Can someone give me a quick run down on Chapo Trap House and their book? Are...

Hunter James
Hunter James

Can someone give me a quick run down on Chapo Trap House and their book?

Are they actual leftists worth reading or are they reddit tier radlibs?

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Bentley Thomas
Bentley Thomas

its called a guide to revolution but they literally do not believe in revolution besides a Chomsky tier revolution through the democratic party.

Amber Lee i was once in a facebook chat group with. Shit takes all round. Gun grabber. Seriously believes she is part of the "dirt bag left" and a Stalinist but also thinks disarming the police is a policy that the left should advocate. You have to be on several tiers of dumb shit arrogance to believe anyone is ever gonna vote for that, but particularly in the current climate. On their podcast she (and the others) have also pulled the whole "lol how u gonna fight drones with guns tho" as if all around the world insurgencies haven't done just that to great effect, as well as shitting on the legacy of groups like the black panthers and ignoring how racialised gun control discussion has been (which for radlibs is a weird one). Also even I as a bong understand the guns aren't going anywhere, when you go after them, you will only lose. Also Marx said no.

They had a 10 minute discussion about skincare on one of their episodes. They have a general stuck up aura and think they are ten times funnier than they are, but it basically amounts to their own cliquey in jokes.

They do to their credit get some good people on their show and will give a voice to SOME dirtbag positions such as Lexit, but are generally the opposite of what the left in America really should be.

Julian Fisher
Julian Fisher

They're idea of the perfect socialist politician is Salvador Allende, they pretty much want Sanders to set the stage for America's Allende to be elected and change the constitution.

Jaxson Gomez
Jaxson Gomez

They are milquetoast Social Democrats who are extremely bigoted against the Irish.

We should advocate disarming the police though, just not the rest of the working class.

Nathaniel Nelson
Nathaniel Nelson

Yeah because that worked so well the first time.

Brandon Brown
Brandon Brown

who are extremely bigoted against the Irish.
Based and redpilled.

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Christian Reed
Christian Reed

TAL

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Ayden Scott
Ayden Scott

I wanna know your perspectives. Why would you be for or against disarming cops? Cause just seeing this topic brought up, with little context I would be for disarming but apparently that might not be a good idea.

Brandon Nguyen
Brandon Nguyen

Yeh its a great idea, ACAB but they also believe in gun control for everyone. They really think the united states could exist with nobody having any guns at all. Besides that, nobody in america would ever vote for it. Being anti gun automatically loses you a huge chunk of votes. Why would you do this, while claiming to be a socialist when Marx and Orwell both thought gun ownership is a good idea

Lucas Robinson
Lucas Robinson

We should advocate disarming the police though, just not the rest of the working class.
This + the reintroduction of consctiption.

Justin Price
Justin Price

Lol Salvador Allende pretty much confirmed the theory that the bourgeois state has to be smashed and the workers given power. Surely it will work th-this time!

Jaxon Hill
Jaxon Hill

Ahem, we should disarm the police!
<why?
uhm, so we can kill them
Full conscription though, yes.

Charles Bennett
Charles Bennett

anti gun control = LARP horseshoe

Orwell also thought narcing on commies was a good idea lol.

Aiden Davis
Aiden Davis

A good example of chapo comes in the form of their last few episodes. A while back they had one where they spent a really long time discouraging people from defending the ussr in public. Not even full Grover furr shit either just anything at all. In the most recent episode Will Menaker spent the whole thing interviewing Alan Moore who literally advocated using art as a form of magick to challenge advertising and said some boomer shit about how "the individual is responsible for revolution" and a whole bunch of idealistic metaphysical shit which was interesting but had nothing to do with politics (which he and Menaker both implied it did)

I like Chapo still but they are the perfect example of everything wrong with the American left IE a distrust of anything even remotely Leninist on the ground that it is "impractical" in today's political climate while simultaneously advocating and tolerating and defending stupid shit that is 100 times more "impractical" a way to revolution and has repeatedly been shown to fail to build socialism and calling you the "fun police" or some such shit if you point this out, or even implying you're a crypto fascist

Jeremiah Hernandez
Jeremiah Hernandez

disarming the police
a bad thing

Carter Carter
Carter Carter

i am aware i was giving him so there is a trot and a marxist example (Marx) also Fred Hampton, etc

it is a good thing just nobody would ever vote it in particularly in the US

Cameron Jenkins
Cameron Jenkins

90% of what sucks about Chapo is explained by the fact their formative online years were spent on somethingawful.

