BEWARE APPLE USERS: Apple CEO Tim Cook Calls For Internet Censorship

Blake Sanchez
Blake Sanchez

DO STORE BACKUPS OF OLDER OPERATING SYSTEMS: archive.fo/ipTmE

Apple CEO Tim Cook says that “dangerous conspiracy theorists” have no place on the Internet or on Apple platforms.

Cook blasted free thinkers and independent journalists such as Alex Jones after receiving the first “Courage Against Hate” award from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). He used his time onstage to blast those who spread non-mainstream views online.

“At Apple, we believe technology needs to have a clear point of view. This is no time to get tied up in knots. We only have one message for those who seek to push hate, division, or violence: You have no place on our platforms. You have no home here. From the earliest days of iTunes to Apple Music today we have always prohibited music with a history of white supremacy. Why? Because it’s the right thing to do. And as we showed this year, we won’t give a platform to violent conspiracy theorists. Why? Because it’s the right things to do.”

Theverge.com reports: archive.fo/Y6ddb

“Violent conspiracy theorists” refers to Alex Jones’ Infowars, which was removed from Apple’s App Store earlier this year. Jonathan Greenblatt, the ADL’s CEO, specifically mentioned Jones’ removal from the platform as a key moment in fighting back against hateful content, noting that Apple’s decision to remove Infowars led to its removal from other platforms, including YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook.

Much of Cook’s keynote presentation at the ADL’s “Never is Now” conference in New York City focused on the moral guidelines by which Apple operates. Cook reiterated multiple times that although Apple is a technology company, he understands that its mission goes far beyond designing hardware.

“Apple is a technology company, but we never forget the devices we make are imagined by human minds, built by human hands, and meant to improve human lives,” Cook said. “I worry less about computers that think like people and more about people that think like computers. Technology should be about human potential. It should be about optimism.

“We believe the future should belong to those who view technology as a way to build a more inclusive and hopeful world.”

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newspunch.com/tim-cook-conspiracy-theorists-banished-internet/

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Lincoln Reyes
Lincoln Reyes

back to the top

Carson Hernandez
Carson Hernandez

anti-slide

Aaron Reyes
Aaron Reyes

“We believe the future should belong to those who view technology as a way to build a more inclusive and hopeful world.”
As hopeful as those Chinamen killing themselves at Apple-sponsored sweatshops?

Elijah Collins
Elijah Collins

As hopeful as those Chinamen killing themselves at Apple-sponsored sweatshops?
Well of course.

Hudson Brooks
Hudson Brooks

I'd never use a new Apple product. However, an older Apple computer that would remain mostly offline? Maybe that would be ok.

Leo Cox
Leo Cox

jew does jew things

Grayson Anderson
Grayson Anderson

What does this have to do with the more important topic of the "Name Killcen's Cat Contest"?

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Eli Hughes
Eli Hughes

Shills are so desperate to censor killcen that they'll go to any lengths to ridicule, discredit, avert attention, etc etc.

Keep up the good work killcen, and never kowtow to the Black Bar Jew

Joseph Williams
Joseph Williams

Oh I know their tactics, I'm used to it, and no I'll keep making them hate me.

Aiden Morgan
Aiden Morgan

It only discriminates against white men, so I fully support their decision.

Isaiah Adams
Isaiah Adams

anyone who does not conform to my particular kind of crazy and who does not want to drown in fear and misery, but would rather have fun in life, is a shill
OK. Gotcha..

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Parker Morris
Parker Morris

I am not the one whos crazy. Think about this for a second, what I report is actual news, something that the corporate networks refuse to do now days: cover real events. And when I see whats going on, and things are not looking good, I get prepared for that, I'm ready if something bad happens.

Back in the day, that was known as "normal." Whats actually "normal" is now called "crazy" by lazy buffoons who refuse any kind of responsibility or reject paying attention to whats really going on.

So I'm not crazy, I'm normal. Society today is whats fucking crazy!

Joseph Gomez
Joseph Gomez

We're ALL crazy!
'Society' is made up of US. That would be you and me. Stop blaming society for all your problems. Your problems lie within, just as they do for all of us.
The craziest people I have ever met were those that did not know they're crazy. Some of us know we're all nuts. Some of us don't.

btw, the "Name Killcen's Cat Contest" is going well. Too bad you can't access half the internet because your tinfoil hat keeps blocking your path!

