Why do gamers tend to be reactionary? Capitalism has done more damage to video...

Julian Robinson
Julian Robinson

Why do gamers tend to be reactionary? Capitalism has done more damage to video games in the last decade than ess jay dubyas have

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Connor Baker
Connor Baker

They are the types of dumb losers who are easily radicalized. If you play sports you will have friends of different races. If you play video games you’ll blame Jews for the fact that you’re a virgin.

Carson Williams
Carson Williams

Because they are lumpens or petit bourg and by definition incapable of being revolutionary. Every working class person I know who plays vidya isn't anything like what people mean when they talk about "gamers" and the term itself is misleading and obsfucates the real issue with these people

James Wood
James Wood

Escapism removes you from the real world, and class consciousness can only be realized through living and examining the brutality of capitalist exploitation.

Josiah Hughes
Josiah Hughes

I don't think they are any more likely, the gaming community suffers from the fact that children are mixed in, you don't know who's just a 10 year old smashing his keyboard.

Asher Long
Asher Long

Well capitalism created video games.
And the people to take them out of their gaming bubble identify as leftists

/thread

Connor Collins
Connor Collins

Capitalism has done more damage to video games in the last decade than ess jay dubyas have
Yes but Capitalists are sneaky and hide the damage they do, they don’t make it public. Radlibs don’t. So while your average Porkyis a 100x worse than your average radlib, because Porky is good at hideing his harm people don’t see it that way. THis applies to more than just video games.

Brandon Gutierrez
Brandon Gutierrez

Radlibs are capitalists though.
So they're all the bad of capitalists plus their own radlibism making them worse

Ian Gray
Ian Gray

Gamers typically hate both. They dislike greedy corporations and companies that shove a message down people's throat.

In reality big game companies do both. They try to milk as much money out of the consumer and at the same time hire 'ess jay dubyas' to make them seem more moral, when there not.

There honestly just two fruits from the same tree. Both trying to manipulate the consumer.

Evan Cruz
Evan Cruz

To add onto this, a lot of the negative anti- consumer capitalist shit added to games are from the companies trying to appeal to China's market which eats into pay to win games.

Quite ironic coming from a partially "communist" government.

Adam Smith
Adam Smith

There's two sides to the SJW hate, corporations are definitely using politically correct, inclusive people and surface decisions to cater to that vocal demographic, while at the same time language policing its customers by calling them whatever buzzword they can come up with when they shit on their products.

Ian Walker
Ian Walker

Ideologically sure, but by capitalist I was referring to members of the bourgieous, not those who ideologically support capitalism.

Sebastian Jackson
Sebastian Jackson

Ideologically sure, but by capitalist I was referring to members of the bourgieous, not those who ideologically support capitalism.
basically all of Hollywood is bourgeois radlib

Owen Clark
Owen Clark

If you play sports you will have friends of different races. If you play video games you’ll blame Jews for the fact that you're a virgin

Not necessarily. When you play sports you're limited by the community your in. And depending where you are might mean playing with the same race, and this in turn would create clicks.

When I was growing up there where these white guys who always play basket ball in a park nearby. There was this Mexican family that moved in and there kid would try and play with them, but they either lied and said the teams were already balanced or when they did allow him to play would never pass the ball to him.

I didn't hang out with those guys much longer after that.

It honestly is mainly based on the community imo. Typically gamers are like that in competitive games where trash talking is the norm

Evan Evans
Evan Evans

The data in this article might be total bullshit but I thought it was interesting. Basically reactionary / conservative gamers are just one cohort of gamers, and they tend to play more violent first-person shooter games.

What's also hilarious to me is that hockey is the #1 game for moderates, because I have a centrist friend who loves those NHL games lol and Fallout (open world). The vast majority of gamers also only play one or a few games, and that's "their game." Like, my brother's girlfriend only plays those Batman games like Arkham Asylum because she really likes Batman. A lot of this is probably due to race as well with very liberal and left-wing / left-leaning black sports fans.
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Leftist Youtuber Peter Coffin said it makes sense that gaming’s right is more unified than the left.

“They’ve more clearly painted the enemy,” they said. “The left kind of regards everyone else on the left that doesn’t agree with each other as the enemy. The crap I get from the right is predictable and manageable. The crap I get from left wing people is shocking and strange. It comes from people who ostensibly have left wing beliefs, but are engaging in so many different ways.”

Jonathan Gibbs, the host of This QPOC Life, said the left is “all over the place in what they care about.”

