain the significance of those studies?

Nolan Reed
Nolan Reed

It's all they got fren. No addressing of points just word games and shame tactics.

Christopher Brown
Christopher Brown

I've got the answer:
You're Nazi autism cause YouTube, Twitter etc al. to lose money.
Storm cucks drive away normies. Those platforms are private property, so the owners can do anything with them that they sit fit to make a profit.
Why do you hate private property so much, you some kind of communist.

Elijah Cruz
Elijah Cruz

I just addressed the point here, no list the alleles of white people mutt.

Nathaniel Scott
Nathaniel Scott

why doesn't that narrative go both ways, though?
If white women perceive black man as less due to class dynamics involved, why doesn't this account for the discrepancy?

Daniel Wright
Daniel Wright

It's all they got fren. No addressing of points just word games and shame tactics.

Why would I when you cannot answer the question at hand?

Jeremiah Kelly
Jeremiah Kelly

this would be true if the only attacks were banning people them on

Jaxon Nguyen
Jaxon Nguyen

wut?

Michael Wood
Michael Wood

Spread this to every forum

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Logan Cox
Logan Cox

please speak english thanks

Michael Cox
Michael Cox

That's really cute. I'm still waiting for a gay monarch though.

Colton Sullivan
Colton Sullivan

i answered your gay question. what do you want

Grayson Thomas
Grayson Thomas

i answered your gay question. what do you want
oh rely? where?

Mason Gray
Mason Gray

Has anyone made a thorough refutation of this article or is taleb right?
medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

Liam Hall
Liam Hall

Here

John Edwards
John Edwards

oh rely? where?
Here

Jayden Scott
Jayden Scott

and I counter that try again

Easton Carter
Easton Carter

I've added just a bit more

pastebin.com/MJzzGFhi

mediafire.com/file/pcwivjosd237q1t/Reading Material v.4.pdf

Anthony Cox
Anthony Cox

cringe

Adrian Davis
Adrian Davis

O really where?

Oliver Turner
Oliver Turner

Opened this thread, got exactly what I expected to see. Let's not forget that this obsession with the nordic/aryan race, supposedly supported by Autism Level data and historical revision, is really just extremely intense rationalization of a sexual fantasy. All this race shit is because /pol/ wants to bang the white girl who is into Tyrone, or maybe even just another white guy with better genetics, or they're afraid of their girl cheating with Tyrone, and they feel disgust towards black women. Anyone with a brain not totally ossified in reactionary ideology can recognize the fact that historic discrimination against black people and exploitation of countries mainly populated by black people has led to generations of poverty and disenfranchisement which continues to this day. Even if you could prove to me that every single white person is smarter than every single black person, which you can't, your obsession is still beyond pathological, and its so obviously founded on a sexual neurosis, I bet a good deal, if not all of these racists are anti-feminist/anti-sjw/gamergaters.

Do I need to go on? The seething poltards will be the ones who decide.

Cameron Bailey
Cameron Bailey

Something observed by the great Karl Popper, psychologists have a tendency to pathologize people who bust them by tagging them with some type of disorder, or personality flaw such as “childish” , “narcissist”, “egomaniac”, or something similar
to be fair taleb IS a narcissist egomaniac

Owen Martin
Owen Martin

<making up argument out of an obsession with pol
none of that is true though

Sebastian Richardson
Sebastian Richardson

Genetic Markers don't exist? They do.
Never said they didn't
Black and white is just short for European and African which are every real groups of people
Which European groups are white? Are Europeans without R1b considered white? Are middle easterners with ancestery similar to other groups considered European considered white? Are people from upper Africa to be considered the same as those from lower Africa, despite distinct genetic differences? Are Hispanics white given grouping overlap?
So? you calling it ill defined does not negate these groups.
There exist groups, but they are not what is colloquially used. We can specifically pin down an individuals ancestry (more or less) so these classifications which are based on mostly grouping disparate populations has no value.
Do you not understand what outliers are? Just because there isn't a hardline separating groups of people does not mean race does not exist.
If you mean race by specific haplogroupings and the information regarding your ancestry which tells you your distance to set markers, then "race" does exist. If you mean race by "Everyone from the beginning of the west coast of Europe to the end of Russia is white" then no, it does not.
But muh continuum fallacy
This might have bearing if the technology did not exist for us to differentiate between specific individual ancestry or haplogrouping, but that technology does now exist and is being further developed. The reason we utilize, for example, color groupings is because our eyes are unable to discern the specific color "codes" and so label them broadly to simplify. However, now that we have access to the entire palete of colors through color programs and the like, we are able to find the specific code and shade of any desired color, even those within a gradient or in-between before said groupings.
It is extremely concrete, as they are the only mathematically valid categories when sorted by haplogroups or genetic distance.
No, it is not. Read the discussion in the linked thread in which someone tried to claim as such by linking a study which did no such thing.
Can you tell what race Laurence Fishburn is?
Are you trying to say phenotypes are a good indicator of his specific ancestral groupings? Can you tell me his specific ancestry without taking a DNA sample?

Jack Smith
Jack Smith

Genetic Markers don't exist? They do.
Never said they didn't
Black and white is just short for European and African which are every real groups of people

Which European groups are white? Are Europeans without R1b considered white? Are middle easterners with ancestery similar to other groups considered European considered white? Are people from upper Africa to be considered the same as those from lower Africa, despite distinct genetic differences? Are Hispanics white given grouping overlap?
People who's ancestors descend from Europe

There exist groups, but they are not what is colloquially used. We can specifically pin down an individuals ancestry (more or less) so these classifications which are based on mostly grouping disparate populations has no value.
so these classifications which are based on mostly grouping disparate populations has no value.
why not

If you mean race by specific haplogroupings and the information regarding your ancestry which tells you your distance to set markers, then "race" does exist.
this is what most people view race as
If you mean race by "Everyone from the beginning of the west coast of Europe to the end of Russia is white" then no, it does not.
literally no one says this

This might have bearing if the technology did not exist for us to differentiate between specific individual ancestry or haplogrouping, but that technology does now exist and is being further developed. The reason we utilize, for example, color groupings is because our eyes are unable to discern the specific color "codes" and so label them broadly to simplify. However, now that we have access to the entire palete of colors through color programs and the like, we are able to find the specific code and shade of any desired color, even those within a gradient or in-between before said groupings.
and..?

Jaxon Jones
Jaxon Jones

People who's ancestors descend from Europe
So gypsies who have been in Europe for over a thousand of years are considered white?
Bulgarians and Hungarians who came around the 5th century and mixed with local Slavs are considered white as well?

I know it's hard for your mongrel micro brain to comprehend this, since having a dog bred in Europe makes you think you are "white" as well, but things don't really work like that.

Dominic White
Dominic White

So gypsies who have been in Europe for over a thousand of years are considered white?
Well they've been nomads so this isn't correct.

Bulgarians and Hungarians who came around the 5th century and mixed with local Slavs are considered white as well?
maybe

I know it's hard for your mongrel micro brain to comprehend this,
lol being THIS mad

since having a dog bred in Europe makes you think you are "white" as well, but things don't really work like that.
butthurt :^)
anti racists btfo

Thomas Fisher
Thomas Fisher

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Julian Stewart
Julian Stewart

that is literally the guy I replied to

Bentley Torres
Bentley Torres

This is a pretty shitty psychoanalysis of /pol/tards. They're so easy to psychoanalyse too. Please step up your game.

Colton Nguyen
Colton Nguyen

psychoanalysis is a spook

Leo Clark
Leo Clark

Black and white is just short for European and African which are every real groups of people
These are not specific genetic groupings. The various populations of Europe posses different genetic make-ups, with many having a relatively small amount of R1b which many view as being the the y-dna haplogroup for Europeans. Africa itself has genetic breakups which would make grouping all of the populations as one simply ridiculous and with the basis only being proximity. And that's not getting into the fact thar historically the term white and black were not utilized as such, they mostly denoted appearance with some European populations not even being seen as white but as something "other".
People who's ancestors descend from Europe
Which ones? And which Europe are we discussing, the Europe of today, the Europe of the the feudal and pre-feudal ages, or the Europe of pre-history? Is the distinction of what is European genetic or geographical (as in, even though a certain group differs genetically they are still European based on geography). Are various middle eastern populations white or not?
why not
You haven't really given a reason for why we should. The only reason I could imagine is medical, and as I said we posess the means to tailor medicine to an individuals specific genetic data, not their socially constructed grouping.
this is what most people view race as
Historically no, and colloquially no. Usually when you discuss with a person in public society regarding the topic of races, they rarely will talk of the genetic admixture that makes up the average German or a Fin, or the Ari and the Pygmy people of Africa, and instead talk broadly with categorization based on appearance. A dark skinned person, whether he be from Africa or Australia, is black. A light skinned person with roundish eyes, whether they be from Europe, Latin America, or the Middle East, is white. A somewhat swarthy person with asiatic features may be viewed as European sometimes, but other times as purely Asian or asian-mixed.
literally no one says this
You are literally arguing with me about how white is purely defined by European ancestry from populations originating in Europe.
and..?
And so what use are categorizations such as black, white, etc. when we possess better ones?

Cooper Long
Cooper Long

These are not specific genetic groupings
no one is trying to say they are.

The various populations of Europe posses different genetic make-ups, with many having a relatively small amount of R1b which many view as being the the y-dna haplogroup for Europeans
correct.

Africa itself has genetic breakups which would make grouping all of the populations as one simply ridiculous and with the basis only being proximity
That is why the distinction is often made between north Africans and Saharan Africans

And that's not getting into the fact thar historically the term white and black were not utilized as such, they mostly denoted appearance with some European populations not even being seen as white but as something "other".
This is just semantics

Which ones? And which Europe are we discussing, the Europe of today, the Europe of the the feudal and pre-feudal ages, or the Europe of pre-history? Is the distinction of what is European genetic or geographical (as in, even though a certain group differs genetically they are still European based on geography).
depends on the group you're talking about.
you can learn more about European ethnicity here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Europe

Are various middle eastern populations white or not?
Please refer to my previous comment about people who descend from Europe

You haven't really given a reason for why we should.
But we already do use these terms

The only reason I could imagine is medical, and as I said we posess the means to tailor medicine to an individuals specific genetic data, not their socially constructed grouping.
Immigration policy is a big one.

Historically no,
this changes over time

and colloquially no
colloquially people use general genetic markers to refer to someone's race

Usually when you discuss with a person in public society regarding the topic of races, they rarely will talk of the genetic admixture
wrong. saying a person is part this or part that is common they just don't use such technical language.

that makes up the average German or a Fin, or the Ari and the Pygmy people of Africa, and instead talk broadly with categorization based on appearance.
yes these are easily identifiable to the lay person.

A dark skinned person, whether he be from Africa or Australia, is black. A light skinned person with roundish eyes, whether they be from Europe, Latin America, or the Middle East, is white. A somewhat swarthy person with asiatic features may be viewed as European sometimes, but other times as purely Asian or asian-mixed.
Correct. However just because there is not a hard line between the races does not mean they do not exist at all.

You are literally arguing with me about how white is purely defined by European ancestry from populations originating in Europe.
The end of Russia is in asia learn geography

And so what use are categorizations such as black, white, etc. when we possess better ones?
The better ones are more technical and not used by the average person.

Dylan Ortiz
Dylan Ortiz

These are not specific genetic groupings. The various populations of Europe posses different genetic make-ups, with many having a relatively small amount of R1b which many view as being the the y-dna haplogroup for Europeans. Africa itself has genetic breakups which would make grouping all of the populations as one simply ridiculous and with the basis only being proximity. And that's not getting into the fact thar historically the term white and black were not utilized as such, they mostly denoted appearance with some European populations not even being seen as white but as something "other".
Can you explain this better in layman's terms. Particularly what's meant by:
The various populations of Europe posses different genetic make-ups, with many having a relatively small amount of R1b which many view as being the the y-dna haplogroup for Europeans.
I get that haplogroups are genetic markers that people share. But those genetic markers are responsible for appearance like black skin, so to say a haplogroup is a "race" is like saying all cars with wheels are Fords. Do I have this correct?

Jonathan Moore
Jonathan Moore

no one is trying to say they are.
Yes you are, you are saying race is genetic. A race is grouping of people that share some set of genetics which is why they look so distinct from different races. Then you link stuff like criminal behavior to said genetics.

Jaxson Wood
Jaxson Wood

And that's not getting into the fact thar historically the term white and black were not utilized as such, they mostly denoted appearance with some European populations not even being seen as white but as something "other".

This is just semantics

Which ones? And which Europe are we discussing, the Europe of today, the Europe of the the feudal and pre-feudal ages, or the Europe of pre-history? Is the distinction of what is European genetic or geographical (as in, even though a certain group differs genetically they are still European based on geography).

depends on the group you're talking about.

you can learn more about European ethnicity here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Europe

You're responses make the definition of the "white race" stupendously fluid. If race is genetic then there should be a set of genes you could point to.
Also where do mixed races people fit in? Is someone like Obama white, because he would definitely have haplogroup markers from both European and African ancestry.

Ian Morales
Ian Morales

*But those genetic markers are not responsible for appearance like black skin
don't forget to sage this bullshit race realism thread

Justin Kelly
Justin Kelly

colloquially people use general genetic markers to refer to someone's race
No they don't, you can't see someone's haplogroup by looking at them. If you say you can then define all the alleles, or at least the phenotype that you think can identify a given haplogroup.

Daniel Brooks
Daniel Brooks

Yes you are, you are saying race is genetic
No I said race us a colloquial term for genetic groupings.

Then you link stuff like criminal behavior to said genetics.
when did I do this?

Jordan Jenkins
Jordan Jenkins

You're responses make the definition of the "white race" stupendously fluid. If race is genetic then there should be a set of genes you could point to.
You can point to shared genes among Europeans

Brayden Roberts
Brayden Roberts

Also where do mixed races people fit in? Is someone like Obama white, because he would definitely have haplogroup markers from both European and African ancestry.
You answered your own question
mixed.

Caleb Kelly
Caleb Kelly

No they don't,
yes they do.
dark skin from africa = black
light skin from Europe = white
etc

Henry Torres
Henry Torres

The only reason I could imagine is medical, and as I said we posess the means to tailor medicine to an individuals specific genetic data, not their socially constructed grouping.
Immigration policy is a big one.
Can you show any type of casual relationship between one's haplogroup and negative economic or social consequences. And who's definition are you using.
Europeans got themselves into 2 World Wars and lots of smaller ones long before Muslims started immigrating.
Also a astonishingly small amount of people have been scientifically categorized in their given haplogroup. So all the crime stats about blacks and muslims would have to be thrown out since we don't know what haplogroup those "races" came from.

Julian Martin
Julian Martin

bumping because you saged

Aiden Morris
Aiden Morris

dark skin from africa = black
light skin from Europe = white
Okay great! Now we're getting somewhere! So black skin makes a black person. Now give a list of alleles that make a black person, or white person. Because the haplogroup markers ain't responsible for any of that.
How can I genetically determine a "black" person without specific alleles.

Luke Thomas
Luke Thomas

Can you show any type of casual relationship between one's haplogroup and negative economic or social consequences. And who's definition are you using.
When did I say this?

Europeans got themselves into 2 World Wars and lots of smaller ones long before Muslims started immigrating
When have I ever brought up ww2 or muslims?

Also a astonishingly small amount of people have been scientifically categorized in their given haplogroup.
So all the crime stats about blacks and muslims would have to be thrown out since we don't know what haplogroup those "races" came from.
what are you even talking about?

It seems like you're trying to argue against points I've never made
Also sage isn't a downvote

Thomas Martin
Thomas Martin

Skin color = haplogroups

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Xavier Jenkins
Xavier Jenkins

No, you said because there's ambiguity in races that doesn't mean they don't exist.
All I'm asking is how said ambiguity is arrived at. Is Obama white, black something else? Let's say Obama had children with a white woman, would those children be white, or black? Roughly where does the threshold lie?

Eli Evans
Eli Evans

Okay great! Now we're getting somewhere! So black skin makes a black person
This is incomplete. What I said was dark skin from africa = black

How can I genetically determine a "black" person without specific alleles.
If they have dark skin and originated in africa

Easton Thompson
Easton Thompson

Skin color = haplogroups
not what I said

Ryder Bell
Ryder Bell

You said haplogroups = race and race = skin color.
So haplogroup = race = skin color.
If you're saying race is only determined by haplogroups then all I'm saying is that you can't draw any conclusions about anyone that has had their haplogroup determined in a lab which is the vast majority of people.

Benjamin Garcia
Benjamin Garcia

If they have dark skin and originated in africa
African albinos aren't Blacks then?

Jackson Richardson
Jackson Richardson

No, you said because there's ambiguity in races that doesn't mean they don't exist.
This is also not what I said.

All I'm asking is how said ambiguity is arrived at. Is Obama white, black something else?

Let's say Obama had children with a white woman, would those children be white, or black? Roughly where does the threshold lie?
You answered your own question already here "where do mixed races people fit in"
they would literally be mixed.

Jayden Ramirez
Jayden Ramirez

You said haplogroups = race and race = skin color.
I never said haplogroups = race

Carter Stewart
Carter Stewart

This is incomplete. What I said was dark skin from africa = black
So what does dark skin from other regions equal? Like say American blacks, they consistently have shown to have a lot of white ancestry in them a lot of slave masters were fucking their slaves but I think you'd agree that even the lightest of them are clearly black. So if they have white ancestry but appear black, what are they?

Cooper Nelson
Cooper Nelson

African albinos aren't Blacks then?
Like I said, generally. The exception does not disprove the rule.
We know with modern medicine that albinism is just a skin condition

Caleb Ortiz
Caleb Ortiz

This is also not what I said.
It is but I'll leave that be.
they would literally be mixed.
Okay so you're going with the one drop theory. Alright, what about a white person with say 1/64 black in them. At that point they'd be pretty white, but you'd still consider them black?

Josiah Jenkins
Josiah Jenkins

Okay let's make it simpler. What phenotypes make a black or white person. Are those phenotypes correlated to the haplogroups, and can you prove that?
But let's just start with square one, list all the phenotypes that make a white person.

Christopher Richardson
Christopher Richardson

So what does dark skin from other regions equal
people just refer to them by what country or how they identify themselves.
Indians are just indians
abos are just abos etc.

Like say American blacks, they consistently have shown to have a lot of white ancestry in them a lot of slave masters were fucking their slaves but I think you'd agree that even the lightest of them are clearly black.
black enough to be considered black.
Not as dark as Africans in Africa.

So if they have white ancestry but appear black, what are they
if you ask one they'd say "yeah I'm black but I'm light skin or probably part white"

Gavin Rogers
Gavin Rogers

Okay, what is a race. What objective measure can I use to determine a race. Go nuts, make it anything, all I ask is that it's rigorous and consistent.

Evan Wright
Evan Wright

It is but I'll leave that be.
where then?

Okay so you're going with the one drop theory. Alright, what about a white person with say 1/64 black in them. At that point they'd be pretty white, but you'd still consider them black?
mostly white with some black

Isaac Long
Isaac Long

if you ask one they'd say "yeah I'm black but I'm light skin or probably part white"
Explain why so many /pol/yp mongrels consider themselves white then

Brayden Phillips
Brayden Phillips

Okay let's make it simpler. What phenotypes make a black or white person. Are those phenotypes correlated to the haplogroups, and can you prove that?
no one considers phenotypes when talking about blacks

But let's just start with square one, list all the phenotypes that make a white person.
no its irrelevant

Connor Kelly
Connor Kelly

people just refer to them by what country or how they identify themselves.
So Indian's aren't a race? So your race theory has people that completely fall outside of race. Okay that's new, I'll admit I didn't know that. How does one determine if they are in a race or not, haplogroups?
black enough to be considered black.
Not as dark as Africans in Africa.
But you said haplogroup markers make a race, if that's not the case what is the significance of haplogroups if being black is just determined by how dark you are.
if you ask one they'd say "yeah I'm black but I'm light skin or probably part white"
So if I identify as white I'm white?

Jack Adams
Jack Adams

Explain why so many /pol/yp mongrels consider themselves white then
they don't? /pol/ is multiracial

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Henry Sanders
Henry Sanders

mostly white with some black
You said if Obama, had children with a white woman they'd be black. But mathematically they'd 75% white. Where does the shift happen? 80%? 90%?
What happens when someone is say equal amounts of 4 different races?

Hunter Robinson
Hunter Robinson

black enough to be considered black.
How much black is black enough?

John Mitchell
John Mitchell

So Indian's aren't a race?
I never said this.

So your race theory has people that completely fall outside of race. Okay that's new, I'll admit I didn't know that.
<I'm going to argue against points you never made.
You're failing hard at this debate.

How does one determine if they are in a race or not, haplogroups
colloquial terms are decided by how the speakers use them

But you said haplogroup markers make a race
I didn't say this
if that's not the case what is the significance of haplogroups if being black is just determined by how dark you are.
No where did I bring up haplogroups

So if I identify as white I'm white?
I identify as fucking your mom
call me daddy

Nolan Wilson
Nolan Wilson

no one considers phenotypes when talking about blacks
Then how can you draw conclusions about race if you aren't going by phenotypes? How can you know every "black" person who raped a white woman was in fact "black" by your definition.
If you don't think the state was going by phenotype what were they going by to determine race? Is there some secret genetic profiling I'm not aware of? Please point me to it, I'm very interested! I'm getting the sinking feeling my views on race were wrong and that the Nazis were right! But I must be rigorous and run all this to ground.

Jason Barnes
Jason Barnes

You said if Obama, had children with a white woman they'd be black. But mathematically they'd 75% white. Where does the shift happen? 80%? 90%?
its not concrete

What happens when someone is say equal amounts of 4 different races?
then they'd be mixed 4 ways rather than 2

John Baker
John Baker

race is understood as an unreal category, that's why it has transformed into an idealist category - for example, in the ethnostate, /pol/ don't accept leftists or "degenerates", which shows that this is not a racial issue, it is an issue of ideological homogeneity - so what the "based black man" represents is the ecstasy of the revelation of this lie the conservative or other tells himself, yet cannot fully comprehend.

