When did Sweeden's military started to go downhill? How can they fix it?

Lucas Myers
Lucas Myers

When did Sweeden's military started to go downhill? How can they fix it?

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Isaiah Young
Isaiah Young

How can they fix it?
The same way you fix all the problems in the western world: war.

Leo Price
Leo Price

tfw Swedish military hardware is your favorite
It's not fair.

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Matthew Lewis
Matthew Lewis

How can they fix it?
Stop pandering to female recruits for a start but that would require fixing all of Swedish society.

Easton Gray
Easton Gray

data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?locations=SE-US-RU-CN-FR-1W&name_desc=true

I expected %GDP spent on the military to be a good proxy. But while Sweden is pretty shit, they aren't really bucking the global trend. Everybody seems to be either peace dividending themselves or just seeing their civilian economies grow faster than military expenditures.

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Ian Ramirez
Ian Ramirez

fixing Sweden
They single handedly doubled the length of the Thirty Years War from a Fifteen Years War and caused the slaughter of countless innocents.

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Sebastian King
Sebastian King

how can they fix it?
you know how

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Carter Flores
Carter Flores

The Stridsvagen 103
Possibly the sexiest tank and most interesting armoured concept ever built
Look at the state of Sweden today
Will they ever get the chance to fire in anger? Or are they going to rust away, never getting that warm feeling right in the chamber?

Luke Edwards
Luke Edwards

When did Sweeden's military started to go downhill?
When they started buying German turreted tanks they had no use for.
Sweden military doesn't exist there is nothing left to fix, it would take a whole generation to rebuilt.

Dylan Powell
Dylan Powell

When they put a girl teacher in charge of defense (c. 2000). They were fine until that point, but the teacher and her subsequent scissoring partner (pictured) redirected critical funding away from the ability to build native tech into purchasing tech from NATO. I bet some faggot in NATO is to blame for them being elected, I bet a CIA related NGO funded their fucking ascent.

Seriously both UK and Sweden were two of five countries that ''had the ability to build a jet engine from iron ore", along with France, US, and Russia. Now both UK and Sweden are losing that ability, they've erased aeronautics from every STEM program, and the techs who know what's going on are dying from old age. Even France is losing that ability…. we're close to reaching a monopolar cold war-era type world except it isn't based on social disciplines, it's based on technology and knowledge.

This is swedish political atmposphere:
- Their Left are split into three groups: Leftists, Socialists and Environmentalists.
- Their Right are split into six groups: Nationalists, Snowflake, Libertarian, Christian, Common sensers, Zionists.
As a result of the fracture, the two largest parties are Socialists and Zionists. They are the only ones contributing to the position for minister of defense and have been steadily driving it into the ground with females and literal faggots.

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Dylan Brooks
Dylan Brooks

This
there's so many pieces of nice swedish equipment
Stridsvagn was such a nice concept, especially for their terrain, their airplanes are fine too and I wish poland fucking bought gripens instead of F-16s
Their infantry weapons are great, vide Carl Gustaf, AT-4 and BILL, small arms are ok tier too, never read a bad thing about them.
and the fucking bandkanon with the fucking 15 rounds per minute

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Carson Ramirez
Carson Ramirez

Since the day they abandoned state enforced eugenics it was only the a matter of time.

Benjamin Evans
Benjamin Evans

tfw no 15rpm main gun
tfw no emergency 1-man crew
tfw no super sekrit anti-HEAT defense that's actually just a fence
tfw no diesel/turbine engine combo
tfw no rear-facing getaway driver

BILL
I love the concept of an angled charge that you fire over your target.

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Austin Gutierrez
Austin Gutierrez

charged with creating a cheap expendable point defense light interceptor as a meatshield against Soviet bomber formations
accidentally creates the most agile futuristic air superiority fighter for the next two generations of jet-fighters to come
still faithful to its planned requirements for low cost
It's sad to remember… ;_;

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Eli Morgan
Eli Morgan

How hard is it to send an email to the Chinese or Arabs to get them to make this?

Dominic Torres
Dominic Torres

Yukari is not a piece of equipment, she is a fluffy girl.

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Elijah Jenkins
Elijah Jenkins

Pretty much this. Although there's a snowball's chance in hell of that ever happening

Mason Harris
Mason Harris

Socialism isn't inherently bad if it's something like Hitler or Stalin or Tito but ain't gonna happen considering those kinds of socialism fly in the feels of Sweden majority thot led government. What that place is a nice nuke

Kevin Bennett
Kevin Bennett

*What that place needs is a nice nuke.

Dominic Sanders
Dominic Sanders

A nuke is probably overkill

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Juan Hughes
Juan Hughes

if it's something like Hitler or Stalin or Tito
The only good part of these regimes was the nationalism
Literally nothing good came from the socialist part. Even the explosive growth would have been more explosive if it were cigar-chomping fatcats in tophats building those railroads.
You do need the national unity and the cool uniforms, but those can be accomplished by an Alexander Jackson without the hassle of a command economy.

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Angel Sanders
Angel Sanders

That last image of yours is a screenshot of a game/simulator. DCS to be exact.
Every time someone brings up a good and proper aerial schwacking some Brit decides to derail the thread into "MUH WARCRIMES vs. MUH WARCRIMES" shitposting.
And it works 100% of the time.

