Logos Bible Software Unaffordable

The price for proper access, and proper access means every single resource, is so utterly outrageous its completely unaffordable. I can't even afford 100 dollars, they charge 10 thousand or more. Is there any way to obtain full access without paying? Logos 3.0 actually is piratable with a huge amount of resources, but it has nothing newer than from 2005/2006 and it often crashes on modern windows. I ahve nothing in my life to make me happy other than study. I enjoy studying, and I desperately want this resource, but have no way of obtaining it.

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Can't you πr8 it?

i have pirated it but its grossly outdated and not very functional, frequently crashing.

Logos 7 Basic is free. Just not those huge libraries. But you'll get some basic study materials and a KJV with this. You can slowly build a library from there.

Don't pirate and steal.

Information is nonscarce and therefore is not property. It's not stealing to learn about the Lord for free.

If it was up to me, I'd agree. But it isn't. Information is a commodity in most countries. Except maybe communist China.

A device built on top of a resource does not rewrite its properties.


Why don't we write our own Free, Libre, and Open Source software

Open Source software is useless in this context. All of the important resources which LBS uses are not only not free, but excruciatingly expensive.

It costs Logos money too. So when you steal from them, you're hurting an innocent middleman.

If you notice on their website, people can "vote" on various books that they want to see on Logos. And if there is enough demand, Logos invests their own capital in the hopes they get a return from the people who demanded. Pirates just end up screwing them over.

Gee, I wonder who set that rule up?
It wouldn't be the people who already control everything else, would it?

Personally, I find this notion that God's word costs deeply troubling. I know Logos is more than this, and I know translators claim "Oh, well, took time and money to do this work, pay me", but I don't think a commercial (or even non-profit) translation should ever exist: you get the money, you translate, you give it away for free, the end.

Furthermore, while I don't know what is in Logos, I will suggest a lot of the data is derived from free sources, archeological research or theological commentaries, yet they have the gall to deprive God's people such things. Deeply troubling indeed!

However, the single most disturbing notion is when you learn Rupert Murdoch and the like is a big owner of companies that produce Christian materials, books and music.
All your godliness are belong to us capitalists

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People could donate.

That's another reason I don't even bother with most translations.
You do know that the NIV and NKJV (and some others) are actually owned by Jewish mogul Rupert Murdoch, right?
And these other publishers aren't much better (Crossway, etc). The whole proliferation of modern bibles is a big racket.

But as for the secondary materials (regular human authored books on Logos), I think it's a bit unfair to pay their authors.

I mostly agree with you but importing Zig Forums into here wasn't my purpose. I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a way to pirate or access all (all of it) Logos' library of resources, preferably using the software but if manual use is necessary that's fine.

I'm not Zig Forums. I'm just against profiteering and Zionism. It just so happens that a group of people qualify there. But unlike Zig Forums, I want them to have life and repent.
Anyways, for a free option, try e-sword? I think that's the name.

there are reasons why LBS is astronomically superior to everything else. For one, it has by far the best crossrefencing tools. Secondly, it has an extremely vast library of sources, resources, translation and transliteration tools, so on and so forth. It has virtually every relevant periodical you could imagine, both academic and popular. the wealth of knowledge is enormous beyond belief and any minister worth his salt should have a tool like this. But it's locked behind an unpayable wall, and I really do mean unpayable. E-sword is complete garbage that looks and runs like its from 1998. Another tool, also unaffordable, though not nearly as much, but now is also unavailable to even purchase, is Bibleworks 10. It's still supported, but no longer for sale.

I sympathize. Really. I just don't think pirating is the answer.
Not sure what to say. I doubt my own studying example would help, but I'll just say it's pretty simple. I mostly rely on hardcover books. A KJV with Apocrypha, copies of Greek/Hebrew and interlinears, a Septuagint, the whole library of Early Church fathers on my Kindle, a Strong's Condorance, Brown/Driver/Briggs/Thayer Lexicons, and some maps. This is all I think you really need for serious studying, but ymmv.

i agree with you that for the average person most or all tools they need are freely available or at most extremely inexpensive. My reasons for wanting this software and its associated libraries are twofold. One, which is less important, is because it brings me a lot of happiness to do in depth study, even more difficult stuff regarding language. But the far more important reason, is I "kind of" have my own flock of say, less than 10 friends or so, who i minister to. I say this not to brag either. One of them is was an agnostic from a Muslim family, who, who I had extensive conversations with over a long period of time. I am not claiming credit. He know knows the Lord, and I am grateful God helped him into it. The rest are largely atheist or agnostic, though socially conservative, not fedora tippers. I need extremely sophisticated arguments and knowledge to be able to convince them. my best friend is an atheist, though he now understands Christianity is the best religion, and he has a strong appreciation for the benefits of Christianity, he effectively cannot bring himself to believe without empirical proof, sadly. That being said, any knowledge can help. I do not know if he will ever accept Christ, but I will not stop trying.

Why don't you download Xistos? It's free.

All bible translations have been digitized and are freely available, as far as I know. What's this "bible software" you speak of?

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Certain bible software can be used to quickly compare texts and search for passages.
I sometimes use Xiphos to compare both English and Dutch sources.

I wish you well on how to find a way to attain this, but the best witness you'll ever see is the good news of Christ himself. If people can't accept it, then it's not your fault. Just pray that they do eventually. Secondly, being a good witness yourself and a standup person goes a long way. :)

Looking at this:
< logos.com/basepackages
… is the only reason it's $10,000 because there's:
What are these books they speak of? I thought the Bible only had 66?
They're not just Christian non-fiction books are they? I mean, if they were all commentaries … but I don't think that many have been written in the past five centuries.

Now that I can see all the denominational variations, I am thinking it IS just Christian NF books and maybe a few commentaries:
logos.com/compare/libraries/Standard

only come with the $10k edition.
That's basically 20-25% of my salary. Score.
Pretty sure they're out of copyright now being, y'know, 460 years old 'n' shee' …

… AND AVAILABLE FREE HERE: ccel.org/ccel/calvin/commentaries.i.html

srsly wtaf

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Also
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Some of the most learned Church fathers in the entire history of Christianity lived before there was even such a thing as "software". They managed to study just fine.

Yeah, I rely on free resources as well. But in Logos' defense, it's particular "ecosystem" is so much easier to search and organize and prepare information. I wouldn't need it, but it is neat.

OP, it's $10K because it's meant to be a business purchase by a 501(c)(3) church used by a pastor or some individual in a teaching leadership position. From that perspective, it's actually a reasonable purchase. They're not meant to be purchased by a layman yourself.

You can check with your local library and ask the headmaster if they can get public access to this software (For example, Austin public library is pretty good in this regard). Another alternative is you can enroll at a theological seminary and you should have institutional access to this software, or check with your public educational institution if they can offer you a subscription access. Perhaps you can even go as far as to apply for a job at that company. Another long-shot is you can email them personally yourself and see what alternatives you have with them. They seem to have a call center line available so it doesn't hurt to reach out to them.

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Bibleworks is superior, but it's been discontinued
Really neither of them do anything you can't get on biblehub or blue letter bible in your browser


calm down
Every bible translation is provided free of charge for personal use by the translators, if the translation isn't already in the public domain and so has no copyright holders
You're paying for a product like a physical book, which has a cost of production

Nobody is being deprived of anything by not giving away goods and services for free, they're in the exact same situation as if the service never existed
Typical entitled egalitarian socialist

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Heard that Accordance is an okay alternative. Tho, it doesn't many options to download various commentaries/studies like Logos, but at least it allows you to compare ancient manuscripts with modern translations

Is joke, yes?