NAME KILLCEN'S CAT CONTEST
Survey here:
surveynuts.com/surveys/take?id=177178&c=5477635065PDNP

Results so far:
surveynuts.com/surveys/admin?id=177178&stoken=68346488153804&section=results

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Adrian Thomas
Adrian Thomas

I'll try accessing via a proxy site.

Jason Foster
Jason Foster

stop shilling your honeypot, mr. fed

Kayden Hughes
Kayden Hughes

Lol, for some reason it won't let me access the site. Fucking stupid site blocks certain browsers, maybe because they can't openly steal my info as I'm using an older modified hardened secured web browser? Or maybe it doesn't like the fact I'm coming from a VPN.

William Phillips
William Phillips

Honestly, I’m so tired of the rich patchwork of stupid that is White Nationalism, this seems okay. But don’t let anyone tell you our civilization isn’t based upon a set of religious ideals like every other before it. This can only end in a global conflict between competing faiths.

Jacob Jones
Jacob Jones

(((religious ideals)))

Lucas Carter
Lucas Carter

(((Google)))
<crimes of the bible
Sorry, there are no results for this search.

Dominic Cook
Dominic Cook

globalism is not a religion

How’s the weather?

Mason Gray
Mason Gray

Have you taken your male vitality pills today, comrade?

Daniel Ortiz
Daniel Ortiz

Yeah, it’s also called communism, socialism, leftism, new left, international jewry. Matters not since it’s just jewish. It’s all revolution and finance, the two prongs of jewry, whether left, right, center, since time immemorial.

Luke Martin
Luke Martin

Believe me, I'm way more paranoid than you could ever aspire to be, expect that my enemies are real, not imagined.

Angel Fisher
Angel Fisher

Ok, guy. Guy Fawkes.

Cameron Russell
Cameron Russell

Thanks for giving me cover, bro.

Daniel Miller
Daniel Miller

When all the smug players are publicly shitting the bed, I want to encourage them. They are asking to lose and become nothing more than a passing fashion.

Benjamin Myers
Benjamin Myers

Can we please ask Tim Cook to ban gays as well? it seems the right thing to do.

Nicholas Baker
Nicholas Baker

Nice try, but I ain't clicking your CP pots, fed scum.

Cooper Brooks
Cooper Brooks

Good luck censoring us. Weaponize it against thots.

Colton Roberts
Colton Roberts

I'm using a much more hardened OS than you, and of course I'm using a VPN. It's probably that your Mozilla browser sucks because it hasn't been updated in years because you're afraid you'll have tp retweak it. You're actually more unsafe that way.
I told you to run Brave Browser, and how to do that, on whatever distro..

github.com/brave/browser-laptop/blob/master/docs/linuxInstall.md

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Xavier Cooper
Xavier Cooper

<surveynuts
CP honeypot
OK. Live your life in fear like Killcen then..

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Jaxon Morris
Jaxon Morris

Jews are getting desperate!

Kevin Harris
Kevin Harris

You niggas make my day. One nigga says some shit about the latest 'fuck you' we're getting from the world, and one nigga fucks with him. My god, making a name your cat contest with a fucking tinfoil cat. You are a determined troll m8. I'm watching a play, and it's dripping autistic goodness. You turned "Don't worry man, you're just crazy" into something that has lasted years. The worrywart who posts relevant shit but misinterprets or worries too deeply about it and the naysaying tinfoil cat man.

Lucas Sanchez
Lucas Sanchez

You made my day too man!

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Jordan Rivera
Jordan Rivera

you're violent if you don't support antifa and leftist terrorism
you're divisive if you don't want to murder and censor all non-leftists
you're hateful if you don't think of non-commies as sub-human
no place for wrongthinkers; it's the right thing to do
Truly orwellian. I'm never buying anything again from that wretched company.

Luke Morales
Luke Morales

This is the proper way to deal with commie thugs.

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Grayson Foster
Grayson Foster

How exactly did you jump to that conclusion?? I'm all in favor of a good old fashion blood liable - but come on man for fuck sake add some basis to your claim - make it believable

Logan Miller
Logan Miller

I think the cat should be named Risperdal

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Ayden James
Ayden James

Or Haldol.

