It's apparently OK to be a white person who "identifies" as black. But not just any white person - Rachel "NAACP" Dolezal, a virtual fucking meme. She became famous in 2015 when she was outed as a white person pretending to be black. She was the leader of her local NAACP branch as well as an served in a capacity as instructor in some kind of Black Studies program. (She claimed to be a professor.) Apparently she also sued Howard University in 2002 because they allegedly discriminated against her for being…white.
WSWS has just published an article promoting a documentary about her and defending her insanity.
Furthermore, the related notions that one cannot “identify” with a race or ethnicity apart from one’s own and that the categories “whiteness” and “blackness” might as well exist on different planets are profoundly reactionary.
Fucking so? Who even gives a shit It literally hurts no one and matters to like 00000000.1% of the general population Except for screeching rightists though ;)
Kudos to WSWS for their forward thinking take. Both race and gender are social constructs. In 10 or 15 years, transracial identity will (rightfully) become acceptable and supported by the entirety of the left.
It is hilarious how right he is. There is no rational way to support transgender silliness without also supporting transracial silliness.
Isaiah Jackson
if you claim not to see the difference between transgender and "transracial" then you're either trying to be sneakily transphobic or just a fucking idiot
Adrian Brown
Neither of them are hurting anyone asides from Zig Forumss feefees so who gives a shit?
Michael Miller
Are you a race realist tranny or something? I think you should drop your spooks
"Transrace" do not exist because race does not exist. Gender is a social construct based on real sex "tendencies" among humans, while race is 120% a lie and not existing.
Jordan Ward
Agreed. So why shouldn't people be allowed to identify as any race they want and deconstruct race however they please?
Parker Taylor
This
Angel Smith
Tell us all about how transgender identity is common sense.
This is fucking hilarious, when can I identify as a transnigger dragon?
Aaron Anderson
Literally do it There is Literally no reason not to asides from spooks
Dominic Robinson
Race may be too broad a category, but specific ethnicity does exist, and its completely insane to believe that you can just pretend you're part of a different ethnicity than you are genetically. At least with transgender people there's evidence of a neurological origin for their perception, but "transracialism" is pure insanity, the final form of idpol.
Jesus Christ, I can't even tell if this thread is filled with Zig Forums or by reddit.
Andrew Allen
How is 'muh genes' any different than 'muh chromosomes'?
Luke Fisher
It isn't, what's your point? Both transgender and "transracial" people are experiencing a delusion, everyone with a brain agrees with that. The real disagreement is how society should respond to these delusions; should we let the people who have them identify how they want since it doesn't really hurt anyone and reduces mental anguish, or should we somehow treat them to prevent a possible spread of their almost entirely subjectivist view of categorization and its possible cultural effects?
Regardless of how they should be treated, their feelings that they are a man when they have XX chromosomes and female reproductive physiology, or that they are a Black African when they have no physical features or genes associated with that region's ethnic groups need to be recognized as caused, either directly or indirectly, by a neuro-psychological issue rather than a view that has ontological legitimacy.
Kevin Hernandez
It's a cultural issue, perpetuated by gender/racial stereotypes.
Joseph Edwards
It literally is, you fucking idiot.
Kevin Reed
The difference is that trans=real dissonance between what should be an harmony of the organic relationship between self identifyng and the difference in sexes. Race is a sham because yes there are ethnic differences, however "genetic race" and visible phenotype characteristics are almost completely unrelated to each other, and the same for genetics and ethnic differences. If I tan myself nigger and start chanting whatever stupid bantu song I am not "trans race" I am simply using cultural characteristics from a pool of a different culture first, and second by tanning myself nigger and saying i am a nigger inside I am associating niggers with that culture. That is the true racust part, "trans race" is inherently racist because it links le ebin skin color to specific cultural forms and it reinforces the idea that there are genetic differences you are born "in dissonance with". The "cultural appropriation" thing is the retarded part, nothing wrong with that, do what you want, rob the culture supermarket and even tan yourself or whatever but by sating "trans race" one actually defeats all the purpose of cross culture relation and racial stereotyipe despooking.
