Technology:

Disgusting.

It’s a tiny paragraph you big baby. Less than a minute to read

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I read slow. Took me 20 years just to get passed Leviticus.

That is a silly thought, accidents don't have to be wrong.

We all know who.
Science and technology has been one of my main interests and I remember looking at old MT8600 or 6502 programs written in a few KiBs with all this music and effects, I remember thinking about where things like graphene, nanotubes, neural networks, artificial intelligence, genetic engineering could take us. But what do I get instead? Billions of manhours and dollars poured into making frameworks of toolkits of interfaces to connect other frameworks together to use neural networks to sell sex toys to drugged up debt slaves.

>pine trees? on my Zig Forums?

BYE!!!! BYE BYE!!! BYE!!!!
Put down that copy of MKultra ressentiment fueled schizophrenia and pick up some Raymond or Stallman. windows the pooh off. He did literally nothing to stop modern liberal CoC/systemd society. He only made any devolutional actions taboo. If you really want to do anything about it, you'd go after the patent offices and the central banks, because intellectual 'property' and cheap, infinite, zero-interest credit are what are fueling the whole machine, windows the poohing retard.

Also, The faith is inherently transhumanist.

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The "Clockwork Universe" is an old Classical metaphor, from what I gather

It’s not that accidents are wrong, it’s that they’re unpredictable, and it’s hard to believe that.

Soon you too will realize that man never really evolved since the fall of Eden. Technology and wealth just removed many incentives for fully blown tribalism like our descent ancestors. If there was any reason that our inventions were removed from our hands, no doubt that war will brew.

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CREATOR OF WORLD WIDE WEB PLANS TO LAUNCH AN ALTERNATIVE INTERNET
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IRIDIUM, AMAZON UNVEIL PLANS FOR SATELLITE IOT SYSTEM
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CHINESE COMPANY CREATES MEANS FOR SKYSCRAPERS TO PRODUCE THEIR OWN ELECTRICITY
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You're gonna have to back this up with some scripture my friend.

The tech tree isn't the problem, the main issue is that some of Miriam's competitors like the Procktor use their discoveries on Planet to engage in abomination.

Poor old Sister. The other main officers consist of a communist, a human experimenter, a liberal and a pagan hippie. The only other one who has any vague sense thinks using children as human shields is a fundamentally good idea. That's not even talking about Morgan or the other expansion leaders.

Vade retro Satana

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So TBL is making Urbit?

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no.

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doubt

death of the old and replacement with new heart and mind sounds pretty transhumanist to me.

hiss!! >:3 no uwu
lol I jest.

jews

I hope this is meant as a joke, because as an argument it is so pathetic. Christianity has literally NOTHING to do with the alchemical spirit behind modern technology, see pic.

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No, I'm not talking about BCI SSC/LW Kurzweil shit.
And stop being so "woo woo" about a caricatured value-positive technology. This whole image doesn't make any sense.

Where sorcerers do actually try to break reality up and put it back together how they want, technologists have rules to play by. Like the speed of causality, the measurement problem, or much to the chagrin of techno-singulitarians, the Bekenstein bound and its related friends regarding quantum bounds on information velocity, density, and computing processes.

Yet the same spirit against reality animates both their projects, the latter simply having found a more profitable technique.

Even the automobile was a catastrophe in light of its effects upon local communities and extended families. winnie the pooh all of it. We need a hard reset.

Technology is a useful tool. No more, no less. Unfortunately it seems like the faster technological progress advances the more humanities flaws are exposed. We're fundamentally a selfish and short sighted kind of being and when we wield technology that has the capacity to change the entire Earth we struggle to place our short term desires behind the long term consequences of them. Once again the Bible is right about the true nature of humanity and the consequences of pursuing a life of luxury and pleasure over doing the right thing.

It's unfortunate most people worried about global warming can't seem to make the connection between us literally driving the Earth to almost uninhabitable conditions and the brainless "Me want consumer products and eat more meat NOW" attitude of people who cannot and will not ignore their fleshly desires even if it means saving the world. Telling people it's noble and good to act like animals and follow their instincts was the worst mistake we ever made and we unleashed a monster we cannot control even when rationally we know this awful consumerist civilization is completely unsustainable.

And what "same spirit" is that?
How is technology against reality when it is based on reality?
So is any projection of human action into the external world categorically equivalent to any other?
So glassblowers with MS's making crystalline nanocomputers is the equivalent of Aztecs ripping out human hearts out of sodomised slaves and throwing them at idols?
There's just so many levels of what here

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The core of what I'm hearing is that "Humans projecting action into the outside world is bad."
Is this "Alchemical Spirit" in any of the encyclicals, catechism, or so on?

Yes, some details of my indictment are perhaps not immediately apparent. Only one example need be considered though in order to convey it.

Let us consider the technology of birth control, the essence of which is to hinder the reproductive purpose inherent to all human sexuality. Here the technologist conjures through a series of spells a piece of machinery meant to force any human will, if maybe not his, on a design of God's he in some respects finds wanting, the fundamental complaint here being that this is not something within his prerogative to alter, thus the charge of sorcery.

The glassblowers do no wrong, on the other hand, because it's perfectly natural for man to drink, and if some technology could be used in aid of this natural end than so much the better. It's only when the technology is used against the natures, human or otherwise, found in reality that it then becomes an evil.

It's a simple matter of checking a fact or two to show that technology arouse from the hermeticism of the Renaissance, hence phenomenon like the philosopher's stone.