Isaac Ramirez
Isaac Ramirez

Tito

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Landon Martin
Landon Martin

Socialism isn't inherently bad

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Jaxon Hernandez
Jaxon Hernandez

small arms are ok tier too, never read a bad thing about them.
Here's something bad for you, the AK5C can sometimes spit oil residue and other fun things into your eyes while shooting.
The upper receiver isn't the tightest girl on the block.

Grayson Bell
Grayson Bell

Someone suggests using a nuke on Sweden/
Someone else suggests that localised heavy firebombing would cause less excess & collateral damage while still achieving the aim of the operation.
German loses his shit.
Krautposting intensifies.
You're the only one derailing here.

Any word on an upgrade/replacement for the Gripen yet?

Joseph Fisher
Joseph Fisher

<German loses his shit.
implying
Oh, please ignore me. I am just getting comfy and waiting for this show to blow over.

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Adrian Ortiz
Adrian Ortiz

Hitler
Nazi Germany was an expand-or-die proposition, their economic system wasn't geared for peace and they would have entered a permanent depression if peace was declared.

Stalin
The only progress during this system is when the Soviets adopted certain Western practices like modern medicine and science. Both of these things would have been adopted by Imperial Russia as well, so it's not a success inherent to socialism.
Everything else was a continuous spiral into the fucking ground, for the majority of its existence USSR received food aid because they couldn't even manage to feed their people, like some African country.

Tito
Actually most advances and adoption of western tech were made prior, during Kingdom of Yugoslavia. From its very start, to the end in 1980s, Yugoslavia just steadily decreased in living standard. There were no increases in living standard due to socialism.

P.S. Difference between Tito and Stalin explained in image.

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Jaxson Jones
Jaxson Jones

for the majority of its existence USSR received food aid
Why didn't NATO just starve them?

Oliver Green
Oliver Green

An army is a reflection of it's people. At this point, speaking to people around me, seems like it's 50/50 whether we go full on race war or just collapse like rome a century down the road.

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Ayden Gomez
Ayden Gomez

NATO wanted titanium and other assorted shit found in the vast wastes of Siberia.

Adam Brown
Adam Brown

firebombing
less excess
less collateral damage
???

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Hunter Kelly
Hunter Kelly

Firebombing Tokyo was a special case and exception to the rule. The casualty numbers correspond very closely with the population density, as shown in your pic. You also have to account for the unusual number of wood and paper buildings in Tokyo at that point. Also, how many people suffered from radiation sickness after the Doolittle raid? Considering the long term health and environmental damage from both types of attack firebombing would seem to be the more humane option.

Noah Garcia
Noah Garcia

Because America is a communist country since 1938/40 and the entire cold war was theatrics on a global stage.

In fact 1940 to 2040 looks like it was and is going to be a battleground of whose version of communism is better. Hopefully Gen Z saves us before the developed/developing world ends up like Venezuela or Occupied Rhodesia-tier failed state, and usher in a new dark age that lasts 5,000 years.

Chase Bennett
Chase Bennett

Any word on an upgrade/replacement for the Gripen yet?
Last I checked the guys at SAAB are tinkering away on the Gripen E and the carrier version (never ever).
But since the state gives more money to "migrants" than the military, seeing any of these is more likely in video games than meatspace.
And with the pressure from the EU to form an army, it wouldn't surprise me if they force the eurofighter typhoon on us.

Nathan Richardson
Nathan Richardson

it wouldn't surprise me if they force the eurofighter typhoon on us.
Ouch, they're pushing that POS pretty hard, we're relying on a mix of Europoorfighters and F35's pretty soon they went for model of the F35 that won't work from our current aircraft carriers, because of course they did

Jeremiah Sullivan
Jeremiah Sullivan

Stridsvagen 103
interesting

It's just a StuG with a fixed gun.

Andrew Robinson
Andrew Robinson

you think they have it in them?

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Connor Stewart
Connor Stewart

just a StuG with a fixed gun…
…autoloader, rear facing driver, extremely low profile, automated hydraulic system for aiming, comparatively small crew size (with a possibility of being fully workable with one man) and pretty much everything else Sweden would need for a defensive tank. For something designed in 1956, it was a novel idea and I'm incredibly disappointed they've never been battle tested.

Christian Evans
Christian Evans

I said it once and I'll say it again. Give the lion his pee pee back.

Noah Davis
Noah Davis

What does the image say?
You're an idiot.

Grayson Miller
Grayson Miller

You think you have it in yourself not to post thumbnails?

Ian Flores
Ian Flores

Firebombing Tokyo was a special case and exception to the rule.
what is Dresden
>inb4 dew it again

Jordan Gomez
Jordan Gomez

Stridsvagen 103
It's just a StuG with a fixed gun.
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!
<First MBT powered by a turbine engine
<Low profile design cuts down on incoming fire and improved crew/vehicle survivability
<Designed to facilitate collapsing defence strategies needed during a Soviet invasion
Then Sweden went and replaced it with bargain basement Leopard 2 knockoffs. Raise a glass of akvavit in its memory.

What is Dresden
If Arthur Harris had been using nukes then most of Germany would still be craters.

Hudson Perry
Hudson Perry

<what is Dresden
Unfinished business.

Oliver Sullivan
Oliver Sullivan

Checked.

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