What state is/was closest to the Zig Forums ideal, historical or present? The Swiss? The US? The Soviets? Germany...

Definitely Switzerland, it's getting pozzed but even to this day it's still a pretty good Zig Forums place.

So did all of us Eurofags. Learning history is a matter of vid related, not listening to some old bastard.

Funs and pouring all their funds into military industry even though it was an authoritarian shithole.

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As did the US during the cold war, but you got to have funs as well.

Depends on what the Zig Forums ideal is.

Meant to reply to the OP.
Otherwise, is probably closest.

States, by definition, cannot be close to the Zig Forums ideal.

What would a Zig Forums-administered pair of O'Neill cylinders be like?

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Awesome!
See the Zig Forumsarrier group for more details.

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So the username defaulting to a name used in a buggy Ukrainian game means USSR should be an option?

Strelok may be the Russian term for rifleman, but it's also the name of the protagonist of STALKER.

Sparta has a lot of propaganda after that long format gay porno released a while ago. A lot of people have the idea of Sparta as a society of warriors who were better than everyone else because …. Rawr, or something along those lines. In fact Sparta was a society under nonstop, constant, siege. Laconia - the area of Greece they were in - was mostly populated by the Helots, who Spartans kept as slaves. Sparta was completely obsessed with making sure that the Helots never revolted, hence the militarised society (and the worlds first secret police). You then get into political power in Sparta flowing from the 'Spartan Heiresses'; basically Spartan inheritance law concentrated wealth in the hand of Spartan wives, and eventually a few of them got rich enough to keep both of the Spartan kings in their pocket.

Rome is a lot more interesting - certainly during the Republican phase, well up until the economic effects of the Second Punic War became apparent and began to wreck Roman society. Rome was a society where military service was seen as the most awesome thing a man could do, to the point where if you wanted to be a politician in the Roman Republic you needed to be a veteran. Military service was also the only way that a non-Roman could become a citizen. Roman history is a lot bigger (and more awesome) than can really be explained through an image board, but if you get any free evenings you would probably enjoy reading up on it.

what's your sources?

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? I was just saying that the Soviet Union shouldn't be on a list of Zig Forums utopias

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Lurk more newfag.

They had comparable war tech to us, but different in interesting key ways.

Its kind of like bizarro America (although post clinton the roles are switching).

I don't even know what to tell you if your answer isn't Rhodesia.

There's a lot written about both of them. If you want to look into Sparta then I'd suggest starting with the primary sources
You'll get the best view of Spartan society from book 4 there, but it's all worth a read.
In book two he refers a few times to "The serf class in Thessaly who repeatedly rose against its masters, and so did the Helots at Sparta, where they are like an enemy constantly sitting in wait."

You can also infer a lot from the population figures of the Laconic population. It was about 90% Helot, with the Spartan Krypteia surveilling, subverting, and murdering any of them that looked like they might lead another uprising.

Nomadic steppes empires?

Plutarch's Life of Lycurgus also goes in depth on Spartan society and laws in the context of a biography about the lawgiver Lycurgus who established the state we consider to be Sparta.

The Swiss hate Germans too much to be Zig Forums and considers them the Mexicans of Europe.

Not with the SVP in charge, what the hell are you talking about?

There's no need to insult Mexico by comparing them to Germany.

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have a webm version

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Much appreciated, thank you

:^)

There's a huge difference m80. The Eternal Anglo is a civilised, kindly, and gentle master - he's the man who can claim the world as his birthright. The Eternal Kraut is some poor, failed, evolutionary cousin of the Anglo who would probably be happier if we just put him out of his misery. :^)

Nietzsche was completely correct in his view of the German people.

It's been a while since I read Nietzsche, can you elaborate?

It will never not make me sad that Rhodesia failed.

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San Marino. Libertarian paradise where people sell subguns on the street and the government doesn't give a fuck.

So …. Somalia then?

Rhodesia and the old Africa. I used to dream of going to the Africa that once existed when I was a boy. I never cared much for Apartheid or anything, but I wish the 'wild Africa' of my childhood was still around to see.

Poopoos and Anglos are both wretched and vile creatures

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>being so asshurt you support (((soviet))) mass murder
That's actually unsurprising considering Lenin was your invention.
I also like how you're Israel's greatest attack dog in finding a new perpetrator of the holocauster™
Guess paying 60 billion dollar ransom to become "first victim of nazism" was worth it.

Germany:

Britbongs are the most delusional people in Europe.
Also reminder that all these great victories you're so proud and smug of, have made your country the 2nd most cucked nation in the planet. Have fun raising 12 of Jamal's children faggot. Don't forget to prepare your daughter for Ahmed and his friends this weekend.

You're not getting the Elgin Marbles back Greece, you sold them to us and we're keeping them.

I wouldn't trust the Greeks with it anyway, they might try to eat it or something.

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We'll get them and there is practically nothing yo can do about it. The only reason you still have them in your sub-par museums is because ever since 1974 Greece has been contentiously ruled by commie traitors LARPing as patriots. That however will soon end.

You don't seem to understand Greece, you sold them, they are ours, we kept the bill of sale. I know that as a man raised under a government of commies you may find the idea of 'property' confusing and scary, but they are our property now. Considering that you gyros-niggers had been chipping bits off them for centuries before we rescued this irreplaceable piece of history from your negligent care and placed them in the custody of some of the finest museums in human history, we didn't just buy them from you, we saved them from you. You're welcome; go back to your Kebab and Falafel, Helleniturk.

You fucks can't even afford a plane ticket to see them, let alone buying them back.

anglos

Kek.

Who the fuck holds the authority to "sell" national heritage?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles#Acquisition
Also was not turkroaches that sold them to you?