We have the power to talk to anyone at any time on earth, yet we have never been so alone in our daily lives
We have the power to travel in a very short time in any time on earth, yet it has never been so difficult for nomad people to roam the earth freely
We have the power to heal any disease yet people have never been so weak both in body and mind
We have the power to learn anything yet we have never been so ignorant (of what really matters)

Just a couple of little ironies that are part of the satanic world we live in.
Also the user comparing magic and technology isn't wrong.

Technology isn't the problem though, it's the inherent nature of man. The idea that man isn't fundamentally flawed and can make the correct decisions in the absence of God is the ideology that led to our current state. In reality we're blind and need the guidance of God, without it we simply fall prey to the desire for immediate gratification, to avoid anything that infringes on our pleasure but ultimately is required for a healthy, functioning society.

But that does not poison the whole batch. The "birth control" is evil obviously (Paragraph 2370, CCC), but that is inherent to what the aim and product is of that. It wouldn't apply to say, defibrilators or SharkSkin (a nanotechnology that reduces the need for antibiotics in hospitals).
But it's not the technology or the technologist, its the intensions that apprehend him. The same parchment could be used to write a scroll of the Law, OR it could be used as part of a sorcery ritual. What matters is what the person writes and what he thinks.

So teleologicaly what is the verdict on things like genetically modified organism foods to improve nutrition (golden rice to combat vitamin A deficiency)? Is that teleologicaly inadvisable? Or gene therapy for diseases (i.e. haemophilia, huntington's disease, cystic fibrosis, and to a lesser extent, various neurodegenerative diseases and cancers)?
I'm not speaking as to whether they are practical, because GMO food is can interrupt natural ecosystems (but maybe solved with careful engineering?) and genetic modification of humans is probably impossible to crack with alternative splicing of tRNAs, the unpredictability of peptide conformation, and the fine balance of systemic feedback loops, but if it was technologically feasible, whether it is permissible canonically?

very big doubt. you could make some kind of argument saying that hermiticism influenced people who produced the industrial revolution and the liberalism thereof and that sort of went outward… but 1) that sounds verily like a genetic fallacy. Like do we through out scholasticism because aquinas cited greeks?
2) i can't seemed to find anything about "technology emerged from hermiticism"
3) it seems like a very suspect Zig Forums-tier stretch. like a meme magic thread. loosey-goosey guilty by association

marshall mcluhan showed us how certain media technology has power to alienate us.
For all of those things, it is because will has died

I think we're probably in some agreement that technology isn't evil full stop, but can easily be perverted, depending on the human will behind its realization. The cases you mention, at the very least, show how imperative wisdom is to such phenomena. It is here where we probably part ways, because I'm of the mind that we are simply not wise enough for these things, and would in fact be completely for a ban on most technologies. But yes, in the abstract I do agree with you.

Strictly speaking, it's not such a fallacy, because I'm not saying technology is inherently wrong because of its association to magic, but rather the pursuit of technology in spite of our real final end of being with God is, where what is evil about both groups, the earlier magicians and the technologists, is their transfixion on the material world and on worldly concerns. This is not at all a controversial statement.

That's why we have the Code of Canon Law.
I pray that Rome seriously bolsters studies of technoethics, bioethics, etc..Because the world is accelerating along untamed, and we're dawdling and delaying.

hopefully you don't do this, because then I'd be utterly useless in the neo-feudal agricultural world. I've spent my life studying physics, maths, chemistry, electronics, etc. at the expense of my formative physical development. I'd become the town drunkard or madman. Pic related.

transfixion on the material world and on worldly concerns
The pursuit of anything without perfect telos, pursuing not God instead the world. And who or what are they pursuing? well… i think you can answer that question :P
"For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?" ~ St. Matt. 16:26

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By that logic, so is booze, and other endorphine generating items.
But we don't consider a society that knows and permits how to make alcohol fundamentally evil.
The problem is the one who buys a lot of booze, and the culture that encourages getting wasted.
Just as dating apps aren't the problem, as a principle, but commodification of romance and casual hook-up culture.

But…I'm allergic to penicillin.

Alright, let's read some Stallman:
stallman.org/rms-lifestyle.html

What about it do you consider moronic?

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You're absolutely right about this. It's almost sinful negligence at this point.

Don't worry, fren, I'm powerless and actually derive no pleasure from forcing my will on others. I wish others could just see things as I do, but it's really for the health of society in general that it concerns me. But regardless of all that, even in their deepest folly, these things could never personally hurt me.

But this difference only arises because alcohol can be enjoyed in moderation, meaning that its use isn't intrinsically evil. But on the basis of natural law theory, the same cannot be said for birth control, and many other technologies. There's no way to use birth control "in moderation". And what's crucial to understand here is the theory of natural law, without which none of these criticisms could make sense.

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I don't know why people would drink for fun. It lowers your IQ.
And dating apps are I think problematic. McLuhan was right. And it commoditises romance into transactionality.

Good.
This is sort of a hot take, but penicillin will be viewed in a 100 years the same way we see trapening, lobotomies, and bloodletting.
Antibiotics are not a panacaea and to be this arrogant in the face of natural selection is asking for world-dead. Expect total antibiotic resistance all because doctors get paid for throwing antibiotics at problems. Also, we're rediscovering that microorganisms are not necessarily bad. Just that things must be in their right place. Germ Theory's evolution.

Stallman and Raymond are broken clocks (with Stallman being more broken). But that doesn't mean they aren't right sometimes. For me, these two are just a stepping stone away from modern technology, with the Austrians allowing you to do away with IP.
Also,
hee hee

Technologists shouldn't steer anything because they are humans. Humans shouldn't steer anything.

tbf, that's about 90% of people in modern west.

I don't understand that image :(
am i a stupid

So is Gerald Jay Sussman saying "Computer so called science actually has a lot in common with magic" real? Uh oh