Eli Turner
Usually I wouldn't do something like this but in this case it's excused. If I cut my dick off like a woman and start chanting whatever stupid female gossip is popular at that moment I am not "transgender" I am simply using cultural characteristics from a pool of a different gender first, and second by cutting my dick off and saying i am a woman inside I am associating women with that culture.
Adrian White
Good thread
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Carson Perry
Race does not exist, therefore being "transracial" or "anti-transracial" makes no sense.
Wrong. This is the problem transgenderism has a real basis on the fact that there is a dissonance in how your body and mind works, since they developed in different ways
Isaac Bennett
That still doesn't prove that minds can be associated with genders.
Alexander Bailey
Race is as much a social construct as gender is. In your equivalency all you need to do is replace "real sex tendencies" with "shared local biology and cultural norms" and you got your material basis. By extension, someone calling themselves "black", or "white", or whatever flavour they want is their own affair. That is, unless you want to argue for some essential "blackness", which is corrupted by spooky race invaders. Of course, that would be TERF rhetoric except with race instead of gender.
Sebastian Collins
it's like the new attack helicopter meme but somehow even less funny
read stirner
i'm not a guy because my parents were both men moron, but i do have white skin, along with other superficial signifiers of "whiteness" because of my parent's genetics
Elijah Reyes
Mind can't be associated with sex but it can with gender, which are the performances in himan society that arise from sex. I agree a trans person should always accept he will forever be a biological male for some characteristics such of course genetic code, but the intrinsic traits of his mind that developed as a woman makes the problem a real biological one that is not simply cultural, even if a lot of things associated with genders are in great part cultural
You also have "superficial signifiers" of being a massive faggot.
Aaron Lewis
It is, retard.
Luis Mitchell
Gender actually has a biological basis so the idea of someone being 'born in the wrong body' has some merit, race is essentially a social construct which paradoxically is why I think it makes no sense to be 'transracial', unlike trangenderism, it's inherently political, and people like Dolezai and King want to be black because they want to assuage their white guilt and self-hatred in a way that's just destructive for everyone. I mean nobody on the left would say a man can't have a female-associated haircut or vice versa but when we get into race we get this idea of 'cultural appropriation' where King and Dolezai get stereotypical black haircuts in order to appear to have more credibility. I mean look at that OP picture, does Dolezai's hair actually look like that naturally like some black people? Of course not. Transracialism is not the same as transgenderism.
Easton Rodriguez
Dolezal had enough "superficial signifiers" to fool people for years. How, then, is she not "black?"
Anthony Clark
Sex is biological. Gender is entirely made-up bullshit.
Asher Clark
Just because you darken your skin and affect black speech, hair, et cetera doesn't mean you actually are black, do actors actually, literally become the characters they're playing at the time? No.
Okay, either way, whichever.
Parker Martinez
Kill yourself terf retard
Christopher Powell
Gender is entirely constructed on top of the material basis of genetic make up and neurological state. The exact same applies to race, where the material basis likewise does not correspond to the Idea of (the) race. Also, the cultural appropriation thing isn't about whomever adopting some cultural marker for their benefit: it's them adopting it at the expense of the group where it is considered an important element of that groups culture. Ergo: the complaint isn't that crackers wear Chinese dresses, it's that the act of doing so harming (in whatever way) the culture it is significant - that culture already being in a vulnerable position as an other to the dominant culture.
What exactly is this black essence you allude to? How would you define it? Can it be 'obtained'? Conversely, do men who: - Dress like men; - Speak like men; - Act like men; and - Seek out relationships with men; - Try to obtain positions, both formal and informal, as men; and - In any other way act like a man, but consciously do not proceed with surgery or treatment (or anything else to "fully become a man", or whatever)… not qualify as a man to you? What about inter- or nonbinary folks? What about people who willfully engage in a different gender as a temporary (but extended) experience? In general: where does acting stop and becoming begin?
