RUSSIAN RUN SITE: https://thegoldwater.com/

Inb4 someone claims there is a red under my bed.
Its not the cold war anymore delusional lefties.

The only thing more red than the goldwater is Jim's nipples, from dragging on the sidewalk

Of course, because it bolsters their narrative about the West collapsing.
But do they or Russian state TV show protests in Russia? Do they give any coverage at all to the current main opposition figure Alexei Navalny?
You are a hypocrite and probably a poorly paid Russian shill.
Opinion discarded.

who really cares I mean the only people who wanted war with the russians were hillary and her supporters (AIPAC lobby)

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I feel sorry for Russian people. They have been slaves for their entire history to one strong man or another. Being a long-suffering victim is so ingrained in the Russian psyche and they have been dominated for so long that their Stockholm Syndrome is likely incurable at this point.

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its more like helplessness. a lot are completely self aware so they either just put up with it or save up enough to move to another country

commies have been successfully "pulling" that lever for far too long

I guess the media here in the UK banned life streams of the French protests because it counters their narrative that the west isnt collapsing.
No TV station that I watch has covered that guy. Probably because it counters their narrative that all Russian people support Putin and all have teh same opinion.
My friend, who is half cast went to the world cup in Russia. He was surprised how friendly the locals were as he had been primed to believe they were all racist. They gave hime a cool russian hat that he now treasures.
Or maybe just someone who enjoys watching the French riot and only had one option because the other networks ignored the protest.

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Fuck off. israel run site.

No she didn't. I think she's a slimy, lying whore. so don't think I'm defending her, but she doesn't want war with Russia. You've got to separate "tough rhetoric" from realpolitik.
The Clintons are in deeper with the Russians than the Bush or Trump family, but the bottom line is they all are in shady dealings with Russia because it's a mafia state that will give them cover as long as they play by the rules which are:
"Rattle your sabers in public all you want, but don't kill the golden goose that lays your eggs when you really need them." Putin knows the U.S. very well. In the end, he'll actually save his "enemies" with direct support and political cover to use as leverage for future favors or leniency.
Notice that because the U.S. is actually a fairly functional democracy with a decently high threshold of law and balance of powers that whenever Putin pushes too hard, there are sanctions that get put into force. But they never bite too hard on the Russian economy in a devastating way like the sanctions against Iran, nor do they ever target Putin directly. It's just a form of political pressure that's far preferable than using military pressure which could quickly escalate out of control. It's the same reason why you see only economic sanctions for Crimea and not NATO boots on the ground in Donbass.
The U.S. even just placed new sanctions against Best Korea even though Trump and Great Leader were practical sucking each other off on camera a few months ago. Sanctions are a bargaining chip and a way to virtue signal "toughness" to the public.
It's all a game. There are no "good guys" in this drama.
thehill.com/opinion/campaign/373363-democratic-ties-to-russia-are-ample-and-often-ethically-dubious
washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/02/13/the-media-is-ignoring-ties-between-the-clinton-campaign-and-russians/

The Clitons have shady dealings with every country.
We would definintely be in a proxy war with Russia in Syria now if Hillary or any other neocon hawk had been elected.

I did notice that when I posted this link in a comment on the Goldwater, it got deleted.
propornot.com/
Try it yourself.

I doubt it. The Pentagon has far greater power and influence in Congress than people realize and the top brass know full well that Syria is a dead end Vietnam 2.0.
Even Putin doesn't really want to be there.

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Syria is already a failed state in all but name and appearances on Syrian and Russian state TV.
It's another example of an endless conflict with no clear winners. No one wants to be there. I'm sure even Assad is honing his exit strategy to somewhere comfy where he and his family can hide with all their money.

8ch is literally worse than reddit now, jesus christ

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They have pipelines to build through the region that would make more than enough money to buy off the entire pentagon ten times over.

The middle east in general is an endless conflict. But if you watch the syria threads on Zig Forums you would see that the government has got back control now and ISIS just has one tiny region with like 50 people.

Im quite certain that at the very least, Clinton would have continued Obamas funding of ISIS in the region.

And just to add, being funded by the US doesnt just provide a material benefit its great for morale too.

I honestly wonder how many resources the Kremlin puts into influence operations on this site. Chans are an incubator and amplifier of new political memes that eventually spread out over mainstream social media, so it makes sense to have a presence here, but the "viewership" is 8ch is paltry compared to the big dogs, so I'm sure it's no more than a few people who monitor and shitpost on Zig Forums and, to a much lesser extent, this board.

I think at this point the muh russia hysteria is like gamergate. Where it only exists in the minds ot certain histrionic people on twitter.

Right, because a smart and capable nation like Russia with a long history of subversion and propaganda from its Soviet era who is currently led by an ex-KGB officer has zero interest in influencing how Westerners perceive Russia and world events.
Makes total sense.

try from the medieval times. subversion and propaganda have been part of russian culture since the beginning

As I understand it, Russia is a large country with various factions pulling in different directions. To suggest that they all share one opinion makes you automatically wrong.