So, in today's racial terms, a black man can be white, whereas a leftist is a "kike" or whatever - sounds like a postmodern nightmare.

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Jaxson Lee
Jaxson Lee

Then how can you draw conclusions about race if you aren't going by phenotypes?
Why would you need to go by phenotype to draw a conclusion about race?

How can you know every "black" person who raped a white woman was in fact "black" by your definition
This is a legal question you should ask a lawyer

If you don't think the state was going by phenotype what were they going by to determine race?
they don't
census.gov/mso/www/training/pdf/race-ethnicity-onepager.pdf
you fail

? Is there some secret genetic profiling I'm not aware of? Please point me to it, I'm very interested! I'm getting the sinking feeling my views on race were wrong and that the Nazis were right! But I must be rigorous and run all this to ground.
if you want to know how the US government defines race you can read the link

Angel Allen
Angel Allen

I never said this.
You said
people just refer to them by what country or how they identify themselves.
Indians are just indians
abos are just abos etc.
So basically Indians are Indians because they call themselves Indians. So their race isn't genetically determined. To be fair I should have made it more clear.
You're failing hard at this debate.
I admit I am, I'm trying to follow your logic between haplogroups, phenotypes (appearance), and social dynamics like black people cause crime because of their crime bone.
Okay, let's start over. Let's say I want to prove I'm white. What do I need to do? Show I'm in the European Haplogroup? Is that it?
If so then what if I don't appear "white". Am I still white?
And do you just completely deny that being "white" has nothing to do with phenotypes?

Jeremiah Moore
Jeremiah Moore

its not concrete
I understand that, but don't you have any guidelines? It is like a judge and it's completely up to discretion? If so who's discretion? A white person's? Who was their whiteness determined, or by whom.
WHO IS WHITE PRIME

Kevin Martin
Kevin Martin

So basically Indians are Indians because they call themselves Indians. So their race isn't genetically determined. To be fair I should have made it more clear.
Indians are Indians because they or their family comes from India and the resemble people in India. So it would make sense to call themselves indian

I admit I am, I'm trying to follow your logic between haplogroups, phenotypes (appearance), and social dynamics like black people cause crime because of their crime bone.
No where have I brought up haplogroups, phenotypes (and not phenotypes is not JUST appearance) social dynamics
that is you trying to argue against points I never made.

Let's say I want to prove I'm white. What do I need to do? Show I'm in the European Haplogroup? Is that it?
trace your ancestry back to Europe prior to the signing of the Treaty of Westphilia.

Lincoln Rogers
Lincoln Rogers

I understand that, but don't you have any guidelines? It is like a judge and it's completely up to discretion? If so who's discretion? A white person's? Who was their whiteness determined, or by whom.

WHO IS WHITE PRIME

European ancestry

Justin Reyes
Justin Reyes

Why would you need to go by phenotype to draw a conclusion about race?
Okay so phenotypes have nothing to do with race?
This is a legal question you should ask a lawyer
Is someone's race determined by a lawyer, I thought it was genetics, wouldn't a scientist be more appropriate?
you fail
Uses Census Bureau definition of race
Okay, but how is their definition of race linked to genetics? Are they using haplogroups?
if you want to know how the US government defines race you can read the link
I want to know how you define race, and what science you're using.

Nathan Reyes
Nathan Reyes

European ancestry
So appearance doesn't matter? Okay, you Nazis are actually more progressive than I gave you credit for!

Camden Reed
Camden Reed

Indians are Indians because they or their family comes from India and the resemble people in India. So it would make sense to call themselves indian
This contradicts Who said race is determined by ancestry not appearance.
No where have I brought up haplogroups, phenotypes (and not phenotypes is not JUST appearance) social dynamics
that is you trying to argue against points I never made.
You just said part of what makes Indians is their appearance, ergo phenotype.
trace your ancestry back to Europe prior to the signing of the Treaty of Westphilia.
Wow, okay great. How many white people can you confirm have done that?

Bentley Howard
Bentley Howard

European ancestry
So Jews are white? As well as Turks? And Italians? Europe is an arbitrary geographic area, I mean how can you be so sure that every single person in that haplogroup stayed exactly in Europe?

Dominic Sullivan
Dominic Sullivan

European ancestry
How much European ancestry?

Alexander Lopez
Alexander Lopez

Okay so phenotypes have nothing to do with race?
Again more things I never said.
You asked:
how can you draw conclusions about race if you aren't going by phenotypes
to which I replied
Why would you need to go by phenotype to draw a conclusion about race?
To which you have not answered.

Is someone's race determined by a lawyer
No but you asked a question about law
<I thought it was genetics, wouldn't a scientist be more appropriate?

Uses Census Bureau definition of race
You asked a question about how the state defines race and implied they used phenotype.
I corrected you and showed that the state does not. You are wrong.

Okay, but how is their definition of race linked to genetics? Are they using haplogroups?
Its not its just related to your comment about how the race determines race.

I want to know how you define race,
an informal taxonomic classification within a species, generally within a sub-species

and what science you're using.
biology

Elijah Thompson
Elijah Thompson

So appearance doesn't matter?
I never said this

Luis Cox
Luis Cox

This contradicts (You)
Indian ancestry makes you indian
European ancestry makes you european
these do not contradict each other

Who said race is determined by ancestry not appearance
not me

Ryan Long
Ryan Long

Why would you need to go by phenotype to draw a conclusion about race?
I'm starting to be a bit lost with this conversation.
If race is supposed to describe a biological phenomenon rather than a cultural one, wouldn't a racial phenotype be fucking important to the relevance of the concept?

Christian Thomas
Christian Thomas

I'm starting to be a bit lost with this conversation.

If race is supposed to describe a biological phenomenon rather than a cultural one, wouldn't a racial phenotype be fucking important to the relevance of the concept?

Do you not understand the difference between a question and a statement?
you asked
how can you draw conclusions about race if you aren't going by phenotypes
to which I asked
Why would you need to go by phenotype to draw a conclusion about race
You have been unable to answer and I have not made a statement because of your failure to do so.

"Why would you need to go by phenotype to draw a conclusion about race"

is not a statement stop acting like it is.
Or are you just incapable of understand debate?

Alexander Roberts
Alexander Roberts

Again more things I never said.
You you tell me how appearance is related to race. And how that appearance can be measured genetically.
Haplogroups are mathematical abstractions, none of the genes that people in haplogroups share express themselves in any obvious way. If you want to say Haplogroups correlate to race fine. But if you say black people commit more crimes because of genetics then please point out
black genes
crime genes
Why would you need to go by phenotype to draw a conclusion about race?
To which you have not answered.
I did, you ignored it. All the studies that show black people are stupider or more violent are based on appearance. I asked if these black or white people were having their gnome sequenced and genetically having their haplogroup determined, and I'm simply not aware of it. To which you did not answer.
No but you asked a question about law
No I asked a question about the race of a criminal.
You asked a question about how the state defines race and implied they used phenotype.
Lol okay, they rely on the person they're asking to self identify. The self determination being based on appearance. Still not employing genetics.
Its not its just related to your comment about how the race determines race.
Do haplogroups = race or not?
an informal taxonomic classification within a species, generally within a sub-species
Informal….. so not based on genetics. Just abstractions based on appearance. If it's not appearance then what is it? Black and white people can make fertile children, that means they aren't different species like donkeys and horses are.
biology
Statically abstractions and "informal" classifications based on feels are scientific or based in genetics though. So does your definition of race not use genetics at all?

Colton Jenkins
Colton Jenkins

You have been unable to answer and I have not made a statement because of your failure to do so.
I just answered it here.
I am assuming that the state and yourself is using appearance to determine race. Then you jump around between haplogroups, informal taxonomic classification which I thought was "traits I can see with my eyeballs", but maybe I'm wrong.
Simply trying to get my arms around your definition of race. I really thought this would be straight forward since the human genome has been mapped.
You know, here's all the genes that make a white person, and here's all the ones that make a black person. The end. But apparently it's way more complicated.

Nathan Long
Nathan Long

I want to know how you define race,
an informal taxonomic classification within a species, generally within a sub-species
So here's the defintion of taxonomy
<In biology, taxonomy (from Ancient Greek τάξις (taxis), meaning 'arrangement', and -νομία (-nomia), meaning 'method') is the science of naming, defining (circumscribing) and classifying groups of biological organisms on the basis of shared characteristics. Organisms are grouped together into taxa (singular: taxon) and these groups are given a taxonomic rank; groups of a given rank can be aggregated to form a super-group of higher rank, thus creating a taxonomic hierarchy. The principal ranks in modern use are domain, kingdom, phylum (division is sometimes used in botany in place of phylum), class, order, family, genus, and species. The Swedish botanist Carl Linnaeus is regarded as the founder of the current system of taxonomy, as he developed a system known as Linnaean taxonomy for categorizing organisms and binomial nomenclature for naming organisms.
<With the advent of such fields of study as phylogenetics, cladistics, and systematics, the Linnaean system has progressed to a system of modern biological classification based on the evolutionary relationships between organisms, both living and extinct.
Okay give me a list of the taxonomy traits each race shares. We got the haplogroup, that's one, anything else?

James Lee
James Lee

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Easton Hernandez
Easton Hernandez

"Why would you need to go by phenotype to draw a conclusion about race"
Because i fail to see the purpose of a biological definition of race if you can't link biological consequences to it.

Julian Jenkins
Julian Jenkins

You you tell me how appearance is related to race.
shared commonalities can help indicate a person's race

And how that appearance can be measured genetically
bone structure, skull shape skin tone etc

Haplogroups are mathematical abstractions, none of the genes that people in haplogroups share express themselves in any obvious way.
I never brought up halogroups
You're arguing against a subject I never even spoke about.

If you want to say Haplogroups correlate to race fine.
You're the only one here talking about halogroups

But if you say black people commit more crimes because of genetics then please point out black genes
again more things I never said. You're trying to arguing points I've never made.

Why would you need to go by phenotype to draw a conclusion about race?
To which you have not answered.
I did, you ignored it.
then please point it out I must have missed it.

All the studies that show black people are stupider or more violent are based on appearance. I asked if these black or white people were having their gnome sequenced and genetically having their haplogroup determined, and I'm simply not aware of it. To which you did not answer.
can you clarify this question

No I asked a question about the race of a criminal.
which is determined by law enforcement. I am not law enforcement I cannot give you their answer.

Lol okay, they rely on the person they're asking to self identify. The self determination being based on appearance. Still not employing genetics.
yes so you're wrong.

Do haplogroups = race or not?
when did I ever say they did?
Informal….. so not based on genetics
Just abstractions based on appearance
If it's not appearance then what is it?
Informal does not mean "not based on genetics"
informal does not mean abstractions based on appearance

Aaron Bailey
Aaron Bailey

Statically abstractions and "informal" classifications based on feels are scientific or based in genetics though. So does your definition of race not use genetics at all?
take your complaints up with modern biology

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Andrew Johnson
Andrew Johnson

I am assuming that the state and yourself is using appearance to determine race.
But this is not what you said. You said here If you don't think the state was going by phenotype what were they going by to determine race
to which I replied with proof that the state does not.

Then you jump around between haplogroups
I am not the only talking about haplogroups
informal taxonomic classification which I thought was "traits I can see with my eyeballs", but maybe I'm wrong.
Modern biology

Simply trying to get my arms around your definition of race. I really thought this would be straight forward since the human genome has been mapped.
I already stated it quite clearly it is the same definition used in biology.

You know, here's all the genes that make a white person, and here's all the ones that make a black person. The end. But apparently it's way more complicated.
That isn't how biology defines race

Wyatt Phillips
Wyatt Phillips

Because i fail to see the purpose of a biological definition of race if you can't link biological consequences to it.
when have I ever said biological consequences are not linked to race?

Ryan Cox
Ryan Cox

it is the same definition used in biology.

From the Wikipedia article, in the lines just below where you conveniently cropped
Various definitions exist

Which one is relevant?

Angel Morales
Angel Morales

see

Gavin Sanders
Gavin Sanders

shared commonalities can help indicate a person's race
Which ones, as much as you Nazis crow about this you'd think you'd have the list in your back pocket.
bone structure, skull shape skin tone etc
Okay, so list the alleles that make those, and which alleles make a white person.
again more things I never said. You're trying to arguing points I've never made.
So what is the genetic significance of race then. Are there different races among say horses? Why do this only apply to humans?
quit reddit spacing you triggered cuck
then please point it out I must have missed it.
I did several times, if you insist on ignoring the point so be it. Here it is again, are the societal conclusions about race, like black people commuting more crime, the same race you are arguing is scientifically provable. If so then how did say, police determine the race of a criminal if not by their appearance? You've stated numerous times appearance isn't related to race.
can you clarify this question
see above
which is determined by law enforcement. I am not law enforcement I cannot give you their answer.
So you don't have any stock in the racial conclusions of society like, black people commit more crimes, Muslims rape more etc.
yes so you're wrong.
How did the citizens that took the census determine their "race" then? Please illuminate me.
Informal does not mean "not based on genetics"
Okay give me the "informal" list of traits that make a race. You've excluded haplogroups and appearance, so I don't even know what's left.
informal does not mean abstractions based on appearance
I get that but you've rejected haplogroups as a determinate of race as well.
Okay so race isn't genetic then, since modern biology doesn't determine race by genetics either, simply "traits" to include genetic frequency.
List these "traits" that make black people please.

Andrew Peterson
Andrew Peterson

There's not enough genetic variation by modern biology definitions of race between humans to have "races". Just because a person's appearance is particularly striking to human tastes doesn't make it a distinct race.
Either way show what thresholds you use to determine "race" simply different shaped skulls isn't enough, those are simply phenotypes.
Try again Nazi.
<Figure 1: ‘Race’ cannot be biologically defined due to genetic variation among human individuals and populations. (A) The old concept of the “five races:” African, Asian, European, Native American, and Oceanian. According to this view, variation between the races is large, and thus, the each race is a separate category. Additionally, individual races are thought to have a relatively uniform genetic identity. (B) Actual genetic variation in humans. Human populations do roughly cluster into geographical regions. However, variation between different regions is small, thus blurring the lines between populations. Furthermore, variation within a single region is large, and there is no uniform identity.
sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/science-genetics-reshaping-race-debate-21st-century/

Julian Hall
Julian Hall

Let's recapitulate

no one considers phenotypes when talking about blacks

To which SageAnon answered with:
Then how can you draw conclusions about race if you aren't going by phenotypes?

Then you answered with:
Why would you need to go by phenotype to draw a conclusion about race?

From the context, it appeared that you thought that phenotype was somehow irrelevant to race.

Indeed i can't imagine you're weaseling your way out of
Then how can you draw conclusions about race if you aren't going by phenotypes?
With another question

But:
when have I ever said biological consequences are not linked to race?
Shows that i misinterpreted your position about race. Now that this matter is cleared:

How can you draw conclusions about race if you aren't going by phenotypes?

You know user, some less good willed people might suspect you of bad faith. So which one is relevant?

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Alexander Anderson
Alexander Anderson

Which ones, as much as you Nazis crow about this you'd think you'd have the list in your back pocket.
<everyone I disagree with is a nazi
liberal please

Okay, so list the alleles that make those, and which alleles make a white person.
nah

So what is the genetic significance of race then. Are there different races among say horses? Why do this only apply to humans?
This is a different topic all together.

quit reddit spacing you triggered cuck
ha triggers

I did several times, if you insist on ignoring the point so be it.
lol butthurt

Here it is again, are the societal conclusions about race, like black people commuting more crime,
I never said this
the same race you are arguing is scientifically provable.
when did I say this one

If so then how did say, police determine the race of a criminal if not by their appearance?
I already said, this is a law enforcement question, I am not law enforcement I cannot answer this

You've stated numerous times appearance isn't related to race.
I never said that "appearance isn't related to race."

can you clarify this question
see above
ok then I'm ignoring it.

So you don't have any stock in the racial conclusions of society like, black people commit more crimes, Muslims rape more etc.
What about this? Again you keep trying to go off on separate discussions

Okay give me the "informal" list of traits that make a race
lol no

You've excluded haplogroups and appearance, so I don't even know what's left.
When have I said I am excluding halpogroups and appearance?

I get that but you've rejected haplogroups as a determinate of race as well.
I have never said this.

Okay so race isn't genetic then,
I never said this.

since modern biology doesn't determine race by genetics either
This is false.

simply "traits" to include genetic frequency.
List these "traits" that make black people please.
No :^)

Caleb Diaz
Caleb Diaz

There's not enough genetic variation by modern biology definitions of race between humans to have "races". Just because a person's appearance is particularly striking to human tastes doesn't make it a distinct race.
Which is why its only a colloquial term

Either way show what thresholds you use to determine "race" simply different shaped skulls isn't enough, those are simply phenotypes.
why?

Angel Nelson
Angel Nelson

From the context, it appeared that you thought that phenotype was somehow irrelevant to race.
No, I asked Why would you need to go by phenotype to draw a conclusion about race?
in response to

Then how can you draw conclusions about race if you aren't going by phenotypes?

to which it took him forever to respond.

How can you draw conclusions about race if you aren't going by phenotypes?
I never said I wasn't going by phenotype.
I did say however that I wasn't going by phenotype alone.

Hunter Hall
Hunter Hall

Why should an informal biological category have the social, political and economic consequences you insist on? What is unscientific is applying what is already an informal scientific category to such other realms as if it has explanatory or normative power

Jose Gray
Jose Gray

Why should an informal biological category have the social, political and economic consequences you insist on?
what social political economic consequences am i insisting on?

Brayden Barnes
Brayden Barnes

What is unscientific is applying what is already an informal scientific category to such other realms as if it has explanatory or normative power
when have I advocated for this?

Charles Bell
Charles Bell

Either way show what thresholds you use to determine "race" simply different shaped skulls isn't enough, those are simply phenotypes.
why?
Because there's not enough genetic variation. Genetically people with different shaped skulls are negligibly different. You going to argue that dogs with different spots are different races next?

Logan Reed
Logan Reed

no one considers phenotypes when talking about blacks
t.you in

Not staying consistant from one post to another makes it hard for people to argue with you, not to mention it is very rude, ruder than insults.

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Dylan Richardson
Dylan Richardson

arguing on Zig Forums in favor of race realism statistically makes you a nazi.

Alexander Kelly
Alexander Kelly

Okay, so list the alleles that make those, and which alleles make a white person.
nah
Why not? Are they listed somewhere that I could find them?
the same race you are arguing is scientifically provable.
when did I say this one
So now you're saying your racial "informal taxidermy" is not empirical?
I never said that "appearance isn't related to race."
So is or isn't it. If so how?
When have I said I am excluding halpogroups and appearance?
So are you saying halpogroups are correlated to appearance?
Okay so race isn't genetic then,
I never said this.
What genetic taxidermy constitutes a white person then?
since modern biology doesn't determine race by genetics either
This is false.
The very wikipedia article you linked said it's determined by "traits" which can include "genetic frequency". That's not the same as stating x allele makes a white person.

Jackson Morgan
Jackson Morgan

No it's not stupid sage nigger.

Adam Jackson
Adam Jackson

You're arguing the existence of race on a political board. If race has no political implications then fuck off to the numerous science boards on 8ch. where you'll get BTFO'd too

Hunter Rodriguez
Hunter Rodriguez

C R A N I A L
V O L U M E S

Gabriel Phillips
Gabriel Phillips

whales have the biggest brains
so they are the smartest creature in the universe :DDD

Tyler Clark
Tyler Clark

being this delusional
Meanwhile in the the real world, the newest genomic analyses are suggesting that African Negroids get as much as 20% of their ancestry from highly archaic central African proto-humans. In addition to scoring abysmally on all intelligence tests which have been conceived and failing to uphold any modicum of order and civilization in any environment into which they are placed, African Negroids now have the distinction of objectively being the most archaic of living hominids.

Our analyses of site frequency spectra indicate that these populations derive 2-19% of their genetic ancestry from an archaic population that diverged prior to the split of Neanderthals and modern humans.
gnxp.com/WordPress/2019/03/03/very-ancient-ghosts-in-the-african-genome/

Highly intelligent north Eurasian agriculturist populations benefit nothing from continuing to subsidize the population growth of Sub-Saharan evolutionary failures. North Eurasian integration with Africans is a malevolent scheme conceived by our plutocratic elites in order to degrade the mental faculties and resistance potential of their indigenous working classes.

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Michael Martin
Michael Martin

<what is encephelization quotient
fuck off micro brain. but even in terms of raw cranial volume intelligence still increases. control for overall body mass and the differences in cranial volume become even more important

Henry Walker
Henry Walker

muh Autism Level tests
Asians and Indians score better on those tests then whites though. Doesn't that prove that their genetically more advanced than whites?

Brody Lewis
Brody Lewis

"Thank you, come again"

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Isaiah Ramirez
Isaiah Ramirez

Based and Eurasian-Nazbol-pilled

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Nicholas Morris
Nicholas Morris

There are populations which are more intelligent than Europeans
Therefore Europeans should integrate with abysmally stupid and violent proto-humans

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Easton Perez
Easton Perez

We observe that the CEU CSFS, like the CSFS in the African populations, is U-shaped with an increase in the counts of high frequency alleles. (Figures S4 and S6). Further, we also observe a U-shape in the CSFS computed in the Han Chinese (CHB) population (Figure S6). These results suggest that a component of the archaic ancestry that we detect in African populations is shared with non-African populations.
So the same thing which makes niggers dumb is making Chineses smart somehow…

Or maybe you shouldn't fall into sensationalists headlines and dig deeper trough the publications you're using.

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Owen Thomas
Owen Thomas

I hope Xi won't let the future socialist empire be contaminated by unintelligent snowniggers tbh

John Gonzalez
John Gonzalez


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Owen Jenkins
Owen Jenkins

meanwhile, chinese are mixing with siberian-russians and western men go to china to BLEACH chinese
The future is eurasian, old man, just like it was so long ago.

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Jaxon Rogers
Jaxon Rogers

wrong first pic

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Juan Jackson
Juan Jackson

The chinese will absorb all of mankind into them in the next century tbh…

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Ryder Hill
Ryder Hill

Extremely based picture.

