Christwave

I love the whole vaporwave aesthetic, unironically. There's an element of hiraeth to it (also using that word unironically, screw you it's an excellent word) that just feels super right. I also feel like Christwave would be an awesome subversion of it.

Basically, the point of vaporwave is to make you nostalgic for an idealized past that never really existed. There are already movements like fashwave, which I enjoy as well, about subverting that into unironic idealization. I think in the latter camp Christwave could be a strong movement, sort of a memento mori type thing. Weaponize the nostalgia for the past in remembrance of what has happened for us, and what we are forgetting. Anyone else jive with that?

Tl;dr post christwave, all waves accepted as basis but pic related ideal genre

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I feel like vaporware is pretty spiritual, apocalyptic as well. Like lifting the veil on empty 1980s consumerist culture, the low pitched singing and spooky samples make you realize that something is wrong, that life is more than endless self gratification and consumption

no its shit for weed gang gamers

it is a kiddie fad

Yeah, in itself I think there are some valid criticisms, but also I unironically agree with some of the things it tries to mock as well. The look is killer.


It definitely has an appeal outside its philosophical merits, it looks nice. That doesn't make it devoid of its artistic intent.

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The second two are more tradwave, I hope you don't mind.

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Neat idea.
If they stick to direct quotes from Jesus, the Holy Spirit will give them more power.

Somewhat related:
Christwave fashion?

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What did felix mean by this design?

his favorite clothing brand is called heresy
i'm guessing this is theirs

Really dig that second one a lot. The subtle ones I find have a lot more punch visually

I agree. I love that kind of statue as well. Circumstances allowed me to visit the Vatican City earlier this year and it blew me away. They had the same sort of figures of angels lining the bridges and tops of buildings. Few places have given me that sense of awe and sorrow for bygone ages.

Not the greatest in terms of inspiring righteousness but I like the implication of self-sacrifice

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All right this is it. If you like it I may try to find a tradwave folder to post more stuff.

I like it. May our children's children children treat these images with awe and respect to make their art like we do to with the powerful work from our past. Timeless.

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could not find the tradwave folder so here's something I found. If I manage to find the purely tradwave I will post it too

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Yeah I hope people get back to their heritage. Once you lose it it's gone forever. A timeless loss it would be

For the most part, yeah.

Vaporwave, and it's associated subgenres are basically a combination of sincere nostalgia, and an ironic hipster appropriation of 80's to early 90's era elevator muzak and soft rock/r&b and smooth jazz (with some subgenres like Future Funk specializing in 80's J-pop with a dash of French House.)

I'll concede that some of it is fun to listen to, but a lot of it is painfully lazy recycling of older material. A lot of Vaporwave "songs" are just 80's muzak or soft rock essentially super slowed down, or with very extremely minimal alterations to the point where it might as well be the same song. (Vaporwave's most iconic hit, "Bunch of pretentious Japanese writing 420" by Macintosh Plus, is literally just a Diana Ross song, super slowed down with some very minor edits and barely noticeable adjustments.) The alterations are often so minimal, that a lot of Vaporwave artists on Youtube will not even directly credit their source material for fear of being copyright struck, and you have to literally search the comments section for the source. Only recently have some Vaporwave videos started having their sources forcefully listed by Youtube in order to credit and monetize the original artists.

I find the whole "Vaporwave is a deep and profound critique of capitalism and consumer culture of the 80s" to be a bunch of pretentious pseudo-intellectual bunk. For example: did you really get that opinion just from merely listening to slightly chopped and screwed elevator muzak, or did you read up on the so-called "artistic intentions" of the Vaporwave "movement" on a "About" Wiki page or from a "History of" video? And this:


Put down the thesaurus and just use "nostalgia", or "homesickness" or "longing," if you must

And that's it: Vaporwave is just 80s to early 90s nostalgia with an aesthetic that boils down to messed up VHS tracking and neon colors (along with some early chintzy CGI, Japanese writing, and Sega Saturn covers thrown in here and there) and an ironic appreciation for obscure department store muzak and Adult Contemporary radio of the era. Viewing it as anything more than this is just obnoxiously pretentious and silly

There's more to it though. There's definitely a pretentious undercurrent, and I don't think it says as much as it says it does, but it also says more than it seems from the end you stand on as well. Anywhere there is nostalgia there is a why, and the why behind the nostalgia is what the aesthetic is meant to invoke. As an artistic movement (i.e. not just individuals on youtube or whatever just making stuff that sounds vaporwave) it definitely has questions to ask, though its definitive statements are often muddy, and purposefully so. All of those elements are very specific to a time and place, and if you've ever explored abandonment from that era, or places stuck in that era, and taken the time to appreciate where you are, you'd know there is more to that feeling. Hireath is the exact rigtht word for it, which is why I used it. It's more than homesickness and nostalgia, it's an existential longing to go back to something you're unsure you ever really had. It's about longing for that ideal that's just close enough that you think back and can't tell just how much of it was worth missing in retrospect, but you know it's worth idealizing anyways. It's more than the sum of its parts, however shallow the parts may be.