Im trying to think of one country that has never engaged in subversion or propaganda.

but none have any made it part of their military doctrine like russia. most places have it as a side project. propaganda and subversion is russias bread and butter

No one is claiming all Russians have one opinion, but you are naive if you think the Kremlin is schizophrenic in its approach to pushing certain narratives to the West.

I dont really see it as different when you make it a separate agency like the CIA.
Here in the UK our security agency is called MI5. M stands for Military.

Actually schizophrenic is a perfect description. From my understanding of things.
Obviously if you have some facts to share that contradict that I would be interested.

Maybe in its "nothing is true" "no information can be trusted" playing both sides approach, yes, but they do have unified goals, but what they are is obviously closely guarded. The Kremlin is not a paragon of dissent and differing opinions and to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

If that is true which is hard for me to say without you providing evidence then things have changed massively from the soviet era.

One of the big problems the Soviets always had is that there was far too many state entities pulling in totally different directions.
So for example in the space race NASA coordinated many private companies to build various components but ultimately the head of NASA was in charge and he set the specifications.
In the USSR, there was a number of competing space agencies that routinely undermined, contradicted and overruled each other. It was more about the personality of the top guy in charge, what his personal opinions were and the contacts he had within the party.

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I've got an excellent idea….

Why don't you pack your shit and get the fuck out of here, and go find someplace else, bitch?

I don't remember anybody requesting your presence in the first place….

I get your point and, ironically, the Russian space agency is still a shit show, which is a shame, because I'm sure there could be 1000 Elon Musks in that country if it wasn't such a corrupt shithole.
I think the main objective is simply to demoralize the West and make everyone lose faith in democracy because then it makes attacking Russia militarily or politically look pointless and foolish and, domestically, the Kremlin can sell the chaos to its own citizens as proof that "color revolutions" in Russia will only make things worse which is probably true

I don't think you actually have any real understanding of the definition of schizophrenia…

Schizophrenia is indicated by the belief that one's life is being controlled by an external force

Exactly how would that describe Russia?

lol yet NASA has been relying on them ever since they stopped the space shuttle program…

A majority of work in and on the International Space Station has been accomplished by the Russians…

It's hilarious watching you dig a hole for yourself

actually, THE most common faux pas in psychology is when uninformed people confuse schizophrenia with Multiple Personality Disorder…

Schizophrenia is an Organic Psychiatric Disorder, where the patient thinks he is 'under the control' of an unseen external entity…

Multiple Personality Disorder is a BEHAVIORAL DISORDER, meaning the subject is simply BEHAVING oddly to cope with unresolved issues from the past….

At least try to hide your obvious butthurt, Ivan. If all your got is your knee-jerk whataboutism, no one is going to take you seriously. There is no comparison between the Space industry, public or private, of the U.S. and Russia. The Russian space program is a shitshow, but it has nothing to do with Russian technical competency, which is what your butthurt comment is trying to highlight. No one doubts that Russia has brain power. Did you just ignore the rest of the comment about how Russia should have 1000 Elon Musks by now?
The reason its a shit show is the same as its always been since Soviet times, mountains of pointless bureaucracy, no one wanting to take responsibility of pointing out problems and making their own lives miserable in the process, and all the other symptoms of a corrupt and pillaged culture of decay.

Why is it so crappy then?

lol that probably defines a lot of people on twitter. But your right thats not at all what I was trying to say.
I meant multiple personality disorder. Where each personality has different goals and ways of doing things.

They do love making us look silly. That is one unifying goal I cant argue against.

Look at the people they funded during the 2016 election. Trump, Bernie Sanders, Tranny rights organizations and Black lives matter.
They even promoted pro and anti muslim activist events in the same town on the same day in Texas. That is good trolling.

I once saw a documentary on Schizophrenia and it was one of the most tragic things ive ever seen.
If your severely disabled in the body then at least you have your mind. If your medically schizophrenic you just live in a state of confusion and fear for your entire life.

The only thing more red than the goldwater are* Jim's nipples

The only THINGS* more red are* Jim's nipples

The only THING more red is Jim's nipples

rename Zig Forums to CHANRANIUM ONE

It's rather moot when the U.S. is becoming a top exporter or oil and gas and, besides that, renewable energy is going to bring countries that rely on oil and gas revenues to its knees.

Ask a college English professor to confirm the correct grammar.
I know it seems wrong because you're referring to "thing" which is a plural noun, but the object you're comparing "thing" to are Jim's nipples, which is plural.

>referring to "thing" which is a singlular noun*
sorry, my bad on that one…didn't proof read my own comment

The only thing (singular) more red than the Goldwater (singular) are Jim's nipples (plural)

(because he keeps stepping on them)

Or rolling over them in his 'Rascal'

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i don't get the joke

wired.com/2014/10/content-moderation/

Единственное, что более красное, чем Голдуотер, это соски Джима.

That's because it's not actually a joke… It's not even humor, by the farthest stretch of the imagination

The US can supply western europe with oil and gas but it has to be transported there on big expensive ships.
Plus, its always sensible to have more than one supplier for your energy needs.

