How bad would a war between China and India be? Especially if it's over a resource necessary for life...

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How bad would a war between China and India be? Especially if it's over a resource necessary for life. Will the Pakis back China, and would anyone back India? Just imagine 10's of millions, if not 100's of millions of manlets slaughtering each other.

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Poo and plastic rice all over the place. A total ecological disaster.
The only thing the Pakis will back is Labour and some british boipussy when they all flood into the UK as "refugees".

Ave Nex Alea.

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Please stop, I don't want to be so aroused in the morning.
It's ironic that a war between India and China would cause a civil war in Australia, due to how many of both kinds live there.

Canada here, we'd have one too. At least the city's housing their respective vermin are right next to each other Would be fun to watch

It would be a war of taxi drivers/7-11 workers vs $2 shop owners and all you can eat Chinese buffet waiters.

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Watching the lazy spoilt children of two of the most corrupt societies in the world reenact Verdun in freezing high altitude… it'll be hillarious

There's also a Maoist insurgency going on in some parts of India and China is rumored to support them. If they are supporting them they need to give them better guns. I'm sure they'd get a hold of some MANPADs if Indo-Chinese relations went south

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It would finally be a proper war since WWII. Millions dead, millions wounded, millions of civilians butchered and millions of properties forever destroyed.

And doing it in the Himalayas, so they're all suffering from hypoxia.

Damn, that kind of war would be perfect to train troops there. Both sides are fucking retarded and pose a minimal thread, are easy, weak and small targets that will go down easily.
I would volunteer to go there just to have a shooting range with reactive targets and beautiful scenery.

Maybe, it might be the first proper war since WWII, however, the 2nd American civil war will be much worse, mainly because of the implications it has on the rest of the world.

To win the poo would have to assault the Himalayan plateau, which China has heavily invested in infrastructure meaning they can move a shit load of troops there fairly fast.
So you would have a couple of poo mountain division trying to take passes from the wrong side with changs having the terrain, the numbers and the firepower.
It would make for history funniest battles since Turkey tried to invade Russia through the Caucasus in WWI.

Also the tale is told 100% from westerners eyes. China doesn't have territory claims with India.
China took control of all the land they claimed in 1962 and India couldn't do shit about it, they kept what they wanted and withdrew to where they like the frontier to be.
They conquered pretty much the whole Arunachal Pradesh but gave it back immediately because they were in fact fine with where the frontier is in that area (they did the opposite in Kashmir and kept Aksai Chin which they consider theirs).
So at best it is India, Nepal and Bhutan (both being Indian protectorates) that has territorial claims on territory held by China, not the other way around (but India has long ceased to claim this shit, they were doing it in the early 60's at the urgency of the UK to fuck with China annexation of Tibet, but losing soldiers, prestige and money for useless land has it's limits. Even the poo aren't that dumb).

So you have some time pissing contest circus over the border areas (because while both sides are fine with where the border are, neither can admit it officially because they would lose face. Welcome to Asia.) but it's nothing to wage war over.

Third the whole water thing assume something that is hilarious.
That both Chinese and Indian government give a fuck about the quality of life of the random poo/chang drone.
Protip: they really don't.

India wants battle rifles, not assault rifles.

That's the RIGHT fucking choice for montane terrain. It's the same choice Greece made, and for the same reason.

You can clearly see the enemy a short distance away, but water or cliff is stopping you from getting any closer and using your assault rifles as they should be used (~300m). All the enemy has to do is slowly increase the distance to the point your assault rifles don't penetrate his cover, but his rifles penetrate your cover. And then he fucking wrecks your shit.

I think China believes that India is a pushover, and can't defend itself. So in all honesty if they do attack, it will be like stepping in cow shit and losing their MADE IN CHINA boot.

I'd like to see a very large war between those two countries, it would be better than WWII.

>meanwhile the badly mitigated collapse of the Chink-based Western consumer economy triggers the outbreak of the Second American civil war, with the soylent gentry ravaging the streets of every major Democrat county after the forced rationing of soy and Nintendo while the US countryside descends into insurgent firearm fascism following several failed attempts at violent gun grabbing by local (((politicians)))
I'd be a fun timeline.

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It's not Verdun, it's the Italian front!

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One can dream.

You forgot:

Why? Do you live in an area where bookmaking is limited to sports and DIGITAL >SPORTS?