Jonathan Morgan
Jonathan Morgan

Deleting a Wojak edit of an Asian eating some Arab with his ass while dabbing rather than letting the Internet witness the level of argumentation /pol/acks are able to carry.

Kinda dissapointing tbh. But NSFW i guess…

Austin Morgan
Austin Morgan

boons to society

Brayden Gray
Brayden Gray

no one is trying to say they are.
So what is their use?
That is why the distinction is often made between north Africans and Saharan Africans
Yes, so why is black a good categorization?
This is just semantics
In what way? It is relevant to the discussion of how race is defined.
depends on the group you're talking about. you can learn more about European ethnicity here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Europe
<Using Wikipedia
<Conflating Ethnicity with race
<Posting this as if I haven't already read up on European genetic groupings
Stop and read a book
Please refer to my previous comment about people who descend from Europe
But many populations share similar genetic distributions. Your claim of "decent from Europe" is far too fluid of a definition because the definition of what is Europe itself has expanded and contracted over the millennia. Under such a definition, I could go back even further and point out the migration of the early Eurasians as a point to define these groups as Asiatic.
But we already do use these terms
You're not really giving a concrete reason to maintain them.
Immigration policy is a big one.
Is there a difference between 100,000 "white" Latin American refugees flooding into a country then a 100,000 "black" ones? It would seem the situation would carry the same issues. Immigration policy is generally based on geographical location currently if anything, and limited as such.
this changes over time
Agreed
colloquially people use general genetic markers to refer to someone's race
No, generally not. As of yet, we don't open up a person's genetic portfolio when talking to them.
wrong. saying a person is part this or part that is common they just don't use such technical language.
So it's pointless and at best the equivalent of a pseudo-scientific statement.
yes these are easily identifiable to the lay person
No, generally not. Again, for this reason people group by the broad phenotypical catagories mentioned before. Your lay person isn't going to differentiate specifically between two distinct groups of "whites" on appearance alone.
Correct. However just because there is not a hard line between the races does not mean they do not exist at all.
You seem to keep missing what I've said in the posts earlier. We have the technology to draw the lines even finer than ever before, and tailor to an individuals specific genetic structure. "Race", as in white, black, etc., is useless to us. If you mean "race" as in specific groupings that are not these however, then we may have a discussion.
The end of Russia is in asia learn geography
Ok, so even similar genetic groups to before mentioned Europeans in eastern Russia are now not white? Are we arguing genetics or geography?
The better ones are more technical and not used by the average person.
So this colloquial definition of race has no concrete bearing.
I'm going to address this once I get back, but the development of African populations in Africa has been significantly stunted due to both:
A) Geography and a lack of vast amounts of fertile agricultural land to develop a base upon
B) The destabilization and elimination of countries and movements which were make developments in improving both the conditions and education of their regions
For example, both Sankara and Gaddafi made huge strides improving the material conditions as well as the security and education of their respective countries, leading to a populace that was intellectually developing rapidly as the conditions that allowed for the existence of Autism Level traps were eliminated. The toppling and the murder of both allowed for a regress into conditions which could not objectively cultivate or foster a higher Autism Level population.

Leo Flores
Leo Flores

The point is "race" as its colloquially defined is very poor and almost entirely based on phenotype. Phenotype is partially influenced by your genotype, but neither can be said to be a good concrete basis for grouping populations. The things that could be utilized to group populations (Y-dna, mtDNA, and autosomal) are complex enough that they cannot be simplified into "white, black, etc", making such classifications archaic at best and useless constructions at worst. "Race" as its utilized socially within modern society has very little to no basis. A clinical setting does not use such classifications, especially given the advent of new genetic sequencing and testing methods as well as the technologies that allow such.

Liam Green
Liam Green

The anti-race stuff just comes across as insecurity, as does the anti-gender, anti-personality type, anti-ethnicity, anti-Eye-Queue, and general anti-genetics stances. If you didn't believe that a stratifying process would place you below others, why would you oppose it? What is this drive to distance yourself from potential quantitative advantages? Don't you want to feel superior to others? Are you a fag?

Owen Wood
Owen Wood

What is this drive to distance yourself from potential quantitative advantages? Don't you want to feel superior to others?
What? What does this have anything to do with the discussion? How does somethings relation to you determine whether its true or not?

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Jonathan Robinson
Jonathan Robinson

Why does Zig Forums allow race threads if you are just going to permaban anyone with a dissenting opinion?

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Levi Lee
Levi Lee

So what is their use?
people use the terms

Yes, so why is black a good categorization?
when did I say it was good?

In what way? It is relevant to the discussion of how race is defined.
race refers to groups of people who have differences and similarities in biological traits deemed by society to be socially significant

But many populations share similar genetic distributions. Your claim of "decent from Europe" is far too fluid of a definition because the definition of what is Europe itself has expanded and contracted over the millennia. Under such a definition, I could go back even further and point out the migration of the early Eurasians as a point to define these groups as Asiatic.
I've said this before just because there isn't a hardline between them does not mean the distinctions do not exist

You're not really giving a concrete reason to maintain them.
I'm not arguing for that.

Is there a difference between 100,000 "white" Latin American refugees flooding into a country then a 100,000 "black" ones? It would seem the situation would carry the same issues. Immigration policy is generally based on geographical location currently if anything, and limited as such.
I said race could be used in immigration not that it is.

No, generally not. As of yet, we don't open up a person's genetic portfolio when talking to them.
I didn't say we did.
some genetic markers are easily identifiable

So it's pointless and at best the equivalent of a pseudo-scientific statement.
Anything can be argued to be pointless.

No, generally not. Again, for this reason people group by the broad phenotypical catagories mentioned before. Your lay person isn't going to differentiate specifically between two distinct groups of "whites" on appearance alone.
yes, skin color, hair eye color built type are all easily identifiable

You seem to keep missing what I've said in the posts earlier. We have the technology to draw the lines even finer than ever before, and tailor to an individuals specific genetic structure. "Race", as in white, black, etc., is useless to us. If you mean "race" as in specific groupings that are not these however, then we may have a discussion.
I'm not denying we do not have the technology. However the average person does not talk in these technical terms

Ok, so even similar genetic groups to before mentioned Europeans in eastern Russia are now not white? Are we arguing genetics or geography?
Well what is the actual question?
I'm not arguing for solely any one thing.

So this colloquial definition of race has no concrete bearing.
yes that is what I've been saying this whole time

Dominic Russell
Dominic Russell

It's called a "honeypot". Retards like you fall for it every time.

implying you're superior to fucking anything
we must dissent

Josiah Moore
Josiah Moore

Excellent post

Thomas Morales
Thomas Morales

people use the terms
Not really a good justification
when did I say it was good?
If it's not a good categorization, why continue it's usage or treat it as legitimate?
race refers to groups of people who have differences and similarities in biological traits deemed by society to be socially significant
And? This isn't an argument for it as so much it's a statement that such a fluid and non-concrete definition is valid simply due to common usage.
I've said this before just because there isn't a hardline between them does not mean the distinctions do not exist
And again, I am not saying distinctions do not exist. You keep saying this as if it is what I am arguing, when in fact I am stating the opposite, that the groupings do not acknowledge enough distinctions and takes disparate genetic groups and pushes them together to legitimize what is a set of antiquated categorizations.
I'm not arguing for that.
Sorry, then please clarify what you are arguing for.
I didn't say we did. some genetic markers are easily identifiable
Somewhat, but again these distinctions are poor.
I said race could be used in immigration not that it is.
Ok?
Anything can be argued to be pointless.
Please refrain from sophistry
yes, skin color, hair eye color built type are all easily identifiable
Of course these qualities are easily identifiable, but they fail to give specific data on concrete groups. At best they can only provide flawed approximations which have no clinical bearing, and at worst lead to inappropriate groupings. Again, very rarely will you find in public society a person distinguishing between two people viewed as white as anything but white by view alone.
I'm not denying we do not have the technology. However the average person does not talk in these technical term
And?
Well what is the actual question? I'm not arguing for solely any one thing.
Is this about geography or genetics? You say one thing, which seems to indicate genetics (which is what I am talking about) but then you change over to geography. Clarify.
yes that is what I've been saying this whole time
So what I said initially said about "race", as its colloquially understood and defined, is true? That it is entirely a made up historical construction devoid of the actual concrete genetic information and classifications we now have available to us.

Juan Watson
Juan Watson

If you didn't believe that a stratifying process would place you below others, why would you oppose it?
Don't you want to feel superior to others?

Leaving aside the validity of thoses stratification process, which should be a super important topic when it comes toeverythnig science related.
I'd rather shine by my own choices and accomplishments than believe delusions than i'm somehow a super snowflake by the virtue of being born.
Even more so if thoses stratification processes are used by dumb chauvinists who share a few genes with me to take credit for shit i did.

Liam Jackson
Liam Jackson

Reality is everyone in earth has a bit of everyone else in them and in rather recent spans of time. Humans fuck too much and are too exogamous to ever have homogenous, pure blood races.

Than you have how Autism Level scores in different populations can change in the span of decades, throwing the idea of that racial Autism Level thing being fixed into the garbage as no survey shows this. Fixed Autism Level for race implies that shouldn't be happening yet developing are countries catching up in their Autism Level scores to developed countries.

Your outdated science isn't wisdom, it is built on ideas that were made before further findings in genetics revealed this and before we got the trends of decades worth of Autism Level scores to work from. All showing Autism Level scores not to be fixed at all for populations, making arguments for eugenics and cutting education counter productive to the betterment of our species.

Aaron Hernandez
Aaron Hernandez

Okay I love this board's censor system.

I'm absolutely love with it.

Joshua Taylor
Joshua Taylor

*in love

Daniel Fisher
Daniel Fisher

Retarded question given the "race" of most of the scientists who oppose it
But well done for pointing out the real reason people are hereditarian

Isaiah Williams
Isaiah Williams

So you are some sort of faggot who has to hide behind his race to feel superior?
Some sort of unholy American mystery meat 3/4 burger grease 1/64 German and god knows what else.
You do realize that in your masturbation fantasies your kind would also be the ones genocided, or will you be a good little cocksucker and left to serve.

Ian Williams
Ian Williams

Not really a good justification
the conversation was never about justifying its usage

If it's not a good categorization, why continue it's usage or treat it as legitimate?
I never said it was a good categorization.

And? This isn't an argument for it as so much it's a statement that such a fluid and non-concrete definition is valid simply due to common usage.
You asked how it is relevant to how race is defined, I wasn't making an argument for it.

And again, I am not saying distinctions do not exist. You keep saying this as if it is what I am arguing, when in fact I am stating the opposite, that the groupings do not acknowledge enough distinctions and takes disparate genetic groups and pushes them together to legitimize what is a set of antiquated categorizations.
Sorry, then please clarify what you are arguing for.
Ok well I started out replying to someone who said race does not exist.

Somewhat, but again these distinctions are poor.
Whether they're poor or not isn't what is being argued here.

Please refrain from sophistry
saying X thing is pointless is not an arguement

Of course these qualities are easily identifiable, but they fail to give specific data on concrete groups. At best they can only provide flawed approximations which have no clinical bearing, and at worst lead to inappropriate groupings. Again, very rarely will you find in public society a person distinguishing between two people viewed as white as anything but white by view alone.
This doesn't counter anything I said.

So what I said initially said about "race", as its colloquially understood and defined, is true?
That is what I was saying this whole time

That it is entirely a made up historical construction devoid of the actual concrete genetic information and classifications we now have available to us.
colloquially does not = historical construction

Michael Reyes
Michael Reyes

A) Geography and a lack of vast amounts of fertile agricultural land to develop a base upon
Africa is no less fertile than any other continent, you are just pulling this out of your ass. The grasslands of Southern and Eastern Africa are ideal of grazing and wheat agriculture. The tropical jungles are ideal for rice cultivation. Europeans and Chinese have no problems generating agricultural surpluses across Africa.
B) The destabilization and elimination of countries and movements which were make developments in improving both the conditions and education of their regions
For example, both Sankara and Gaddafi made huge strides improving the material conditions as well as the security and education of their respective countries, leading to a populace that was intellectually developing rapidly as the conditions that allowed for the existence of Autism Level traps were eliminated. The toppling and the murder of both allowed for a regress into conditions which could not objectively cultivate or foster a higher Autism Level population.
We are entering a fruitless circular argument wherein stupid people create bad institutions and bad institutions create stupid people. The fact is that Africans are retarded everywhere, regardless of government or institutions. 60 years of progressive egalitarian educational policy by the American regime has not improved the educational performance of American negroes by one iota, the fanatically egalitarian regime is Sweden has not fostered their negro underclass into a generation of African geniuses, there is absolutely no evidence that any institution has ever been created which has improved the intelligence of Africans.

You are clearly unfamiliar with the proscribed fields of sociobiology, evolutionary psychology and human biodiversity, so I will summarize the topic thusly; the most salient explanation for all observed intractable human inequality are evolved differences in cognitive function between long-separated human populations due to wildly divergent social and ecological environments. Sub-Arctic agriculturalists must plan so that they can survive a brutal winter on the surpluses of an extremely short growing season in poor soils, creating an evolutionary selective pressure for intelligence, planning ability and deference of gratification. Africans are scrambling to get to Sweden not because it is some sort of resource-rich paradise, (Sweden is an apocalyptic tundra hellscape on the edge of the world, totally unlivable for half of the year), but because the brutal evolutionary conditions in Sweden have produced a race of naive ultra-productive elves willing to feed and house the low-functioning populations of the world as they would zoo animals. Your materialistic argument which totally ignores evolutionary effects is moronic, it is precisely the places with the worst material conditions, such as Iceland or Finland, which have bred the most economically functional populations, it is the material abundance of Africa, where food can be obtained year-round, which has not created selection pressures for complex organizational or planning ability.

Christian Robinson
Christian Robinson

A) Geography and a lack of vast amounts of fertile agricultural land to develop a base upon
Poor environment breeds high lQ
Life was easy in Africa so they never needed high intelligence like Europeans did.

B) The destabilization and elimination of countries and movements which were make developments in improving both the conditions and education of their regions
Why did they never amount to anything even before European contact?

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Michael Scott
Michael Scott

the proscribed fields of sociobiology, evolutionary psychology and human biodiversity
the sacred scrolls

Kayden Russell
Kayden Russell

Why did modern Europeans live backwards lives in mud huts while worshipping swamp gods until well into the Middle Ages while several major Latin American empires had already come and gone.
Does this mean Meds and Latinos are much smarter than white people.
The fact is that Africans are retarded everywhere, regardless of government or institutions.
If Autism Level tests measure intelligence, why is it that I can raise my Autism Level by studying?
The fact is that Africans are retarded everywhere, regardless of government or institutions.
What objective measures do you use to define “Africans”.
there is absolutely no evidence that any institution has ever been created which has improved the intelligence of Africans.
What about all the black people that are doctors lawyers, engineers etc.
so I will summarize the topic thusly; the most salient explanation for all observed intractable human inequality are evolved differences in cognitive function between long-separated human populations due to wildly divergent social and ecological environments.
This ignores several hundred years of Imperialism.
Also white people have started all the wars in the last several hundred years. Doesn’t that prove their stupider than black people since wars are huge wastes of resources, there were white poor white people during each war that were denied the resources that went into the war, so it was a gross misallocation, and the wars got scores of white people raped and killed so it was self destructive? You focus on Autism Level scores but self destructive behavior is a much bigger indicator of low intelligence.
I-I-I-I never said race was scientific, I just insisted race is a concept on some level in a thread about the scientific justification for racism.
Lol dup BTFO.

Robert Mitchell
Robert Mitchell

Africa is no less fertile than any other continent, you are just pulling this out of your ass. The grasslands of Southern and Eastern Africa are ideal of grazing and wheat agriculture. The tropical jungles are ideal for rice cultivation. Europeans and Chinese have no problems generating agricultural surpluses across Africa.
Grasslands and jungles which are divided in between deserts and arid land coupled with a lack of draft animals or river based trade routes to facilitate technological exchange. This is counter to say countries like Egypt who, while occupying mostly a desert, found large success generating a surplus by utilizing the Nile for both agriculture, the movement of materials and trade.
We are entering a fruitless circular argument wherein stupid people create bad institutions and bad institutions create stupid people. The fact is that Africans are retarded everywhere, regardless of government or institutions. 60 years of progressive egalitarian educational policy by the American regime has not improved the educational performance of American negroes by one iota, the fanatically egalitarian regime is Sweden has not fostered their negro underclass into a generation of African geniuses, there is absolutely no evidence that any institution has ever been created which has improved the intelligence of Africans.
What? The Intelligence Quotients of African descended people in those countries has objectively increased over time, that's simply a fact. I fail to see how the America has practiced anything even closely related to a "progressive egalitarian educational policy" when the poorest regardless of race still cycle through l.Q. traps which actively stunt growth. Sweden is not a good example either given that it exists as a SocDem state that fosters dependency rather then development, but regardless generational intelligence quotients have been shown to improve.

The rest of your post is garbage pseudo-science that like most pseudo-science has an iota of truth and a whole lot of unverifiable claims. The implication as well that African populations are "scrambling into Sweden" simply due to some "hand-to-mouth" feeding frenzy also completely ignores the conditions which allow for mass immigration to occur in the first place, and that until relatively recently ( that is after the colonial period and after imperialist ventures into those countries or those near them) did such large movements of people occur. People generally do not up and move out of their respective homelands they have lived in their entire live in mass numbers unless some form of destabilization, instability, or deterioration has occurred. If what you implied before was true, that Africans never developed because they never had to deal with material insecurity, then there would be little to no reason for them to currently immigrate at all. They could simply engage in primitive material abundance and never even conceptualize the idea to leave en mass.

Life was easy in Africa so they never needed high intelligence like Europeans did.
Refer to the post-above, this is a completely ahistorical claim. If anything the lack of a largely similar geography, save for a few areas, fostered tribal divide and these breaks meant trade did not occur over long distances. The fact that a whole third of Africa does not have access to rivers plays a part as well, with the ones that do being subject to constant conflict. Those few empires that did come into existence did so by seizing control of these critical areas and eliminating/integrating surrounding tribes, but these developing empires collapsed around the time of colonialism. I have no idea where people get this idea that life was easy pre-colonialism, and I partially blame the primitive/tribal fetishists for this.
Why did they never amount to anything even before European contact?
Complete lack of internal trade routes to facilitate technological exchange, which was fostered greatly by geographical divisions. Long distance exchange didn't exist save for the few tribes within a set similar geographical environment. Those that did achieve long distance trade however did significantly develop and were able to found empires which did make use of the surplus gained through this trade.

Jeremiah Davis
Jeremiah Davis

Why did modern Europeans live backwards lives in mud huts while worshipping swamp gods until well into the Middle Ages while several major Latin American empires had already come and gone.
This isn't the topic

If Autism Level tests measure intelligence, why is it that I can raise my Autism Level by studying?
Do people not get more intelligent with education?

What objective measures do you use to define “Africans”.
The continent of Africa to start.

What about all the black people that are doctors lawyers, engineers etc.
what about them?

so I will summarize the topic thusly; the most salient explanation for all observed intractable human inequality are evolved differences in cognitive function between long-separated human populations due to wildly divergent social and ecological environments.
I never said this

Austin Adams
Austin Adams

I-I-I-I never said race was scientific, I just insisted race is a concept on some level in a thread about the scientific justification for racism.
I didn't do with try again

Parker Collins
Parker Collins

Refer to the post-above, this is a completely ahistorical claim. If anything the lack of a largely similar geography, save for a few areas, fostered tribal divide and these breaks meant trade did not occur over long distances. The fact that a whole third of Africa does not have access to rivers plays a part as well, with the ones that do being subject to constant conflict. Those few empires that did come into existence did so by seizing control of these critical areas and eliminating/integrating surrounding tribes, but these developing empires collapsed around the time of colonialism. I have no idea where people get this idea that life was easy pre-colonialism, and I partially blame the primitive/tribal fetishists for this.
no it was harsh climates

Grayson Torres
Grayson Torres

Complete lack of internal trade routes to facilitate technological exchange, which was fostered greatly by geographical divisions. Long distance exchange didn't exist save for the few tribes within a set similar geographical environment. Those that did achieve long distance trade however did significantly develop and were able to found empires which did make use of the surplus gained through this trade.
so they weren't smaert enough to create what the europeans and asians could
wow

Justin Foster
Justin Foster

Europeans and Asians one up'ed each other trough exchange because geography allowed it.

Africans didn't benefit from this because Africa's geography didn't allow the same the same level of exchanges.

Think of it like OC in an imageboard: One single user in a deserted board won't create much by himself, it's trough the replies - the exchanges - with other Anons that he comes up with OC.

Christopher Hall
Christopher Hall

Africans didn't benefit from this because Africa's geography didn't allow the same the same level of exchanges.
why couldn't africans one up other africans?

Africans didn't benefit from this because Africa's geography didn't allow the same the same level of exchanges.
they did not develope because of the lack of interaction with more intelligent beings?

Dominic Thomas
Dominic Thomas

You know absolutely nothing about West Africa, Ethiopia, Nubia, Zanzibar or Great Zimbabwe do you? Since if you did you wouldn't be asserting Africa is merely a bunch of tribes of stick throwers.

The Zulu used iron tools. African societies made regular use of iron tools in general. The Bantu expansion is a huge example of one African societies one upping another.

Xavier Ross
Xavier Ross

Never mind European civilization amounted to at best confederations of warlords back in 500 AD. Europeans getting the edge over everyone else occurred in the past few centuries of human existence. Europeans like every other conquering empire before them spread their innovations and fell in violence of their own doing, in that time other civilizations caught up. Europeans are a chapter in the greater human story. Not the whole book.

Kevin Nelson
Kevin Nelson

You know absolutely nothing about West Africa, Ethiopia, Nubia, Zanzibar or Great Zimbabwe do you? Since if you did you wouldn't be asserting Africa is merely a bunch of tribes of stick throwers.

If Europeans and asians can compete with each other why can't africans do the same and better themselves?

