After Mosque Attack, Should Zig Forums Be Wiped From The Web?

James Flores
James Flores

On Friday, a man murdered 49 people in Christchurch, New Zealand. He targeted Muslims at two mosques in the city in what’s been deemed a terrorist attack, one of the most horrific acts of violence the country has ever seen.

Shortly before the attack, in what appeared to be posts from the alleged shooter, links to a Facebook livestream of the killings were shared on Zig Forums. Social media channels later struggled to remove copies of that stream, while his 74-page “manifesto” also spread from Zig Forums across the likes of Facebook and Twitter.

Long known as a haven for extremist, right-wing thought, and a wilder version of the already unruly 4Chan, the Zig Forums forum has courted controversy in the past. In 2015, for instance, users of the fringe site started a campaign to boycott Star Wars because it had black and female leads. In the same year, child pornography appeared on Zig Forums, leading Google to delist it. Channels that appear to advertise child-abuse material remain live on the site today.

If the New Zealand terrorist really was radicalized on Zig Forums, and if there’s such a cornucopia of appalling material on the forum, what should be done to counter extremism and illegal activity on the site? Should it be taken down entirely?

Cloudflare: no action on Zig Forums
One company that’s helped keep the site secure and easily accessible is U.S. internet infrastructure and security provider Cloudflare. Its tech gets websites to run faster and protects them from distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks where Web servers are overwhelmed with traffic. Over the years, Cloudflare has stuck by its policy of allowing anyone to enjoy its services, regardless of how extreme the website. And it has repeatedly been criticized for its “content neutral” approach. In December, it came under fire for protecting websites promoting material for groups deemed terrorist organizations, including al-Shabab and the Taliban.

But Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince did make one exception: During the 2017 Charlottesville riots, the Daily Stormer was ditched after it claimed Cloudflare secretly shared its extreme, neo-Nazi ideology.

Zig Forums will not be getting the boot, even though today it’s easy to find users promoting violence and links to possible child-exploitation material. Alissa Starzak, Cloudflare’s head of policy, defended the services' actions, saying that that taking away support for Zig Forums wouldn’t remove it from the internet. Just like getting rid of a terrorist’s electricity supply or preventing them from buying groceries, cutting off Cloudflare would do little to deal with the problem, Starzak told Forbes.

Website moderators are the ones who are there to remove content, not Cloudflare, she added. “We're the Fedex of the internet, passing messages on, not looking inside the boxes,” she explained.

If Clouflare did pull the plug, it’d be possible to see who the host of the website was. From there it’d be easier for governments to request the host pull the site. It’d also be easier for anyone willing to break the law and carry out a DDoS attack to knock the forum offline.

Forbes attempted to contact the founder of Zig Forums and admins for the site, but received no response.

Solving a problem like Zig Forums
What to do about Zig Forums then? Patrick Pugh is physical security analyst at Flashpoint, which analyses sites like Zig Forums where extremist material appears. Freedom of speech laws prevent government intervention, but easily accessible platforms aren’t as restricted, Pugh says. They can therefore help drive extremists underground by removing their content and depriving them of technologically reliable hosting platforms.

“While this may make it harder for investigators to discover, it will also make it harder for folks susceptible to radicalization to find,” Pugh told Forbes. “Discussion of ‘traitors,’ ‘invaders,’ and needing to do something ‘in real life,’ or ‘IRL,’ are the watchwords for investigators trying to find a particular needle, not in a haystack, but in a stack of needles," he added.

As for what to do about fringe sites promoting extremist views, Cloudflare’s Starzak didn’t have the answers. What’s required, she added, was a big public policy push with players from among national governments and private companies allowing such sites to exist.

No one has yet come up with a suitable answer to the intractable question: How do you clean the internet of dangerous words that encourage evil deeds?

forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2019/03/15/after-the-new-zealand-terror-attack-should-Zig Forums-be-wiped-from-the-web/#128c64ba6263

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Benjamin Jenkins
Benjamin Jenkins

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Kayden Robinson
Kayden Robinson

Jim's face when 8ch gets media coverage

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Noah Johnson
Noah Johnson

Every time 8ch gets coverage Jim gains +10 asian pussy. Somebodies got to profit.