Even if 10% of the people die it would still be around 200-300m casualties, which would surpass any conflict in history, with the possibility of a death toll that exceeds every single military death in history combined


Can't wait.

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Are chinks and Pajeets fully people?

What's bad about millions of dead niggers and commies?

Gotta bury them all somewhere

Don't you have landfills?
Also, just collect them in garbage trucks?

There was riots and shit between the pajeets and pakis when Pakistan lost at cricket. I can't wait for what happens when they go to war.

Even the death of a single good-hearted patriot is worth more than a million subhumans. K-selected population muhfugga.

What is it worth for it if not for killing subhumans?

won't happen - ethnics have a sweet gig going overseas, and theyre not going to fuck it up for the governments they fled from

Doubt it buddy. Arabs and Africans remove each other here. Most of the people getting grenaded are other Arabs and Africans.
As for Australia, Australia has deep ties to China at extremely high levels. An Indian/Chinese conflict would see Australia side with China if it was absolutely necessary.

The problem is that white people are infinitely more valuable than the tares (non-whites). There is no ratio of value, like 1 white man = 6 billion niggers. It would better for a googleplex niggers to burn than for one white man to get a papercut

The Syrian Civil War has died down, and same goes for the Donbass. ISIS (a.k.a the side that gave out the most amount of keks in the conflict) left the game early, and now we can only watch some commie kurds killing kebabs in the mountains. There's way less real Zig Forumsombat footage compared to the 2013-2014 heyday.
I sure hope the relation between the Poos and the Chinks would just spill into out-right aggression already, but in all honesty it won't be a spectacle, since both would just play it safe and play border skirmishes just like 1965

Welp, I guess I'm seeing things from the perspective of a mongreloid whose nation's most important contribution to humanity for the last half millennium is kebab removal.

Everyone says that real war won't happen again because everyone is afraid, but it only takes one side in a skirmish to go too far before it blows up

Why are Russians so poor? Serious question.

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Why would it be funny? Amusing, but not funny. Unless something did happen that was funny, like Indians having to clean shit from their guns, or the Chinese troops doing Balkan memes.

Massive trade embargoes, being ex-commie and a high defence budget.

Thanks bruv

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It's the ex-commie part that hits the hardest.
It's harder to recover from communism than from getting hit with some nukes.

(((Soviets))) sold gold reserves of every single union country for grains.
Then massive corruption
Then massive embargoes

The Russian Empire was already pretty poor (well backwards) compared to western Europe at large before, Russia really only hit the industrial revolution stage around 1870. Russia before that wasn't really far from a pure middle age level civilization, in Moscow/St Petersburg/Kiev/Minsk, you had renaissance level, but everywhere else it was pure feudal peasants/lords and mongol/tatar hordes further east.
Add the commies after that, then the general plundering of what little the commies had accomplished and they were never in condition to really start to catch up before Putin.
They still haven't, (and probably won't) because they have nearly a century to make up for and still have insane environmental/infrastructural challenges.

That's one of the common lies about countries "development", under-developed countries almost never actually can catch up to developed ones.

But both of those happened already without the war, so even then the war would still only be amusing rather than funny.

Eh, it depends. Pre-commie Russia had the fastest-growing economy of the West and had just overtaken France as third most industrialized country. Hong Kong's meteoric rise in economy, tech level, and sophistication once they got relative autonomy from the mainland is another good example. If you leave well enough alone and let people get their own shit together they can become very prosperous very fast.

Terrible. The NFA and GCA, plus the Operation Dragonfire fallout, means no interesting surplus.

What did he mean by this?

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Depends on who wins

The one real exception did it by cold blooded, hardcore imperialism.

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Japan was always a first world nation, just that it was isolated by choice and conditions. When Europeans brought arquebus's to Japan as imports Japan began to make some of the best arquebus's in the world. Then, back to isolation. Then they were forced to open their doors, then modernize, and guess what, they did. Soon they built their own rifles, their own battleships, their own cars, ect. Japan went from quiet isolation and relative technological underdevelopment to FIRST WORLD POWER in a matter of a few decades. Proof the people are great.