Liam Allen
Liam Allen

Never mind European civilization amounted to at best confederations of warlords back in 500 AD. Europeans getting the edge over everyone else occurred in the past few centuries of human existence. Europeans like every other conquering empire before them spread their innovations and fell in violence of their own doing, in that time other civilizations caught up. Europeans are a chapter in the greater human story. Not the whole book.
Just the most successful

Asher Rodriguez
Asher Rodriguez

In the Mongolian sense

Jayden Collins
Jayden Collins

Subsaharan Africa had incredibly low population density for most of history. Dense hot jungles aren't conductive to human life without modern technology. Europe and Asia are full of temperate lands suitable for large scale settlement and agriculture.

Levi Myers
Levi Myers

The material conditions in Africa naturally selected for traits to better help them survive. Sprinting, out running the lion, aggression etc.

Meanwhile in Europe the material conditions selected for traits to help them survive, high intelligence, long distance running etc.

As time went on Europeans and East Asians created environments that better suited themselves so it makes perfect sense why Africans don't translate well to modern society

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Oliver Perry
Oliver Perry

they did not develope because of the lack of interaction with more intelligent beings?
1 There was some developement
2 A well established trading network between 2 continent with lots of easily available ressources will mathematically produce more than a thin trading network within one continent whose ressources are not that accessible.. Both in raw capital and cultural exchange

Lucas Lopez
Lucas Lopez

Sprinting, out running the lion
My knowledge of Africa comes from memes: the post

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Alexander Clark
Alexander Clark

If Europeans and asians can compete with each other why can't africans do the same and better themselves?
Do you mean why can't they compete with Europe and China? Well by geography most can't save for Egypt and other northern African countries/empires until the advent of the slave trade in southern africa. If you mean among themselves, then the extremely high amount of tribal divisions (higher than anything Europe or Asia ever experianced) fostered by geography doesn't really cultivate competition or trade that would move technology beyond that of a strictly small scale tribal military. As I said before, those that did develop and aquire wealth were the ones who over time consolidated their surrounding tribes to a point that technological progression would occur at a relatively higher scale. Same occured for the germanic tribes, who after consolidating themselves during the last few centuries of Rome were able to sack it and establish kingdoms beyond the merely tribal based ones of before.

Henry Ross
Henry Ross

So something this significant with the east Asians and Europeans that Africans lacked resulting in very little technological progress
Could it be intelligenxe?

Jacob Ortiz
Jacob Ortiz

No argument bumping cause you saged

Eli Nguyen
Eli Nguyen

It's so weird seeing the left trying to "debunk" race realism. It's a debate about metaphysics. Either you find categories (like taxons) useful or you don't. And the left increasingly (and I mean liberals mainly) views most categories as non-existent or not meaningful.

This conceit that the acceptance of variation in global populations qualifies as pseudo science is just obnoxious.

At least have the right conversation.

Xavier Phillips
Xavier Phillips

It's weird the left jumped on the anti racism trend

Angel Ramirez
Angel Ramirez

Do you mean why can't they compete with Europe and China?
why couldn't they complete with other africans to achieve the same results as europe and china did?

Landon Lee
Landon Lee

They still wouldn't accept any other race either? Its more of they want cultural and ethnic hegemony.

Bentley Parker
Bentley Parker

lmao it's not about metaphysics, it's about science you mealy-mouthed shit

Aiden Collins
Aiden Collins

Lenin Hat
Now this is a falseflag
I explained that in the same paragraph. That's not really how it works either, trade allows for the acquisition of materials or resources not readily available geographically and it's this trade that inevitably allows for the exchange of knowledge and ideas. As trade routes expand to an even greater degree, so too does the development of technologies simply by statistics alone. It's for this reason why African countries like Egypt did develop as well as other African empires like the one located in Mali while others did not.

Anthony Roberts
Anthony Roberts

I explained that in the same paragraph. That's not really how it works either, trade allows for the acquisition of materials or resources not readily available geographically and it's this trade that inevitably allows for the exchange of knowledge and ideas. As trade routes expand to an even greater degree, so too does the development of technologies simply by statistics alone. It's for this reason why African countries like Egypt did develop as well as other African empires like the one located in Mali while others did not.

So what you're saying is the material conditions in Africa led to a lack of intelligence where it did not in europe and Asia

Blake Morales
Blake Morales

So what you're saying is the material conditions in Africa led to a lack of intelligence where it did not in europe and Asia
Depends what you mean by this.
Do you mean that, for the reasons I mentioned before, the development of civilizations within Africa was stunted and did not occur like that of other continents, which of course has an obvious effect on intellectual development? Then yes.
Or do you mean that Africans are inherently unintelligent and so were, and are, unable to develop even if they had the means to because genetically they are simply incapable of forming any kind of complex society and lack the potential to ever do so? Then no.

The difference between these two matters.

Landon Collins
Landon Collins

Turkheimer is a known hack, and nobody cares about "Intelligence" because "Intelligence" isn't a measure of anything, and at best is a flimsy philosophical notion. We care about I_Q because it correlates with things we care about (SES, crime, educational outcomes) and it has /predictive validity/.

Justin Watson
Justin Watson

But white people have killed more people in wars than black people have done via crime not to mention all the people white people have killed via crime
Does this mean that this past behavior is predictive of future behavior. Since white people have the most blood on their hands, don't they pose the greatest threat to civilization?

Logan Morris
Logan Morris

Why hasn't this thread been anchored

Lucas Scott
Lucas Scott

But white people have killed more people in wars than black people have done via crime
This is for violence in peacetime, I don't know of any rigorous way to predict massacres but having technological development is definitely a prerequisite. One could argue that the ability to organize complex societies allows such a society to perpetuate more crime.
not to mention all the people white people have killed via crime
per capita that shit
Since white people have the most blood on their hands, don't they pose the greatest threat to civilization?
Whites or Asians. Africans don't have nukes, they aren't a threat to anybody on a massive scale in terms of extinction type events.

Dominic Reyes
Dominic Reyes

And besides, this is off topic. The subject is race and I_Q

Ryder Wilson
Ryder Wilson

Like god dammit lets just consider what is real before jumping to teleology and political implications for once jesus christ.

Camden Wilson
Camden Wilson

This is for violence in peacetime, I don't know of any rigorous way to predict massacres but having technological development is definitely a prerequisite. One could argue that the ability to organize complex societies allows such a society to perpetuate more crime.
This makes it worse. If white people were smart enough to make all this complex machinery that facilitated these massacres, it means they consciously did them!
It wasn’t due to a misunderstanding, or misapplication of power. You say black people are bad because they are not in control of their actions. That they are genetically predisposed to violence. But white people are not, and they perpetuated violence on an unprecedented scale! They’re evil in a way that’s not quantifiable! You can successfully domesticate a wolf into a dog, and arguable you could do that with black people. But what can you do with a race that transcends that and is just evil inherently!

Aaron Peterson
Aaron Peterson

*sigh* ok lets have a retard talk
So are you against technological development in general, or do you believe exclusively whites have the ability to commit atrocities GIVEN the tools to do so?

To be fair, it was progressive ideas of human rights that allowed for higher complexity social organization to occur. Without organized religion and human rights developing, there would be no technological evolution, and thus no atrocities. Further technological development will lead to our demise no doubt IMO, regardless of what particular race happens to facilitate it.

Elijah Turner
Elijah Turner

Though in a certain way I do agree with you. You should read Mitchell Heisman's Suicide Note, or at least the chapter "Creating God and the Evolution of Genetic Suicide". White people (and especially Jews) have been instrumental in developing technology and producing capital and this is an existential threat to humanity.
legacy.gscdn.nl/archives/images/suicide_note.pdf

Ethan Bailey
Ethan Bailey

So are you against technological development in general,
No, technology is neutral, the people behind it are the ones that are dangerous.
I can use steel to make a knife. I can use said knife to make dinner, or hold it to the neck of a pretty young white woman and rape her. The knife didn’t rape her, I did.
Just replace me with white people.

Jacob Roberts
Jacob Roberts

Why not replace you with black people

Juan Cruz
Juan Cruz

or do you believe exclusively whites have the ability to commit atrocities GIVEN the tools to do so?
I’m just applying your own logic to white people. You’ve really opened my eyes. If race is genetic, and the black race commits more crimes, then their crime committing is due to their genes.
If white people almost exclusively start and perpetuate the most devastating wars, then rape and murder must be in their DNA.
What’s scary is that black people commit crimes against people they know. White people fight wars they often don’t fully understand the reasons for, they’re like pit bulls willing to attack anything on command.

Liam Young
Liam Young

I’m not white.

Carson Morris
Carson Morris

Its P(A|B) dude. Can you not conceptualize conditional probability or hypotheticals?

Jose Hall
Jose Hall

The Bantu expansion is a huge example of one African societies one upping another.
It's a huge example of one group of tribes exterminating all the tribes that weren't part of their group, and nothing else. No pretends the Mongols were great inventors because they conquered a bunch of territory. The fact that you have these special standards for Africans show that you don't believe the races are equal.

Sebastian Parker
Sebastian Parker

so what the "based black man" represents is the ecstasy of the revelation of this lie the conservative or other tells himself, yet cannot fully comprehend.
No-one gives a shot about "based black men", except conservatards.

for example, in the ethnostate, /pol/ don't accept leftists or "degenerates", which shows that this is not a racial issue,
state won't accept traitors
therefore it's not an ethnostate

could also be paraphrased:
for example, in the commune, Zig Forums don't accept rightist or "lumpens", which shows that this is not a class issue,
Do you see how lazy and unoriginal that is?

Michael Sanchez
Michael Sanchez

Did you read you own chart, black male and white female couples are far more likely to divorce. If you can't read that from your chart, you might want to think about where you ideas actually come from. This is the kind of problem you have if you were brainwashed, or gas lit yourself into a position

It's also not a class issue, races aren't classes. Rich black male and white female also have higher rates of divorce and domestic violence. Socio-economic status is generally a weak predictor, especially with respect to heritability due to the regressions to the mean

Ethan Ward
Ethan Ward

Socio-economic status is generally a weak predictor

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Carson Long
Carson Long

It's a huge example of one group of tribes exterminating all the tribes that weren't part of their group
Rarely do groups engage in conquest purely for the purpose of extermination. Regardless of such, the elmination or assimilation of opposing tribes is a consequence of early societal development. Very rarely can progress occur with thousands of tribes occupying the same area without consolidation.
The fact that you have these special standards for Africans show that you don't believe the races are equal.
But he isn't applying a special standard. for example, in the commune, Zig Forums don't accept rightist or "lumpens", which shows that this is not a class issue,
But this isn't contradictory in the slightest because those are both related to class.

Not those two anons btw.

Zachary Morgan
Zachary Morgan

Why is race independent of all the wars they cause when it comes to white people. But it is directly dependent when it comes to black people and all the crime they cause?
Both are forms of violence?
Why is Autism Level directly dependent on race but violence isn’t. Is violence or a proclivity to it not a behavior trait like intelligence is?

Gavin Morales
Gavin Morales

black male and white female couples are far more likely to divorce
White women are far more likely to initiate divorce regardless of which race they’re married to. Does this prove their stupider and more primitive than black people. Is the white race have half its population below blacks.
Rich black male and white female also have higher rates of divorce and domestic violence.
But whites still perpetuate more violence over all in wars. So you agree if uses the metric of most violence caused by a race, white people are actually the largest threat to civilization?

Gavin Foster
Gavin Foster

Yes, the stereotypical hippie sjw antifa member is totally down with rape gangs
<An honest socialist finally admits that socialism isn't the end of crime, or even a solution, but a pathway for the government to commit crimes against it's people on behalf of the majority.
W-when did leftypol get so redpilled.

Robert Sanchez
Robert Sanchez

user doesn't get irony #143792

Charles Adams
Charles Adams

Diversity Is Our Strength
Israel Is A Trusted Ally

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Ryder Morris
Ryder Morris

Keeps saying the left is attacking people who are exclusively calling out rape gangs
Posts zero proof for claims at all and just keeps repeating the question as if it were true
This is what people mean by arguing dishonestly

Isaac Murphy
Isaac Murphy

You're fucking retarded, I already said (before you did) that whites jews and asians (yes thats right including the EVIL wh*te man) are more prone to atrocities than blacks because blacks are incapable of that level of organization here: No it isn't independent of race, I already said that. There is no point talking to you honestly. Nice retard talk retard.

Justin Reyes
Justin Reyes

There is literally no science which shows that tropical peoples are equal in intelligence to the hyperborean races, quite the contrary. You counter the overwhelming evidence of divergent cognitive evolution among human populations with unfalsifiable supernatural conspiracy theories about high-functioning populations perpetually and universally using psychic remote projection to destroy the minds of brown people. This is literally what racial egalitarians believe.

Grayson Walker
Grayson Walker

You counter the overwhelming evidence of divergent cognitive evolution among human populations with unfalsifiable supernatural conspiracy theories about high-functioning populations perpetually and universally using psychic remote projection to destroy the minds of brown people. This is literally what racial egalitarians believe.
What? People have given arguments that are completely not this within this same thread. I even discussed it here and got no response. You also cannot deny that when societies did take shape that were improving the conditions and therefore the average intelligence of there respective countries, the west did step in and shut them down. Gaddafi, Sankara, etc., the list goes on. Every time an African nation seized its own resources, gained the means to utilize them, and began trade (which we discussed before allows for further development as other things which facilitate growth are traded), the west has stepped in to prevent such a state of things from occurring. I have heard it in this thread stated multiple times that African populations are dependent, that they have no potential to form complex or self-sufficient societies. Yet every time this has occurred, they have all been suppressed. I have no qualms about saying initial development was stunted, but now even further development of any kind is actively stunted.

Xavier Taylor
Xavier Taylor

Your posts are a bunch of schizophrenic gibberish. It takes and amazing amount of willful stupidity to deny the overwhelming, universal and immutable stupidity of the African subspecies, to repeatedly conflate Gaddafi's ethnically West-Eurasian Caucasoid Arab-Berber nation with the hapless sub-Saharan negroids who are sold in Libya's slave markets for 20$ a head, and to pretend that Sankara's three year military dictatorship turned his cannibal hellhole of a country into Wakanda. You are either a malevolent kike intent on hoisting this negroid millstone on your racial competitors or you are congenitally incapable of rational thought.

Nolan Jackson
Nolan Jackson

Gaddafi's ethnically West-Eurasian Caucasoid Arab-Berber nation
We're talking about Africa here, and Gaddafi pushed for objectively benefical systems that would assist in developing Africa as a whole like a single gold-based currency and the establishment of a state based loan service not subject to the IMF. This is also ignoring that his programs did assist those "negroids" that were in his own country as well.
Sankara's three year military dictatorship turned his cannibal hellhole of a country into Wakanda.
It objectively increased literacy rates, improved security, and allowed for a series of large-scale housing and infrastructure projects to be undertaken. It's not "Wakanda", but that's a ridiculous comparison to make in the first place. The simple fact is that during this period, it was not a "cannibal hellhole" and was developing rapidly.
You are either a malevolent kike intent on hoisting this negroid millstone on your racial competitors
Apparently me calling for the establishment of socialist governments or at the very least anti-imperialist governments with a stance on further development and self-sufficency is "hoisting a negroid millstone on my racial competitors". Not a kike btw, as much as you keep saying as such.

If anything, I don't get what your issue with this is. I show you systems that do objectively lead to further development, and you just stick your fingers in your ears and say "No this is how things are, this is how they will always be, stop saying development can or did happen, stop formulating solutions that work".

Jace Thompson
Jace Thompson

Are we also going to pretend the Mali never happened?

And no, these aren't separate standards. European dominion is a recent phenomena caused by the Colombian exchange and industrialization that no doubt was helped by all that food they now could get and easily conquered territory to expand into. China had the Himalayas, steppe warriors, the jungles of Vietnam, frigid Siberia and loonies in Japan blocking expansion. India was boxed in by the Indian Ocean, Islamic polities and the jungles of South East Asia. The Himalayas didn't help to say the least.

Europe got cash money with the Americas, no civilization before getting so much easy land.

And now with everyone else technologically catching up, I do wonder if the US or Europe will really persist as dominant powers in the world. India and China both arise, Europe stagnates, the Americans stumble. The Autism Level scores of the developing world catch up, everyone has guns now- if not the US would've had no problem with Vietnam (yeah communists handed the guns to them, but still they got the guns and fought off invading US forces).

Again this 'white is right' mentality is beyond idiotic and no replacement for the alienation neoliberalism has given to the world.

Joseph Lee
Joseph Lee

Ok, so lets summarize. My claim is that no social policy or regime has ever been devised which has converged two evolutionarily divergent human populations in terms of intelligence, orderliness and industriousness, especially not North Eurasian agriculturalists and tropical Bantu negroids. Ostensibly this is because biological characteristics are immutable by anything other than biological means.

Your response centers around some shitty Arab socialist country which was regime-changed by zionists and rapidly descended into bronze age tribal warfare (apparently the beneficial effects of Gaddafi's regime did not in fact extend to increasing the intelligence of the population), and the four year rule of some tinpot African meme dictator whose regime supposedly foisted the Bantu to unprecedented heights of civilization (though after he was shot and thrown in a ditch, the only people who seemed to care were blank-slatist Marxist-LARPing European university kids).

Every time an African nation seized its own resources, gained the means to utilize them, and began trade (which we discussed before allows for further development as other things which facilitate growth are traded), the west has stepped in to prevent such a state of things from occurring.
I have no qualms about saying initial development was stunted, but now even further development of any kind is actively stunted.
There actually are plenty of real examples of the ( (West) ) stepping in to stunt and destroy independent autarkies which were rapidly developing into an annoyance for the global financial system; Czarist Russia, late Soviet Russia, contemporary Russia, contemporary Iran, Iraq, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, the ( (deep state) ) suppression and subversion of the Trump regime, etc. I concede that the international Jewish financial system would act to destroy any serious attempt at national autarky, but while higher functioning groups need to be stunted with sanctions and war, the low intelligence and organizational ability of Bantus allows them to be perpetually derailed with 50$ and a pack of cigarettes to the soldier who shoots his troublesome boss, and even when an African nation does achieve some autarky (Mugabe's Zimbabwe), it hardly converges to European cognitive ability.

Ryder Hill
Ryder Hill

None of this is prove "white isn't right" or white is right mentality is wrong though.

Cameron Baker
Cameron Baker

Arguing dishonestly is deflecting from the question

James Ramirez
James Ramirez

Technology is evil kike magic
Niggers are bad because they're too stupid to organize socially and invent evil kike magic technology, whereas whites and Asians are bad but also are not bad because they make use of evil kike magic technology.
Not even a hint of trying to define the standard of organization or technological development the blacks should achieve while not overstepping to evil kike magic territory, much less a level of intelligence necessary to achieve such a standard
Use of terms like "subspecies" that no serious authority on the matter believes to be accurate defenition, yet calling other people "malevolent" in their reasoning
Suscribes imperialism and the omnipotence of financial capital to an evil elite of kikes, instead of natural consequences of Capitalism (after earlier having called Leftist arguments conspiratorial)
KEK

Your world view is Lord of The Rings tier. In essence you're no different from those twitter teenagers who rely on Harry Potter for their political analysis. Only you're a grown man, which makes you grotesque instead of merely pathetic.

I'm not even against "race realism" as such. I find it highly likely that thousands of years of adapting to distinct environmental conditions has led to un-equal development of populations in terms of cognitive ability. What I fail to see is what in the name of fuck this has to do with Socialism. Furthermore, claims that the failure of Black African nations to achieve stable levels of social development, or black populations within the West to achieve levels of stability/prosperity within America or the West is purely or overwhelmingly due to genetics while socio-economic/geopolitical factors play no/negligible role are from what I see based on motivated reasoning and little else. For any of this shit to be even slightly relevant, the /pol/yp would have to show that not only are blacks dumber than whites in general, but they're dumber to such an extent that their living in a developed nation as functioning citizens is impossible.

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Jonathan Robinson
Jonathan Robinson

<I can't counter any of your points so I'm going to shitpost

come back with a real argument

Logan Watson
Logan Watson

Ok, so lets summarize. My claim is that no social policy or regime has ever been devised which has converged two evolutionarily divergent human populations in terms of intelligence, orderliness and industriousness
Well then, you'd be lying.
Your response centers around some shitty Arab socialist country which was regime-changed by zionists and rapidly descended into bronze age tribal warfare (apparently the beneficial effects of Gaddafi's regime did not in fact extend to increasing the intelligence of the population)
This is a poor argument and I wonder if you even mean it or if you've just given up. I state that a country is developing and shows all the signs of a course towards further development with all the other benefits that come from such, and your response is that within the 50 years (barely even a generation) of Gaddafi's governance the people did not intellectually develop enough to withstand a country wide destabilization and the backing of multiple interior governments by the UN. What kind of argument even is this?
the four year rule of some tinpot African meme dictator whose regime supposedly foisted the Bantu to unprecedented heights of civilization
Not a "tinpot dictator", and again you do this thing where you compare what I'm saying to some ridiculous standard, especially for the time and place. For it's location, it WAS unpercedented heights, but you talk of it as if unless it achieves literal first world levels of development within four years then any development and any evidence for further development is unworthy of discussion.
though after he was shot and thrown in a ditch, the only people who seemed to care were blank-slatist Marxist-LARPing European university kids
Again, statements like this, completely void of the fact that France installed a completely new governance after having Sankara removed, and yet he still exists as a popular figure within his country.
but while higher functioning groups need to be stunted with sanctions and war, the low intelligence and organizational ability of Bantus allows them to be perpetually derailed with 50$ and a pack of cigarettes to the soldier who shoots his troublesome boss
Are we just making stuff up now?

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Samuel Bell
Samuel Bell

This fucking thread was prolonged for 150~ replies due to some polyp changing his stance every 5 seconds and replying shit with 5 word sentences, for fucks sake.
Black/White/Asian/ whatever the fuck peoples are not separate races because there:
1. Are not nearly enough separate from each other biologically to be called a "subspecies"
2. Every human on this goddamn planet is mixed. No pure race exists, and thats the exact reason governments ask you to self-declare, its because what you think your race is *is* your actual race.

what the fuck was that "What is an African" shit, sageanon, africans are people born in africa, the real question is: "are africans black", to which the answer is: "no"
but my Autism Level tests show blacks r dumber
<ignores how these tests are used in completely different societies with different socioeconomic structures, and that includes education
<wants to pretend its because blacks are naturally dumb, and not because they have been raped and still are being raped by the whole fucking world.

are all humans equal then?
nah, but its funny to see nazis argue for the "white race" when they cant point out a single allele, much less point out who's "white" without making a gross generalization. Africa is a problem compared to the rest of the world? What about south america? Or the middle east? Are they all african too? Where does the line drop?