Anthony Hernandez
Anthony Hernandez

just wipe out /pol/ like it should have been at least a decade ago

Dylan Lewis
Dylan Lewis

wipe out /pol/

Elijah Allen
Elijah Allen

lol @ you thinking Monkey Face Horse Teeth former brothel prostitute Diana is +10

gross as shit

Daniel Walker
Daniel Walker

By the way, Filipinos aren't exactly 'Asian'

They're 2/3rds monkey

Jacob Reed
Jacob Reed

Wipe it off and another one will appear, one that will be more obscure and difficult to access. Sad to say, but we should cherish the fact that this monster gave the world if even a few moments notice of warning to the internet about what he was about to do. It was the closest any of us could have come to stopping it.

I think the entire world needs an Official Internet Police honestly, or an independant organization that works in conjunction with the united nations to constantly scan places like this, and the darknet for evidence of potential criminal actions and human rights violations.

Of course there will be issues with this too, but dont forget that minority report is just a movie.

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Alexander Foster
Alexander Foster

Do it, fgt.

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Zachary Bell
Zachary Bell

Some people sure have an interesting concept of free speech. Going with this logic, we should destroy weapons too because they are capable of killing human beings. I mean, why don't we just suffocate and die? He breathed in air too, making air evil, racist and genocidal too, right?

Mason Murphy
Mason Murphy

restricting free speech is forcing you to a larger forum of thought exchange
neo-nazis have such strange logic

Jordan Torres
Jordan Torres

Welp, now I'm an ideological extremist.

What do?

Henry Scott
Henry Scott

be a thinking reasoning adult and not a chimp out nigger. are you gonna start a white grooming gang and start grooming muslim kids now you pedo?

Jose Perez
Jose Perez

How does what you said follow from what he said?
He made the obvious comparison that just because two things are related, does not mean one caused the other.
L2correlationVcausation

neo-nazis
There it is.
EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS A NEO-NAZI!!!
Okay, now reply to his point. "Nazi"/"Neo-Nazi" are no longer killing words. None of the *ists are either.

Angel Evans
Angel Evans

He also used YouTube and Facebook. Should they be wiped from the web too?

Nicholas Rogers
Nicholas Rogers

You are all pieces of shits that still get breastfed by their mothers. Pretend you are a part of something… doesnt change the gay pathetic weeabo in you….. sure saw something today…. old man watching cartoons all day and talk about violece with their online friends.. hahha you make me laugh.. ofcourse the victims cant laugh anymore. to think you would praise a sick delusional fag that cold heartedly kills a woman that begs for help 4 to 5 times. You see youre hypocrites talking about how you are protecting your woman, your values and your country. Then why stoop so low to make "funny" memes about a death woman who prob had the same values as you and the same love for the country she was living in. these people were innocent. You hitler breivik and tarrent lovers can suck eachothers dicks

Christian Phillips
Christian Phillips

anything that isn't hyper progressive propaganda is right wing extremism
(((forbes)))
el oh el

Kevin Green
Kevin Green

I would agree with shutting Zig Forums down. It has directly been used as a medium to export violence internationally. The authorities have my full support if they decide to shut it down.

Noah Mitchell
Noah Mitchell

Biggest BS of the day. What about 4chan? What about liveleak? Fk forbes for the hit piece and not acknowleging many other sites posting worse material

Owen Nelson
Owen Nelson

no

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Luis Watson
Luis Watson

I thought it was in Birtain, someone finally had the balls to stand up against undercover ISIS members.

Joseph Hall
Joseph Hall

He love China ?

Evan Garcia
Evan Garcia

it happened in new zealand

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Ayden Nguyen
Ayden Nguyen

grooming Muslim children to understand and enjoy healthy, consensual sexual relationships rather than being used as disposable, worthless fucksocks like they would be in their own culture
Not a bad idea tbh.

Noah Nguyen
Noah Nguyen

Trust on the (((news))) to immediately instrumentalize the shooting to push their own agendas and attempt to attack sites they deem "enemies".

And then they cry when you call them lügenpresse.

Adam Parker
Adam Parker

this

Zachary Robinson
Zachary Robinson

wipe out /pol, investigate the Tarrant wannabes and lock up the savages

Xavier Nelson
Xavier Nelson

They are worthless vile scum

Jaxon Rivera
Jaxon Rivera

Yeah and also wipe away /leftypol/, so they're even

Sebastian Gutierrez
Sebastian Gutierrez

a bloo bloo
They cant laugh anymore but I still can. Stay mad

Aaron Phillips
Aaron Phillips

We're the Fedex of the internet, passing messages on, not looking inside the boxes,” she explained.
Hur hur we totally don't control the 8ch SSL, good goys.
ssl936657.cloudflaressl.com
No that doesn't exist. Your browser is lying! :^)

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Oliver Russell
Oliver Russell

Forbes mentioning Zig Forums to attract viewers.

