Unironically what did he do wrong? I used to think it was a meme that he was great but he is honestly came closer to Communism than any other previous society on Earth:
Inb4 “it’s utopian socialism reeeee”
Pol Pot Thread
Parker Collins
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Julian Torres
funded by the cia
Carson Young
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Lincoln Barnes
Proofs or fuck off. Stop peddling lies you red liberal faggot.
Leo Gutierrez
This is said so many times yet no proof is ever offered. Why not just say he wasn't a Marxist? He obviously wasn't yet you Pol Pot-hating retards always go for the unproveable route.
Read the Black Papers. Pol Pot knew what was up with the Vietnamese and their aggressive ambitions in Indochina. He was proven right (again)
Isaiah Jones
Glasses girls are the cutest!
Hunter Collins
Christopher Cox
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Levi Foster
So you don't think destroying the MoP and killing intellectuals based on if they used glasses and how marked their hands were from working the land is retarded?
Ryder Cruz
You can't have capitalism without the MoP
The towns were foreign-dominated centres of corruption and oppression full of alien influences. They were parasites plain and simple. The nation was (as it should have) identified with the Cambodian peasantry
Xavier Thompson
And you can't have socialism without the MoP either. So then "Democratic" Kampuchea wasn't socialist.
Sebastian King
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Angel Watson
Define what agrarian socialism is then.
Asher Gutierrez
The CIA did actually fund the resistance movement against the DRV that occupied Cambodia and Pol Pot was the leader of the resistance group. Aside from that he ran literal concentration camps, killed about 3 million people which was about 1/4 of the population. Pol Pot became so paranoid that near the end of his reign he killed off a vast amount of his inner party officials for expressing slight disagreements with him.
Matthew Brooks
He appointed the former monarch as a figurehead head of state. And after the invasion he formed a provisional coalition government with liberals and monarchists.
Jordan Allen
The point of communism is to liberate and support people. Improve their lives. Pol Pot did the exact opposite; he slaughtered a quarter of his population, gave half of those remaining mental scars (literally 50% of the people who lived through the Khmer Rouge have PTSD), and destroyed the education system, healthcare system, and more in ways that still haven't recovered to what they were in the 1960s.
Pol Pot was a monster. Supporting him is much more damaging to the left than denouncing him for what he was. If you think he was in any way good, you need a reality check. I'm on the left because I think it's a better system. He created a worse, hellish system; if you support Pol Pot's system, then you don't actually stand for anything other than depravity.
Nathaniel Thompson
Luke Bell
Sure, we believe your atrocity propaganda, of course. And he worked for CIA right?, so it all is US fault, right? Capitalism murders again.
Ryan Rogers
surely you jest, as urbanite culture is full of money hungry degenerates anyways.
Gabriel Jones
the former monarch was eastern bloc friendly thou.
Benjamin Carter
I don't really know or care about that, but I lived in Cambodia for a little while, and the horrible impacts of the Khmer Rouge are painfully obvious. To be frank, I have no desire to go back there.
Brayden Ortiz
Nothing. He created a great primitive society free of the evils of
intellectualism.
Carson Young
Yes, and Stalin killed 20 billion Ukranians
Samuel Parker
The impotent rage of the Marxist delivered towards Pol Pot and the achievements of Democratic Kampuchea (DK) is all from those who subconsciously realize that Pol Pot had implemented a superior system in DK which bypassed silly intellectual abstractions such as the "stages" supposedly required to reach the higher stage of socialism. Following April 17th, 1975 when Pol Pot and his comrades came to power there was an instant transition to the upper stage of socialism. All classes and social distinctions were eliminated, money was abolished and egalitarian communism was achieved. One may call Pol Pot's focus on the Kampuchean peasant "reactionary" but this is not an argument. The proletariat was not a significant force in DK and Pol Pot was forced to rely on the peasant as the center of DK unique revolutionary experience. The cities were rightfully identified as symbols of foreign domination, corruption and oppression, symbols of capitalism. Capitalism in Kampuchea was a regression and degradation of earlier conditions. Thus the Kampuchean peasant was a member of class which could be more closely identified with the nation, while the urbanites were contaminated by capitalism. By evacuating the cities Pol Pot helped usher in the instant elimination of classes following the revolution. The dismantling of DK economic infrastructure was to destroy capitalism. Agriculture was the way forward. Ironically enough, Pol Pot was right again in predicting the aggression of the Vietnamese and their earlier attempts to absorb and dominate Kampuchea through the Indochina Federation. DK had a unique revolutionary path unparalleled anywhere else on Earth.
LONG LIVE KAMPUCHEAN SOCIALISM
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Jack Green
That's not a good thing. Also massacring ethnic minorities associated with a socialist state is hardly "anti-imperialism" - it's ultranationalism.