“It shows in the data, but, there are a lot more of us in gaming,” he said. “There could be more people yelling down racist bullshit, but the left is too quiet. We’re like a silent majority, and don’t come to the defense of other people. It’s a divided mentality; we all believe that we’re progressive, but don’t care about trans people because we’re not trans, we don’t care about black boys getting arrested disproportionately. There are so many communities that don’t look out for each other on the left.”

“The right has cleaned up their house,” Gibbs added. “They’ve organized, they’re getting things done, and they’re unifying their voices together to be loud despite their number.”

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Josiah Wright
Josiah Wright

Well capitalism created video games.
And capitalism created art, cinema, books, research, etc.
Capitalism is just one tool to repay the creators of a medium. As you know they are a lot of art created for free out of people's pure passion for the art. This goes for books, movies, research, and yes, even games have been made for free or even open source.
You shouldn't diss something just because the tool it was created by.

Luis Barnes
Luis Barnes

The same reason so many of them shoot up schools, it's an outlet for their destructive rage and nihilism

Noah Martin
Noah Martin

Capitalism has done more damage to video games in the last decade than ess jay dubyas have
Yeah let's just ignore that gaming was fine for decades under capitalism and it's just a coincidence that it's going to shit as soon as social justice reared its ugly head.

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Isaac Parker
Isaac Parker

what game is in between kerbal and rocket league?

Adam Morgan
Adam Morgan

The internet mixed with gaming culture is completely different from people from the 80-90s having a hobby related to gaming, or mostly being children. Culture wars wasn't a thing either.

I do disagree with the idea that gamers are the most reactionary demographic in modern entertainment, though, sport fans kill people more than vidya players shoot up public places.

Ryan Wilson
Ryan Wilson

Yeah gaming was totally fine 10+ years ago when preorder bonuses were running rife and on-disc DLC had just been invented, it's only the essjews who messed it up.

Kevin Hernandez
Kevin Hernandez

"very liberals"
It basically looks like black/non-white gamers, and those who socialize with them. Note Street Fighter, sports games, GTA, and old games like Sonic/Crash (based on nostalgia because they don't play games as much now, or having a less modern console growing up).
The fighting game community is without a doubt the most racially diverse group of gamers. It's also one of the most mechanically sophisticated and complex genres of game, if not the most. And it's more working class, as it focuses on practicing on a single game (instead of buying one every year) for a very long time, with low or even obsolete hardware requirements. It's funny that only one liberal/SJW game actually shows up on that chart, but it makes sense.

Jace Butler
Jace Butler

The shift in the game industry has been from a single purchase pseudo-commodity (disk/cartridge, or online game that depends on mods for new game modes), towards "games as a service," which is part of a shift in the whole software industry. This is undeniably the cancer killing games, and the reason is profits.

Luis Murphy
Luis Murphy

top 3 conservative game is candy crush

O IM LAFFIN

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Henry Ross
Henry Ross

Also it's pretty funny that the "moderates" like games where you get to just roleplay as a guy who chooses between different story paths and "bad" vs "good" paths/factions/etc.
And IDK why, but TF2 is very apropos for the reactionaries.

Jace Flores
Jace Flores

boomers

Hudson Young
Hudson Young

I know, but still funny

Henry Bennett
Henry Bennett

There's a list on the left. It's just generic "action-adventure games."
Yeah and MAGA moms I'm assuming

Angel Fisher
Angel Fisher

I'd say it's more acceptable than Life is Strange.

Asher Fisher
Asher Fisher

Capitalism is the cause because all the ugly trends in gaming are the result of owners seeking maximum profits by imposing their new business models on the developers and consumers.

Zachary Phillips
Zachary Phillips

I mean even 20 years ago, there are brilliant games like Fallout 1+2 and thousands of others that are forever marred by the fact that they were released in an unfinished state with cut content everywhere and gamebreaking bugs, purely because they needed to be put out either before the holidays or before the studio ran out of money to pay the staff.

Jacob Brown
Jacob Brown

I'm curious about the economic drivers behind the DLC-ization of gaming. Is there a falling rate of profitability in the game industry and this is a way to compensate for it?

Angel Jenkins
Angel Jenkins

Like, are games becoming more expensive to make these days? More overhead?

Bentley Torres
Bentley Torres

Well I'd wish they'd shut up when people criticize developers for that bullshit.