Mason Young
Mason Young

Africa is a problem compared to the rest of the world?
Yes
What about south america?
yes

Or the middle east?
yes

Are they all african too? Where does the line drop?
the saharah desert

Bentley Price
Bentley Price

subspecies are identified through external appearance alone, the races are literal different subspecies, subspecies were traditionally identified if you could distinguish 75% of a population into two groups through external appearance alone

Adrian Brown
Adrian Brown

subspecies are identified through external appearance alone,
Well not exactly, no. To be a subspecies the variation has to have abrupt objective genetic differentiation well above that of the differences that exists for the local population. You're confusing this with the older classification of subspecies which WAS purely morphological but which scientists no longer use because it lacked proper objective scoring that could be applicable to all species. If we defined subspecies as we defined race, then we would end up with every species and every genetically discernible population containing within them thousands of races. Of course this is unfeasible, so now subspecies is generally defined using fst=(Ht-Hs)/Ht and seeing if this is above or below 25%. One of the reasons there are constant revisions and recategorizations of species and subspecies is due to this.

So, while technically you're partially right, you're also admitting to using an antiquated system of defining subspecies that was abandoned due to it being a generally inferior way of categorizing subspecies.

Lucas Turner
Lucas Turner

As I understand it, the subspecies taxon only applies when you have two clearly distinct populations. This isn't the case with humans. Human variation exists across a spectrum rather than a clear boundary. According to standard genetic theory, it is a cline.
To be a subspecies the variation has to have abrupt objective genetic differentiation well above that of the differences that exists for the local population.
Not true. The hooded crow and carrion crow are considered distinct species despite being genetically identical.

Landon Murphy
Landon Murphy

There's no point in making arguments against positions that are held together by motivated reasoning. Your world view is so rife with contradictions no person would hold it unless motivated by emotional reasons and masturbation fantasies. When faced with a counter argument you revert to Olympic level mental gymnastics (ok whites are worse but they're also superior and they're only worse becaus the kikes are worser!).

It's much better policy to just mock you. It's all you deserve.

Aaron Perry
Aaron Perry

There's no point in making arguments against positions that are held together by motivated reasoning. Your world view is so rife with contradictions no person would hold it unless motivated by emotional reasons and masturbation fantasies. When faced with a counter argument you revert to Olympic level mental gymnastics (ok whites are worse but they're also superior and they're only worse becaus the kikes are worser!).

It's much better policy to just mock you. It's all you deserve.

And the liberal coincides defeat
Anti racists btfo

Brayden James
Brayden James

Not true. The hooded crow and carrion crow are considered distinct species despite being genetically identical.
This is more the exception rather than the rule, and the decision was (and still is) fiercely debated over the reasons of such. The arguments for the splitting has to do with origin and certain observable aspects as well as hybridization, and was made because another part that is taken into consideration many times when defining a species/subspecies is evolutionary lineage and ancestor. The birds situation was very different from that of humans, because while humans share a common ancestor, the argument for the birds was made that they may have evolved completely separately from each other from completely different ancestors and that they just so happend end up being nearly the same currently. It's a one of case.

Most subspecies are still classified using fst=(Ht-Hs)/Ht and the 25% rule.

Austin Peterson
Austin Peterson

And the liberal coincides defeat
Not him, but you are using the term liberal incorrectly and you did do everything he said you did.

Carson Wood
Carson Wood

Not him, but you are using the term liberal incorrectly and you did do everything he said you did.

no hes a liberal

Jose Ramirez
Jose Ramirez

no hes a liberal
Starting to understand why he was mocking you with answers like these.

Ryder Moore
Ryder Moore

stop responding. this guy has been trolling ever since this thread's conception.

Anthony Mitchell
Anthony Mitchell

Starting to understand why he was mocking you with answers like these.
because he's a butthurt liberal who has no where left to run

Jackson Campbell
Jackson Campbell

no fun allowed
"Race realism" is the liberal position. That's why people like Stephen Pinker and Sam Harris love it so much. It justifies global inequalities as natural and good, and allows us to safely ignore them while we continue our nice neoliberal policies. If black people are inherently inferior, that means the current economic system is basically working! Maybe we need to help out blacks with a bit more welfare reform, that's another conversation, but the fact remains that the current economic order is the nice meritocracy liberals always said it would be! Liberal civil rights movements have overcome the racism of the past and created an inequality that's entirely natural. Hooray liberalism.
Even the language is very liberal. Liberals love taking the pragmatic realistic position between the two extremes. Hence "race realism."

Nathan Reed
Nathan Reed

"Race realism" is the liberal position
That's why people like Stephen Pinker and Sam Harris love it so much

claims its a liberal position
cites conservatives
i guess if you're talking about classical liberalism maybe

however rejecting science its liberal to the core.
It ranks up there with the 72 genders.

It justifies global inequalities as natural and good, and allows us to safely ignore them while we continue our nice neoliberal policies
it doesn't justify it by any means what are you talking about?

If black people are inherently inferior, that means the current economic system is basically working!
Race realism does not = black people are inherently inferior

but the fact remains that the current economic order is the nice meritocracy liberals always said it would be!
Liberal civil rights movements have overcome the racism of the past and created an inequality that's entirely natural. Hooray liberalism.
are you shit posting here?

Even the language is very liberal. Liberals love taking the pragmatic realistic position between the two extremes. Hence "race realism."
ok but this is just semantics

Jackson Harris
Jackson Harris

No, my mentally incapacitated friend. I keep mocking you because you keep acting in the exact way I've laid out, proving me right to any possible lurker and providing the rest of us with amusement. For example here I was tempted to predict your next move by using the old saying about playing chess with pigeons, but then I decided it would be funnier to let you act it out on your own initiative.

I'm a Communist, not a liberal. I could waste my time explaining the difference to you, but you'd only go on a tirade about rootless, cosmopolitan kikes or something to that effect. Then you'd demand an argument be presented against the fantasy spook you've conjured up, not even realising the irony.

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Luis Gomez
Luis Gomez

I'm a Communist, not a liberal
then why do you continue to prove yourself a liberal

Ethan Myers
Ethan Myers

cites conservatives
Even in the America-centric way you seem to be using the terms this doesn't work. Sam Harris and Steven Pinker are not conservatives. I can't imagine either of them voting for a republican.
i guess if you're talking about classical liberalism maybe
"Classical liberalism" is a meme.
however rejecting science its liberal to the core.
It ranks up there with the 72 genders.
I agree, assuming you're talking about race realism here. Categorising people into races is exactly the same shit as categorising them in genders. Both are cases of vague and subtle phenotypic variation forced into unworkable pigeonholes. It begins with a broken dichotomy (male and female, white and black), and instead of acknowledging that it can never be made to work, they try to fix it by introducing new labels, usually to feel unique about themselves. "I'm not white, white people are niggers. I'm Germanic."
it doesn't justify it by any means what are you talking about?
It doesn't justify it in its entirety. That's not my implication. Of course you'll be able to challenge the legitimacy of capitalism on some other basis.
But it does resolve this particular crisis of legitimacy. It allows them to claim liberalism offers equality of opportunity regardless of race.
Race realism does not = black people are inherently inferior
Oh no, they wouldn't call them inferior. Liberals are too politically correct for that. They'd say "different," "lower average Autism Level," "short-term time preference" etc… Then they'd go on that these differences make them less economically valuable. Again, they'd acknowledge that we might want to have social policies to help support these people. Of course that's Utopian but they don't think of it that way.
are you shit posting here?
I'm explaining why liberals like yourself love race realism. You can deny it but that doesn't change that it's true.
are you shit posting here?
No it reflects ideological assumptions.
You seem utterly incapable of ideological critique. Work on that.

Justin Wilson
Justin Wilson

(me)
second
are you shit posting here?
was meant to be
ok but this is just semantics

Juan Brown
Juan Brown

Even in the America-centric way you seem to be using the terms this doesn't work. Sam Harris and Steven Pinker are not conservatives. I can't imagine either of them voting for a republican.
ok nice opinion

"Classical liberalism" is a meme.
not an argument

I agree, assuming you're talking about race realism here.
No the common rejection of reality by liberals. Saying there is no race and saying there are infinite number of genders

Categorising people into races is exactly the same shit as categorising them in genders.
Race has a materialist aspect to it gender does not

It begins with a broken dichotomy (male and female, white and black),
but these aren't broken

and instead of acknowledging that it can never be made to work, they try to fix it by introducing new labels, usually to feel unique about themselves. "I'm not white, white people are niggers. I'm Germanic."
you just made this up

Ian Cruz
Ian Cruz

you just made this up
Sorry to break it to you, but a similar phenomenon to the "72 genders" not only apply to race, but even predates it.

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Dominic Ward
Dominic Ward

Can someone define "white". Once person said it's simply ancestry. But the Romans of antiquity belonged to several haplogroups.
Regardless, what are the alleles these ancestral races share that make them so stupid in the case of black people, and so smart in the case of white people. I can never get an answer as to what alleles make a white person.

Parker Thompson
Parker Thompson

it's refreshing to see someone that's not outright denying the evidence like many in this thread, but still taking issue with the political interpretation of this evidence. i wish we could all accept the connection between race and cognitive ability, and then center a conversation on how this impacts the future of the left. this is not a conversation you can have in any other leftist spaces on the internet.

i also agree that the cognitive differences that exist between races does not appear to be so severe that they won't be able to handle the greater role of workers that comes with socialist organization.
but whatever position you all take on this question, advances in technology in the coming years will make evidence of this connection clearer to regular people. i feel that if the left openly denies such an obvious fact that is so deeply intuitive for people in a multicultural society, it won't gain much support. they'll either choose to take the free market logic that blacks should essentially remain as a member of the permanent underclass or potentially move towards a eugenics program.

Hunter Cooper
Hunter Cooper

If unintelligence is a condition of blackness no black person should ever be intelligent.

Jacob Moore
Jacob Moore

it's refreshing to see someone that's not outright denying the evidence like many in this thread, but still taking issue with the political interpretation of this evidence.
You're ignoring the question of what 'white' is. You're also ignoring socioeconomic factors that are proven to be much stronger indicators of human development.

Kevin Ramirez
Kevin Ramirez

HEY STORM CUCKS, LIST THE "WHITE" ALLELES.
IF YOU SAY WHITE = ANCESTRY= WHAT ALLELES ARE THESE "WHITE" PEOPLE SHARING THAT'S MAKING SO MUCH BETTER THAN BLACKS
You should easily be able to produce this.

Bentley Reed
Bentley Reed

*IF YOU SAY WHITE = ANCESTRY, WHAT ALLELES ARE THESE "WHITE" PEOPLE SHARING THAT'S MAKING SO MUCH BETTER THAN BLACKS

John Hernandez
John Hernandez

you need one specific allele to be considered objectively distinct from blacks and not merely a recognizably different distribution/frequency of alleles
you're dumb. people who fall for this line of argumentation are also dumb.

just letting you know.

Landon Robinson
Landon Robinson

forgot flag

Noah Carter
Noah Carter

white is defined as people who are of wholly indigenous descendents of European Christendom

if this definition isn't precise for you then we can define white as people who do not qualify for affirmative action and people who get accused of having white privilege :^)

why do y'all folx always makes pretend to not know what a white person is I hate you all just because of how disingenuous you are about things

Eli Davis
Eli Davis

i don't understand how you came to that conclusion after reading my post. intelligence varies both between races and within them. blacks can still be very intelligent, but the average intelligence of their race still applies to them.
inb4 muh black scientist list
You're ignoring the question of what 'white' is.
what? i'm not any of those people you were replying to, and so i'm not sure what you're getting at.
You're also ignoring socioeconomic factors that are proven to be much stronger indicators of human development.
no i'm not. i agree that improvement in the socioeconomic conditions of a population leads to higher Autism Level scores. however, this flynn effect or whatever you want to call it will inevitably have its limits.

do you believe that race and Autism Level are totally unrelated, or that these differences are only a partial factor in explaining why black people score so low on Autism Level tests? it would make it easier to respond to you if you could specify.

Connor Nelson
Connor Nelson

butt flusttered storm fag
NO U
white is defined as people who are of wholly indigenous descendents of European Christendom
Why is this ancestry important? It's because they all share the similar or the same genetics right? What are those genetics?
why do y'all folx always makes pretend to not know what a white person is I hate you all just because of how disingenuous you are about things
Because you're claiming a bunch of traits like blacks being stupider to race. Okay if they're stupider then explain scientifically why. As in what genes.

Lucas Howard
Lucas Howard

what? i'm not any of those people you were replying to, and so i'm not sure what you're getting at.
Define white genetically. Simply claiming they all share an ancestry means they share some genetics right? Which genetics?
i agree that improvement in the socioeconomic conditions of a population leads to higher Autism Level scores. however, this flynn effect or whatever you want to call it will inevitably have its limits.
Asians and Indians do better on Autism Level scores than whites. Do this mean that they are the actual superior race then?

Leo Collins
Leo Collins

white is defined as people who are of wholly indigenous descendents of European Christendom
Name the alleles that these "wholly indigenous descendants of European Christendom" share. Race is genetic right? If it's simply culture that's making white people smarter (yet stupider than say Mayans during the same time period) then it's social factors.
If there's some kind of genetics white people share, that black people aren't physically in possession of, then name them.

Gavin Edwards
Gavin Edwards

it's refreshing to see someone that's not outright denying the evidence like many in this thread, but still taking issue with the political interpretation of this evidence.
Almost no one was doing this, save maybe one. What people were disagreeing on was the validity of race as a category to classify people, and the reasons for average intelligence differences. I even brought it up here as well as other posts and other people gave various materialist analyses of "race". The problem that's occurring is that all of the opposing /pol/-tier analyses are garbage and make such farcical claims as the ones here and . Multiple leftist geographical and materialist arguments have been made in this thread that are consistent, with the added point that there were societies that did emerge and showed potential towards further development who were stamped out.
advances in technology in the coming years will make evidence of this connection clearer to regular people.
As I said before, clinical genetic tailoring will probably do the opposite.
i feel that if the left openly denies such an obvious fact that is so deeply intuitive for people in a multicultural society
Do not use intuition and correlate it with fact in the same sentence. Also, I doubt the impact of such things as it implies that this is the determining factor above anything, a claim most here would contest.
if this definition isn't precise for you then we can define white as people who do not qualify for affirmative action and people who get accused of having white privilege :^)
We don't care for affirmative action and we don't accuse people of "white privilege" because that's a garbage racial idpol term exempt from class.
I hate you all just because of how disingenuous you are about things
This whole thread has been /pol/ shitposters being disingenuous and dishonest about their arguments, insisting that we should take their takes about "subhuman niggers" or one sentence arguments seriously.

Carson Lee
Carson Lee

wholly indigenous descendents of European Christendom
European Christendom

So according to you, race orginate from both a geographical delimination and a cultural one. In other word from social constructs.
Horseshoe theory was right all allong but it actually apply to stormfags and liberals!

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Colton Robinson
Colton Robinson

We know what a white person is. The reason we keep asking this question is to demonstrate that the specific defenitions you classcucks use are political, self-serving and subject to change. For example the first defenition you use excludes a significant portion of American "whites", while the second defenition goes so far as to include American Jews (and Asians to a lesser degree).

Easton Perez
Easton Perez

white is defined as people who are of wholly indigenous descendents of European Christendom
Does the fact that these Europeans were picking turds out of water and drinking it (this is what caused the black plague) while Mayan and Incan civilizations were thriving prove that whites are sub humans relative to Mexicans, and other Indigenous people?

Luke Reyes
Luke Reyes

you don't have to point to specific alleles that are unique to a population for there a population to be distinct. simply different distributions of those alleles. this is a "find the genes" argument. it is very stupid.
Americans are descendents of indigenous Europeans. the ones that didnt race mix anyway. Jews outbred very little up until recent history they are in their own category.
r u having a stroke Pablo
culture is tied to genes which are tied to geography

Lucas Lee
Lucas Lee

you don't have to point to specific alleles that are unique to a population for there a population to be distinct. simply different distributions of those alleles. this is a "find the genes" argument. it is very stupid.
correlation = causation
You do if you are making claims to traits that are inherent to a person's race. Are white people physically better than black people. Are their brains smarter because of their physical race? If so then those physical traits are determined by alleles.
Americans are descendents of indigenous Europeans. the ones that didnt race mix anyway. Jews outbred very little up until recent history they are in their own category.
So your definition of race is social and not based in biology.
r u having a stroke Pablo
Was the black plague caused by whites drinking shit water while Mayans were building temples or not. Seems like subhuman behavior to me.
Does that prove Mexicans are intellectually superior to whites. I don't think any race has been as filthy as whites after the fall of Roman. With modern day Africans, they have technologically superior countries oppressing them. What excuse do whites have for such backward behavior?
culture is tied to genes which are tied to geography
What genes storm cuck. Name them.

Aiden Moore
Aiden Moore

culture is tied to genes
I have no idea how a /pol/yp even believes this given even just European cultural differences.

Adam Diaz
Adam Diaz

culture is tied to genes which are tied to geography
NAME THE GENES THAT ARE TIED TO CULTURAL AND GEOGRAPHY

Kayden Adams
Kayden Adams

What physical traits make a white person? Black and white people both have two arms, legs, and eyes. Those can be objectively measured. But just because they share those physical traits they're not the same race right?
What physical traits, that are inalienable that make white people. Culture is not inalienable. Nor is geography.

Carson Campbell
Carson Campbell

Sorry to break it to you, but a similar phenomenon to the "72 genders" not only apply to race, but even predates it.
no 72 genders is the rejection of science along with "race does not exist"

Eli Peterson
Eli Peterson

C R A N I A L V O L U Me s

ITD THE BRAINS YOU DUMB BABOON

Dominic Brown
Dominic Brown

no 72 genders is the rejection of science along with "race does not exist"
Okay give me the scientific definition of race. For one tell me if race is an inalienable genetic trait or not.
If whites are smarter because they have bigger skulls, why did they drink shit water during the middle ages while Aztecs were building temples?

Gabriel Watson
Gabriel Watson

LMAO, how does this make white people smarter. Increased cooling? Space for mod chips? Hahaha

Ethan Kelly
Ethan Kelly

Okay give me the scientific definition of race. For one tell me if race is an inalienable genetic trait or not.
race is a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as distinct by society

Xavier Young
Xavier Young

If whites are smarter because they have bigger skulls, why did they drink shit water during the middle ages while Aztecs were building temples?
i dunno? Even Michael Jordan misses shots sometimes too

if Mayans were so great why were they wiped out by a few dozen Spaniards sneezing in their general direction?

Liam Rivera
Liam Rivera

Why aren't whales smarter than humans then. or are they?

Jaxson Ortiz
Jaxson Ortiz

how does larger AND denser brains make whites smarter while overall body mass remain the same
you're sub 1100 cubic cm for sure

John Sanchez
John Sanchez

what is encephalization quotient
i literally brought this up 200 posts ago and its so airtight no body EVEN bothered to address it

Daniel Sanders
Daniel Sanders

i dunno? Even Michael Jordan misses shots sometimes too
On man, missing a shot is equivalent to an entire civilization being so stupendously backward they gave themselves the black plague.
You haven't identified white people. Is it simply, people with larger skull cavities?
When did you get around to measuring all these skulls. Are you sure you're not correlating black skin with smaller brain pans? I think you are
you're sub 1100 cubic cm for sure
You'd think if white people were so smart, they'd be able to succinctly define whiteness.
So storm cuck, is brain pan size the defining trait of race. Because that's simply a phenotype honey buns. You need more that that to make a race.

Alexander Cox
Alexander Cox

encephalization quotient
<Encephalization Quotient was developed as an attempt to provide a way to correlate physical characteristics of an animal with perceived intelligence. It improved on the previous attempt, brain-to-body mass ratio, so it has persisted. Subsequent work, notably Roth[1], found EQ to be flawed and suggested brain size was a better predictor, but that has problems as well.
Looks like science says it's a bad way to predict intelligence. Neuron count is better, and heavier brains doesn't mean more neurons LMAO
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalization_quotient
ANYWAY
Define THE INALIENABLE PHYSICAL TRAITS OF WHITE PEOPLE You stated 1 so far.

Sebastian Reyes
Sebastian Reyes

reasons for average intelligence differences
every explanation i've read about the flynn effect, faulty Autism Level testing, and geography has been wholly unconvincing. it appears to me that they start with the assumption that everyone is equal and work backwards from there, but we can dig more into these if you'd like.
clinical genetic tailoring will probably do the opposite
here's a harvard geneticist claiming the opposite: nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html
he must be a crypto-nazi, right?!?

This whole thread has been /pol/ shitposters being disingenuous and dishonest about their arguments, insisting that we should take their takes about "subhuman niggers" or one sentence arguments seriously.
a good way to convince yourself that you've won an argument is to mischaracterize it

What physical traits make an x person?
that other guy was making some stupid claims, but here's a concrete example: nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html

To get a sense of what modern genetic research into average biological differences across populations looks like, consider an example from my own work. Beginning around 2003, I began exploring whether the population mixture that has occurred in the last few hundred years in the Americas could be leveraged to find risk factors for prostate cancer, a disease that occurs 1.7 times more often in self-identified African-Americans than in self-identified European-Americans. This disparity had not been possible to explain based on dietary and environmental differences, suggesting that genetic factors might play a role.

Self-identified African-Americans turn out to derive, on average, about 80 percent of their genetic ancestry from enslaved Africans brought to America between the 16th and 19th centuries. My colleagues and I searched, in 1,597 African-American men with prostate cancer, for locations in the genome where the fraction of genes contributed by West African ancestors was larger than it was elsewhere in the genome. In 2006, we found exactly what we were looking for: a location in the genome with about 2.8 percent more African ancestry than the average.