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Luke Young
Luke Young

Target jews and traitor politicians, since they're the ones who make the rules.

Juan Lopez
Juan Lopez

I think the entire world needs an Official Internet Police honestly

Your time is coming soon too, kike.

Henry Peterson
Henry Peterson

You seem a little assblasted. What's the matter pigfucker, don't like the taste of your own medicine?

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Bentley Scott
Bentley Scott

After Mosque Attack, Should Zig Forums Be Wiped From The Web?
Yes. and Islam should be wiped from the earth.
For the same reasons.

Grayson Hall
Grayson Hall

I think every time someone calls an user a do nothing faggot they're actually trying to get another Tarrant.

Chase Martinez
Chase Martinez

I'd say all humans, we're nothing but retarded apes comparing to becoming AI gods, let toasters to rule the planet

Thomas Gonzalez
Thomas Gonzalez

Muslims have attacked plenty of Christians worldwide for decades,with Coptic church attacks in Egypt serving as good examples. So crazy whites do the same thing and the condemnations are resonating around the world like it’s a new event. Thank the Saudis for providing the model for global terrorism, it all started with them.

Lincoln Evans
Lincoln Evans

Hahaha! If you don't mind us raiding the social media services with spoofed registration accounts, go for it. We'll make life LIVING HELL if you try kicking us off the web.

Jack Brooks
Jack Brooks

If you don't like this place you can leave any time!

Julian Sanders
Julian Sanders

THE CORRECT ANSWER WAS :

nobody is going to shut Zig Forums down
(at least not for this reason)

Zig Forums is NOT a profitable venture
it actually costs money
it doesn't make money

It WILL be sold eventually
and after changing hands a couple times
it will finally fold and vanish

HOWEVER, IN THE MEANTIME:
they will continue to monitor each post on each board, actually INCREASING their monitoring, identifying each user (if you think the NSA is incapable of defeating any encryption or VPN or proxy or Tor, then you're a mental midget)

I honestly believe 1/3 of Zig Forums users should be incarcerated for their own good, and to prevent further financial exploitation of their mothers.

I also believe another 1/3 of Zig Forums users should be summarily executed, using the same euthanasia techniques employed by veterinary clinics, once again to prevent further financial exploitation of their mothers.

And finally, I believe the remaining 1/3 of Zig Forums users should have their fingers surgically removed, as well as their vocal cords and eyeballs.

Caleb Green
Caleb Green

I'm a training to become a prosecutor general. This site is harmless you SJW shmuck.

Juan Collins
Juan Collins

a death woman
Like this?

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William Turner
William Turner

Too big and they don't allow the same level of hate

Charles Nelson
Charles Nelson

Zig Forums is NOT a profitable venture
They pay Jimbo to keep it running fool

Fish in a barrel

Connor Ramirez
Connor Ramirez

I'm a journalist from Forbes.
I've tried posting on the board known as '/pol/', but It seems to be full of fascist D&D playing adolescents.

Can I get a straight answer here?

What is the attraction in this website and others like it, such as 4chan?

Isaac Phillips
Isaac Phillips

Ask Mark on /v/

He is the Zig Forums spokesperson.

Parker Howard
Parker Howard

Going with this logic, we should destroy weapons too because they are capable of killing human beings.
Dude they believe that unironically. Loisences for screws and such.
Can we groom them to attack synagogs?

Matthew Williams
Matthew Williams

Freedom
I can say that I'd like too rape your headless stump as your children watch and get away with it

I'm just using this as an example as i prefer to have consensual sex with headless corpses

Ok,just kidding
I'm really an edgy adolescent who likes to fap to anime

Eli Sullivan
Eli Sullivan

Freedom
I can be a libertarian without fear of harassment by the goverment of my country

Isaiah Lopez
Isaiah Lopez

Nobody gave a fuck when vids of these two poor girls were being used on chan sites to incite hatred. Our society's double-standard when it comes to white people is very obvious and inciting to this kind of hatred . The left is the ROOT cause of all of our society's problems because they want to hold you hostage to their agenda that eradicates white people from the planet.

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Aiden Gray
Aiden Gray

Ignore the troll, Ms /Mr/Ze journalist.

This is typical 8ch 'shit' posting behaviour and the reason why most of us non-haters use 8ch.

