Ukraine Orthodox priests establish independent Church

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has announced the creation of an independent Ukrainian Orthodox Church, marking a historic split from Russia.

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He said national security depended on "spiritual independence" from Russia.

He was speaking at a special council of orthodox priests in Kiev, where a new leader of the church was selected.

The Russian Orthodox Church cut ties with the spiritual authority of the world's Orthodoxy after it recognised the Ukrainian Church's independence.

Russia also fears that its churches in Ukraine could be seized.

Despite Russia banning priests from the branch of the Church loyal to Moscow from the event, two of its bishops were seen arriving for the council in Kiev.

The special council was held in the ancient St Sophia's Cathedral - one of Kiev's best known landmarks.

Ukrainian clerics of different Orthodox denominations elected 39-year-old Metropolitan Epifaniy as the leader of the new church.

Epifaniy is now expected to travel to Istanbul on 6 January to receive a special decree, a tomos, granting independence (autocephaly) to the new church from the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople.

"This day will go into history as a sacred day… the day of the final independence from Russia," President Poroshenko told a crowd of thousands outside the cathedral.

Ahead of the meeting, Patriarch Kirill, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, called on religious and world leaders to protect believers and clergymen in Ukraine from what he called persecution.

The Ukrainian Orthodox Church has been under the Moscow Patriarchate for centuries.

But tensions within the church mounted after Ukraine became independent in 1991, with the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Before Sunday's council in Kiev, there were three Orthodox Church branches in Ukraine:

The Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Kiev Patriarchate)
The Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate)
The Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church
Now, priests from the Kiev Patriarchate and the Autocephalous Church become members of the new church - the Orthodox Church of Ukraine.

The drive for Ukrainian Orthodox independence intensified in 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea and Russia-backed separatists seized a big swathe of territory in eastern Ukraine.

The Moscow branch of the Ukrainian Church has denied being a tool of the Kremlin, and says it has tried to bring about peace in eastern Ukraine.

Earlier this year, the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople - seen as the first among equals in the world's Orthodoxy - overruled its decision dating back to 1686 to transfer its jurisdiction over Kievan Orthodox churches (known as the Kievan Metropolis) to Moscow.

Now Moscow fears losing many of its 12,000 parishes in Ukraine.

Constantinople holds sway over more than 300 million Orthodox Christians across the world.

The Russian Orthodox Church is by far the biggest.

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Can any Orthos express how serious this is and whether it is a good or bad thing?

Good luck getting recognized by the rest of the Church, that's all I can say.

Not ortho, i am catholic, but this i seriously bad news.
I like Ukraine, but this 'church' is an illegitimate schismatic heretical garbage, created and supported by CIA.

Pretty serious considering the West is helping establish a fascist regime in Ukraine in order to get them to do what the west wants (oil, arms, influence, etc) no different than the west setting up dictatorships in Latin America during the Cold War

Glow-in-the-darks want this to happen to hurt Russia.

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If they simply accepted the supreme authority of the Bishop of Rome this wouldn't be happening. If you have no unifying figure schism happens.

Have a nice day.

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There was just some confusion at the time and one true Pope and one true Catholic Church, just some confusion at the time that's all. Unlike the Orthodox where there is no central figure and it's all split up and there is schism constantly.

No, you got proven wrong. Having a Pope doesn't prevent schism.
Our central figure is Jesus Christ Himself. Who is yours? A usurper of Christ's authority?
Yeah, people can leave the Church. Imagine that, God actually gives people free will. He doesn't force people to be in His Church. Weird, huh?

You know what? You're going to hell. Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. Submit or you will die in your sins.

papalencyclicals.net/bon08/b8unam.htm

God bless you.

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REEEEEEE I SAID SUBMIT

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Ah yes, it's always keep ebil west fighting against innocent holy Russia which did nothing wrong whatsoever.
Pathetic

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Test.

Hello, Brother. Don't be uncharitable.

Obviously. What it does prevent, is the main Church from breaking up. All the Protestant Sects and the Orthodox Church do not have the Pope, and any contest for the seat of the Papacy has been resolved multiple times throughout history.

Despite all this, there is only one Vicar of Christ, leading One Church.


If your central figure was Jesus Christ, you would listen to Him. If you listened to the authority of Jesus Christ, you would listen to the seat of Peter, and the Deposit of Faith, and the Sacred Tradition.

Your line of through is way more Protestant than Orthodox, because it is through the given authority of Jesus Christ that the apostolic succession even works.


People leaving the Church is a serious issue, and even more serious is an entire sect growing apart of the Church. There is only One Flock. Well, unless your Orthodox?

your line of thought*

now that I think about it, if the Pope is "usurping" the authority of Jesus Christ, then how is a council of Orthodox Bishops coming together and making synods not also usurpation?

Hmm

After half a century, some bloody wars, and some political shenanigans.

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His method of posting was uncharitable, not the teaching itself, which is true.


Yet, here we stand.

Same here.
All this will get resolved, just as we solved it the last time.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Moscow–Constantinople_schism

There are some fiascos that didn't get solved, like Chalcedon and 1054.

In time, though, who knows.

Politics come and go, it's fine.
The real problem is The Ecumenical Patriarch seems to care more about temporal politics than eternal Orthodoxy. Basically, politics ruin everything.

This was not a schism. There was one church, there was a confusion on who the pope is. That's not the same thing as two catholic churches. Furthermore this situaation is long gone, there is one vicar in Rome now. You could claim there was a schism if Anglicans named their pope or something like that.