When we looked in more detail, we found that this region contained at least seven independent risk factors for prostate cancer, all more common in West Africans. Our findings could fully account for the higher rate of prostate cancer in African-Americans than in European-Americans. We could conclude this because African-Americans who happen to have entirely European ancestry in this small section of their genomes had about the same risk for prostate cancer as random Europeans.

Did this research rely on terms like “African-American” and “European-American” that are socially constructed, and did it label segments of the genome as being probably “West African” or “European” in origin? Yes. Did this research identify real risk factors for disease that differ in frequency across those populations, leading to discoveries with the potential to improve health and save lives? Yes.

in your utopian marxist society of the future, do you think that 100 meter sprinters will be equally distributed across all races? do you find it purely coincidental in these cranial studies that jews have the largest cranial capacity and blacks are at the bottom?

Looks like science says it's a bad way to predict intelligence.
*a scientist in an industry where they would be immediately ostracized for claiming otherwise. remember that the same scientists you cite are apart of the elite institutions that disavow marxism and perpetuate the neoliberal world order.

Logan King
Logan King

that other guy was making some stupid claims, but here's a concrete example
not at all. human variation in cranial capacity is pretty obvious. there isn't anything that could be more obvious (other than facial features and skin tone)

William Sullivan
William Sullivan

every explanation i've read about the flynn effect, faulty Autism Level testing, and geography has been wholly unconvincing.
Lol the only thing unconvincing is that Autism Level tests measure intelligence.
They measure how educated you are, to what's on the test.
here's a harvard geneticist claiming the opposite: nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html
he must be a crypto-nazi, right?!?
YES, it's right back to the bullshit haplogroups.
You're "race" is all correlations to disasese susceptibility, and other bullshit that effects both blacks and whites.
If there were distinct races, a disease effect one race and not the other.
Then he makes the same dumbass leap in logic about Autism Level tests measuring intelligence. If white people are so smart, why'd they get 100's of millions of themselves killed in WWII and a bunch of other wars?
Intelligence is more than, "Books white people think are important to know".
This is all just cucked Nazi bullshit. Regardless, just list the alleles of a race now. If race exists, and it can be traced to ancestry, then what common alleles do "white" ancestry people share that makes them white?

Matthew Brooks
Matthew Brooks

So what the cranial cavity of these low Autism Level scoring black people measured to determine their race? If so please link study!

David Wilson
David Wilson

there isn't anything that could be more obvious (other than facial features and skin tone)
List the ones that make white people, who many and which are needed to be considered "white" and not "mixed race". You Nazis think race is so important I would think you'd have this in your back pocket. It's because you're Amerimutts

Jackson Thompson
Jackson Thompson

in your utopian marxist society of the future, do you think that 100 meter sprinters will be equally distributed across all races?
Yes, because your white race will be erased when you're bred out. Ironically this is accelerated under capitalism, but you blame commies for it lol.
do you find it purely coincidental in these cranial studies that jews have the largest cranial capacity and blacks are at the bottom?
Wouldn't that make Jews the real ubermench then?

Lucas Nelson
Lucas Nelson

reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/2ksbw5/an_incredibly_fascinating_map_of_the_average/

Asher Peterson
Asher Peterson

it appears to me that they start with the assumption that everyone is equal and work backwards from there
As opposed to starting to the assumptions that niggers are dumb and working backwards from there?

Hudson Phillips
Hudson Phillips

But whites still perpetuate more violence over all in wars.
That's just not true, nor has it ever been true. Right now blacks in Africa are massacring each other, burning entire villages and killing everyone in them. This happens in North Nigeria, Sudan, either of the Congos, etc. Your position requires either a denial of the facts, or profound and pervasive ignorance of just about everything. At best the ignorance is selective. While African warlords/guerila armies using kidnapped child soldiers has been erased for the discourse, you have some obligation to know more than the masses being dispossessed by the media.

White women are far more likely to initiate divorce regardless of which race they’re married to. Does this prove their stupider and more primitive than black people.
No, obviously not. Everyone also knows that whites are far less likely to be religious than non-whites. This factor alone would drive up the divource rates. The Second, and larger, factor is that a lot of blacks and hispanics simply have kids out of wedlock, the father leaves, and they never marry. There are just less marriages to be broken up. You're not even good at grasping at straws, how are you this stupid?

Brandon Ortiz
Brandon Ortiz

This doesn't prove that the blacks getting low Autism Level test scores had small brain pans.
But whites still perpetuate more violence over all in wars.
That's just not true, nor has it ever been true.
It is true, WWII alone makes all other wars in the 20th and 21st century pale on comparison.
Right now blacks in Africa are massacring each other, burning entire villages and killing everyone in them.
These African soldiers are proxies for cooperate interests owned by white people.
This happens in North Nigeria, Sudan, either of the Congos, etc.
Lol, all these warlords are on the take by the CIA and other intelligence agencies to get the rare earth minerals. All these intelligence agency are owned by white people. Regardless, these wars pale in comparison to even smaller wars started and fought by white people like Vietnam.
Your position requires either a denial of the facts, or profound and pervasive ignorance of just about everything
No your position requires burger high school tier knowledge of history and politics.
A bunch of niggers with AKs in the middle of the heart of Africa can't cause the same amount of destruction that the US can with 300 bases that span the entire world. It's physically impossible. And the US military is owned and controlled by white people yes?

Christopher Sanders
Christopher Sanders

nigger you are an actual retard

Benjamin Miller
Benjamin Miller

it appears to me that they start with the assumption that everyone is equal and work backwards from there

As opposed to starting to the assumptions that niggers are dumb and working backwards from there?
i never said this

Connor Turner
Connor Turner

No, obviously not. Everyone also knows that whites are far less likely to be religious than non-whites. This factor alone would drive up the divource rates. The Second, and larger, factor is that a lot of blacks and hispanics simply have kids out of wedlock, the father leaves, and they never marry. There are just less marriages to be broken up. You're not even good at grasping at straws, how are you this stupid?
Lol, the largest number of single mothers are fucking white women, along with the largest amount of divorces initiated by white women. There is a disproportionate amount of single mothers among Hispanics and blacks but the idea that they're not getting wed at rates comparable to white people is just pulling shit from your ass.

Jason Rodriguez
Jason Rodriguez

Have the largest most devastating wars been instigated by white people are not? Has there been any war comparable to WWII started by black people?

Brandon Turner
Brandon Turner

400 replies

At this point I unironically wonder if race and I Q has become some kind of religion for nontheistic reactionaries. Even if they were right about it, using it as the basis for your entire worldview is extremely retarded.

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Justin Smith
Justin Smith

Every fucking thread of this kind follow the same pattern.
400 replies is even pretty mild actually, but you can bet this thread will keep going longer and might even be followed by another one.

Kayden Roberts
Kayden Roberts

ok nice opinion
And your opinion is? Do you see these figures voting for a republican? I'm trying to explain to you why I consider them liberals.
not an argument
I'm asking you why you're giving credence to a fake ideology.
Race has a materialist aspect to it gender does not
Not really. Claims of neurological differences among gender identities and among races are about equally vague, but in my estimation there's more of a basis for the gender stuff.
but these aren't broken
More proof that you're a liberal conservative. "The traditional order isn't broken! Young people are just straying too far from it!" Wrong. The problem is that they aren't going far enough.
you just made this up
What? Coming up with original observations is a bad thing? I guess I should just copy tired talking points off /pol/ like you do.

Leo Hughes
Leo Hughes

This is what means to be white.

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Carson Bennett
Carson Bennett

every explanation i've read about the flynn effect, faulty Autism Level testing, and geography has been wholly unconvincing. it appears to me that they start with the assumption that everyone is equal and work backwards from there, but we can dig more into these if you'd like.
What? Read my posts about how geographically complex societies had a hard time developing in Africa, and how this comes with the obvious affect of stunting a populations intellectual development.
he must be a crypto-nazi, right?!?
Why would I say as such when I haven't read the article yet? I have now, and it seems he is largely agreeing with what I am saying, which is that the science doesn't inherently come to the conclusions that you are stating and that when applied clinically with objective markers can be beneficial. He also clarifies between the race, which is a social construct, and genetic differentiation among different populations. I literally brought up haplogroups at the very beginning of this thread.
a good way to convince yourself that you've won an argument is to mischaracterize it
I literally linked two arguements that were exactly what I said.
Conflating physical differences (which no one denies) with the concept of race
Stop this
in your utopian marxist society of the future, do you think that 100 meter sprinters will be equally distributed across all races?
Utopian
equally distributed
Read fucking Marx before you make assumptions that it even calls for equal distribution.

Btw, I am

Camden Hernandez
Camden Hernandez

Whales got biggest cranial volumes so they are the smartest?

Hunter Diaz
Hunter Diaz

everyone who believes race and Autism Level are related is a nazi
man is born free, but he is everywhere chained to retards
i hate it when you make a feeble argument towards every aspect you can. it would be much more convincing if you kept to a few of them…
to what's on the test
clearly Autism Level is socially constructed and a relative way of measuring intelligence. but do you believe that does not have significant implication about how someone can process information and perform in society, be it a capitalist or socialist one? can you propose an alternative method of measuring intelligence? it's not as if they're asking "how can you impress your boss?" or culturally loaded questions
They measure how educated you are
education benefits everyone's cognitive abilities, but thing you learn in school are not reflected in the test itself. you're also demonstrating how unfamiliar you are with the position you're attacking, as we've cited studies that have controlled for socioeconomic status and attacked the notion that socioeconomic status can bring everyone on the same cognitive playing field.

You're "race" is all correlations to disasese susceptibility, and other bullshit that effects both blacks and whites.
DIFFERENTLY. IN VARYING TENDENCIES. REVEALING SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO. JUST LIKE INTELLIGENCE.
why'd they get 100's of millions of themselves killed in WWII and a bunch of other wars?
if it reveals anything, it's quite impressive that they achieved the technological development to kill each other so rapidly and on such a grand scale. it's clear that smart people can do deeply immoral things. i thought that you were a marxist and understood these things.

Even if they were right about it
c'mon son
using it as the basis for your entire worldview is extremely retarded
yes but it may be even more retarded to ignore the evidence and attack their position on the wrong basis

he quoted the wrong person (me)

Christian Martinez
Christian Martinez

Have they addressed the shoddy work done by researchers of their viewpoint?

Nicholas Anderson
Nicholas Anderson

These pictures will make you understand the proper definition of the glorious white race.

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David Young
David Young

A lot of the beliefs held by "science" regarding intelligence have been basically religion and politically motivated from the start, despite numerous attempts to cut through ideology and arrive at some actually useful definition of intelligence and cognition.
You have, for example, this persistent belief in "theory of mind" that is not supported by any material evidence at all, and is purely rooted in philosophy (religion). This moronic idea has basically destroyed any meaningful conception of cognition, purely because "theory of mind" appeals to the hubris of a good number of people (or at least, such ideology dominates popular and vulgar psychology, but there is no evidence to suggest the most cutting edge knowledge is significantly better).
It's not just a reactionary thing. There are very few people who don't implicitly assume intelligence matters in the same way that reactionaries assume, because it's something inherent in how education and knowledge is exchanged in general. The reactionaries are just so intellectually dishonest (and typically lacking relative to the low standards of humanity) and morally bankrupt that it's far more obvious with them.

Joshua Stewart
Joshua Stewart

All three of you stop fucking shitposting. There were actual anons with arguements against many of the points made.

Michael Torres
Michael Torres

clearly Autism Level is socially constructed and a relative way of measuring intelligence.
So you concede that it's not an objective measure that can be applied outside of it's very narrow field.
it's not as if they're asking "how can you impress your boss?" or culturally loaded questions
Is intelligence inalienable to race or not? Just answer that question.
If it's not, the you can't use Autism Level because you can literally raise it by simply studying.
man is born free, but he is everywhere chained to retards
I image your retardation is a very heavy cross to bear.
you're also demonstrating how unfamiliar you are with the position you're attacking, as we've cited studies that have controlled for socioeconomic status and attacked the notion that socioeconomic status can bring everyone on the same cognitive playing field.
IQ tests are literally school tests. They test you on shit like math and history, which are all learned and not genetic knowledge
Who gives a fuck what studies were done when Autism Level doesn't measure intelligence to begin with.
DIFFERENTLY. IN VARYING TENDENCIES. REVEALING SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO. JUST LIKE INTELLIGENCE.
HEY IDIOT, THE SCIENTIST BEHIND YOUR PRECIOUS STUDY HIMSELF SAID RACE IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT
And "differences" doesn't constitute a fucking race. White people are different from each other dip shit. You haven't defined the fucking differences between the races.
if it reveals anything, it's quite impressive that they achieved the technological development to kill each other so rapidly and on such a grand scale. it's clear that smart people can do deeply immoral things.
I thought races that were violent and dumb were dangerous to civilization and needed to be exterminated.
How is it that black people who commit crime are an extensional threat to humanity, but the race that has killed by far the most people is not?
How is doing deeply immoral things still "smart". Hitler lost the war and got oodles of Aryans killed. Even putting morals aside, how was that ultimately "smart" of him or the German people that perpetuated it?
Are white people to stupid to realize that they don't know all the variables in something like warefare and could lose?

Jace Perry
Jace Perry

Lol, the largest number of single mothers are fucking white women
Blacks are 13% of the population. When 6,5% of the population does something at an extreme rate, the absolute number becomes less than when 35% of population does something at a reasonable rate.

There is a disproportionate amount of single mothers among Hispanics and blacks but the idea that they're not getting wed at rates comparable to white people is just pulling shit from your ass.
The vast majority of black grow up father, 70-80% of black children grow up without a father. Either blacks are barely having children at all, or the vast majority of them were born out of wedlock and no marriage followed. Whites are no-where near 70-80% growing up without a father.

Elijah Morgan
Elijah Morgan

It is true, WWII alone makes all other wars in the 20th and 21st century pale on comparison.
Not really, in absolute number that is true. But, not in relative numbers. Exterminations and attempts at exterminations continue to this day. To call Africans peaceful because they don't have bombs, or fighters jet is just silly.

>These African soldiers are proxies for cooperate interests owned by white people.
Why did the white man pay Kony to kidnap children into a millitant pseudo-Christian cult and slaugther villages. Can you do a material analysis for me, oh great dialectician?
Lol, all these warlords are on the take by the CIA and other intelligence agencies to get the rare earth minerals. All these intelligence agency are owned by white people.
Oh, you're an actually conspiracy retard.

Liam Brown
Liam Brown

the obvious affect of stunting a populations intellectual development
when you say "stunting a populations intellectual development" are you implying that such a process results in permanent or temporary effects (not including really slow evolution) on a population's intelligence? some of the studies often used to support my position control for socioeconomic factors, and so this would seem to go against either claim.

They test you on shit like math and history
math and history
history
i'll just talk to the other guy now. you are not interested in the truth, or you are genuinely too stupid to understand it.

Luke Anderson
Luke Anderson

Yes there is a few.
1st a reply to the infamous study "debunking" Gould.

2nd about The Bell Curve "Figures never lies, but often liars figure" as they says

3rd Rushton can't into biology.

Also forgot the name of the guy who gt half of his dataset by extrapolation. Should find somewhere.

Intelligence agencies aren't used to secure business interests.
Come on

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Jackson Hughes
Jackson Hughes

history
There was History related questions when i got eye queue testing as a teenager. I'm pretty sure there isn't a single standardized I Q test everyone is using to the exclusion of every other.

Julian Perry
Julian Perry

yes but it may be even more retarded to ignore the evidence and attack their position on the wrong basis
No, it isn't. Being misinformed isn't the same as being a cultist.

Oliver Hill
Oliver Hill

Not really, in absolute number that is true. But, not in relative numbers. Exterminations and attempts at exterminations continue to this day. To call Africans peaceful because they don't have bombs, or fighters jet is just silly.
Moving the goalposts
Relative to what? Their ability to kill? Are you saying white people in all the wars they started didn't kill their perceived enemy to the fullest extent they could.
What do you base that conclusion on? And wouldn't that be proof that whites are stupid, since they arbitrarily hold back fighting capability in wars they start?
Why did the white man pay Kony to kidnap children into a millitant pseudo-Christian cult and slaugther villages. Can you do a material analysis for me, oh great dialectician?
I have no idea about that case in particular. I just know all the rare earth minerals is going into the hands of white people, and all those weapons those warlords have were made by white people.
Oh, you're an actually conspiracy retard.
Mountains of evidence of coups and funding and arming insurgents
Conspiracies
i'll just talk to the other guy now. you are not interested in the truth, or you are genuinely too stupid to understand it.
Yes, know history doesn't measure how well you can comprehend new ideas and information.
Like I said is intelligence genetic or not. If it is genetic, does a child's DNA change once they are able to read?!

David Green
David Green

Not really, in absolute number that is true. But, not in relative numbers. Exterminations and attempts at exterminations continue to this day. To call Africans peaceful because they don't have bombs, or fighters jet is just silly.
How does the fact that black people in Africa can't kill as many people as whites make white's less violent.
Do whites not posses the intelligence to comprehend BETTER WEAPON = MORE DEAD.
I mean you'd think someone smart enough to build a tank, would also be smart enough to comprehend that they have to be a lot more mindful with it's destructive potential……wait a minute….did white people know that all along and still did it anyway. Holy crap that makes them even more violent than black people.

Zachary Sanders
Zachary Sanders

can confirm as a teenager, i was certainly asked questions about history and civics.
what i can gather about this is that the scoring is very, very arbitrary, because by all reasonable judgements i'm a fucking idiot yet my Autism Level is average range. they couldn't say i was retarded because that would contradict uneven development of math and reading skills at an early age.

Nicholas Martinez
Nicholas Martinez

It is like a religion. You could get rid of the pseudoscience they use to justify it as an afterthought, and see that there's always going to be an esoteric reason they are what they are.

Eli Rogers
Eli Rogers

maybe they were testing your ability to read letters lol
do you all have evidence that a significant portion of these studies did this? the ideal goal of Autism Level testing is minimize the importance of an educational background as much as possible, but i haven't encountered any specific studies that deal with this issue.
it absolutely flips the other way. people on college campuses have not protested the discussion of these topics because they all had a well formed position on the issue. it was not compatible with their ideology and it felt wrong to them.

Brandon Perez
Brandon Perez

The problem is that you have pseuds who like to jump to conclusions, when theories of mind and cognition are still in a really nascent phase, when compared to other sciences. Read any neoropsych or sensation and perception textbook, and they will even admit that must of what their conclusions are tentative, and will probably be dated in 10-20 years

Aaron Rivera
Aaron Rivera

Why have people on college campuses who are pseudo? I'd protest too

Zachary Murphy
Zachary Murphy

do you all have evidence that a significant portion of these studies did this?
The fact that the tests aren't standardized and questions about history are considered legitimate gauges of intelligence should be enough to prove Autism Level tests are bullshit.
the ideal goal of Autism Level testing is minimize the importance of an educational background as much as possible,
Hahaha no, it actually the opposite. It originated as a test to newly commissioned officers. It's always been a measure of rote memorization of propaganda.

James Mitchell
James Mitchell

maybe they were testing your ability to read letters lol
How does getting an answer about history wrong prove how well you are at reading. You could perfectly comprehend the question, but just straight up not know the history it's quizzing about.

Tyler Edwards
Tyler Edwards

maybe they were testing your ability to read letters lol
Maybe. And my speed to classify shapes. And finding patterns within lists. And my ability to solve mathematical problems. And if i could identify notable historical figures. Lots of stuff actually.

Henry Torres
Henry Torres

you claim that people who support these ideas do it because it justifies their preconceived notions on race and Autism Level. this is clearly the case in the opposite direction. either way, you're not really engaging with the question at hand, so let's just argue about the specifics.
you all didn't read the post. i'm not surprised. that person said they had a vision test, not an Autism Level test. give me a detailed study on the questions used in Autism Level testing that proves they used questions on history, civics, etc in a significant portion of these race/IQ studies.

Caleb Diaz
Caleb Diaz

when you say "stunting a populations intellectual development" are you implying that such a process results in permanent or temporary effects (not including really slow evolution) on a population's intelligence?
You can't really call it permanent (in regards to the population as a whole) when the evidence shows that development is occuring/can occur. If we are talking purely about genetic heritability, then improved conditions do coincide with higher inherited Autism Level as people are no longer subject to low quality conditions and resources that allow for "negative" selections, births which result in low body weight and extreme malnourishment (which has a permanent effect of your DNA), and deleterious mutations. Better conditions allow for greater amounts of outliers to survive, which then can further assist in development. Unfortunately, this is held back once again by brain drain and the like. This focus on race is missing the point on the actual issue in my opinion and it's one I've talked about in the past, that is of the "intellectual" portion of a population who have both the potential and capacity flocking to first-world countries from third-world ones, perpetuating a circumstance in which there is an "intellectual first-world" and an "intelllectually backwards third-world". We can have discussions about the relatively minor point differences between populations in the US, but when all the higher Autism Level people who have the means to leave flock to the west, that creates a disparity that further handicaps the third-world. I don't blame those who leave, my issue is of course with the system which creates such conditions and incentivizes things such as imperialism which causes flocking, but the issue isn't the intellectual differences between populations in first-world countries and never really was. If anything, those are inconsequential to the discussion of Autism Level.
some of the studies often used to support my position control for socioeconomic factors, and so this would seem to go against either claim.
Not usually, no. You can eliminate Autism Level traps, but that doesn't remove the generational effect of them or the people cultivated in said traps.

Leo Peterson
Leo Peterson

i'm not surprised. that person said they had a vision test, not an Autism Level test
eye queue = vision test
lol
give me a detailed study on the questions used in Autism Level testing that proves they used questions on history, civics, etc in a significant portion of these race/IQ studies.
Nigga, that's shit you should be producing. Autism Level tests aren't standardized, they're not officiated from a single entity, and all the rational behind them is contentious at best. Here's a civics question from an Autism Level test.
Why does the state require people to get a license in order to get married?
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wilderdom.com/personality/intelligenceAustralianAmericanTest.html

Thomas Gutierrez
Thomas Gutierrez

Here are a bunch of bullshit history, civic and even pop culture questions on an Autism Level test that supposedly measure intelligence.
The Chitling Intelligence Test
Dove, A. The "Chitling" Test. From Lewis R. Aiken, Jr. (1971). Psychological and educational testings. Boston: Allyn and Bacon.