Easton Lee
Easton Lee

Something to consider is that the FGC was "formed" long before social media corps consolidated the internet and the emphasis was heavy on local events instead of online.

casual p2w facebook shit is better than trashy graphic adventure
care to elaborate on why cancer better than AIDS?

Cameron Brown
Cameron Brown

That game is unironically good though. I just replayed it last week. Fite me IRL. Yeah you can nitpick 'cringe' bits out of it (as if we didn't know that cringe culture is reactionary cancer) but overall it's fun to play, has a nice message for young people, and is memorable and emotionally satisfying. There's games I played for twice as long as Life is Strange in the RPG/shooter/whatever category that I didn't remember at all a year after I played them, but I hadn't played LIS for 4 years and I remembered a bunch of the major characters and plot points.

Life is Strange gets unfairly compared to Gone Home when there's zero similarity between the two.

Alexander James
Alexander James

Lol yeah, who gives a fuck about paid mods or draconian DRM when some no-name feminist wrote a mean article on kotaku.

Gamergate was literally a perfect example of how dumbfuck reactionaries and centrists inadvertently serve porkie

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Owen Cox
Owen Cox

That game is unironically good though.
I'm not reading the rest of your post.
I don't think you understand the impact journalists have on corporations perception of consumer opinion.

Christopher Cooper
Christopher Cooper

Yes, HD games are much more labour and hardware intensive than the SD era, this is why you've seen a widening chasm between indie, with basic and stylised graphics but interesting ideas from small studios, and AAA titans with the very latest pixelwank graphics but with no new or controversial ideas, focus grouped to oblivion to be palatable to everyone, from giant corporate monstrosities. Games from small and medium studios that can afford to take risks are basically the only shit worth playing anymore outside a few exceptions. I mean, when the company is run by empty suits, how can you take risks on a project that cost 200+ million dollars?

I mean yeah, I agree SJWs are being used as/are serving as cannon fodder for the industry giants to avoid criticism but it doesn't mean they're responsible, like everything it's caused by material factors.

Caleb Gomez
Caleb Gomez

I'm not reading the rest of your post.

I bet you haven't even played it faggio.

Henry Phillips
Henry Phillips

You'd lose that bet.

Jordan Moore
Jordan Moore

Oh really? Surely you didn't play more than half an hour or something though before turning it off because you were triggered by the feminazis or whatever. I find it hard to believe you played it through and honestly think it sucks (I get it's not some people's kind of game but that's a different thing)

Jackson Roberts
Jackson Roberts

Vidya (and all software, and really all media now) suffer from a disconnect between cost of blueprinting and cost of production.
In order to produce a copy of a video game, you spend maybe like 30 cents (a cartridge + box) or less than a cent (online download). However, the production of the blueprint (IE, source code and data) can cost hundreds of millions of dollars. And the blueprint doesn't physically depreciate, but socially (through social discovery of bugs or loss of interest). So the law of value operates in a very different way. Generally speaking, a game that turns a profit is monetizing the labor of the designers and artists, plus the unpaid labor of the community (who give the game life through word of mouth, guides, videos, mods, etc). You obviously can't realize the value put into designing it unless the community responds favorably to the game + marketing. But the community itself generates value.
If you look at games like Half-Life (+ TF, CS, etc), Half-Life continued to sell at a less discounted price long after turning a decent profit because the community was making tons of mods. But this was actually a missed chance from Valve's point of view. Because someone could buy Half-Life once, and then they'd have access to an ever-growing number of mods. All the effort of the modders was not being monetized!! There are similar phenomena with Quake, Doom, Minecraft, HL2, GMod, and so on.
The modern solution is to make games that are hostile to modders, and to centralize everything on company servers. Then the game company replaces modders with its own team, who release updates and game modes on a schedule. The community is expected to either pay for some kind of subscription/season pass, or lootboxes, or both. WoW was an early example. TF2 was groundbreaking for this model in the FPS scene.
As for a falling ROP, while game companies do have increased capital costs, the biggest increases in cost are often from devs and artists. Due to the fact that the games don't follow the law of value established for commodities, companies can't just depend on realizing the value dumped into design. So it's increases in plain costs that is motivating the new payment models. However, with the new models come central servers (lots of fixed capital), which further reinforces subscription models.

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

Life is Strange is a shitty drama.

Jacob Davis
Jacob Davis

Generally, gamers are lazy fucks who hate work, and they would be forced to work under a socialist state.

Hudson Lewis
Hudson Lewis

if I never see it, it doesn’t exist
I bet you think that EA was only shit when BFV came out

Brandon Flores
Brandon Flores

Capitalism is the reason vidya exists in the first place.

