Adopt a common military caliber

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about on par for a nation thats trying it's best to turn negro

I'd place the blame on these:
Which would be the smartest assumption since france also puts the kibosh on civilian usage of "military calibers" and seems to fear ordinary people getting french funs. It says something though, when you fear your own citizenry more than you do running out of french specific ammunition and not being able to use your allies stockpiles.

So why not develop a completely new cartridge? I'd say it is more to do with Frogs being an inferior race. In all seriousness though this would be a good question for Emeric at MGA.

NATO would throw a huge bitchfit if anyone used anything but 5.56, so the french can supply foreign militaries just fine, but they can't use foreign ammo without blowing up their guns for the reasons I listed.

Or you know OP sucks cocks for a living, wikipedia is a sauce and FAMAS cycle brass-cased ammo just fine if it's actually up to NATO specs and not literally the cheapest and shittiest 5.56 ammo ever made…

secretdefense.blogs.liberation.fr/2009/09/24/larmee-a-de-serieuses-difficultes-avec-les-munitions-du-fusil-famas>>586758
’utilisation de la munition F3 est donc pour l’instant interdite et les militaires doivent utiliser les stocks de leur ancienne munition F1 de fabrication française. Le problème est que la France a complètement renoncé à fabriquer ses propres munitions, après la fermeture de l’établissement du Giat au Mans, il y a une dizaine d’années. Il faut donc les acheter à l’étranger, au Royaume-Uni, en Allemagne, en Israel ainsi qu’aux Emirats arabes unis. Selon de premières informations, non recoupées, ce seraient les munitions en provenance de ce dernier pays (société ADCOM) qui posseraient le plus de problème. Non pas qu’elles soient mal conçues, mais elles ne sont pas réellement adaptées au fusil français. Tout cela ne va pas sans difficulté lorsque l’on évoque le sujet : les Emirats sont des alliés de la France et surtout un futur client pour le Rafale…

>"It can't be shit because it's made by such diverse people, it's the FAMAS that is shit" says journalist working at a lefty rag (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libération ), barely removing the cock from it's mouth to be able to speak.

Also France never adopted a common caliber.
NATO adopted a common caliber, based on a caliber already in use by it's two biggest army, the US and France.

Not the other way around.
And the US cucked out to the compromised humanitarian belgian version of that round (62gr) while France never gave a fuck about "muh gruesome wound" and kept using original 5.56 (in 55gr) which is a better round in all respects (the only thing 62gr is better at is over-penetration on soft targets. more collateral damage is always a selling point for NATO), until very recently.

Keep in mind France was not in NATO from 1966 to 2007/09 from de Gaulle to Sarkozy… which is why only US, Russia and France have the capability to make jet aircraft from scratch.

And if you leave an alliance like that, the next morning you find yourself surrounded by a powerful hostile alliance that can use all your weapons. It's not fun.

We were still in NATO, just not the integrated command, which is a huge difference.
Only idiots would willingly put their armies under foreign officers command and expect said army to defend their country interests.
If NATO was really an alliance and not a colonial administration, the integrated command simply wouldn't exist.

So what do you do when you get attacked and you've now got twenty something different countries with twenty something different armies and leaders all leading their countries in twenty something different directions? Your entire defense breaks apart.

You do the exact thing you had in WWII (or in WWI. Or in any war fought by any coalition ever).
You have a centralized commander in chief staff leading general staffs of different nationalities commanding their national units.
You do not break up divisions, brigades… sometime down to companies level, de facto evince their local superior officers to supplant them by someone else from your integrated command, making peace time national forces under a command THAT IS NOT UNDER ANY POLITICAL CONTROL.
NATO is national forces put under extraordinary entities outside national command staff. It might make sense for units that share an immediate border with themselves and the enemy (Denmark/West Germany/Netherlands, US and UK permanent forces in Germany and West-Germany) to have a permanent command (but a simple joint command, 1 guy with 3 stars and his staff, presumably a German, would suffice) for proper coordination in case of surprise attack, but not fucking Portugal!
That's even more true for rapid reaction forces (immediate->rapid->reserves, few->sizable->a lot, 24/7->36-72H->1 week) that have to mobilize under a NATO command literally within hours while their real (national) hierarchical superiors (let alone the people representatives) are at great risk of being de facto kept out of the loop (as the system is literally designed to do).

There is simply no reason for it. Rapid action forces IS A FUCKING FRENCH CONCEPT, they can perfectly be under a national command and you have an entire army corps with a national army level staff that once mobilized is simply under the NATO marshal/CIC, if needed or it's national staff.

Think of it this way Mexico and the US are allies (last time I checked).
Do you think the military governor (or whatever they have in Mexico) of Tijuana should be able to deploy battalions of the Californian National Guard without the US army being able to tell him to go fuck himself?
Of course not.

To give you a counter-example when Clarke ordered UK and French soldiers to assault the airfield in Kosovo held by Russian airborne and the officers on site refused, they checked with their national brigade leaders (as it was an ad hoc thing and NOT a NATO integrated command), said leaders took upon themselves to check with Paris and London (which of course gave them orders to back the fuck off).
If it was a NATO integrated operation, Clarke would have been well within his right of having everyone court martialed (refusing orders while engaged in a combat operation resulting in the seizure of a key strategic asset by an opposing force. Guidelines are pretty clear, it's a life/death sentence). Given the urgency he could have them all snatched up by MPs, replaced by his own officers and shot within the day and still be perfectly within his right.

To give you another counter example nearly all the forces that took part in the coup against Erdogan in 2016 in Turkey were NATO rapid reaction for south west Europe.
Soldiers were just told they were doing a snap drill, then that there was a coup…
Of course NATO and the usual suspects denied any involvement (they had no idea the guys literally in the room next to them were ordering bombings and helicopters runs on the country parliament and HQ… none).

Are baguettes natural autists or something?

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He answered your question.

I'm sorry, but I don't use Zig Forums to read. More than a full screen of text is far too much.


Is there a tl;dr version?

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you earned it, buddy

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So what do you do when you get attacked and you've now got twenty something different countries with twenty something different armies and leaders all leading their countries in twenty something different directions? Your entire defense breaks apart.

You are beyond retarded user. If you had just laid off the candy and in your lunchables and calmed down enough to read the frog's post it would have taken you less time to get what you want to know than asking all these moronic follow-up questions. If you don't have the guts to inhale a bag of helium at least do the world a favor and castrate yourself.

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But he never answered the question. He just restated his original argument, so I did the same.

Literally the first fucking line:

Yeah, but that doesn't really explain how that works.