I was just about to make thread asking this.
I was browsing /fascist/ yesterday and found pic related.
Thoughts?
So, how terrifying will 21st Century Fascism be?
John Brooks
Brody Williams
HOT TAKE ALERT
The only reason I see the rise of "fascism" as possible is because there's no real competent worker party and/or movement. What we have is some obscure CP with under 100 members. Most of whom are still stuck in the past.
Then we go to the internet left, most of which is completely ignorant about any sort of theory and history; unable to even say something in response to "muh godzilions", besides "not real socialism". Better yet are tankies who call every bad thing "capitalist propaganda" (no, quoting Grover Furr doesn't make it not real) and denounce people as "Kruschchevites".
Then comes the fact that being in a leftist online space, you need to walk on eggshells.
Compare this to right wing.
Actually manages to feel "pro worker". I can easily tell you that majority of low income people don't have a problem supporting those "fascist" parties, because they offer solutions. They even pretend to be saviors of liberalism. Just look how racism is used to "protect" women: "Muslims need to be opposed to ensure the rights of our women". Then comes the fact those fascist parties don't even call themselves so. No one would vote for the "NSDAP", but "Rassemblement national"? That's a completely other story. Their online spaces, while for smoothbrains, are much more welcoming that the leftist one. I haven't saw one leftist online personality discussed online, yet Stonetoss's comics are anything but unheard of.
Funny thing is that those people who go for the fascism, could be socialist. That's the thing fascism is good at: larping as socialism. Hitler speeches, if you replace the "Jews" with "bourgeoise", sound straight like out of State and Revolution. I've made post in fascist forums pretending to be in the dark - playing the role of an innocent guy who just stumbled on National Soycialism - and found that those people aren't in any way opposed to socialism, they just equate capitalism problems with Jews.
To give credit where it's due, I saw a rise in leftism. On reddit CTH is rather popular and open to people. If you want to see something worthwhile though, there's more effort needed.
What I guess would help is to study the rise of "alt right". Look where it's weaknesses lie, and attack them. The strenghts we should incorporate ourselves.
Thanks for comming to my TED talk
Justin Edwards
nothing will come out of it. I'd be suprised if they would even try to set up any specific time for meetup.
Angel Scott
The fastest way to stop the rise in fascism in america is definitely appealing to working class whites who are at least ok with some racism.
The thing is these people have probably never seen anti idpol communism, and think communism is deeply triggering and problematic and anti freedom
Lincoln Cooper
Yeah probably, but what has me thinking is how much of an influence do places like 4chan and Zig Forums have?
I'd assume obviously a lot, I mean it's places like Zig Forums where these people become radicalized, I know this is literally a fucking shitty Japanese anime image board site and like you said most of these people won't ever organize in real life, but I seriously think there's something that should be done to combat the influence the right has online.
Samuel Young
I disagree. You have to look at imageboard culture as smaller pockets of what is going on in the greater consciousness of society. I think it's significant that the posters posted their state as well as it helps pinpoint the areas where the feelings are more concentrated, especially relative to population size. So, what I get from the image is that Ohio (2 different IDs posted from Ohio in that thread) will be one of the first states to balkanize, to the surprise of everyone involved. Just a roughshod prediction and nothing to really take seriously. But if you start to see things line up, then it's a good indication that the momentum is there and has been there for awhile. Shit, if I was a weapons dealer i'd start buying advertising in Ohio and sell a bunch of guns to these people as they seem to be a vulnerable and prime market for that kinda stuff atm.
Tyler Long
genuinely right-wing people hate what's in your image at least as much as you do, and the average american "leftist" is as okay with it as much as the average "conservative" is.
Aaron Ross
People don’t care ATM. Again, I'm being wild here. Recently it's become obvious that Trump has been losing control of his base. They're getting wilder and wilder. Trump has no choice but to continue to appease them, feed them, and watch them grow into a full fledged fascist movement.
Levi Ramirez
I was thinking about this recently, and it might be possible to attack their extra liberal use of slurs, and not in some kind of SJW "how dare you sir" type of way, but by portraying it as incredibly childish (which it is). I don't exactly know how, but I think it is possible to just mock the shit out of them for this, as at some point all of "nigger faggot" "whitey" "spic" shit they spout stops having an effect and is no more than a 1st grader trying to start some shit with a 12th grader by calling them "poopoo face" or "ur mom gay". The best part would be that any response from the alt right would be just more of the same "shut up nigger". In the end, while there are some IRL white nationalists, the core of the movement is these Zig Forums and 4chan Zig Forumsyps, and if they look like stupid kids to the rest of the internet, they loose their influence. Perhaps some memes with annoyed looking commie pepe being pathetically assaulted by a little apu saying "shut up nigger whitey" might express this well.
Oh and also to my knowledge a lot of these people hold retarded conspiracies (QAnon and shit) close to their heart, so maybe that is another good line of attack
Jaxon Collins
the problem with this is that Apu is too sympathetic by virtue of how adorable he is