Right wing White nationalists are usually in /pol/index.html and /tv/index.html and >>>/k/(firearms)

Left wing extremists /leftypol/index.html

Low self esteem bullies /cow/index.html

Perverts /zoo/index.html

Van killers aka incels /r9k/index.html.

right wing evangelicals /christian/index.html

Incel white nationalist nerds /tech/index.html

all of theabove /b/index.html

Johnny Neptune, /killcen/, effeminate Zig Forums modand me(sac) Zig Forumsindex.html

And various other boards

Oh. I forgot /v/index.html aka /gamergate/ hahahaha…hoo

8ch, home of edgy teens, crackpots, nazis, gays, pervs, autism, and college high school students neglecting their studies

Liam Edwards
Liam Edwards

what you mean to say is "IGNORE THE TRUTH".

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Brandon Gonzalez
Brandon Gonzalez

This will never end until the media and journalists break their colluding with big government.

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Luke Davis
Luke Davis

Forbes attempted to contact the founder of Zig Forums and admins for the site, but received no response

Jimbo lay lo

Jordan Bailey
Jordan Bailey

The left is also responsible for dividing the west with their identity politics. They partition identities, then tell those identities that only the left represents them, dog-pitting identities against each other. It is deceitful. Obama set the precedence with his zero sum political strategy. The left never compromises, so our government is broken, our democracies lost. To say the left has frustrated the opposition is an understatement.

The left also loves to paint their opposition as NAZIS and RACISTS in this most malignant way. If you are just a normal centrist type, you are a Hitler loving swastika waving nazi hood wearing kkk so on and so forth. The damage done by the left is only reversible if they relent on their malicious political attacks.

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Gabriel Ross
Gabriel Ross

Zig Forums IS AN INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

Grayson Bailey
Grayson Bailey

Go fuck yourself kike. I'm saving my bullets for your kind. The way I see it, muslims are only a distraction.

Matthew Foster
Matthew Foster

So should we ban cars because people drink drive. Wake up to Yourselves. Fucking morons.

Hudson Nelson
Hudson Nelson

The MSM isn't simply going to stop on their own, since they're 100% owned by kikes. Nasim had the right idea, but her execution was weak.
well she was a vegan after all

Logan Ward
Logan Ward

Assuming this isnt a post trying to get free (You)'s, it has a lot to do with what other people said, Freedom. Even on places like 4chan, you still have the threat of the site's moderation bringing down the hammer on discussions that they do not like. The biggest example being a few years back, when anyone who tried to talk about the gamergate episode, were summarily permabanned.

Mostly absolute freedom of expression comes with the price of having to deal with extremes. It's the price we pay to be able to talk about what we want.

In addition, the individual boards are not 'owned' by a single moderation team. Each board is it's own identity under the umbrella of Zig Forums, with a single user being the 'owner' in the most popular boards case, /v/, that is Mark. A new board can be created at any given time, for practically any subject matter (as long as it isnt illegal in the USA). This means if a board owner turns tyrannical, or otherwise difficult, a new board with a new owner can be created. This sort of flexibility of choice is not available on other websites like 4chan, that have a set list of boards.

Other people just enjoy the so-called exclusivity of the website. To many people, Zig Forums's reputation acts as a deterrent for many. In a world where 4chan is known by most people, and has its image slowly but surely made more appealing by influxes of new users who are more… 'mainstream'with their ideas and tend to be more temperate, at least when compared to the average Zig Forums user. It is the wide belief on Zig Forums that 4chan's 'edge' has been grinded down over the years. It's no longer THE boogie-man of the internet.

There are a ton more reasons, but I simply dont have the time to go into them. Goodluck on your article. I assume it will die a painful death on the cutting room floor. Who really wants to read about with some incels on a website for Mongolian watercolor paintings

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Evan Sanders
Evan Sanders

Forbes attempted to contact the founder of Zig Forums and admins for the site, but received no response

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Logan Butler
Logan Butler

I'm more of a traditional monarchist.

Joshua Johnson
Joshua Johnson

We need Belafonte to sing it

Ayden Lopez
Ayden Lopez

If you hate it so much here why do you post here then? Stop wasting your time and do something else.

Oliver Powell
Oliver Powell

Why not wipe Facebook and Twitter from the web, he had accounts on those sites as well.

Joseph Davis
Joseph Davis

Fuck no

Daniel Moore
Daniel Moore

He didn’t actually say that btw.

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