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Aaron Brown
Aaron Brown

Because gamergate happened and the real Left wasn't there for them. That's really it. I wasn't even a Leftist yet.

Austin Nguyen
Austin Nguyen

Reciprocate the goddamned firewall, China went full retard.

Carter Lewis
Carter Lewis

what

William Peterson
William Peterson

A system that requires force isn't really a moral system.
Forced sex is rape
Forced labor is slavery
Forced happiness is fake
A good system will motivate people to contribute willingly
You can't force a caged bird to sing.

Jaxson Cook
Jaxson Cook

what

China is the motivation for a lot of the AAA game companies to add all the neo capitalist pay to win features and games as a service stuff into games. Since they are the biggest market and they are into that sort of shitty games.

Justin Stewart
Justin Stewart

muh morals
No matter what stage of society you live in– primitive communism, feudalism, slavery, capitalism, socialism, or advanced communism –the majority has to work to eat and live.
Work under communism is of a different character than under capitalism, as it isn't exploitation, workers will control the workplace, and the division of labor will be erased.

Isaiah Clark
Isaiah Clark

Because gamergate happened and the real Left wasn't there for them.
I second this. Those leftists were mainly claiming to be leftists for economic benefit.

Zachary Campbell
Zachary Campbell

Most Western games aren't even allowed to be sold in China you fuckwit.

Isaac Reed
Isaac Reed

gamer as a valid identity

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Sebastian Watson
Sebastian Watson

Real leftists play games like Victoria ii, EU III, and HOI III. The rest are just the black vote, and soyboys.
Change My mind.

Brody Morris
Brody Morris

Other than the ‘hating women’ confusion of optics, there wasn’t any solutions (if any were made) that the Left could get behind anyway.

Andrew Harris
Andrew Harris

Can't believe Ross got cucked by this motherfucker

William Ross
William Ross

No matter what stage of society you live in– primitive communism, feudalism, slavery, capitalism, socialism, or advanced communism –the majority has to work to eat and live.
What if some people have a physical or mental disability? Or they are a kid? Do we make those people work as Well? What if they can work, but causes them physical or mental strain that hurts them in some way? Hire much pain can we look past?

Also what about in a Post Scarcity economy? If automation takes over the majority of the tasks needed to eat and live there is less of a need for workers to maintain the system. We aren't there yet, but we are heading in that direction.

Work under communism is of a different character than under capitalism, as it isn't exploitation, workers will control the workplace, and the division of labor will be erased.
This is a good point though^^

Charles Moore
Charles Moore

didn't he dress in drag.

Henry Rivera
Henry Rivera

PUBG, Fortnite, Overwatch are all really popular. Plus even if they aren't allowed to be sold in the country, allot of the things they are purchased and played over VPN.

Aiden Gutierrez
Aiden Gutierrez

yes

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Brody Butler
Brody Butler

what a loser.

Michael Rivera
Michael Rivera

Change My mind.
How much of these grand strategy games di they have to play to be "real leftists"?
One? Two?
What if they play these games most of the time, but also play COD of some time?
What percentage would they be of "real leftists".
What percentage would you have to be to consider you a "real leftist"
Are you implying a false diacotomy? You either are or are not a "real leftist"?

Landon Gutierrez
Landon Gutierrez

What if some people have a physical or mental disability? Or they are a kid? Do we make those people work as Well?
Why do you even bring that up? Did I say the disabled and elderly have to work? No, I didn't. Read Marx.

Also what about in a Post Scarcity economy?
Not going to happen in anyone's lifetime.

Hudson Brooks
Hudson Brooks

This was such an embarrassing story to witness.

Ethan Diaz
Ethan Diaz

Leftist Youtuber Peter Coffin said it makes sense that gaming’s right is more unified than the left.
Yuck!

Jordan Davis
Jordan Davis

It is also likely that glow and the darks and discordnazis signal boost their own content through spam. I see it all the time, and it's kind of pathetic honestly.

Luis Rogers
Luis Rogers

Capitalism is the reason vidya exists in the first place.
yet another reason to abolish it

Alexander Martin
Alexander Martin

Why do you even bring that up?
Was trying to bring up the fact it's not dichotomous and how lines are arbitrary and it's not a clear and cut in every circumstance. How much of a disability is a disability? Everyone has grown up in different circumstances.