Where is the difference with race? You mentioned the curious qualifier that someone's hair should look " naturally like some black people". How would you qualify this "natural" look of hair? How would you define it as "black" specifically? What about blacks who have naturally straight hair? By extension: what about albino blacks?
Daniel Powell
No? That just sounds like a woman who acts like a man and dresses like a man. Which is fine, gender roles are bullshit and people can do whatever the fuck they want. Why do you need to be a man to do "man things"? This whole idpol thing reeks of people doubling down on gender roles in an attempt to "be progressive". Just play with your fucking colored ponies or work construction without worrying about your tits or dick, jesus.
Ian Ward
Then what does? Biology? I defy you to define "black" in biological terms. Ancestry? Just what blood quantum qualifies a person as "black?" Race is every bit as much imaginary bullshit as gender is.
Yes, tranny, you are as delusional as Dolezal is.
Jeremiah Scott
stop being such a pedantic asshole
this is exactly what i meant about using it as an excuse to be transphobic
John Richardson
You just mean people who won't humor your delusions.
Jordan Watson
Wearing clothes from a different culture doesn't harm that culture in any meaningful way. If anything the opposite is true, it might be a way of paying homage to that culture
What the fuck is this thread. Have you all forgotten the core tenets of communism. Egalitarianism and freedom without oppression from anyone. It doesn't matter how much biological or non biological foundation trans anything has, if someone wants to tan themselves until they're black and call themselves black or want to cut their dicks off and inject soylent green into their bodies daily then let them. Shit like this is why I unironically advocate for mass forced racemixing, fuck you all.
Jaxson Ward
Because we still live in a world were people recognize race and in some cases get legal advantages. Aw shit I can't get into Yale being white? Guess I'm a half-black half-inuit now! I wouldn't give a single shit what people identify as if there was no advantage to being one over another.
fuck off back to reddit, logicfag, i've already made my point about why being transgender is different to just blacking up, and i really don't have the patience to explain it to people who clearly don't want to argue in good faith
Dominic Anderson
yeah ok
Angel Reed
They have too. It's that or give up trans politics in general and it's proven very valuable and exploitive so they won't.
Capitalism commodifies everything. If it can commodity a person or a religion, why not a gender or a race? They call it progress when really it's worse than reactionary bigotry because it just hollows the issue out into meaningless descriptors which people STILL discriminate based off of. I see no difference between someone being denied entry into a building for being a nigger vs this modern "you're automatically transphobic for being a cis white man so revleft ban" which btw glad those child molesters shut down. Hopefully the FBI is pulling out their teeth right now.
But my point is identity politics isn't going anyway. I don't even think they care about the illusion of right vs left liberalism anymore. It's why anti incels can sound just like baby boomers and social Darwinksts. Its why faggots can go on and on about "it's a private website"and conservatives can piss and moan about fairness and equality treatment while not actually doing anything about the central issue.
Shit is gonna get worse. And my advise is you all take advantage as best you can. Like me I'm trying to push the narrative incel and trans activism are one and the same. There is a lot of overlap in mental derangement and opposition to radical feminism…but it amuses me the notion of trans admitting they're just incels who want dick in their ass. Which I'd be willing to give them hence why I'm pushing the narrative.
Tranny implies the "cross dressing" part. Without it it's not a tranny it's just a gay fag.
Noah Harris
Abolishment of the class, money, and the state.
Carter Sanchez
Trans people just feel gender Diaspora, this can be solved by letting them take whatever societal roles they want. It’s society that forces them through manipulate to take sterility pills, saying if they want to act femine/masculine they have to take sterility pills.
Jaxson Robinson
again, not trans, just sick of people making disingenuous arguments
Jeremiah Butler
If you can't defend your semantics against first degree questions, it's not very useful. Per:
There are plenty of queer people who are fine with not transitioning. As another poster pointed out: it is about becoming whatever they want to become to them. To demand they fully transition, or adhere to whatever arbitrary definition is useful to you or is commonly accepted, is imperious and adverse. to answer your question: yes, and I've gone further than that. In response: have you spoken with nonbinary people about gender?