A "handkerchief head" is:

(a) a cool cat, (b) a porter, (c) an Uncle Tom, (d) a hoddi, (e) a preacher.

Which word is most out of place here?

(a) splib, (b) blood, (c) gray, (d) spook, (e) black.

A "gas head" is a person who has a:

(a) fast-moving car, (b) stable of "lace," (c) "process," (d) habit of stealing cars, (e) long jail record for arson.

"Bo Diddley" is a:

(a) game for children, (b) down-home cheap wine, (c) down-home singer, (d) new dance, (e) Moejoe call.

"Hully Gully" came from:

(a) East Oakland, (b) Fillmore, (c) Watts, (d) Harlem, (e) Motor City.

Cheap chitlings (not the kind you purchase at a frozen food counter) will taste rubbery unless they are cooked long enough. How soon can you quit cooking them to eat and enjoy them?

(a) 45 minutes, (b) 2 hours, (c) 24 hours, (d) 1 week (on a low flame), (e) 1 hour.

What are the "Dixie Hummingbirds?"

(a) part of the KKK, (b) a swamp disease, (c) a modern gospel group, (d) a Mississippi Negro paramilitary group, (e) Deacons.

If you throw the dice and 7 is showing on the top, what is facing down?

(a) 7, (b) snake eyes, (c) boxcars, (d) little Joes, (e) 11.

"Jet" is:

(a) an East Oakland motorcycle club, (b) one of the gangs in "West Side Story," (c) a news and gossip magazine, (d) a way of life for the very rich.

T-Bone Walker got famous for playing what?

(a) trombone, (b) piano, (c) "T-flute," (d) guitar, (e) "hambone."

"Bird" or "Yardbird" was the "jacket" that jazz lovers from coast to coast hung on:

(a) Lester Young, (b) Peggy Lee, (c) Benny Goodman, (d) Charlie Parker, (e) "Birdman of Alcatraz."

Hattie Mae Johnson is on the County. She has four children and her husband is now in jail for non-support, as he was unemployed and was not able to give her any money. Her welfare check is now $286 per month. Last night she went out with the highest player in town. If she got pregnant, then nine months from now how much more will her welfare check be?

(a) $80, (b) $2, (c) $35, (d) $150, (e) $100.

"Money don't get everything it's true ."

(a) but I don't have none and I'm so blue, (b) but what it don't get I can't use, (c) so make do with what you've got, (d) but I don't know that and neither do you.

How much does a short dog cost?

(a) $0.15, (b) $2.00, (c) $0.35, (d) $0.05, (e) $0.86 plus tax.

Many people say that "Juneteenth" (June 19) should be made a legal holiday because this was the day when:

(a) the slaves were freed in the USA, (b) the slaves were freed in Texas, (c) the slaves were freed in Jamaica, (d) the slaves were freed in California, (e) Martin Luther King was born, (f) Booker T. Washington died.

wilderdom.com/personality/intelligenceChitlingTestShort.html

Brody Jenkins
Brody Jenkins

this isn't an Autism Level test. this was a test devised to test of how much a cultural gap there was between in blacks and whites especially when it came to slang and figures of speech.

Leo Moore
Leo Moore

uh, no? intelligence testing isn't intended to be "neutral" when it comes to using the tests for practical purposes. the reason most of us take an intelligence test is to determine our placement in the school system, and whether we're going to be allowed into the college-bound track or not. that's it, that's literally the point of intelligence testing, and why we're making a big deal about the difference between 90 and 110 Autism Level.
i don't think you could even make a reasonable judgement of someone's intelligence with pattern recognition or whatever "neutral" test you can imagine. the actual tests you take to determine school placement (and thus social placement in general) aren't going to care about being fair or sentimental. they care about getting their judgement right, and making sure the system is reinforced.
for what it's worth i don't think that historical or civic questions are bullshit for measuring something like general intelligence, but that gets into being able to define what general intelligence is supposed to be. it wouldn't make sense to take some hunter-gatherer African and expect him/her to understand the Lockean take on natural rights, but it would make sense to use that to test the intelligence of someone who was socialized from a young age in industrial American society. it isn't necessarily a matter of testing for the "right" formulation, but to test the subject's ability to express their understanding of American civics at all (not that there's much civics left in America, thanks to how much this country has gone down the toilet).

but to answer your question, no, i don't have a thorough source on how the school system, the military, and institutions in general administer their intelligence testing and sortition, and i doubt you're going to find one. i did compare notes with others who did take intelligence tests, most of them from backgrounds similar to myself but some from the regular college-bound track. it's not a great body of data and i wouldn't dare use it to definitively prove a point, but your argument that Autism Level tests only involve spatial recognition tests is ludicrous to anyone familiar with the education system. i dunno though, usually these white nationalist types come from pampered petit booj backgrounds where they're able to ignore the sortition, and they get told by their family, friends, and the media that they're special when they're really just thoroughly unremarkable people.
seriously, when I see you Nazis talk about intelligence and its relevance, i laugh because it has basically no relevance to the actual use of intelligence testing, and the doors that are opened to those who test well (and more often, the doors slammed shut forever if you fail). you're harping on a number when you can't even explain the methodology of the test, and you need to resort to cheap "debate" tactics to uphold your argument. others in this thread have already adequately debunked those lines of argument, but we all know you're going to be back with the same stupid shit.

Ethan Gutierrez
Ethan Gutierrez

but that doesn't remove the generational effect of them or the people cultivated in said traps.
I would like to clarify here that I am not calling for the elimination of those cultivated in generational Autism Level traps. I hope my other posts already provided my solution to the problem and its relation to me being a communist.

Blake Lee
Blake Lee

if sub-saharan africa were to magically be given an infrastructure, economy, a peaceful international order and so on overnight that they had to knowledge and training to operate (or that even just operated on its own), do you think that they would achieve steady improvements to cognition until they caught up to the developed world? unless i've mistaken you, they would not. there is thus a sizable relationship between genetic heritability of intelligence and whatever term you want to use to describe these different populations. the implications and interpretation of this does not feel relevant in this discussion.

the question wasn't if Autism Level tests like this exist, but if they have historically been used in these studies for people in different cultures. if they have (which you have yet to prove), then why the hell have east asians scored higher on them in the same studies? do they know how much a short dog costs?

some of you all are reallllllllllly unconvincing to be so smug

Landon Lopez
Landon Lopez

lol no, it was an earnest attempt at gauging black people's intelligence. The fact that it has cultural and history questions proves these types of questions are acceptable on Autism Level tests.

Joseph Russell
Joseph Russell

it was an attempt to disprove the validity of Autism Level tests by showing blacks can outscore whites in certain contexts but it failed because it wasn't a g loaded Autism Level test it was simply a test of jargon and slang particular to blacks

why don't you do some light reading on what g is and how Autism Level tests are devised and get back to us mmm k

Tyler Edwards
Tyler Edwards

the question wasn't if Autism Level tests like this exist, but if they have historically been used in these studies for people in different cultures.
There's plenty of proof they have.
wilderdom.com/personality/intelligenceCulturalBias.html
The fact that these farcical test could be produced at all under the rigorous science behind Autism Level testing shows how bullshit Autism Level is.
if they have (which you have yet to prove),
If have yet to prove that Autism Level tests administration has been consistent throughout it's life. The burden of proof is on you to show that your methodology has been consistent.
The fact that people can find these tests at all should give you pause, but your a disingenuous Nazi so I didn't expect that.
then why the hell have east asians scored higher on them in the same studies?
And? The question is how does knowing trivial knowledge show you're smart. Especially since you can learn trivia.
some of you all are reallllllllllly unconvincing to be so smug
You are reeallllllly projecting your insecurities here.
it was an attempt to disprove the validity of Autism Level tests by showing blacks can outscore whites in certain contexts but it failed because it wasn't a g loaded Autism Level test it was simply a test of jargon and slang particular to blacks
Regardless it was an Autism Level test, that attempted to measure intelligence. It has cultural and trivial questions on it, showing that those type of questions are considered legitimate.
There's plenty of other examples of these types of questions on Autism Level tests.
why don't you do some light reading on what g is and how Autism Level tests are devised and get back to us mmm k
Why don't you prove Autism Level tests measure intelligence, a supposedly inalienable trait, even though Autism Level test scores can change dramatically if the student simply studies mmmmmm kay…

Evan Morgan
Evan Morgan

you are retarded and interacting with retarded people makes me angry so I'm just going to leave this thread now

Adrian Jackson
Adrian Jackson

Hey, answer my question!
Is intelligence an inalienable trait or not! Is intelligence due to genetics or not! If it is how the fuck is someone getting smarter by simply reading? Is their DNA changing as they gain more knowledge?

Matthew Lewis
Matthew Lewis

if sub-saharan africa were to magically be given an infrastructure, economy, a peaceful international order and so on overnight that they had to knowledge and training to operate (or that even just operated on its own), do you think that they would achieve steady improvements to cognition until they caught up to the developed world?
In a single generation? No. Over an extended period of time and over multiple generations? Well, yes. Or at least up to the point of cognition being somewhat near the average of the developed world. There might be minor differences even just by geographical living conditions, and Engels himself even said as much in some of his letters. But to say that cognitive ability would never change or experience an upward trend or that sub-saharan Africans are in a "permanent state" of stunted intellectual development would be dishonest.

Thomas Taylor
Thomas Taylor

there is thus a sizable relationship between genetic heritability of intelligence
this is sadly only average on the scale of race realist goofiness. come on, you're not even trying, and you're going out of your way to jump to a preferred conclusion. i'll leave it to you to realize the gaping holes in your argument, but i doubt you're ever going to own up to them, and it's a waste of my time to pretend you have any intellectual integrity on this matter.

see, this is the crux of the problem though. we take hereditary intelligence to be a given, but we don't have a plausible explanation of why this gene or that has such and such effect, or really good models for human cognition or neurological activity. the very likely reality is that human intellect is nowhere near as removed from animal intellect as we'd like to believe, but if you admit that then it becomes obvious this whole social hierarchy based on supposed merit falls apart. the people who make intelligence tests into this big thing obviously don't want that, and again it's not just a thing with racists but with the mainstream of society, because a whole lot of peoples' sense of themselves is based on this falsehood humanity has constructed over the millennia for themselves. humans just aren't terribly bright, at all, even the best of them are still fucking idiots.

Ryan Turner
Ryan Turner

i don't think you could even make a reasonable judgement of someone's intelligence with pattern recognition or whatever "neutral" test you can imagine.
so you believe that differences in cognition exist, but that there is not an approximate way of measuring it? it's not even conceivable? so we could not conclusively prove that there are intellectual differences between a group of well-off people that tried yet underperformed in school and a group of surgeons?

wilderdom.com/personality/intelligenceCulturalBias.html
this does nothing to support your point. the existence of culturally loaded questions on this test remains an exception, not the rule, until you've proven otherwise.
And? The question is how does knowing trivial knowledge show you're smart. Especially since you can learn trivia.
east asians wouldn't know culturally unfamiliar trivia any more than other groups taking the test, especially enough to justify their extreme over-performance when compared to some other groups. there is nothing about an east asian culture which gives them an extreme predisposition towards learning factoids. EVEN IF these Autism Level tests had these stupid questions, there is no explanation about why a group like east asians would over-perform when compared to africans.
are you the person that puts words they think are important in bold? i decided to stop replying to that person awhile ago because they were literally impenetrable.
also i think it's very silly to call anyone who thinks race and intelligence are related a nazi.

Tyler Anderson
Tyler Anderson

the point i'm making is that any intelligence test worth its salt isn't going to be "neutral" in the way you're trying to imply. you could get close, but it's impossible to seperate general intelligence from awareness of language and the norms of the society we live in. any test worthwhile is going to ask questions to test writing composition, knowledge of the social system in which the subject lives, etc. now, i didn't read the studies so i don't know the methodologies of the tests used for those studies, but if those Autism Level tests were done properly, they're not going to be some standardized pattern recognition test like you'd take on the internet, or whatever it is you're thinking of. so it's definitely a fair question to talk about environmental factors, the economic decay of many African countries (and do bear in mind that there is quite wide variation between parts of Africa both in Autism Level scores and in wealth development), etc.

also, medicine and biology is such an ideological field that i don't even think great intelligence is required to be a doctor. seriously, i've dealt with doctors who are some of the laziest and most incompetent people i've had the displeasure of dealing with. if you can memorize a lot of biological factoids and do well enough on tests for medical school, a good number of people can be doctors, or surgeons, or medical technicians. maybe not everyone, but the reason for high standards in medical school isn't because the job is literally impossible for non-geniuses, but because of fierce competition for limited medical school slots and residencies, etc.

Aiden Foster
Aiden Foster

I.Q matters because of its high g loading and questions that are highly cultural have low g loading by definition.

Jonathan Campbell
Jonathan Campbell

Like I said is intelligence genetic or not. If it is genetic, does a child's DNA change once th
The absolute state of leftypol

Xavier Nguyen
Xavier Nguyen

Dafaq is high g loading. Anyways, if intelligence is just memorizing bullshit, then you're an idiot.
storm cuck tears.

Colton Phillips
Colton Phillips

C O P E

Chase Perez
Chase Perez

How does the fact that black people in Africa can't kill as many people as whites make white's less violent.
It makes them more violent because intent matters and ability matters. Intent is the reason we differentiate between manslaughter and murder. Ability is a cornerstone in your own definition of racism as power + privilege. What do you think the Rwanda genocide would be like if the Hutsi had guns rather than machetes? In single day the Hutsi slaughtered 500'000 - 1'000'000 Tutsi.

I mean you'd think someone smart enough to build a tank, would also be smart enough to comprehend that they have to be a lot more mindful with it's destructive potential……wait a minute….did white people know that all along and still did it anyway. Holy crap that makes them even more violent than black people.
They would also be mindful of the fact that their opposition had tanks, and cpould sustain total war and were willing to do so. You have to remember that it was the allies that escalated, started the war, and refused peace negotiations. If you want to use WW2 military logic to judge a race, it would be far more accurate to use it to judge the progressive and marxist moral intuitions as unrelenting evil. You glib responses are just dumb and obviously disingenuous

Chase Bailey
Chase Bailey

Relative to what? Their ability to kill? Are you saying white people in all the wars they started didn't kill their perceived enemy to the fullest extent they could. What do you base that conclusion on?
Yes, that is what differentiates a normal person from a sociopath.

And wouldn't that be proof that whites are stupid, since they arbitrarily hold back fighting capability in wars they start?
You may sheathe your katana, your neckbeard is impressive enough as it is

Luke Allen
Luke Allen

and you're not getting it, because you're going off of some autistic notion of what intelligence testing is and what its practical effects are. the whole purpose of the intelligence test is to sort out who will be allowed to advance to higher education, who is sent to the front lines as cannon fodder, and who is relegated to life-unworthy-of-life. you know this, your ideology accepts this explicitly, so why you are incapable of understanding the real relevance of Autism Level testing is beyond me, except that you are being deliberately dishonest (as usual). the major relevance of the Autism Level test is that we, as a society, make sure that it matters, more than the actual virtue the test is supposed to measure. no school system is going to promote a "neutral" test because they feel like being fair; they're interested in the best practical method of sortition for their purposes of social control and disciplining the labor force, and making sure everyone stays in their assigned track once sorted. the judgements of intelligence imply something like this kind of social ordering, even when it is not something that can be enforced by institutions. it is something that is tied up in how people view themselves and their relation to others.

now, if you're interested in how neurology and any biological factors relate to general intelligence, you're going to need a decent model of what the brain actually does, and how cognition actually works, and we don't have that (and probably never will, because any honest assessment would question the basis of the meritocracy the scientists doing the research depend on, and question the very philosophy necessary to conduct science as we know it). if you're talking about hereditary intelligence, you really should have some conception of why this gene or that gene does this, or does that. we should be doing this with any mental condition, but again, not going to happen for obvious reasons. the people who are quick to jump to conclusions about this person or that being retarded or insane don't care about the proof, or what goes on in the brain, or even so much about the exhibited behavior. they just have an ideological and political objective in mind and seek the first path which confirms what the feel is correct. this process is especially apparent in the degenerate sections of the right wing, who want to shout like autists about black people out of some belief that kicking down black people will improve their lot. why the stormniggers go along with this when it's obvious they're just going to be kicked from those above them is something i've never been able to understand. then again, stormniggers aren't people, even by the low standards of humanity. they're animals and they respond to instinct, and take pride in their stupidity.

Joshua Scott
Joshua Scott

Mountains of evidence of coups and funding and arming insurgents
lol

Daniel Adams
Daniel Adams

For any of this shit to be even slightly relevant, the /pol/yp would have to show that not only are blacks dumber than whites in general, but they're dumber to such an extent that their living in a developed nation as functioning citizens is impossible.
You are getting close to the target. As a European nationalist, I.Q. isn't of profound importance to me. If Africans were smarter, more organized and less violent than Europeans, I would still oppose Africans being allowed to colonize our nations, perhaps even more so.

The lie of cognitive uniformity is merely rhetorical sugar used to help the poison pill of racial extinction go down easier. The fact is that there is no impetus for us to integrate with any racially alien populations or allow them to colonize our nations, regardless of their cognitive abilities or lack thereof. Biologically realist ideas make this genocide against us more difficult for our foreign elites to implement, therefore they have simply proscribed this entire field of science. The science itself is indifferent on whether creating a globalized mongrel goy slave race is in itself an objectively desirable goal.

Nolan Stewart
Nolan Stewart

2893390
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Evan Murphy
Evan Murphy

First of all my only two posts so far are >2393290 & >2893291
the whole purpose of the intelligence test is to sort out who will be allowed to advance to higher education, who is sent to the front lines as cannon fodder, and who is relegated to life-unworthy-of-life.
I wish that was the case, but for the most part explicit intelligence tests are never used to justify any of this. Schools dont force people to take I.Q tests even tho they could and still force kids into obedience.

Your second paragraph is just one big clusterfuck of "find the gene" and projection. Listen buddy we dont have to construct a detailed explaination of the brain in order to come up with hereditary reasoning. The reasoning is actually rather simple:
humans evolved in diffrent environments -> populations face diffrent selection pressures -> populations are, on average, diffrent in all heritable traits. This includes intelligence
We already accept that selection pressures influenced the immunite syste, skin color, eye color, height, facial structure, bone structure, and so on. How delusional do you have to be intelligence isnt selected for, or equally selected for across the entire continent? Also, if one actually had to find the gene and all that crap we couldn't even differentiate between environmentality or heritablity. We couldn't make any fucking statement whatsoever about any and all traits since the degree to which its heritable could be between 0 < x < 100.

Oliver Hughes
Oliver Hughes

What do you mean by racial extinction exactly?
Do you assume that brown people will start put you in camp once they'll count for above 50% of the population?
Because that can't be something as retarded as White thots not fucking you right?

Josiah Cook
Josiah Cook

Listen buddy we dont have to construct a detailed explaination of the brain in order to come up with hereditary reasoning.
You absolutely do when your claim is based on the workings of the brain. Without that your shit is just a logic leap from "people who look a certain way often behave a certain way" to "people's behavior is determined by the race genes, whatever they are."

James Bennett
James Bennett

this is clearly the case in the opposite direction.
People protesting because colleges waste the money they gave them on inviting pseudos to come speak is a pretty big difference. It's the equivalent of having anti-vaxers on campus.
hur not engaging
You're the one not telling me why I would want pseuds at my campus

Lucas Bell
Lucas Bell

okay then, describe the neurological differences that account for intelligence differences, and why they matter. shit, come up with a definition of intelligence besides "durrr it's what makes us smrter than niggers!" you've already made up a post-hoc justification for social rank in your head, rather than any meaningful statement about general intelligence.

if you're basing your measures of intelligence off a "neutral" test, you're using a bullshit measure that doesn't even mean anything.

i can confirm that schools will test for intelligence in many cases. if you want to be in the gifted programs, you will be tested, without a doubt. that is what allows a child to qualify for advanced placement and all the gibs given to the intelligent. they're not going to waste resources on kids they think are worthless. you have no fucking idea how reality works because you spend your time posting in your retard box with fellow retards.

finally, if you can demonstrate that "intelligence is hereditary, hurr durr", how do you account for development effects from the environment, brain damage, etc? human beings do not grow up in isolation, retard.

Tyler Martinez
Tyler Martinez

Nope, but if you actually believe in this argument you just spouted then i can now say: "You absolutely have to explain the workings of the brain if you want to claim the environment has any impact on populations. Otherwise there could hypothetically exist a genome sequence that answers 100% of the variation."

Aiden Nguyen
Aiden Nguyen

if you're trying to make a qualified claim about hereditary intelligence, you have to say something substantial about the observable physical differences in the brain, or observable differences in cognition. you're just putting your fingers in your head and saying "LALALA NIGGERS NUMB" without a plausible explanation for why black people are dumb (never mind that statements like "niggers are all 70 Autism Level" are so far removed from basic reality that it tells that you're stuck in your mom's basement, and mommy told you to blame the niggers and kikes rather than engage in any meaningful criticism of society).
you're stuck trying to defend a claim about 5-10 average Autism Level point differences in large populations, and needing to pin all of that on MUH GENES rather than any possible environmental causes, social causes, etc. additionally, you're assuming general intelligence is something in the brain that remains a constant throughout life, rather than an abstraction we've developed to judge someone's functioning capacity at a given time that is necessarily a matter of brain development not being interrupted. again, human beings are not all autistic (like you).

Easton Bell
Easton Bell

That work is actually being done tho.

