Muslim here. Prove to me how Muhammad was a false prophet, without using Hadith or Gospels. Just the Quran...

Muslim here. Prove to me how Muhammad was a false prophet, without using Hadith or Gospels. Just the Quran. Pro tip: Muhammad didn’t necessarily deny the crucifixion, he just said it was not their will (Jews) who crucified him. But the will of God.

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That was Muhammad who said that? I thought you believed it was God.
But what it says is "they crucified him not".

Why? If your a Muslim and I'm a Christian why are we using neither of our holy books? Don't get me wrong, I know Hadith isn't on the level of the Quran, but if you straight up don't care about them you're a Prot version of a Muslim so I can just wait till you apostatize on your own

Yeah no, you don't just get to set arbitrary rules of engagement here moslem infidel.

I have my doubts.
So, you're a Quranist?

This is why you will personally never convert a single person in thousand years

I have quranist tendencies yes

Muslims hold the Gospel to be sacred text. Torah, Psalms, Gospel, and Qur'an are the Islamic sacred texts. So, if I can't use Gospel, can I use Psalms?

If you're Quranist, then you're not Muslim. Quran tells you to follow the prophet, which means following the Sunnah. If you cast out the Sunnah, then you cast out Quran. If you cast out Quran, then you negate your Islam.

Come on over and join us. You'll be very well received.

Because Muhammad says the bible is true, since he thinks it was written by allah, and the bible says the koran is false. Even if you think the bible is false, than the Quran still agrees with it.

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Yes

But Quran says that Bible is tue

And believe in that I have sent down, confirming that which IS with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And sell not My signs for a little price; and fear you Me. S. 2:41

And when there came to them a Book from Allah verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize, they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers. S. 2:89 Shakir

And when they were told, 'Believe in that God has sent down,' they said, 'We believe in what was sent down on us'; and they disbelieve in what is beyond that, yet it is the truth confirming what IS with them. Say: 'Why then were you slaying the Prophets of God in former time, if you were believers?' S. 2:91

Say: Whoever is the enemy of Jibreel – for surely he revealed it to your heart by Allah's command, verifying that which IS before it and guidance and good news for the believers. S. 2:97 Shakir

But then funny thing happen. For quran says:
Sura 5:18

And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of Allah and His loved ones." Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).

And yet the Bible say:
Deut. 32:6

Is this the way you repay the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?

Thus Quran says that Bible is true but Bible says that Quran is false. Is Bible is true, Quran is false. If Bible is false, quran is false.

Uhhh, I actually can't. I can explain why christianity is more wholesome than islam though, if you want to listen.

The Torah, he says that is true. But the gospels? The New Testament?

The children of god point doesn’t convince me, give me something else

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Quran is like 16% of muslim doctrine, the rest is Hadit and Sira, but since you don't want us to use these in argumentation, we would practically fail in proving you wrong. It's like arguing about divinity and messianism of Christ without using the Gospels, but only the Torah.

Wrong. Hadith are not divinely inspired except for a tiny few.

That is way too badly researched I’ve watched it

Do you not consider the Torah/ the old testament as part of the bible?

Protestant Muslim here. Hadiths…some people made up stories about Mohammed to validate their BS. Thankfully I don't live in the Middle East so I'm allowed free thought and will and women aren't property I cover with a tarp. Ma! The meatloaf! Where is it!!!???

What was wrong with it?

It's a pretty simple formula with Muslims.

Holy texts: Torah, Psalms, Gospel, Quran
However, if anything in Torah, Psalms, or Gospel contradicts something in Quran, then Quran is to be used as the authority. This is because they believe the older texts to be corrupted and Quran is the "correction", as it were.

I suspect, however, that OP is just trying to troll, especially with the rejection of the Sunnah. I wouldn't think about it too much. Probably just got kicked out of /islam/ and lost his audience.