The current government.
Yes, we know, you're pathetic enough to be occupied and conquered by the Turks. Are you expecting sympathy? We kind of ran out of that after we allied with the French and Russians to defeat the Turks, liberate you, and grant you your freedom. British, French, and Russian blood was spilled to liberate you, stop complaining about our marbles - turns out they're the price of liberty.

Kek.

its funny because you island monkeys are slave to the global jewish banking mafia and your ugly women get bred daily by your muslim and nigger bulls

Molon labe.

The government is not the nation. The government may have custodianship over the nation, but it is not some piece of property that they can auction off as they wish. They may have the authority to do so, as part of the broader range of powers that they possess, but if they were to actually do such a thing, they instantly and irrevocably lose whatever mandate they may have had to act in the first place.

Don't forget the time you gave them constantinople on a silver fucking platter and they couldnt manage to defeat a severely weakened turkish army so now we have to hear them scream "PERFIDIOUS ALBION" while the Turks ramble on about Atatürk for the rest of eternity.

Why don't you two fuck already?

The good ol' Wild West. Where niggers were hanged as soon as they started chimping and anyone who got on your property was carried out.

You explain it perfectly there. They have the authority to do so. Whether they have the right or not is another question, but they do have the authority to do so. Greece should just be grateful that when Lord Elgin was selling the marbles (to cover the cost of his divorce, poor bastard) he picked the offer from the British Museum rather than the one from Napoleon. Granted we would have taken them back after the Napoleonic wars, but they'd have gotten French shit all over them by then.

Is there any other kind of Turkish army? Also, while the Turks do go mad for Ataturk (at the same time they abandon his ideals and shit all over the republic he gave them) he was about as impressive as Islamic politicians have gotten so far He certainly makes Jinnah look like the turd he was

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You see, unlike you 56-ers we have thess thing called 'morals' and 'decency'. Difficult concepts to convey in words, especially to someone who comes from an uncivilised, uncultured colony, but for one thing it implies we don't just go around fucking one another just after we meet.

The only decent thing that came out of Turkey/ Ottoman Empire, and the roaches still manage to shit on all he stood for while parading his name.

It's getting pozzed by the thousands cuts.
There was "the let's not issue ammo", the abandon of major defensive lines, the removal of mandatory bunkers laws, etc…
Also it used to be pretty much mandatory to be an exec in a swiss company you had to be an officer in the swiss militia (and vice versa), that way the elite HAD to be patriotic which played a key role in maintaining the country independence, neutrality and it's readiness to face anyone or anything threatening either. Internationalism and globalization has come and now to be an exec you mostly have to be gentle merchant rubbing his hands with a long nose that is shocked and appealed by everything that resemble Swiss national identity…
The system is still working, 9 out 10 pozzed leftist proposition are getting shut down (because Switzerland is the only actual democracy on the planet) but 1 out of 10 is still getting through, as such it's heading the same way as it's neighbors, just at a slower pace.

Just need a big vote in congress and you're golden.
The gov' can't do it, but in every country the [representatives of the] people (that is sovereign) can.
Of course it's clearly meant for the selling of shit one by one, voted one by one.
The greek gov' is/has just gonna present a massive bill of it's accord with the troika and make them vote once on the whole thing (to which they obviously can't say no has the EU banking cartel has demonstrated it was willing to shut off Greece entirely overnight and Tspiras caved instead of retaliating like the little bitch he is)…

Delicious irony…

Huh? So that's were AoE got it from?

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Yeah I'm sure that 1% difference is equivalent to being literally ruled over by Muslims for hundreds of years.

True, but at least the native Greeks didn't openly welcome snakbar rule to the point of choosing a shitskin as the mayor of their capital city.

Apparently.

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You think this shit isn't happening in your country?

Are you kidding me, they used to happily give their sons and daughters to the Turks the moment they were asked, sometimes they didn't even need to be asked!

could always be worse, we could've elected a nigger to run our country

We need to get something done to extend that road by 22km.

Meme-tier.

Is that why you're working so hard to be the slave now?

He literally wrote a book calling out Jews
The last time they tried to stop them, you so smugly stamped them out. Don't blame them for your failures.

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you proved yourself wrong. good job nigel. btw i report every british post on this board to the internet hate speech website thing. i prefer to let them figure out if you broke the law or not. i encopurage everyone to do the same. finally, an end to angloposting.
gov.uk/report-hate-crime

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Liberia

It's okay, we don't have to do anything here. Just look at the state of this thread, it's going poorly enough to please the great leaf.

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Rome, Switzerland or maybe the Teutonic Order.

It wasn’t a shitpost you cum dumpster

Exactly
Only downside is the disease and being surrounded by niggers.

Israel

Likely some indo-european tribal confederacy

Israel is fine with shitskins as long as they're jewish.

Dude, Greece was literally as in literally rather than figuratively a province of the Ottoman Empire. When people tell you they were ruled by Turks they mean that Greece was conquered and had Turkish rulers appointed over them until they were liberated in the 1820's by an alliance of Britain, Russia, Haiti (yes, that Haiti), and France.

I'm aware of that actually, what I was saying is that the Greeks didn't vote in their kebab, while London did. It's only a shitpost m8, don't read too much into it.

Do you mind answering satan's question? I'm also curious.

Anglos are island Germans who have fucked things up as much as mainland germans

Even if that were true both the Anglo and the Kraut would pale into insignificance when compared to the fuckups of the Burgers; and while it took us a thousand years to fuck up as much as we did you guys managed to do more and worse in under three hundred years.

Shitposting or not, there's no excuse for historical inaccuracy.