Gavin Roberts
Ultranationalism and anti-imperialism are not contradictory positions. Also, you’re likely referring to Vietnamese minorities. Implying that was not justified – they were politically unreliable
Camden Phillips
Imagine being this pathetically fucked in the head. Go outside. Socialize with real people. Stop being such an edgy dork. Zig Forums is the place for irrelevant, murderous opinions.
Cooper Evans
this thread is now about bespectacled Vietnamese girls reading
Luke Sullivan
Then prove to me why it is wrong. If I was in control of a state I would no qualms using force against those would undermine the system. This has nothing to do with being edgy, it’s just something that sometimes needs to be done.
I already do but thanks for the advice
Evan Cox
What would I prove wrong? In a sane debate, I'd argue that your brutal, authoritarian system kills people. But for you that's not a problem, you're taking the incredibly edgy, absurd stance that it's good to kill people. I have no interest in trying to prove to you that killing people is bad.
Brody Gray
*I have no interest in trying to prove to you that committing genocide is bad.
Matthew Russell
Your moralizing is pretty pathetic, user. You can’t prove that killing people under certain circumstances is bad because there is no such thing as good and bad.
I haven’t taken this position simply to be edgy. I am simply stating what I believe and know to be true from my research.
Because you can’t. I don’t think killing for the sake of killing is a thing people should do, but there is nothing wrong with killing people and it’s moralfagging to argue otherwise.
You sound like an emotional child lashing out
Carson Clark
Please take off your flag you spooked moralist.
Levi Lewis
Adrian Evans
Look at this moralfag and laugh. The flag makes the irony so much more delicious. I’m not even a Pol Pot-ist and I think you’re a pathetic retard
Joseph Thomas
Your position is absurd. You're literally pro-genocide. Please tell me about your extensive research. I've done development work in Phnom Penh, including for a Cambodian organization that gave aid to Montagnard communities (a marginalized Vietnamese minority seeking refuge in Cambodia). I'm also getting a master's in foreign policy. I'm not saying any of this to make an argument from authority, but simply to defend against your desire to dismiss my objection.
I want to hear the research you're talking about. This isn't just any "certain circumstance" - you're advocating for committing genocide against an entire ethnic group, rather than targeting saboteurs.
Also, the "moralfagging" move is moronic. Politics are about how you organize society. Society should serve the people's interests. There's inevitably a moral component to that, even if you're arguing for utilitarian moves that serve people better in the long term. It's a move pulled straight from the right wing playbook - the minute you start dismissing people for being "moral," is the minute you've pretty much admitted you're on the wrong side.
Charles Torres
Because I'm against genocide? Really? Fuck off back to Zig Forums, you retard.
Henry Sanchez
This is the most arrogant post I’ve read all day. Sorry, user, no one cares about your piece of paper saying you read some books and wrotes some papers or where you’ve taken a vacation to. Get off your high horse
Dominic Phillips
I'm not on a high horse. Again, I mentioned it because the post I was replying to insinuated that I hadn't done the research he had.
You're just upset I'm against your position. You really belong on Zig Forums
Tyler Williams
The Soviet Union "genocided" Nazi Germany. Was that bad too?
Austin Barnes
Genocide can be justified and there’s nothing wrong with genocide on the face of it. You may call it edgy, but it’s true. You can tell us to fuck off all you want but it will not change the fact the fact that all you can do is squirm. Vietnamese minorities living in Kampuchea were obviously more likely to be politically unreliable than native Kampucheans. Vietnamese has expansionist ambitions in Indochina and the native Vietnamese would have been a natural fifth column
Zachary Murphy
You're literally pro violence of peasants. It's hilarious how liberals only care about people when it's oppressors getting rekt.
Adrian King
Again, fuck off with your credentials
Not really, this is just an internet argument, there’s no reason to get that invested
Alexander Edwards
No, they did not "genocide" Nazi Germany. You should look up what that word means. The Soviet Union did not target ethnically German people. It was right for the Soviets to fight the Nazis. However, it was wrong for the Soviets to target some of their own ethnic minorities. As I just explained, it's wrong to go after an entire ethnic group, rather than targeting the specific saboteurs.
Chase Lee
He’s an obvious bourgie too. It all makes sense
Oliver Collins
Again, you're pro-murder. Have fun with that.
No, and this is just incoherent. A Vietnamese minority group are not the oppressors, even if some insurgents were funded by them. Go after the insurgents, not the families.
All you did was insult me a lot. Now you're whining I responded. You're literally retarded.