Monkeys in the jungle get the same arquebus's traded to them at the same time during the European exploration age. Monkey's proceed to use them as symbols of wealth and power instead of effective weapons, cannot make their own weapons, much less high class matchlocks. Fast forward to 1800's they are still monkeys and don't learn or copy anything from the Europeans to develop themselves. They remain monkeys. Fast forward, we end imperialism and they are now free with the world willing to invest and help them develop with European infrastructure left behind and now European contact an old thing. Decades go by, they can't fix their own problems WITH THE WIND AT THEIR BACK AND ALL ISOLATION REMOVED AND FULL SUPPORT TO HELP THEM. They are still monkeys. We realize they cannot help themselves.

Japan was always great with great people, ready to take on new technology in a fast pace and eventually compete at head of the world. Africa and other "developing" shitholes are filled with people who will never rise up out of the dirt no matter how hard you try.

Sorry, but Mr. Frenchiefry is correct. If anything he is far too kind. They not only won't catch up with the first world, they will face the hard truth that many will never even ascend beyond 3rd wold shithole.

If the Native Americans never had European contact they would still be the way they were back then to this very day.

I guess that explains why despite having no taxation whatsoever actually keeping them down they didn't become champions of American industries.

Japan or even China were never under developed.
Japan had chosen full isolation as a way to preserve a way of life and is literally the only country that managed to tell colonizers to fuck off in those days, because the Japanese state was real, properly developed and organized.
China suffered near constant internal strife for at least a century that only stabilized in the 1980's and tremendously impaired it's regular development.

They can catch up because there was a political factor impairing their development, not a social, economical or geographical one which are insurmountable.
China/Russia are developing (in fact only fixing itself up), India, Kenya or Saudia Arabia aren't.

hahaa

Japan literally had a revolution right before they modernized.

Reforms with a few disgruntled losers being butthurt and then put down by the government, not a revolution.

For the same reason apefreak is so poor. It's full of dumb, primitive, violent, criminal, corrupt people. Russians are rather dumb and violent by nature, but put them nearly a century under judeo-bolshevist rule, and they become much worse.

Trade with the rest of the world is slow due to poor port/airport infrastructure. That's why they're putting everything they have into oil, making a pipeline is RIDICULOUSLY cheaper than making a set of ports and oil tanker fleet.
Also Russia has bad internal infrastructure, which prevents it from having a strong internal economy.

tl;dr infrastructure

As to why the infrastructure is bad, it is a mix of several things:
1. Main thing is climate. Canada has shit infrastructure as well, which is why 95% of us live next to the US border like a fucking limpet parasite on a shark. Russia has the same climate but lacks such neighbors it can attach to, so they're actually forced to build all over their country not just on the 10 miles around their border. This is a bit hard.
2. In terms of how much of their country they developed, they are similar to American Wild West, when the railroads were being built. Their country was only unified around 1900, think of that as the 1600 equivalent of American colonization. This is 300 years behind the rest of us, so in 2017 it is like 1717 for them. Yes they have planes jets and cars, I'm not talking about their technology, just development. There are regions the size of Texas in Russia unexplored by satellite or human. The few satellites that can travel in such wild orbits actually can only take low res or oblique photography, which isn't enough to identify places. Canada had a similar problem, we actually had to use aircraft to manually take photographs for mapping.
3. Political history. Two world wars and dozens of regional conflicts prevented any mass infrastructure projects like America had in the cowboy days. Internal depressions, recessions and communism itself basically set Russia back 100 years in every respect. For example their economy was on pause ever since the Tsars died (1917?), and only started serious growth around 2007…. when the recession stopped that for another decade.

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I don’t have anything against Indian people, I had two Indian roommates in grad school and yes they were awkward and smelly as fuck.
That being said, I’m convinced that pops have never had an original thought ever in history. Ever.
They cheat and plagiarize so much it is a natural part of their culture. They are really good IT workers because they are great at following instructions; they make good doctors too because they can memorize like little poo computers.
With this in mind I can’t see poos adapting on a battlefield in a war.
It will be hilarious to watch.

They probably knew for what purpose the titanium they sold to the U.S. was after all…

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For Adidas and Nike? Or for who?

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If they're underdeveloped, so are we. But we managed to recover a lot faster and a lot smoother, getting a stable and growing economy and we're not even relying on EU funds. Maybe that happened because we didn't decide to pick fights only 15 years after being destroyed and LARP as a superpower as soon as possible, when the EU and US could destroy your economy for 2 years by signing a piece of paper.
If Russia didn't have shitty leadership and kleptocrat after kleptocrat in power then they'd be equals or only slightly worse with other countries that became independent after the collapse. Unfortunate story, because I like the Russians. The ones that aren't vatnik commie sympathizer subhumans, at least.