Jose Ramirez
Jose Ramirez

Yet I do not see your thoughts reflected in the survey results so far..

surveynuts.com/surveys/admin?id=177178&stoken=68346488153804&section=results

Of course you could change that..

surveynuts.com/surveys/take?id=177178&c=5477635065PDNP

Good job! Saw your entry.

We should all go and express our gratitude to Killcen for all he does for us.

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Jaxon Price
Jaxon Price

blood liable

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Jackson Wood
Jackson Wood

NAY

Lucas Collins
Lucas Collins

Neigh

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Brody Phillips
Brody Phillips

So YOU'RE the neighsayer

gotcha

Brandon Hill
Brandon Hill

Feat Don't Foil Me Now

Ryan Campbell
Ryan Campbell

Happy Down Dyndrome Daayyyy!!!

Guess WHAT ?
God made me Down Dyndrome and I Down Dyndrome!!

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Christian Hall
Christian Hall

From the earliest days of iTunes to Apple Music today we have always prohibited music with a history of white supremacy.
Oh, is that why right now on iTunes I was able to find many versions of "Also Sprach Zarathustra" by state-funded composer for the Nazi Regime Richard Strauss?

Parker Perry
Parker Perry

but you couldn't find the
Aluminum Foil Remix

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Benjamin Evans
Benjamin Evans

There are a lot of vigilant sane people like killcen on Zig Forums. Don't underestimate us. Most lurk without being heard.

Jaxon Turner
Jaxon Turner

We should all go and express our gratitude to Killcen for all he does for us.

If you want to express gratitude, please bump the REAL NEWS and discuss it. Every time I get back on here its pretty much all sliden (unless JN is bumping one of the threads).

Tyler Bailey
Tyler Bailey

Most lurk without being heard.
We are legion!!!!!!!!11111111111111

Jayden Watson
Jayden Watson

boomer news is not real news, fart box

Andrew Lewis
Andrew Lewis

Don't overestimate your numbers.

25 regular visitors here TOPS

lol @ you wanting to be 'part of something' so badly

Matthew Carter
Matthew Carter

Normally, I fucking HATE anything that has a 'knight' theme….

But I actually think I would like one of these…

Only $24….. and I actually kind of like it

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Cooper Hill
Cooper Hill

dresslily.com/autumn-and-winter-models-solid-product7098066.html

Only $24…… Interesting….

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Carson Walker
Carson Walker

I wish they had one in silver… But I think the black or the gray wood look pretty damn good

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Parker Barnes
Parker Barnes

REAL NEWS. Thats what I post.

There are, again, 10,072 here on a regular basis, most of them don't post but are here to read REAL NEWS.

Elijah Martin
Elijah Martin

I think I might actually order a couple

dresslily.com/autumn-and-winter-models-solid-product7098066.html

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Christian Lee
Christian Lee

bullshit

Jacob Rivera
Jacob Rivera

N
R E A L
W C E
S T G
U I
A T R U E
L

Blake Ramirez
Blake Ramirez

HINT: Zig Forums is nothing more than copied and pasted stories directly from the mainstream media……….

nobody needs to come HERE
to read the stories….

They're available ANYWHERE

of course, YOUR threads are
a different story altogether

Your threads are usually based on
pseudo-facts and partial truths
(but not always because often you're wrong)

but your threads are a performance art

the art of IRRATIONAL PARANOIA

Insanity….
needless fear
You're NOT stupid….
but you ARE insane

and I like you….

SHOW US PROOF THAT 10,072 PEOPLE COME HERE A DAY

you can't…. because it's untrue

AGAIN: Zig Forums GETS APPROX. 25 PPL TOPS

Joshua Ramirez
Joshua Ramirez

AGAIN: killcen, I like you

Michael Hall
Michael Hall

I used to be like you

Thomas Wood
Thomas Wood

Zig Forums is nothing more than copied and pasted stories directly from the mainstream media……….

Because of a mockingbird retard and TV-junkie. That explains that.

of course, YOUR threads are a different story altogether
but your threads are a performance art

Well, thanks. I try to be unique.

the art of IRRATIONAL PARANOIA

I'd change that to the art of REAL NEWS, because thats what news is supposed to do: cover and expose fucking corruption!!