As it stands right now one word from Russia and Germanys car plants would come to a halt. Along with their economy. That means Germany cannot stand up to Russia in any way. Germany couldnt get involved in Ukraine for example and had to let them take over Crimea because Russia controls the German energy supply.

People said that 30 years ago but it seems further away than ever.

Its a reference to Uranium One. The really dodgy contract where the US gave its Uranium supply to Russia for a fraction of its real value.

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Yes indeed… Russia exports 4 times more oil than America and as far as renewable energy goes, it turns out it requires more power, fueled by petroleum products then what you can produce with the renewable sources… That's all a bunch of bullshit. They simply don't work because they're inefficient as shit

I don't think you know how exponential progress works. It's not going to take 30 years for technology to make fossil fuels obsolete. More like 10. Ten years from now, the entire world will be virtually unrecognizable. Just think of how different the world was ten years ago.
Transporting stuff on freighters isn't expensive, which is why most international shipping gets done that way. The U.S. can easily ramp up R&D when its dominance is truly threatened. Even in the 1940s, the U.S. had factories which could pump out complete battleships and bombers in one day
There has been speculation about new kinds of airships that could make container ships obsolete, but there's no real economic incentive to develop them at the moment. If the metrics change, then you could see that developed and implemented very quickly.
Germany is not going to allow itself be economically blackmailed by Russia. They mostly maintain trade relations with Russia to keep politics as neighborly as possible, not because they have no other options.
Putin would never be too stupid to actually pull that kind of trigger on Germany because he'd wreck himself in the process, and Germany knows this.

Anybody who believes that America is becoming the world's largest oil exporter probably also police that Trump is going to make America great again, and that our economy is really looking up…

10 years from now the world will be unrecognizable because of Technology?

That's what they've been saying since 1956 oh, and it's complete bullshit…

Sure, we've seen the process of personal computers and microwave technology… But the Curve has balance off, end the world is still completely recognizable….

With the exception that everybody is walking around with a smartphone in their hand uploading photographs of their tennis shoes to Facebook

If the world was going to become unrecognizable thanks to technology, everybody would have had a flying car by 1959

You're really naive if you really believe that, fren.
Even if you zoom out more to just 100 year, the world has changed in so many fundamental ways that just feel "normal" to you because things change so fast now, people adjust to change faster too and tend to minimize the impact.
Everyone was impressed when Deep Blue beat Kasparov at chess back in the day, but when AlphaGo becomes world champion in a game infinitely more complex than chess, people just shrug.

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Apart from miniaturisation, things havent changed much in 10 years.
Theres a lot more cars on teh road. A lot more people crammed in to my country. All the problems of overcrowding.
But the principles of the things we use havent changed at all.
Take apart an electric motor today and take apart one from 50 years ago. The only difference is some parts are smaller.
I install speakers. There hasnt really been any advances in speakers since thiel and small in the 1970s.

Elong Mustard said flying cars will never be a thing because all engines that compress air to provide thrust produce at least 100 decibels of sound.

Global travel will be dominated by hypersonic subways and rockets, both by Elon's companies.
Elon is God.

That kinda proves my point.
Musk will allow his followers to believe anything is possible. But he specifically said we wont have flying cars and hasnt made a flying car company.

Who unironically talks about flying cars these days, anyway? That was a sci-fi fantasy from the 1950s. The only reason anyone cared about it then was because cars were the dominant mode of transportation.
Flying cars are like cordless telephones. They are both sci-fi fantasies which are only suited for the dustbin of history, but at least we actually had cordless phones for a while.

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Musk.
Now you mention it everything he does is a scifi fantasy from the 50s.
I just find it intersting when hes saying something isnt possible and shouldnt be tried.

so is zerohedge and yet you lot trust it to be real news anyway, your point?

I guess the point is you should assume every news outlet is biased and instead try to isolate the facts from the rhetoric.

no reply to this ?

His favorite snack is an apple.
The fruit she loves most are apples.

Right, but that's sort of my point. If only Musk is talking about flying cars, then no one is talking about it.
In the 1950s, everyone was talking about flying cars.

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I skimmed it. Not really surprising that big media platforms hire janitors. What was your point in posting it?

LOL shill mod anchors thread even though there's active discussion going on.

Have you seen the live map they always link to with all the battles and stuff?

SHUT IT DOWN

if thegoldwater is the best the Russians can do I feel pretty safe. we should nuke them asap and get it over with.

it's just that Zig Forums is in the Phillipines… and here's a thread about it being under Russian control but apparently there's rooms and rooms full of people contracted by Facebook and Twitter to censor the internet in the same country, and it's done because the Phillipines is basically or used to be a US colony so apparently Phillipinos know what to censor and they can be paid a lot less

From what I read it just seems like they remove gore and other general spam, not some kind of secret political influence campaign.

yeha i'm sure it's all kosher, like everything facebook and Twitter do

and it's good, there's obviously heaps of oversight and if anything goes wrong they can always investigate themselves and report no wrongdoing