Carter Rogers
Carter Rogers

Fuck disarmament. Disband the cops. Make those turds get a real job.

Jacob Nelson
Jacob Nelson

It was a funny book I guess

Camden Morales
Camden Morales

I haven't read the book but I've listened to a few of their podcast episodes and thought it was funny. I liked the one on CPAC where one guy (Matt Christman I think) was tripping on acid the whole time. Reminds me of National Lampoon in the 1970s or Hunter S. Thompson covering Nixon in '72.

It's not really a big deal. It's just entertainment. Probably for the best as well since you gotta remember they're competing with Joe Rogan for the 25-year-old white dudes out there.

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Gabriel Murphy
Gabriel Murphy

90% of what sucks about Chapo is explained by the fact their formative online years were spent on somethingawful.
True but somethingawful also brought us the rhizzone which is the vanguard of Marxist-Leninist posting online

Dylan Rivera
Dylan Rivera

That’s fair

Tbh even if the Chapo crew aren’t Leninists they’re decently funny and they represent an alternative for young disaffected dudes in the West, particularly America, yeah they dunk on Incels but they also talk about how the DNC and libs suck just as much as republicans and they hammer it in constantly that capitalism is the problem fucking everyone’s lives

Christopher Cooper
Christopher Cooper

Right yeah. Like they have some shit takes or whatever but I'm not sure where going "Chapo is fucking cancelled!" is going to get anyone. I just don't see it as a big problem. But like I said I've only listened to a handful of episodes. More of a Radio War Nerd guy.

Samuel Perez
Samuel Perez

they can be funny but don't take them seriously for theory, they are demsocs at the best of times.

Jackson Taylor
Jackson Taylor

29,264
patrons
$130,720
per month
AMERICANS GET OFF MY BOARD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Logan Martinez
Logan Martinez

I think the bigger issue with Chapo is that they will never grow beyond their shit takes because they're so self-assured. When actual left-wingers try to pull the Chapo audience left, they will show their true colors and resist us. Shit, I've heard Amber bitch at people for not liking social democracy. The others tend to be more wishy washy about actual praxis.

Aaron Wood
Aaron Wood

Is there any visibility with regards to what happens to this money?

Gabriel Rivera
Gabriel Rivera

about 100k of the monthly take goes to cocaine

William Hughes
William Hughes

if you don't advocate the disarming of the police you are literally a calss traitor
the police force is by design obedient to the capitalist class, thus an enemy of the armed working class

Evan Scott
Evan Scott

Specifically for people preferring the Revolutionary approach?

Nicholas Green
Nicholas Green

Yeah, I've heard some of them talking shit about revolutionaries. Matt seems the most sympathetic to revolution but even he pulls out the "yOu cAn'T FiGhT dRoNeS WitH HuNTiNg RiFLeS" argument too.

Jeremiah White
Jeremiah White

The Rhizzone

The Rhizzone is the vanguard of spreading Identitarian Maoism, shilling Sakai, and spreading other types of burger-tier "Marxism" online.

Jayden Nelson
Jayden Nelson

Eh, arguably you can’t without a dual power structure

Jason Lewis
Jason Lewis

True, but they're much funnier than anyone on this board.

Noah Sanders
Noah Sanders

Show me one (one) funny The Rhizzone post. I'll wait.