Jeremiah Jackson
Jeremiah Jackson

and that's how I know

Evan Rivera
Evan Rivera

that you're nuts

Jonathan Cook
Jonathan Cook

you're an intelligent man

Henry Bailey
Henry Bailey

but you're manic

obsessive compulsive

Samuel Garcia
Samuel Garcia

(most hypomanic individuals ARE smart)

Adrian Cruz
Adrian Cruz

you're NOT schizophrenic

Kayden Ross
Kayden Ross

you've got hypomania

that's an organic disorder
a psychiatric disorder……

the Obsessive Compulsive thing
is a BEHAVIORAL DISORDER

Nicholas Cruz
Nicholas Cruz

it's not an insult, sir……

in fact, it's a compliment

Nolan Clark
Nolan Clark

and I joke about you needing meds

………………….you don't

Evan Allen
Evan Allen

what you DO need…..

Jose Gonzalez
Jose Gonzalez

is a CAT and a WOMAN

Luke Murphy
Luke Murphy

A cat….. because they're good luck
geniuses love cats…………
………………so do women

Jose Phillips
Jose Phillips

and having a cat will get you the
woman

Hunter Hernandez
Hunter Hernandez

I'm getting to old to get into another serious relationship user. I may even be older than you are, not sure. Fact is, I lived my life already, I don't need to impress anyone anymore.

Easton Rivera
Easton Rivera

who said anything about
a serious relationship?

it should be a SILLY relationship
because youll feel young again

(and please never call me 'user')

Jaxson Gray
Jaxson Gray

it's not about 'impressing her'

it's about pressing your crotch into her fucking face, when you're not in here, trying to impress upon people how important it is that they prepare

Ian Bailey
Ian Bailey

if there's
anything
that I am
not, it is
ANONYMOUS

Chase Ramirez
Chase Ramirez

So uh, what are your guys’ blood type?

Blake Ramirez
Blake Ramirez

I could do that to a prostitute if I wanted to, but I really don't care to.

Carson Gray
Carson Gray

gross

Samuel Clark
Samuel Clark

blue

Jonathan Thompson
Jonathan Thompson

You spend too much time on this site. So do I. This place is evil. It brings out the worst in us. It's cathartic to hurt and troll people, but it's wrong.
You're a propagandist and a schizophrenic, or at least you have the same kinds of delusions of grandeur thinking that your "efforts" accomplish anything IRL. They don't. It's just spam that you feverishly bump like a retard. No one cares. This entire site is dying. Jim is trying to do a pump and dump exit scam with his susucoin crypto garbage and retire with his underage hookers. Also, the ADL has this site under a microscope for a while now and the FBI regularly gets user info from Jim who bends over for them with no lube and no resistance. Half the userbase are spooks and angry kikes looking to shut it down and bust as many people as they can, or at least put the dumb ones who raw dog bare IP on eternal bad goy watch lists.
I like to troll them all. I already know they'll win in the end. They always win because people are morons. Kikes and their golems are well organized and have successfully fought these battles for centuries with just about every culture in human history.
White unity is a myth. /pol/ will continue to jerk itself off, accomplishing nothing and a few loose cannons will take things too far and end up dead or in prison.
It's always the same.
We all need to get out of this shithole and spend what's left of our lives doing something worthwhile.
Until then, I'll be trolling your boomer ass as best I can.

Hunter Rodriguez
Hunter Rodriguez

using Apple products in the current year
If you do this you deserve rape

Ethan Cooper
Ethan Cooper

he says as he posts anonymously

Camden Foster
Camden Foster

Aww, aren't you such a special widdle snowfwake

Sebastian Gutierrez
Sebastian Gutierrez

yeah, only like FBI, NSA, Micro$hit, Joogle, and few others know who you are.. there's no real anonymity in the Internet

Cameron Ortiz
Cameron Ortiz

So glad I bought a Xiaomi phone
Fuck Tim Cook the faggot

Jayden Lopez
Jayden Lopez

YAAAASSS APPLE! SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PUNCH NAZIS!