Brayden Nguyen
You act like it’s that easy to identify saboteurs, especially during war-time. The ends justify the means. The Kampucheans did nothing wrong in regards to Vietnamese minorities in the same way the Americans did nothing wrong in putting in Japanese in internment camps
Luis Scott
You're spooked because "genocide" implies that the people killed played no role in the oppression of the peasants that over threw them.
You need to make an argument as to why that wasn't in the long term interests of peasants, which I think you can earnestly make.
The urbanites made their decision, and went along with status quo that violently menaced the peasantry with poverty. Their material interests lay with maintaining that status quo.
I'm not even pro Pol Pot but you are an embarrassing illiterate brainlet.
Bentley Perez
Just because I would not be opposed to killing people if needed to achieve my goals if I was in a position of state leadership does not mean I endorse senseless killing. Moralizing again
Julian Carter
You're for killing an entire ethnic group. I'm not illiterate, and you're a nasty, retarded piece of shit for making that low blow. kys
Noah Baker
And you're a punk that cries when the dog they've been teasing finally bite him.
Daniel Morris
Look at this privileged bourgie piece of shit and how spooked he is. All you’ve done is flail and refuse to address any of my arguments
Noah Gonzalez
You can't even keep all your spook straight.
Lincoln Robinson
Wow, Tumbr's really reaching for that brass ring on this one.
Isaac Baker
We were talking about a Vietnamese minority group. Keep up, kids.
Nice projection. I'm out, you win. Go ahead and be genocidal authoritarians. Have fun.
Andrew Morris
I will have fun. Too bad Pol Pot ushered in egalitarian communism though
Brody Cox
Christopher Taylor
Why are you trying to derail this thread so hard? No one is going to get triggered over megane images
Caleb Martinez
thanks for the (you) here have one back
Aiden Sanders
Irrelevant to the debate that I've given up on, but you don't know what the fuck a spook is. You're all for killing masses of people for some blind ideal, unable to comprehend what it actually means on any real level - you are very thoroughly spooked.
Easton Wood
Interesting that these all come at the same time and stop at the same time. Are you one piece of shit pretending to be three pieces of shit?
Owen Martinez
Paranoid
Alexander Martinez
Kevin Sanchez
Isaiah Morgan
Ian Bennett
Julian Hughes
Bentley Johnson
Jayden Gomez
Jeremiah Lee
Andrew Davis
Colton Campbell
Cameron Jones
Caleb Green
David Lopez
Jonathan Gomez
Jaxon Jones
Blake Hughes
Nathaniel Ramirez
Wow, it's just obvious. Your voice is the same in all these posts. You're so pathetically, hilariously insecure that you literally tried to make me think you were three people. You can have this debate, but you should literally kill yourself, you pathetic stooge
Bentley Roberts
Whatever helps you sleep at night. You just can’t imagine people would disagree with you besides me. If you want to think I’m every person critical of you ITT, by all means go ahead
Ryder Edwards
Right. I'm sure there's an army of Pol Pot sympathizers who all write the exact same way and organize to post at the exact same time. You fucking idiot.
Owen Powell
Again, paranoia. I’m not going to argue over something this stupid so go kill yourself
Elijah Bailey
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Wyatt Lewis
lol interesting how the other two disappeared since I pointed out that you're samefagging, which is frankly the most pathetic tactic there is.
You support a guy who ravaged his own country in ways that it still hasn't recovered from. You demonstrably don't understand what a spook is. By your own admission you support ultranationalism and ethnic cleansing, so you're effectively a fascist. You're such a pathetic, worthless piece of shit it's hilarious. How are you going to get out of this one? Hint: the barrel of a shotgun is one option.
Charles Howard
Actually, I'm sorry. We need to stop throwing around all this suicide talk. But I recommend you go visit Cambodia, learn about how oppressive the Khmer Rouge system was, and you know, actually try reading a book.
Good night, buddy.
Tyler Smith
primitive communism is not advanced communism
Camden Hernandez
Everything
Cooper Stewart
Nobody can appropriate the means of production when you kill everyone. Communism achieved!
Parker Morgan
I reccomend you read a book on how shitty a neo peasants life is under capitalism and Marx or just any old engineer on how exploiting labor like that isn't even necessary anymore.
I suggest liberals like you realize your moralizing isn't going to work and if you don't want to see more Pol Pots you'd better start come concerning yourself with peasant struggle.
Brandon Johnson
Nice strawman, but work on your spelling.
I know exploitation of labor isn't necessary. I am for collective ownership of the means of production. I for equitable redistribution of wealth. I am against capitalist hierarchy. You know, the actual anarchist/socialist positions.
Being against the exploitation of workers doesn't mean being for authoritarianism and mass murder. By supporting sadistic authoritarians like Pol Pot, you are actually undermining the socialist cause.