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It's in same family as a Sunni Shintoist or Or a Zen Amish

How about Quran lying about world around you?
Chapter 18:86 says: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found [Wajada] it set in a spring of murky water.
Or Qur’an 37:6-10—We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars—(for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil spirits, (so) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side, repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty, except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming Fire, of piercing brightness.
Qur’an 67:5—And We have (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with lamps, and We have made such (lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7

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Why do you think he was a prophet? I struggle to see anything impressive about the man.
When you read about Jesus, you can't help but be awed by him.
When you read about Mohammed, he just seems like a guy.

newfag here. seems to me god is having a laugh out of all of you.

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he liked cats tho
prophet material to me

That's actually the whole point of the Sunnah. Worshiping a Prophet is idolatry. Muhammad was just a guy with a message, not a divine figure to be venerated.

He probably just means a Quranist

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I've converted people before, including a Muslim, and I agree with him.

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Oh, okay.

Islam and Christianity have different g/Gods, this webm related. The webm you replied to shows why the Quran is wrong, according to the bible, God wouldn't mock people with the clear answer.

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The Quran was a bunch of shit Muhammad made up as he went along to justify whatever he was doing and can only be properly understood by knowing the context in which each verse was written. Three witnesses are saying your 9 year old wife cheated on you? Guess what, this new verse coincidentally says you need four witnesses so you're not a cuckold. Guests stay slightly too long at the your house and you're too much of a fucking sperg to tell them? Make some house rules and call it divine revelation.
The verses preaching peace are from his earlier career where he had fuckall for followers and no influence. After getting kicked out and realizing this wasn't doing very well, Muhammad became a highway bandit near Medina and used "persecution" as an excuse to shank passing merchants and steal their stuff. Eventually more and more people joined his semi-religious bandit gang until they had enough to either kill or enslave anyone who disagreed with them, and it snowballed from there until he was big enough to conquer Mecca and the rest of Arabia.

Tell me, why should I believe an illiterate pedophile from the most inbred ethnicity on earth was God's prophet? The worldview and theology he taught is a walking joke that only caught on because people wanted a piece of his successful highwayman career.

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If a pedophile warlord with no miracles and prophecies who misquotes the Bible is enough for you, I think that rightfully pointing to the importance of Muhammad's example as recorded by the earlies muslims is quite above what you are used to.

Muslims developed what they called Elm Al Kalam, which is basically how to argue for Islam without using any religious source material, Islamic or not.

This way you can argue for your religion without setting a source not necessary everyone believes in.

Is that Arabic for "beheading"?

So Christians can't discuss and can only insult others?

Muslims can't discuss and can only behead others. Your false religion was spread by and lives by the sword and nothing more.

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Read the Bible.

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I can play that game. Prove to me Jesus wasn't crucified and didn't rise from the dead, without using Hadith or Quran, only the Gospels.

Funny, because this is exactly how Mormons approach the Bible as well (I'm not Mormon).

he was a pedo goatfucker

Are all Muslims doing it wrong then? lol.

Because of all the prophets send down by the God of Abraham, which you (and Mohammed) claim to worship, not one was a ruthless conqueror like Mohammed.
They also were all Jewish.

Stupid trolls

Muslim consider Jesus a prophet but basically invalidate everything that made Jesus himself, which you can easily argue means they don't really consider him a prophet at all. Muslims consider Christians people of the book but believe their religion was somehow corrupted or imperfect, and this is another cop-out that fails to address the fundamental divide between Islam and Christianity, that is Jesus claiming himself YAHWEH. Muslim tolerance for Christianity, to the sad little extent Muslims actually do tolerate Christians, only exists because Muslims have invented an entirely different person as their own Jesus. The real Christian Jesus would be considered a heretic in the highest form according to Islam, which is precisely why they deny the crucifixion and resurrection. It's simply not true that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all fall under one umbrella and that Islam is the most perfected religion within that circle or timeline. Muslims have entirely skipped over Jesus and the notion that they're continuing the continuity of Abrahamic religion is false, if they have they have only branched off of Judaism.

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