Zero arguments about Theology or Tradition.
It's all about politics with you, disgusting.

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It is serious but not a threat to the church in any way nor something that hasn't happened before. Moscow has used the Eucharistic Communion as a political tool aganin in the past. Personally i believe that a good outcome would be the creation of a new Orthodox church in Russia and Kirill's pan-slavic church to take it's place among the Old Bleievers and the GOC.

No

Ladies and gentlemen, the Vicar of Christ.
Topless men dancing for Pope Benedict XVI inside Vatican …
m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWwrycK3tkw

They’re bloody acrobats, mate, performing acrobatics at a weekly audience.
The Pellegrino Brothers always perform shirtless. It was a bit strange for a Pope, sure, but nothing they did was homoerotic; Pope Benedict XVI was even a little perplexed, you can see his confusion when they took off their shirts.

What does this serve but to be a useless polemic and libel of a holy man?

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Only affects us on political level which means most laymen and clergies will not be affected, and on spiritual level, has nothing changed. It is no more than a scene or a stage play. If you are not really convinced, then let us say somehow east Asia turned Orthodox. We would have Japan Orthodox Church, Korean Church, SEA, etc. And sometime in the future they might separate into their own ministry of each respective nation, but at the end of the day we still hold the same belief and all. In case anything happened, then we may hold a synod or another ecumenical council to settle the dispute.

Have a nice day.

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I'd prefer a schism over a heresy every single day.
When you find you need a visible unifying figure in order to keep unity, you will know that you don't have the Christ, nor the Holy Spirit.


It's not the same. First, at that time the patriarch of Moscow was not Russian but Estonian (with German origins) and it is normal that he will get angry when someone wants to take his own homeland. The current Patriarch is Russian and the interests of the Russian Church in Estonia are not that high. Second, the Russian Church still doesn't acknowledge the parallel Church in Estonia and refuses to participate in meetings where hierarchs of this Church are present. Third, the parallel Estonian Church is not autocephalous and doesn't need recognition from the other autocephalous Churches. In Ukraine, however, Bartholomew wants to create an autocephalous Church and this is not going to work unless the other Churches acknowledge this autocephality. And, of course, the immediate response to any such acknowledgement will be another break of communion with Moscow.


In this case Moscow is going to use any means at their disposal. Suppose, for example, that the Church of Jerusalem decides to acknowledge this new autocephality. Then Moscow is not only going to break communion, they are going to create a parallel Orthodox Church in Jerusalem. Considering that this Church is a Church of mostly Arabs many of whom want to have Arabic bishops instead of the Greek ones, you see how dangerous this situation is.

Dreams. Just as some Russians are dreaming that the Church of Greece will take over the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Archbishop of Athens will become Ecumenical Patriarch.

TIL that elections are illegal if it benefits Crimean citizens. No-name Songbird can never do anything wrong because he was a POW in 'Nam.

You CIA tiggers glow in the dark so bright I need shades to look at you.

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Oy vey, not fascists! It's anuddah shoah, SHUT IT DOWN!

Where did Jesus Christ deny that He is our master and direct us to the bishop of Rome instead?

Fascists who fight for the EU.
Eastern Europe doesn't work like the US.

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Lol he thinks Svoboda will be just like the 3rd Reich. The thing is, Germany didn't start a glow-in-the-dark backed civil war in order to get into power. Hitler would have never stood for killing his fellow Germans, but these puppets won't think twice about killing fellow Ukrainians.

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Most people on this board don't think like us.
They see these people have a website with skulls talking about hating kikes so that means they are anti-estabilishment. "It doesn't matter if they fight for the EU, they said they hate kikes on their website".

I'm not even Ukrainian, but you're obviously a crypto-globalist who thinks one world government is awesome when Moscow is the capital

Who called St. Peter your master? But that the Pope is the head, and was called "Cephas" - the mark of the True Church would spring upon the Rock of St. Peter and His Seat. Just as Christ said.

Don't worry, we will both know whether or not if the Church of Jesus Christ that He founded upon St. Peter is the True Church.

I am surprised they didn´t make Philaret the head of this new "church." What was his response?

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"One"
"Catholic"

Philaret pulled back on his own because he's not an autistic 12yo

Given how he has been acting so far, this option was not out of consideration. Didn´t he call himself an "eternal patriarch" at one point?

Really one of the most retarded argurments from the Catholic side right? I hope it's only a chan meme and not some official Catholic apologetics.

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We actually have Sedevacantists n this board, you know…

Yes, I am sure your pope will preserve the unity of all. Traditionals, charismatics, undetermined, muslims - everyone submitted and consigned to the Antichrist.
taize.fr/en_article6525.html
youtube.com/watch?v=J-QDOcDGDWA
youtube.com/watch?v=g5WonijOgXc

Don't be naive! "Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation. Blessed is he whose help is the God of Jacob, whose hope is in the Lord his God, who keeps faith forever." (Psalm 145:3-6) The catholic Church is dead, it doesn't function, it is ruled by atheists who don't care about God. One Pope = single point of failure, easy to subvert. The tradition in the catholic church exists not because of the pope but despite the pope. You can't do this with the Orthodox Church. You can subvert a hierarch here and there, but the Church doesn't listen to them. Why? Because the Orthodox Christians know who their shepherd is, they "hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A pope they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." (John 10:3-5)

Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls in the Orthodox Church. (Jeremiah 6:16).