The shitskins can't even hold themselves back from raping and defrauding the people that so naively and generously took them in. They will chimp out and it'll be hilarious.

The meme about muh developed russcuck empire is being forced by modern Tsarist stormfags like pic related. In reality numbers were pretty much heartbreaking. For example, only 1 person in 5 was literate then and you bet your ass fair share of those people were Germans, Jews etc. Sage for offtopic.

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Estonia was never as bad off as Russia. As a border SSR and a major port in the Soviet union, you guys received disproportionate funding. St. Petersburg actually enjoyed the same, which is why its now full of billionaires and is ridiculously wealthy.

This is bullshit. EU regularly gives you low interest loans for over 20 years. Also Sweden loaned the baltics like 20% of its gdp, and their government had to cover debt losses, and then they stabilized your currency by swapping $1.1 billion of its own kronor with your kroons. You've received "angel" investments from many other countries including america, and though the sums seem small its only because Estonian economy is $20 billion GDP.

To put this in perspective, it would be like Russia receiving a 50 billion dollar cheque in 2008.

You pick individual fights. Entering into Estonia is such a bad experience that EU companies (and Russian) don't want to send their workers there, which is why most investment is over the wire, financials and such.

Wasn't China laughed out of Vietnam when they tried invading?

Actually most of them were Baltics and Finland, because literacy was mandatory by law in the Swedish empire due to protestantism. Orthodoxy doesn't care if someone is illiterate, the entire point of the Orthodox liturgy is to bring someone who can't read closer to God's word as he intended.

In terms of relative economic and personal freedom, as well as general prosperity compared to neighboring countries, it was far better off in the Russian empire than in the Soviet union. I think someone whose country was created from thin air by the Russian empire should probably not speak so harshly about it… even if subsequent communist dictators added a lot to it.

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Estonian GDP per capita in 1993 - 1151 USD, russcuck GDP per capita in 1993 - 1330 USD. Literally the very first words of a fucking leaf are utter bullshit, what a surprise! Daily reminder that leafs are no people and they produce nothing but an autistic screeching.

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lol every time someone gets BTFO in an argument by a leaf, they gotta fall back to the overused flag meme.

In the last 20 years Russian GDP per capita went from 5000 USD to 10000 USD, a 2x increase.
In the last 20 years Estonian GDP per capita went from 9000 USD to 19000 USD, a 2.1x increase.

To say they had a similar start would be to lie.
To say that Estonia did somehow impressively better in the interim would be to lie, the massive internationalist sanctions barely slowed Russia down.

And just to drive your butthurt into orbit … Ukraine went from 1700USD to 3000USD per capita in the same period, a 1.7x increase.

to be fair, that was like 40 years ago. and the vietnamese are ridiculously tough people. they kicked out everyone who wanted to conquer them. the japanese, the french, the americans, the chinese - everyone got a can of whoopass. it's funny how the mutts pretend they didn't embarass themselves and lost the vietnam war though.

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Takes one to know one, doesn't it ukrop? :)

It's what happens when you don't actually go into enemy territory and lose on the PR front.

Are you the same fucking RIDleaF that was here a year or two ago? Jesus Christ.
What the fuck is this supposed to mean? Most retarded RIDF disinfo I have ever seen. I'm sure that entering Moscow after the collapse would be a stellar, tourist friendly experience. Nordic companies invested into here as fast as possible, that's the reason why SEB and Swedbank, two Swedish banks are the biggest here. It was the wild god damn west during the early 90s, as it was in every other ex commie country but getting closer to the new millennium it changed fast.

I'm familiar with geopolitics and despise people who aren't, yet speak as if they are. Also for some reason standard troll >>600404 this thread turned into a Russia hatefest, I'd get on someone's ass if they tried to do the same to anyplace else. Ask any brit that tries shitting on argentina.

Are you legitimately retarded? Your very first words were lie and I pointed at it with official data. If I'd have nothing better to waste my free time at I'd disprove the rest of your bullshit, but since you were kind enough to start lying from the beginning we all may simply use inductive reasoning and post your well-earned leaf memes.

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Go use your important free time on shooting yourself in the foot so you can escape conscription.