Not going to happen in anyone's lifetime.
Not with that attitude

Not going to lie though. A form of communism would be better than the crony capitalism which forces us to work indirectly through the forced need of money to live anywhere close to humane life.
We're in a system that is forcing us to work as well. And what has that created? A growing distrust of the government and those in power. Riots against the system that is forcing them to work not on the workers terms.

Dominic Stewart
Dominic Stewart

I think this is a gross generalization based on too much time on /v/ and tbh if I was a developer I wouldn't give two fucks what those faggots think because they openly admit they pirate all the games they play instead of buying them anyways. I would only care about the reddit spy boys who bling-out with like 50 items of merchandise.

Elijah Rogers
Elijah Rogers

libeal game preferences
life is strange
lol
right-wing game preferences
Kerble
proof that neolibs are right-wing
“It shows in the data, but, there are a lot more of us in gaming,” he said. “There could be more people yelling down racist bullshit, but the left is too quiet. We’re like a silent majority, and don’t come to the defense of other people. It’s a divided mentality; we all believe that we’re progressive, but don’t care about trans people because we’re not trans, we don’t care about black boys getting arrested disproportionately. There are so many communities that don’t look out for each other on the left.”
This is just a reflection of irl left wing sectarianism.
That game is unironically good though.
Mabey if your a girl on your period.

Dominic Anderson
Dominic Anderson

If your older than 30 you should be banned from doing drag.

Logan Moore
Logan Moore

Dedicated gamers = incels with no friends. They hate their own pathetic lives so they rebel against the world trying to blame others for their own failures

Nicholas Bell
Nicholas Bell

trying to blame others for their own failures
99% of the time this is true, they didn’t make themselves have poor social skills or go to a shity school or only be able to take shity minimum wage jobs. The problem is that they blame the wrong people. 99% of the time when their is something wrong in your life, you are not responsible.

Asher Reed
Asher Reed

Imageboard cringe culture says that the complainer is always wrong and cringe. Not a surprise how this mindset lends itself to conservative views, especially if you're a lumpenized kid who spends most of their day engaging in escapism. Might sound tinfoil-y but AAA dev shills on /v/ are to blame at least partially. Saying modern games suck for any other reason but having black people in them gets you ridiculed and called a nostalgiafag. Leftism is bad because they complain too much about things, I'm an epic irony doomer who doesn't care about anything.

Eli Parker
Eli Parker

Based Trot. Those who put the blame on the individual, particular those who are not powerful are the actual reactionaries. If they then portray themselves as "leftists" it's kind of obvious why the disenfranchised run into the arms of fascists that at least pretend to value them. Liberals always were our 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧greatest allies🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

Ian Parker
Ian Parker

Completely agree. Those damn SJWs and their lootboxes.

Isaac Kelly
Isaac Kelly

video games are trash and they always were 99% trash

just download some old rom packs its like 10 GB for every Sega NES SNES Ps1 n64 and you have multiple lifetimes of "good" games to choose from

Joshua Reed
Joshua Reed

Video games were born from universities at first so the tech is not thanks to capitalism.

If you mean the video game industry, then you'll have to explain to me why do you think the current state of the industry is worth defending.

Julian Johnson
Julian Johnson

People who play video games with extreme regularity are seeking an escape from reality. They tend to dislike the symptoms of capitalism but are unaware of the cause since they are avoiding it in the first place. Not everyone is naturally analytical but even is someone is, they might not have the time nor the willingness to delve deeply into politics and economics, much less so if they find it easier to avoid it altogether by escaping into a fantasy world. With this is mind, does it surprise you at all that they would be attracted to reactionary politics?
Criticizing or mocking their hobby will only make them more attached to it as part of their identity, not to mention that it completely ignores the fact that they are alienated.

Alexander Reed
Alexander Reed

Tetris

Jaxon Flores
Jaxon Flores

And a billion freeware games.

Bentley Richardson
Bentley Richardson

's also one of the most mechanically sophisticated and complex genres of game, if not the most. And it's more working class, as it focuses on practicing on a single game (instead of buying one every year) for a very long time, with low or even obsolete hardware requirements
yikes @ every word of this

piracy renders all genres equal. ridiculous amounts of free time to spend on a game hint at not being working class, given y'know, 24 hours in a day and the working class gotta work. funding your fursuit with fighting game tournament money does not a proletarian make.

Christopher Kelly
Christopher Kelly

I'm on disability and I play games a couple hours a day.
I'm a leftist and I play a few games. I also post on the internet, by the way.