I tried joining a discord group advertised here a few weeks back. Anyway in their ideological purity test interview...

I tried joining a discord group advertised here a few weeks back. Anyway in their ideological purity test interview, I made it clear I didn't buy into the feminist or LGBT narrative. (LGBT is a nonsense concept, and offensive to guy men. When gay men get queer bashed or murdered, they are not Lesbian's Gay's BI's pr Transsexual's that are murdered but gay men.)

I was not allowed into the group for not following their rules, even though I was polite. They never explained what rule i broke.

The right is complete fucking cancer, but the left are shitting on men, people who believe in the reactionary hate movement called feminism are gatekeeping all leftist groups.

If you point out feminism is a hate movement, or debunk their nonsense about women being oppressed, you get called a neckbeard incel virgin loser misogynist.

I almost want the right to rise so they can kill most of you, but the problem is they are trash that i hate just as much.

This thread will most likely get me banned, have a nice day, and carry on failing to address a core issue and drive more men to reactionary politics due to the frustration they feel at being gas lighted.

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Your critcism should be directed at the left-wing communities on reddit.

The discord group i was not allowed to join was named after this board, not sure if it was a official group or not.

I hope one day people gain positions of power and gatekeep misandrist feminists out.

There is no official Zig Forums or Zig Forums discord.

So do I.

quality shitpost, you should write a blog

are you sure you're not just some 'masculinist' idpol retard? Zig Forums consensus opposes all idpol, including misandrist feminism and 'masculinism' or whatever
now stop reddit spacing, being a whiny bitch, read books and lurk moar

Do you know what what Masculism is? Because i am pretty sure you do not. (Hint it is obscure.)

All politics is identity politics, being against identity politics is just a disingenuous cop out and a excuse not to look at certain issues.

What is the left doing to stop male circumcision? Or divorce rape? Or parental alienation? Or the gender sentencing gap? Or men being denied higher education so gender quotas can be filed? Or boys being down marked in schools by female teachers?

What is the left doing to address this systematic issues.

Pretending these issues do not exist, and just trying to abolish the state is not going to achieve anything.

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isn't it some anti-gay movement for hypermasculine homosexuals? anyway I used the word to denote your pro-male identity politics
no. Class politics is not identity politics. It doesn't matter what you or anyone else identifies you as, if you are a worker you benefit from pro-worker policies.
really only relevant in America or Israel in the west, and among jewish and muslim populations elsewhere.
as for the rest of your shit, sure, but you're never going to fix any of the underlying reasons behind sexism with male (or female, for that matter) identity politics.
If your primary political interest and motivation is men's rights issues you don't belong on the left or on this board. The left is the political expression of labour against capital, not for your pet issues.

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Boys being down marked in schools is a systematic problem.

You are just trying to dismiss it as my own personal problem.

It shows that your are a moron who can't think of things on a systematic level. (Ironically in exactly the same way right wingers do.)

Or you just have apathy and just want to dismiss the issues.

"isn't it some anti-gay movement for hypermasculine homosexuals? anyway I used the word to denote your pro-male identity politics"

Masculism is some crappy obscure fringe movement. No one on the internet identifies from what I can see.

"Class politics is not identity politics. It doesn't matter what you or anyone else identifies you as, if you are a worker you benefit from pro-worker policies."

Working class is not an identity because of reasons?

Men face issues because of their biological sex, pretending they do not exist will not make them go away. Left wingers either fall into two camps.

(1) The buy into the feminist narrative.

(2) They don't buy into the feminist narrative, but the falsely equate any push back against feminism as being just as bad as feminism and being identity politics.

"really only relevant in America or Israel in the west, and among jewish and muslim populations elsewhere."

Nonsense it is legal in every country in the world The first country the world that will most likely ban it is Iceland. Just because it is done in low numbers in some countries doesn't stop the fact that parents can legally have baby boys mutilated an outrage and a problem that needs addressing.

"as for the rest of your shit, sure, but you're never going to fix any of the underlying reasons behind sexism with male (or female, for that matter) identity politics."

Your not interested, men's issues do not matter, so they do not get to advocate for their issues, and you will label it identity politics, as a lazy thought terminating cliche.

"The left is the political expression of labour against capital, not for your pet issues."

What good is the fight of labour against capitalist if men are treated like sub humans?

If men of all classes are treated with less concern and care of women of the same class, what is the point of fighting capitalism?

Also the left is enabling feminism, what are you doing to address that?

I honestly feel you do not belong here, you can't be left wing and ignore male issues.