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Connor Gray
Connor Gray

At least thanks for the honeypot warning, that I already expected. As for me being a "propagandist" no, I'm not, I'm posting real news that pisses the hell out of all the corrupt alphabet gang agencies, the kikes, the TV junkies, the hive minds and the commies. I'd say about 70% of the site now fits these categories and I AM FUCKING GLAD AS HELL I AIN'T one of them.

Angel Martinez
Angel Martinez

Apple? Never.

Ryan Gonzalez
Ryan Gonzalez

If there was CP behind those links, they'd be worth something.

Noah Foster
Noah Foster

No, they'd be worth a trip to prison. Thats about it.

Ryder Smith
Ryder Smith

thinks women are for impressing
Or did you mean the cat?

Ryder Garcia
Ryder Garcia

Whoever, everyone keeps telling me what I should or should not post, or what to do, or what to say, or how to act….fact is, I don't give a flying fuck of what anyone thinks of me. Call me paranoid, call me an asshole, call me a redneck, call me psycho, whatever. I don't like this hive mind mentality these boards often generate towards. Thats why I don't go to /pol/ often, only to scour it for any legit news I may have missed out on.

Chase Richardson
Chase Richardson

I picked up a refurbished Macbook Air just because I wanted to try something different this laptop cycle.

After exactly 365 days (that is, 5 days after the 1 year warranty on all refurbished products) it started making a humming noise and then a pop. Never could turn it back on. Took it to the faggots at the Apple store and they said it'll be $500+ tip for a new motherboard. I said no.

This is my only experience with Apple it wasn't so good.

Grayson Carter
Grayson Carter

hive mind
regression to the mean
it's unavoidable

Brody Ward
Brody Ward

It's worth everything to Killcen! He gets to not only have help naming his cat, but he gets feedback about his board, /prepare/ !!!

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Blake Edwards
Blake Edwards

What did anons have to say about /prepare/? I cannot access that site because they discriminate against older browsers.

Oliver Bailey
Oliver Bailey

sage disintergrated

Logan Kelly
Logan Kelly

Can't you post the results here please? I take my time digging up older electronics and taking pics for other people, as well finding time posting these kinds of news threads, but no one will take a little time to post the results for me? Doesn't seem fair at all.

Joshua Rogers
Joshua Rogers

I'm hoping someone will post these results when the poll is finished. The webpage (maybe the whole site) is blocking my browser.

Thomas Perez
Thomas Perez

anti-slide

Kevin Gray
Kevin Gray

Apple sucks.

Justin Perez
Justin Perez

slide denied

Henry Scott
Henry Scott

This kind of REAL news will get harder to slide…. just wait and see. New revolutionary technology just deployed….

Levi Bennett
Levi Bennett

Alright.
I'll post the survey results tonight, so everyone can agree on the final 3 names. Of course, there WILL be a Final Poll to Name Killcen's Cat (to pick from the final three) starting tonight. Monday night polling will be closed and the Name Killcen's Cat Contest will be over.
But yes, I will post full results tonight before putting the top three names in the Final Contest.
And yes, the survey results regarding /prepare/ will also be published on here late tonight (my time – which may be Russia for all you know!)

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Chase Sullivan
Chase Sullivan

what is this thread about?

Josiah Martin
Josiah Martin

Apple Cook, Apple's CEO, is claiming they should 'modernize' (weaponize) their operating systems to kick so-called "conspiracy theorists" (read: any political dissidents) off their platforms and off their networks. Basically condoning censorship of anyone that doesn't conform to his ideology or hold his incredibly leftist beliefs.

So its only common sense to consider re-evaluating what kinds of Operating Systems you use if you are currently using or rely on Apple's software or services. Looks like party time is over for Apple's users as it was with Microsoft's users….. and now we have SJWs trying to subvert Linux as well, so you best have backups of older operating systems.

Ian Martinez
Ian Martinez

Apple Cook

I meant *Tim Cook

Samuel Walker
Samuel Walker

Baked or stewed?
I like my apples raw

Colton Parker
Colton Parker

Oh. TIM Cook now I see

Isaiah Ross
Isaiah Ross

what is this thread about?
Try to stay on topic..
It's about the "Name Killcen's Cat Contest."

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Samuel Bennett
Samuel Bennett

/prepare/ has been updated! Thank you to those who provided recent tips! New informative thread from someone else also pinned up.