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I think the nostalgia craze embodied in Vaporwave is the perfect storm of two things:

1. A lot of kids who grew up or came of age during the 80s/early 90s are entering into that age range of adulthood where feelings of nostalgia are starting to hit you like a mack truck.

2. I legitimately think that the 80s/early 90s is quite possibly the last great major significant cultural/aesthetic identity period in America.

I look at the decades like the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s. Each of these periods have a very distinct aesthetic and cultural feel to them. Whether it be the jazz, big band, flappers and gangsters of the roaring 20s, the "Bugle Boy" singing wartime girls and traditional pop and appropriately worn fedoras and suits of the 40s, the bobby soxer greaser do-wop and rock and roll of the 50s, the hippies and psychedelia of the 60s, the disco, bell bottoms, and decadence of the 70s, and of the course the new wave, post-punk, synth-pop, big hair, MTV music videos and neon colors and over-the-top action flicks of the 80s and early 90s. Each of these decades/eras have a distinct identity.

Then sometime around the mid to late 90s, it feels like culture has either outright frozen, or has only changed in incremental unnoticeable ways since then. Overall the music, fashion and aesthetics of the 2000s and 2010s feel like nothing more than slightly altered iterations of what was going on in the late 90s. The closest thing I can think of as an aesthetic of the 2000s and 2010s is….maybe emo and scene kids? Which are nothing more than iterations on the Goth scene from the 80s. Other than that, people are still basically wearing T-shirts and jeans, or polo shirts or button downs. Maybe man-buns were a thing for a while? The point is, in terms of coming up with something aesthetically/culturally significant from the 2000s and 2010s, I'm really reaching hard here. Even most modern indie rock is essentially some variation of post-punk, synth-pop, or garage rock revival. In other words, regurgitations of essential 80s (or in garage rock's case, 60s) genres.

In short, I think the youth part of this nostalgia is that, like I said, the 80's/early 90s was the last period in America with a real cultural/aesthetic identity; today's youth are closes to that era, especially thanks to being able to easily access such music via Youtube and Spotify and the like, thus they are lacking on to it; sensing in it that missing something that is not present in modern culture.

So maybe you're right in that our current generation are picking up on something that is there that isn't in their current culture. I still think the so-called "critique of capitalism" aspect is bunch of hooey.

*closest to that era

*latching/locking on to it

Does anyone have the one with Jesus on the cross that says I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD.
A guy from Discord made it and posted it on twitter but it's gone now.

nevermind I found it

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Actually really agree with most of that,m it's an interesting perspective


Definitely, we can agree on that. I think to some extent it tries, but like typical leftist art it fails because it's trying to invoke something ironically that is loved unironically. People miss the innocence of the commercialism of that era, and in that respect I'd even say vaporwave failed. People instinctually long for pre-political commercialism. It was shit back then, sure, but today it seems quaint and reminds us of being kids.

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My stance on "—–wave":
I do not think 80s and 90s were a great era. I do not think the art was great and I do not feel any particular nostalgia towards it. I dislike it mostly tbh. But I like this tradwave style because it recreates actual art into a modern frame. Statues/architecture/icons/paintings, you name it. It looks hip but still carries a strong message thanks to adhering to traditional art.
Is there "cringewave"? Of course there is. But that happens, I just do not download those. There are fine things among some garbage.
Well to be quite honest I listen to just 2 artists and I do not consider the music to be high level art. However some tunes are quite cool sounding and I prefer to have them at hand when I study, read books, because they make a good ambient music. Sometimes they have great titles or even speeches in them.

I would say I prefer it for other reasons than guys that posted here. I like the aspect that it can convey traditional message through modern world. Kind of as if your grandpa was suddenly young and hip but still held the values of his age.

Retarded.

The return to the Analogue Era/Pre-Digital Age Futurism is, one might say, creative white flight– The success of the John Carpenter's return to Halloween vis-a-vis Predator underscores this; likewise the astroturfing of Lucas in tigger Mouse Star Wars. Vapor wave in particular is completely absolved if just viewed as ambient (which it largely is.) The textures/source material themes synchretism does achieve movie soundtrack levels of mood immersion when it is done well; – the best case for the consumerism subversion argument is fun/useful at least (even that isn't quite serious, or the mission statement of the genre from the outset.)

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