I suppose when Orwell was homeless and wrote about homeless men, he was not a leftist?

you are basically ignoring the main victims of capitalism, because for some reason you do not want to engage.

if you write like this in class then I'm not surprised they flunked you or whatever

gross

So I made a typo?

I was never flunked since I was brought up by a mentally ill single mother who kept me out of school, and a taught myself to write via the internet.

You are a vile piece of shit though. You are trying to derail by mocking me personally.

I honestly do not care if you mock me, I find the derailing attempt the offensive thing.

Also right wingers do exactly the same thing you are doing. You are trying to link the issues i bring up to my own personal failings.

You are like a brainless right winger who responds to someones critique of the capitalist system by going. "get a job."

it is also an identity in the Weberian paradigm but when we talk of class here it is in the Marxist paradigm, which is a relation to the means of production, not an identity.
you literally mirror the liberal feminist narrative, so it's very hard not to equate the two. it's funny how the MRAs took all the worst parts of feminism when making their separate movement.
I oppose male circumcision but its a non-issue. it has a minor effect and its done in minor numbers. on the grand scale of things it doesn't matter.
The left is and has been co-opted for stupid identitarian issues, mostly feminist, in the west. This board is largely in revolt against this very development. We do not wish to exchange one cancer for another.
For you, probably nothing. And that's why you and your pet issues don't belong in the left. If the worker's revolution is not your revolution you have no place here.
fighting divisive idpol IRL and online, like right now.
hmm I wonder if their status as homeless or as men was the one causing them more issues. really makes me think.
The main victims of capitalism are the PROLETARIAT of all identities. Anyway what's with the victim narrative?

also learn to format on imageboards and clear the name field or go back to reddit please

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I was talking more about a general contempt for the reader

It's a dead giveaway. Stop extrapolating your mommy issues on the rest of the society, it doesn't matter to a large extent, as does idpol in general.

LoL
Of you being a generic commie faggot? Nah, that's clear as day.
Create your own channel with blackjack and hookers. Tehnological progress gave him the ability to promote his retarded ideas the way he wants, no, he prefers to eat shit.

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No we're not, its either you just don't understand the intersectional left's opinions or you think equality is somehow detrimental to men.

Grow a pair you fucking pussy.
Why do people like you always complain about how thin skinned feminists are but as soon as someone insults your identity you go crying to mommy and moaning about""muh feminists were mean to me". So much for the tolerant left.
Then you pull
WEW
Honestly you're such a spooked liberal I'm not sure there's any hope for you. I suggest you travel into the mountains and spend some time away from society for a time, and really think about what you choose to believe. And read a fucking book.

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Fuck off

Why would anyone here use Discord? We don't like being spied upon.

I honestly hate all instant message chatrooms.

reddit

space

Sadly, it's a common theme along the left, many act as if they're anti-authoritarian, but the main problem is once a leftist or group of leftists rise, they become the new authority and with time become as bad and even more opressive than the regime they replaced.

What you're finding is just a bunch of individuals acting on their good will, even the misandric feminists, the problem is that they were faster than you in getting power to gatekeep horrible people, and you have been left out of the "good people" category.


Yes, but these problems will not be fixed with identity politics. Many of these problems are fault of identity politics in the first place. Proof of this is that many of today men problems come from feminist "solutions" that actually didn't solve the problems they were set to solve.
Policy should arise from reason and never from moral panic.
Policy arising from identity politics rarely will solve the initial problems, and most likely will cause unforeseen problems.

I live in a country were I can't be raped, suffer from any kind of gendered violence nor discriminated. At least not legally =^)
These semantic codes built in the organic laws that currently rule over me have driven male suicide up, yet it seems the number of "femicides" doesn't drop even as years pass. Most evidence and scientific research point that most cases of violence stem from simple naturally ocurring insanity, rather than just some opressive culture of toxic male violence, thus feminist identity driven policies are unable to fix the problem, no matter how many euromillions merkel and co. decide to drop on it while they pose at the camera.

A reversal of the narrative wouldn't fix anything, no matter how angry I am, I don't want "masculists" either, because that will simply not fix my problems, it's just a petty and weak revenge.

This doesn't need a thread

Zig Forums doesn't have a discord, I didn't even know there was an unofficial one.

I often say 'hang all traps" in the server Bat'ko advertised
I guess it's hit or miss with discord

Feminism is not a hate movement. Those who are using feminism as an excuse to be misandrist cunts don't really get the point of feminism. I would suggest reading Emma Goldman, Voltairine de Cleyre, the Murray Bookchin's vision for the dismantlement of patriarchal structures and Abdullah Ocallan's Jineology, which is currently being actively put in practice in Rojava.