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start

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

At some point 1/3 of your yearly GPD was EU subsides for 20 years…
You read that correctly not 1/3 of your yearly state budget (like Poland).
1/3 of the GPD.
In direct CASH injection mostly from France, NL and Germoney.
Even today the EU spends at least 1B € yearly in Estonia just out of the agricultural subsides and policy budget (special projects being out the yearly budget, it's hard to tell but in 5 years 2007-13 you got 1B € more for infrastructure).
Knowing that on last count there is only 1,319,133 living in Estonia. That mean that just that on average from 2007 to 2013 the EU subsided Estonia at basically 1000€ per people per year.
Knowing there is only 785 352 people in Estonia in age of working that the average wage is around 13k€ a year it means that the direct money transfer from the EU budget can hire around 153 000, well above 10% of the population.
Of course that's the DIRECT money transfer, a 1 to 10 lever effect isn't far fetched given the small population and territory, 1 to 4 being a minimum really, which means that the entirety of Estonia is in fact on the EU dole…
Has is reflected by the insanity of the state budget to GPD ratio (40% and you said you didn't like communism…)

If you had economical problem ON TOP OF THAT it would mean you started from Burundi or Banglandesh level…

It's Keynesian economics at works.
Of course the minute the payment stops you will go into "free money from Western Europe withdrawal syndrome" that is currently experienced by your predecessors Spain, Greece and Portugal, but unlike them that were numerous and built upon relative solid economical bases you probably won't survive the systemic shock that's gonna follow.
So do try to enjoy it.

Turns out you were right. Sorry. I guess it was either false statistics or something I misread some years ago. Although, this trend is basically universal and almost all of us are only contributing back 1/3rd that we are taking.

The viets didn't really give two shit about the Japanese given they saw them better than the frogs not to mention a bunch of IJA personnel stayed and fought the french and later the US. Militarily speaking the US did absolutely fine against the VC and NVA given they couldn't do shit other than die until the US went home in 73, funny how you think the US loses a war when they hadn't been in country for two years.

They're probably on edge because of that one time they let foreigners in and they took all the clay.

>main port the only thing bringing honest work into country in
I wonder if they'll destroy the infrastructure as well, as a symbol of "occupation" and colonialism.

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Given that statues of John A. MacDonald are getting torn down here because of butthurt redskins, we can hardly talk.

I'm not saying we're any better off, just that complete lack of historical perspective is not a good thing. For example I'd challenge the claim that soviet occupation was any worse than western occupation, at least the Soviets were honest about it.

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Wew. We were very prosperous when we fought off the commies and declared independence, and that prosperity would have only grown. If you consider endless amounts of concrete commieblocks "infrastructure" of course you would, """canadian""" then I guess you are right. The commies built zero fucking schools or libraries. All our notable schools and libraries were built by Baltic Germans.
Kill yourself vatnik subhuman. You are a disgrace to all Russians, and I wish that the white Russians executed your parents.

This is what a butthurt retard looks like.

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Absolutely canadian

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Peak judaism.

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Even dank leaf maymays are too much of a reward for you since the only thing you deserve is slow and painful death.

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That's a terrible image full of lies. Leafs wouldn't fo that sort of shit.
They'd have sex with their wife's son's dog instead.

I like that one

uhmmm… dawg…

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You really think the few edgy faggots with such low IQ that they'd support a foreign regime when their country is occupied by an enemy of that regime would be any help to Poland if they were alive? In order to drive home the stupidity of this, on the anniversary of your stupid grievance Putin killed a planefull of your (((intellectual elites)))…. and your country is currently experiencing a golden age directly because of it. It's ok, you don't have to thank him or admit all your butthurt beliefs for a century were wrong, he didn't do it for you.

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Streetshitters would get BTFO almost immediately.

Even with the mountains, edge goes to the antmen. They can just send wave after wave of corpses to bridge over the Hindu Kush.

Is this at accurate?

I don't see a problem with any of his points and his numbers seem right on first look.

Hooktube doesn't work anymore fam, if you want to keep shekels away from Google you have to use invidio.us now. Also bully codemonkey until he adds it to the list of embed sites.

It works for me (was on mobile when posting and am now) and seems to work for Greece. I’ll check on my PC after breakfast and just embed the jewtube link if it does work.

It works in that you can still play the video, but it doesn't work in the sense that you're not blocking views to jewtube anymore; hooktube just turns into a jewtube embed.