Caleb Murphy
Actually, this is apparently validating Zig Forums's beliefs even more than the existence of MtF trannies.
If being black is such a horrible burden in America, then why are people "choosing to become black"?
Christian Collins
Wrong read a book.
Cooper Bennett
Rawr, rawr, transnigger dragon here.
Give me all your wealth and gold, because a dragon needs his gold cave.
And you must give me your best flamethrower, because a dragon needs his flame.
Also give me free flight ticket for life, because if a dragon can't fly, it ain't a dragon.
Caleb Davis
Sorry comrade, I just gave all my money to some nice African men who asked for it over the internet. And I gave my flamethrower to a group of nice Islamic men promising to use it against imperialist white dogs. And I just gave away my lifetime subscription to a few Mexican illegals so they can fly to Canada where they'll be accepted away from Grolan Flumplequint. Wait a minute… You liar, Tolkein was a stereotyping racist. The greedy dragon stereotype isn't true. Nice try though Zig Forums.
Julian Rivera
Why you gotta be so racist, human? A dragon needs his gold cave, it's not about greed, it's about being a dragon!
Justin Young
>>>Zig Forums Gigs up. You got exposed now leave.
Andrew Gutierrez
Racist ass cracker, why do you persecute me so?
Also, give me a princess so I can put into my rape chamber, that's another dragon thing too.
Isaac Lee
Fuck you, Zig Forums, I'm not a cracker, I'm Greek, WHICH IS BLACK Go out on the street and pick up the first white woman you see, they're easy to fuck without needing to even ask.
Landon Baker
I want a goddamn cracker princess you racist piece of racist shit.
Bring her to me.
Carson Moore
Disingenuous? You mean pointing out that race is no more a physical reality than gender is? You mean saying that any identity based on a social construct is nothing more than a personal affectation? Or do you mean stating the obvious that "feeling like the other gender" can only be a delusion when gender has no biological reality?
Justin Wood
Social constructs exist they're just ideas and not material. They can affect the material though, like how the government is a social construct but has physical buildings and shit.
Ryan Bailey
Bullshit and waste of energy like this is exactly why the CIA had leftist groups infiltrated with 'new leftists', feminists and other SJW's. My fucking gott.
Blake Hall
The equating of simple definitions with reality itself is magical thinking on the level that not even creationists approach.
Evan Adams
In what sense do ideas exist?
Easton Howard
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Kevin Hernandez
In what sense does existence exist?
Hudson Walker
In the same way information exists, in the smae way that software on a computer exists. Granted dynamic network of electrical impulses and chemical reactions in the brain are more volatile and complex than ink on a paper or bits in a computer but fondamuntally that's the same kind of existence
Brayden Cruz
This only refers to the existence of dynamic networks that generate electrical impulses, which are no more ideas than the electrical charge generated by a battery is.
Jackson Carter
Ok that was badly formulated, the ideas would be the electrical impulses in the dynamic network.
Leo Peterson
That's right and this is beautiful my fellow citizens, we should continue to have very productive arguments about this sort of very important issues, let's listen and give our time to the mentally ill. Pay no mind to actual class discussion, all that talk about working classes and how the rich are exploitative it's all so 19th century anyway, don't you agree? well, I do and I'm sooo tired of it, it's good to see something fresh and actually important be discussed for a change, like, do angels have sex? and if so does it actually align with their gender? do they even have a gender? and what about their race? Now this is the real talk right here.
But those are still electrical impulses, protons and electrons, that will never metamorphize into ideas no matter how often you charge the dynamic network.
Brayden Cook
Programs are physical, either by being etched in a storage medium or electricity running through a volatile memory component. Software isn't ethereal at all, unlike ideas as purported in at least the tradition of dualism. Don't use references to IT unless you are absolutely sure the comparison is valid. That's a breeding ground for misnomers and very annoying besides.