Dylan Baker
Dylan Baker

if you're trying to make a qualified claim about hereditary intelligence, you have to say something substantial about the observable physical differences in the brain, or observable differences in cognition. you're just putting your fingers in your head and saying "LALALA NIGGERS NUMB" without a plausible explanation for why black people are dumb (never mind that statements like "niggers are all 70 Autism Level" are so far removed from basic reality that it tells that you're stuck in your mom's basement, and mommy told you to blame the niggers and kikes rather than engage in any meaningful criticism of society).

except in all real world cases blacks are the least intelligence out of all demographics. Rivaled only by the Australian abo

you're stuck trying to defend a claim about 5-10 average Autism Level point differences in large populations,
its more like 20-30

and needing to pin all of that on MUH GENES rather than any possible environmental causes, social causes, etc.
do genes not effect social interactions as well?
saying muh is not an argument

additionally, you're assuming general intelligence is something in the brain that remains a constant throughout life, rather than an abstraction we've developed to judge someone's functioning capacity at a given time that is necessarily a matter of brain development not being interrupted. again, human beings are not all autistic (like you).
This is also incorrect.
No one is citing a child's lQ test results

Lucas Nelson
Lucas Nelson

I dont even get why you ask me half of those questions. If you want some hyperdetailed explaination of neurological diffrences read who knows what literature. In a few months you will be able to say gene 19fnwal2-ab acounts for .2% of the variance in a trait similar to intelligence, or maybe not, but then what? Did you suddendly disprove divergent evolution in humans? No, so fuck off already with that shit. My definition of intelligence is similar to those you find in any dictionary, and i never said general intelligence is 100% heritable.

Its already enough to know average populations dont have the same genomes to say the diffrence in intelligence between those populations is to some extend heritable.

But since you are a fan of stupid question riddle me this faggot: Is the reason we have no bird scientist, that 100% of birds do not go to school?

Yeah, you are a real big guy screeching at all those strawmen. The average black in the first world has an I.Q of 75. There are hypotheses as to why that is (cold winter theory or guns germs and steel or whatever the fuck you want to construct), but those explainations are ultimately meaningless because we know those I.Q diffrences exist. Also i dont pin it all to MUH genes, just about 50 to 80%. So you can enjoy your idea of worldwide black oppression to 20% like the rest of us nazis!

Daniel Murphy
Daniel Murphy

Dice rollRolled 1, 2, 2, 5, 5, 1, 2, 1 = 19 (8d5)

meant to say average I.Q of 85

Xavier Murphy
Xavier Murphy

except in all real world cases blacks are the least intelligence out of all demographics. Rivaled only by the Australian abo
They also end up being the poorest, tho.

its more like 20-30
if we're going with the most liberal estimate, maybe. Low validity would probably say otherwise.

Parker Clark
Parker Clark

except in all real world cases blacks are the least intelligence out of all demographics.

so you have this data. your job then is to explore all possible reasons why this is so, which can include heredity but also all environmental and socioeconomic factors that would contribute to the gap. you have failed to do that. you've only engaged in this autistic fit about how niggers are dumb and that therefore justifies whatever ideology you claim to believe in. you're not interested in honesty or realism of any sort. you're just engaging in pure ideology and faggotry.

No one is citing a child's lQ test results
i am talking about how intelligence tests are actually used by administrations, and the quite substantial benefits given out to gifted students to elevate them above the rest of the scum in the system. the point is that for most purposes, perceived intelligence becomes a self-perpetuating cycle that is deliberately encouraged in industrial, technological society once conscription becomes universal and education must become more or less universal. so much is tied up ideologically in this thing, intelligence, which isn't anywhere near as important as you and society in general makes it out to be. a petty distinction becomes a great chasm. that the schooling system does its damndest to beat children into compliance and destroy their will makes this instinct even stronger, until we're at this point where we are today.

wow, so much faggotry, so much delusion. you actually believe in this shit like a religion, don't you?
i find it hilarious that you can determine (for no really coherent reason) that "50-80% of the difference is genetic!" what is your reasoning?
also an average intelligence quotient of 75 would mean that either the vast majority of black people are barely educable, or that rates of severe retardation among the black population are very high to offset the black people of roughly average functionality (which, considering the military basically won't recruit people who are learning disabled, would make the recruitment of black soldiers problematic unless the Army is lying their pants off to get some niggers in their ranks).

btw, quite frankly i'm not terribly invested in the truth of whether black people are stupider than whites, because i don't base my ideology on this notion of intelligence in the first place. if that is the case, so be it. it's quite clear, though, that you're not even trying to make a meaningful statement about general intelligence or its heritability. you're just screeching about some white pride shit, and i definitely believe this sort of shit is encouraged by mothers who baby their NEET failsons or suffer from their own derangement.

Luke Ramirez
Luke Ramirez

except in all real world cases blacks are the least intelligence out of all demographics.
You haven’t produced a definition of “white” yet that is biologically scientific. Some of you say haplogroups, others say heritage which geneticists themselves say is not race. And other laughable cite culture which isn’t biological.
And then you don’t prove why Autism Level should be a measure of intelligence when it contains ducking trivia questions. But even the math and spacial tests are bullshit since those are all learned behaviors.
Long story short you a stupid fuck up desperately trying prove a predetermined hypnosis.

Ethan Ramirez
Ethan Ramirez

They also end up being the poorest, tho.
Yes people who are stupid typically fail at things.

Jackson Evans
Jackson Evans

We already accept that selection pressures influenced the immunite syste, skin color, eye color, height, facial structure, bone structure, and so on.
Not every trait evolve at the same rate, if only because the number of genes involved is greatly variable from one trait to another.

I found what i was looking for! Richard Lynn apprently surveyed the average I Q of 185 countries wheen statistics exist for only 81…
nature.com/articles/6800418

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Gavin Barnes
Gavin Barnes

so you have this data. your job then is to explore all possible reasons why this is so, which can include heredity but also all environmental and socioeconomic factors that would contribute to the gap.
The material conditions in Africa led to the environment naturally selections for physical ability such as sprinting over intelligence

you have failed to do that.
no i haven't I just did idiot.

you've only engaged in this autistic fit about how niggers are dumb and that therefore justifies whatever ideology you claim to believe in.
no I took a materialist analysis of the conditions in africa. You are having an austic reaction because real world intelligence doesn't fit your equality narrative.

you're not interested in honesty or realism of any sort. you're just engaging in pure ideology and faggotry.
no this one is you

Nathaniel Peterson
Nathaniel Peterson

Are they failing at things because they are stupid, or did poverty help make them stupid?
Also, we're just assuming that they've "failed" without giving credence to the fact that capitalism itself makes it so their has to be an underclass. It relies on poverty.

Josiah Perry
Josiah Perry

Are they failing at things because they are stupid, or did poverty help make them stupid?
They failed because of their lack of intelligence

Also, we're just assuming that they've "failed" without giving credence to the fact that capitalism itself makes it so their has to be an underclass. It relies on poverty.
ok the are the underclass of capitalism because their lack of intelligence.

They succeeded in being underlings if thats what you want to hear

Kevin Richardson
Kevin Richardson

So poor white people are stupid? You know how poor Tzarist Russia was, how about even current day Poland. Doesn’t this prove white people are stupid and it’s their genes?
Aren’t Jews disproportionately represented in stations of power? If capitalism is a perfect meritocracy then doesn’t that mean Jews are the real ubermench?

Sebastian Perry
Sebastian Perry

So poor white people are stupid?
compared to rich whites? probably

You know how poor Tzarist Russia was, how about even current day Poland.
Compared to the nordic countries? probably

Doesn’t this prove white people are stupid and it’s their genes?
in relative terms to other whites, possibly

Aren’t Jews disproportionately represented in stations of power?
yes
If capitalism is a perfect meritocracy then doesn’t that mean Jews are the real ubermench?
but capitalism isn't a perfect meritocracy.

Brandon Bell
Brandon Bell

They failed because of their lack of intelligence
Yeah, you can't prove this beyond reasonable doubt.

ok the are the underclass of capitalism because their lack of intelligence.
That assumes you have to be smart to be rich, which when we have dynasties of people.
This intelligence thing just seems to be divine right of kings for a new age.
Actually, it has some ties to utopian liberal notions of the enlightened rich.
It's funny how fascist are like hyper liberals aggressively chasing their own tail sometimes.

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3362363/Poverty-lower-IQ-depends-live-Americans-suffer-effects-Europeans.html

They failed because of their lack of intelligence
In this Egg or Chick argument, here is some food for thought.

Jordan Bell
Jordan Bell

Meant for

Connor Phillips
Connor Phillips

Yeah, you can't prove this beyond reasonable doubt.
Might not, but you cannot prove the inverse. However we can look at sub Saharan Africa. They hardly advanced technologically indicating a lack of intelligence rather than just being the lower class

That assumes you have to be smart to be rich,
generally yes.

which when we have dynasties of people.
would rich people not educate their children?

This intelligence thing just seems to be divine right of kings for a new age.
only to you i guess.

Actually, it has some ties to utopian liberal notions of the enlightened rich.
source?

It's funny how fascist are like hyper liberals aggressively chasing their own tail sometimes.
you're a hyper liberal

Brandon Murphy
Brandon Murphy

daily mail

oh please

Ryan Bell
Ryan Bell

you actually believe that sprinting and physical prowess is antithetical to intelligence? that's some goofy reasoning. i mean, wow, you're not even consistent with the eugenics / master race narrative.

i mean, you or some other nigger in this thread cited the daily mail, so there's your thinking level. it's like, you guys aren't even trying any more. if you're the master race, you should be able to win this argument, and engage with the source material in OP which debunks your claims without having to scream about Jews trying to kill the white race or some conspiracy. others have engaged with your side of the argument, the information contained within, in good faith, and you have no response to that. i wasn't part of that conversation; my first contribution (and the only one i feel is worth a shit at all) was to explain why this religion surrounding intelligence and the mind is so prevalent. it's a fucking retarded ideology, and it's not confined to morons like you.

Gabriel Adams
Gabriel Adams

Im such a big white pride nationalist that my I.Q tests consistently show asians as the smartest race. Also the only reason you are so triggered over I.Q is because your precious blacks score the lowest. I dont feel the need to disprove I.Q data, because it has predictive valdity and blacks being the most retarded race, or asians being the smartest is irrelevant to me. You, and other shitlibs in this thread, on the other hand cant accept "materialist analysis" the second it gets unfair, faggot.

Elijah Bailey
Elijah Bailey

Alright, since the daily mail triggers you so much.
journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797615612727

Josiah Richardson
Josiah Richardson

you've failed spectacularly to actually substantiate your claim as to why differences in hereditary intelligence evolved, and you have still failed in actually describing what intelligence is and what its relevance is to political rights. your only argument is that i'm a niggerlover or something along those lines, because that's your stock insult when your bullshit is called out. i don't need to go much further because you've failed to make any coherent argument against OP's quite extensive data, and you're repeating the same shit ad nauseum. but, you've failed even at countering what i am trying to say about why this intelligence and heredity topic is so mystified in the first place.

the differences in the evolution of societies in sub-saharan africa and europe can be demonstrated through a quite large body of archeological, anthropological, and historical data that we have sifted through, which is a far better explanation for how africa diverged from the rest of the world than some essentialist notion of hereditary intelligence that you can't even adequately define except as a pretext to blame the problems of modern-day Africa on niggers being dumb (and ignoring every other thing that has happened on the continent, and is still happening to this day). it's not even an attempt at an explanation of modern africa or anything that exists; it's just an assertion of feels so you have an easy answer on the test when someone asks you "what are the material conditions of africa in 2019"? instead of getting into a long explanation, because africa is a really big and varied place, you just say "niggers!", and fellows in your echo chamber give you an A on the test.

Mason Davis
Mason Davis

you actually believe that sprinting and physical prowess is antithetical to intelligence?
I didn't say that.

Jose Perry
Jose Perry

Anyone who thinks whites are smarter than blacks never went to a Walmart.

Christopher Myers
Christopher Myers

Alright, since the daily mail triggers you so much.

this does not counter anything I said. in fact it can easily complement it

Caleb James
Caleb James

Denying racial differences in intelligence, physical aptitude, disease resistance, etc is the same as denying evolution.

Nolan James
Nolan James

Where have you seen beneficial mutations(like immunity to malaria,HIV, where genes gets broken and the receptors of the cell,bacteria prevent the disease from entering) create new genetic material? If not then evolution where one species turns into another one like whale into a cow is a lie if it can't be observed on a genetic/DNA level.

Jayden Perry
Jayden Perry

others have engaged with your side of the argument, the information contained within, in good faith
Yeah sure. Half this thread consists of redlibs screaming "u hate niggers", and the rest is splintered into wanting to "find the gene", "ask for a *scientific* neurologic explanation with impossible standarts", stupid cotcha questions like "you think intelligence is heritable, WELL WHAT ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL BRAIN DAMAGE", "race is a social construct", "more variation within that between", "what is g-loading(fucking lol)" and so on and so on for 2 weeks now. Years considering all the other shitty threads. Not to mention the trigger happy mods. Some /pol/ threads argue in better faith.
you've failed to make any coherent argument against OP's quite extensive data
Thats probably the most hilarious thing. A good chuck of the points from the pic in OP actually confirm my points. It is stated that I.Q differs by ethnic background, diffrent brainsize of races, that blacks score lower on I.Q, that being black is positivley correlated with all sorts of bad outcomes, etc. And we could go into more detail about hereditary implications of twin studies or why some of the aformention arguments are wrong (which was already explained anyway), but you fags cant stop insulting anyone who dares to disagree with your egalitarian worldview, as nigger hating nazi anyway.

Luke Jenkins
Luke Jenkins

So you're saying you don't believe in evolution because you don't think it can turn a whale into a cow, and so race doesn't real?

huh…

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Colton Gray
Colton Gray

Ah my bad i quoted the wrong person.

Dominic Edwards
Dominic Edwards

you literally said exactly that. i will quote, since you have a problem with reading comprehension.
"The material conditions in Africa led to the environment naturally selections for physical ability such as ""sprinting over intelligence"" "
also, you've failed to offer a credible theory of how intelligence would have evolved.
further, based on historical evidence, the og aryans didn't even hail from west europe or germany, nor were the native celts or germans and the descendants known for any great civilizational development until after the roman empire shit the bed. i know your go-to argument is going to be the old "agriculture in cold environments" one, but it's a really stupid one because the celts and germans didn't built "white civilization". the romans and greeks did, in a temperate climate and in contact with the trade network of the mediterranean / near east.

Adam Bell
Adam Bell

However we can look at sub Saharan Africa. They hardly advanced technologically indicating a lack of intelligence rather than just being the lower class
Explain to me how Saharan Africa works as a case study when accounting for all variables and material conditions.

would rich people not educate their children?
In how to maintain their wealth, probably. Not anymore than a king would instruct his children in how not to be deposed.

source?
James Madison.

no you
Embarrassing.

Cameron Baker
Cameron Baker

if I am too stupid to follow your reasoning then your argument is invalid

Christian Perry
Christian Perry

okay then, krautbrain, then why do you need to engage in this autistic bitchfit and deny environmental factors, socioeconomic factors, etc. have any significant impact? it's funny because you guys always whine about the jews poisoning the water and brainwashing the goys and making the frogs gay, so you're implicitly saying that environmental causes matter - until they don't, because you need a new narrative to ignore the shit you are doing / intend to do to other people.

if it's "impossible" for you to make a meaningful claim about genetically inherited intelligence and human cognition, it's because the whole fucking body of science HAS no adequate understanding to make the claims that you are trying to make, and if you really care about making this claim and putting niggers in their right place as slaves or whatever, you had better know what the hell you are talking about and do the work to actually understand human cognition and what intelligence is in the first place. since we all know you're not interested in anything other than a justification for bullshit, i don't expect this will ever happen, at least not from your court.

Jackson Perry
Jackson Perry

if I'm too stupid to make my point clearly and concisely and people have trouble understanding my ramblings then it's their fault
Read a book, faggot.

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Samuel Taylor
Samuel Taylor

As i said intelligence, and basically all other traits, are about 50 to 80% heritable (some personality traits cluster around 40% but since most peoples environment is not radically diffrent and changes based on their innate preferences i cap it at 50). I never spouted any narritave besides that. Also its not "impossible" for me to make meanigful claims about heritablity, i just cant point out one specific "intelligence gene" or some retarded shit like that.
it's because the whole fucking body of science HAS no adequate understanding to make the claims that you are trying to make
See i dont even know where to begin. Because its really fucking self evident that humans evolved in diffrent environments. If you ask specifically for the 50 to 80 % figure then i can show you twin studies for intelligence, or at the very fucking least a heritability of around 50% for basically everything.
and if you really care about making this claim and putting niggers in their right place as slaves or whatever
where in the actual fuck did i ever say anything that comes close to this?

William Smith
William Smith

It's pretty simple to parse what he was saying.
I don't get the confusion.

Andrew Long
Andrew Long

so you just repeat "50-80% heritable" because it's a phrase you read, without understanding what that is even supposed to mean. right.

Alexander Morris
Alexander Morris

So this is Zig Forums engaging arguments in good faith. Facinating

Dylan Harris
Dylan Harris

You have to remember that it was the allies that escalated, started the war, and refused peace negotiations
How can you expect people to believe everything else you say when you lie like this?

Leo Lopez
Leo Lopez

then i can now say: "You absolutely have to explain the workings of the brain if you want to claim the environment has any impact on populations
Just going to leave this here.

Adam Campbell
Adam Campbell

based on what i was able to google search (fuck me for having too much time to waste), the "50-80%" line doesn't come from any coherent analysis, but because you're regurgitating a line of "what experts say", when Autism Level was thought to be 50% inheritable in the mid 20th century and 80% inheritable today. i highly doubt you have put any thought into this beyond reciting a line to appear honest, while quite clearly implying a particular world-view about what to do with people judged inferior (that particular part is never even questioned). after all, to a rightist, numbers are arbitrary things to be cited in defense of whatever idea they conjure in their head. you've already demonstrated that you don't understand the methodology of Autism Level testing in any substantial way, which is why you or one of your friends brought up this concept of a "neutral" test which doesn't exist and would never be used for practical purposes.

again, my goal here isn't to prove that black people are the intellectual equals of white people, but to demonstrate the very huge gaps in your argument and understanding, and that you have no idea what you're even talking about in the first place. you're just regurgitating what authoritative voices have told you to think and can't even formulate an independent argument of your own without crying about sjws or some stock argument. if you can't offer anything besides sophist's bullshit, get the fuck out of this thread and stop pretending that you have any intellect of useful information to have.

shit, i'm not even a particularly bright person nor well read on this subject. i just read enough and have the time to think and formulate something resembling an argument. you're not even trying, nigger.

Michael Mitchell
Michael Mitchell

I was going to seriously reply, but then i realised after all i said, you redlibs still cant stop strawmanning 90% of the stuff i said. By all means stay in your circlejerk.

Jaxson Bennett
Jaxson Bennett

(fuck me for having too much time to waste)

That's the problem dealing with pseuds, man.
They make you do all the work for them, and put in none of the effort.

Ryan Martin
Ryan Martin

Implying Nazis ever argue in good faith.
Ebin

Cameron Powell
Cameron Powell

Heritability in the context of a scientifc study is a ratio genetic variance/ phenotypic variance calculated within a specific population in a specific environment.
It is a proportion of variaton of a trait that can be explained with genetic variation, in the particular context of a population, not how much that trait is influenced by genes.
Calculate the heritability of height in two diferent countries will give you two different heritabilities.
Does that means DNA's power on humans is magically altered by borders?

The heritability of hair color in Inuit is near zero.
The heritability of the number of fingers is near zero. Even though those traits have an obvious genetic component. That's how reliable heritability is for the purpose of measuring heredity.

Kevin Lewis
Kevin Lewis

learn what a strawman argument is, moron.
nothing i said was a strawman argument. i said the very statements you've been making are vacuous and meaningless in total, and that you don't really know the argument you're making. you're just repeating buzzwords in an attempt to sound smart and justify yourself, now.

Robert Rodriguez
Robert Rodriguez

1. Evolution does claim that a far distant ancestor of a whale is also the ancestor of the modern cows.
2. Reread/try answering my initial question.

Cooper Butler
Cooper Butler

Explain to me how Saharan Africa works as a case study when accounting for all variables and material conditions.
the material conditions in Saharan Africa naturally selected for traits that did not include intelligence

In how to maintain their wealth, probably. Not anymore than a king would instruct his children in how not to be deposed.
and?

source?
James Madison
thats not a source

David Bennett
David Bennett

its a social construct that means that it doesn't exist and isn't useful and has no meaning
retardbrain.jpg

Sebastian Moore
Sebastian Moore

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Michael Gonzalez
Michael Gonzalez

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Adam Wright
Adam Wright

Indians? Asians? Jews? No they are not smarter that is just normal distributions and that is a lot of questions, the different bell curves are just averages, mean Autism Level and so it isn't even G factor, that doesn't tell you much and say we are doing Autism Level okay well you would also look at the standard deviation for each group and the population sizes and then variation and newsflash pal when you look at the whole picture Whites; Win. Whites and Jews have similar Autism Level variance. The Global average Autism Level is around 78-79 so both Jews and Whites are more than a standard deviation above the global average and both globally contain very high Autism Level and low Autism Level populations and haplogroups,
There are over 11 million ashkenazi jews in the entire world we will use 11 million. 11 million Jews globally versus over 1 billion White people globally but we will just go with 1 billion flat.
the percent of a group that is above the standard deviation is obviously 50% and it would be decreasing for each further deviation, 35% would be above 1 standard deviation, 12.5% above 2 standard deviations, 2.5% 3 standard deviations, this is a general rule we can use;
to test the amount of Jews vs Whites above standard deviation just a fun comparison,
total population estimated above a single standard deviation-
3.85 million Jews vs 350 million Whites

total pop. above two standard deviations-
1.375 million Jews vs 125 million Whites

total pop. above three standard deviations-
275k Jews vs 25 million Whites

There are more Whites with an Autism Level above three standard deviations than if you took the entire global population of Jews and doubled it… The Indian and Chinese bell curve and Autism Level variance is not like Jews and Whites it is more like each other than either of them

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Matthew Garcia
Matthew Garcia

One species does not "turn into" another or several other species – not in an instant, anyway. The evolutionary process of speciation is how one population of a species changes over time to the point where that population is distinct and can no longer interbreed with the "parent" population. Like Rhesus Disease…

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