Lincoln Wright
Lincoln Wright

the rhizzone is a place for dropouts, labor aristocrats, scientists, underemployed clerks, those on disability, those trying to get on disability, students, an actual worker who has adopted a relentlessly anonymous troll persona, and the mesmerizing ghost, the spectre, of capital. and comrades.

Xavier Gomez
Xavier Gomez

Also not hosted by shady Nazis

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Benjamin Price
Benjamin Price

jews taking $200k a month with patreon insisting you can't effectively fight against the bourgeois power structure?

color me surprised

Austin Reyes
Austin Reyes

They're funny sometimes and a good gateway for the normies/alienated.

They're not good for theory and praxis further beyond, at best, demsoc.

Matt, Amber, and Felix are probably the best on the show. Will is a bit of a dummy and Virgil is a lib.

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Brandon Young
Brandon Young

A bunch of trust fund brooklynites whose idea of socialism is dunking on liberals and peddling socdem policies. That being said, solidarity with Amber's tiddies

Anthony Phillips
Anthony Phillips

i advocate it, it just straight isn't going to happen and optics is a thing. Don't be an idealist. Be a materialist

Brandon Taylor
Brandon Taylor

you keep saying that as if it's an argument. it's like saying nobody is ever going to engage in a revolution in the US. why would you even consider yourself a leftist then??? it's called normalizing ideas ffs

im not saying its a good strategy but your argument sucks

Adam Taylor
Adam Taylor

what if police had to go by the same gun standard as the public so if they wanted to regulate the publics guns they would have to do it with the police as well?

Angel Harris
Angel Harris

people are more likely to engage in a socialist revolution (or revert to outright fascism) in the US then they are to give up their guns.

people need guns to carry out a revolution. You can bet any revolution without guns against the forces of capital is going to fail and history shows this.

no guns, no revolution

People don't generally go into revolutions willingly, forces push them to do it.

I am saying, in the current climate, "take the guns away from the police" is only going to lose you votes, on an issue you shouldn't be fighting, because the working class needs to be armed.

If you want to "normalise ideas" you should be normalising the idea of the overthrow of capitalism, using guns if necessary.

If you are gonna go not true lefty on me for advocating something Marx himself advocated.

Its better but all the same reactions to it apply. You won't take guns off americans, i would say particularly the police. Might as well advocate the US military goes to war unarmed or with RPG's and Kalashnikovs instead of advocating for no war.

Christian Nelson
Christian Nelson

You won't take guns off americans
I wouldn't say the goal is to demilitarize Americans, it goes the other way around. Whatever the police can buy so can the public, that's the simplicity of it. Eventually it would force the police to either demilitarize or face a completely militarized proletariat.

Adam Price
Adam Price

None of this will happen because the police will say they need more firepower than the public and half the public and all capital wil agree

Owen Diaz
Owen Diaz

Joe Rogan's format and appeoach is vastly superior. He just barely ever has lefties on. His politics are a product of what he's exposed to, same as his fans. People have tried to get Wolff on his show for a while. There's just not that many lefties prominent enough or willing to go on (some more should, just like Sanders going on Fox News).

Chase Stewart
Chase Stewart

I've read the book and I'll say I found it entertaining. It's funny for the most part and it was a super quick read. Maybe it's because I read it awhile ago, but I don't really remember much more than that it made be laugh so there's not a whole that really stuck with me. I guess it's like listening to cumtown it's funny while you're listening but you can't remember shit about it after. I'll also say that it's a book whose title calls it a manifesto against logic reason and facts so you shouldn't expect Capital Vol. 4 or some shit.

Basically just start reading it and if you don't like it stop reading it… Just like any other book. I wouldn't listen too much to the spergs here who don't listen to the podcast and haven't read the book becuase they've already they've already decided that Chapo are bad for whatever reason.

I live in the deep red rust belt and Chapo and cumtown are probably the best way I've found to get people to atleast be exposed to more radical ideas.

Matthew King
Matthew King

get a real job
kek. i'm going to shout this next time i see a cop

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