Blake Jackson
Blake Jackson

Are you referring to ?
Or the Contest in general?

Daniel Brooks
Daniel Brooks

No, the actual /prepare/index.html board itself was updated. Now there is a new thread, created by someone else.

See here: desuarchive.org/prepare/thread/59/

If anyone knows anything about this topic, feel free to contribute to it while the thread is open [any spam will be deleted so don't abuse this thread].

Benjamin Miller
Benjamin Miller

Personally, I'd like to label this new thread "How To Grab Land Legally From The Government" but for now I'll keep the original title. I'll have to do some research into this, sounds a bit shady but it sounds like it could be legit.

Henry Moore
Henry Moore

growing weed behind sunflowers on government land in China
sounds legit
K..

Bentley Hughes
Bentley Hughes

Well thats shady, but I don't think thats the point of the whole topic at hand. The point is that if you incorporate yourself you can request land for research and development. What the legal stipulations of all that I have no clue. Hopefully someone will add to this or supply better information on that topic.

Gabriel Adams
Gabriel Adams

why are anons deleting their posts? suspicious!

Leo Barnes
Leo Barnes

It's the mods, dumbass!

Nolan Morales
Nolan Morales

Sorry, Killcen..

Well, you faggots really did it this time! You fucked up the whole "Name Killcen's Cat Contest".. Now nobody will ever see the results, and Killcen will never get to see what people thought of which topics on /prepare/ unless he makes his own survey, or I make another one. Some fucking nigger slammed the survey with so many responses yesterday evening that, without paying extra, the results will not be released. I ain't paying extra, so all you dweebs who refused to access it yourself, and were waiting around for me to post screenshots..
FUCK YOU!
As for you, Killcen.. I would feel sorry for you, but you really didn't give it any real effort. You let your fear, and yes, paranoia, limit you in ways that do not make sense. You've made your computer unusable and you will never be able to barter for shit, since you can't even find a toaster under all those piles of shit. I wanted to show you the survey results. You could have appreciated them. As it is, only those who took the survey probably accessed the results. There were 67 replies when I started tallying, then suddenly almost 150! SurveyNuts wanted money to give results over 100, so yeah, I'm displeased.
But, I'll make another poll. I will pick the top three cat names as they were last night before some nigger poisoned the well and ruined it for all of us.
This is why we can't have nice things.
So, the top three cat names were:
Andy the Faggot
Catpocalypse
Nigger
To pick among these three names visit the new and improved "Name Killcen's Cat Contest"..

surveynuts.com/surveys/take?id=177311&c=5481746893TRRH

And yes, I again asked about Killcen topics and threads, both on /prepare/ and Zig Forums also; so you can express your appreciation for him there again..
The winner will be picked either Monday night or when 80 votes have been made, whichever comes first.
You can follow the Results as they come in here:

surveynuts.com/surveys/admin?id=177311&stoken=68397792959842&section=results

ENJOY This Day!

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Easton Kelly
Easton Kelly

It is about the "Name Killcen's Cat Contest"..

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Brandon Morgan
Brandon Morgan

Steve Jobs was a douchbag and a bastard but HE GAVE A SHIT ABOUT PRODUCT QUALITY. He gave a shit about the user experience and he cared about the direction of the company and God forbid you screwed things up because his public firing of useless employees in meeting rooms was legendary.

Tim Cook is a worthless piece of shit faggot who cares more about installing genderless restrooms and MUH HURT FEELINGS DEM MEANIE WORDS than actually running the company.

Fuck him. Apple's quality has seriously declined since Jobs died. Their machines are becoming more defect-prone and harder to repair.

Owen Hughes
Owen Hughes

The older Apple products, like the basic Mac OS X with the DVD drive were actually pretty good PCs and had some kick ass software. I do have one of these, I use it for ripping/converting some of my media offline and it works great.

All the new Apple products are complete SHIT quality though. They phased out DVD burners, phased out keyboards and all the other necessary stuff, and more than half of the older software no longer works on the new systems. I would NEVER buy a new Apple product because of their planned obsolescence. The new Apple computers won't even open up properly to allow you to take out the Wifi card or the camera too, they want all that spy technology forced into their products which absolutely sucks. Fuck Apple.

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