Daily reminder that life has no meaning and there is no such thing as objective morality and that morality is a social construct, hence false. Come one, come all, fellow nihilists and watch how the moralists and spooked with flood into this thread absolutely seething
Wrong
The law does not exist.
Nope, it's meaningless
Moralism, thus fictitious
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Unless you're religious there's literally nothing to discuss. Yeah, nothing matters and we're all going to die and the universe will freeze to death as matter decays back into energy. So what?
Here OP, I posted your thread on Zig Forums so we can all have a laugh if it isn’t purged instantly. The Zig Forumsyp fears the nihilist
'Meaning' and 'morality' are just names for feelings and behaviour related to those feelings, they aren't real things. But it's not even the case that those things don't exist - there is no coherent concept to 'exist' or to not 'exist'. 'Free will' and 'God' are similar, except there isn't even emotions behind that curtain, just emptiness.
Guess so.
Daily reminder that nihilism is a dead meme for edgy teens and only useful for angering middle aged parents on Facebook.
I don't want to be murdered, as I know that being murdered is against my self-interest, therefore I think being murdered is bad. The vast majority of people in the society I live in hold a similar if not exact position. Murder isn't objectively bad but we all agree, in our mutual self-interest, that murder should be considered bad. Thus we make murder illegal in spite of having no objective moral basis to do so.
See above.
Life itself is its own meaning (living).
What is the physical development of the human brain.
Even the average rightard normie in suburbistan doesn't care much about what you do in personal life nowadays.
:^)
Since we are this is officially a depression thread, do you guys think we'll see a socialist revolution in our lifetimes?
I know we all hate defeatism, but sometimes I doubt it.
I don't know, what I do know is that given the current state of the left if there was a revolutionary situation within the near future(aka a civil war), we'd all be killed because we're disorganized, untrained, and have fuck all resources. Instead of embracing defeatism you should be organizing with your fellow working class folks.
When you talk about civil war, I take it as in your own country experiencing one in the near future right? If so, how close would you say your country is to a civil war?
I live in burgerland, white nationalists have been sending their people to join the military in order to learn tactics and use of equipment for a while now, they're embedded in law enforcement, and they've got a large share of guns and financial support. I would not be surprised if in the coming decade we see the reactionaries either attempt to overthrow the US government or carve out a piece of territory as their own and secede, the former is a mixed chance of success that depends on how many in the military/law enforcement would embrace them(it's a lot) and the latter is believable considering what resources and training they have and could quickly seize. The left here is marginal as is, many of the self-described Marxists (like BO of Zig Forums and the ML parties) refuse to even talk to veterans or enlisted fags who got suckered into joining the military while the anarchist(+adjacent) don't have anywhere near the resources or numbers to compete with reactionaries in any conflict beyond a fist fight in a city. The social club mentality that took over the left sometime in the 60's has absolutely fucked our shit up and we are decades behind in organization, if what I fear comes true we're gonna be fucked.
Interesting, in my case (I'm chilean) I would say the chances of a civil war ocurring any time soon are close to none. Our country is still pretty polarized from our last rightwing dictatorship, which didn't end that long ago, but people are going to kill themselves over it. I'd say the closest time our country was to a modern civl war would be just when the dictatorship started in 1973 or when one our communist guerrillas attempted to assasinate Pinoshit in 86, but now, nah not even close.
I'm interested in what could happen in the third world in the near future, specifically places like Nepal, India, etc.
The chances of that happening are literally zero.
The bourgeoisie is smart as fuck and have done things thinking way ahead. They've brainwashed the cattle for good, like, they got each brain in their hands and slowly fucked it without lube, now as a consequence the cattle will choose barbarism over socialism any day but not before some fascist shit take power everywhere.
The future will not be bright, that's for sure.
I fear capitalism will be the last cycle before humanity becomes extinct by that very system.
seriously fuck this timeline
Not anywhere in the first world is my guess. I just hope I live to see the day where America is BTFO and loses its position as world hegemon. I’d hate for Trump to attack Iran but it might be good for getting rid of us
Well fam you never know what's ging to happen, 1917 and 1936 were surprises for socialists after all. My main concern is getting ready, which every sect of the left is failing miserably at.
I'm not enthusiastic tbh. The often overlooked component of the ML victories last century is the funding given by the USSR, without it the third world revolutions will end up like Grenada, Chile, or Burkina Faso. I don't think China is merely pretending to be capitalist and judging by their actions in the Philippines(funding the government against Maoist guerillas) not going to aid revolutions unless it benefits their geopolitical interests, which will come attached with strings that will strangle the revolution.
Is it weird as hell that Zig Forums and Zig Forums have the same threads with images?
Lots of people crosspost the same threads to get their threads more replies
That's kinda pathetic in a way.
When you figure that the population split and there's a lot of posters who don't crossboard, it makes sense. Zig Forums and Zig Forums combined don't have half the post volume that Zig Forums did before the BO sperged out.
You have become disabled, you are a net loss to your society, you will now be executed, your organs harvested, your bones turned into fertilizer, your flesh made into dog food.
Nihilism is a brainlet attitude and if you think you're intelligent because you looked up the heat death of the universe on Wikipedia, think again.
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read Nietzsche, faggot
Folks get really angry at other folks who don't like how folks are not more like their folks. That is scary to me so I pretend to be a nihilist. Nobody likes me but atleast nobody hurts me. I dont like to be hurt. :-)
I know that If I ever become disabled, I wouldn't want to be executed and harvested even though I am a burden to society, and the vast majority of people hold similar views to mine, so we all agree not to execute the disabled and turn them into soylent.
Not much of a nihilist if you respect the supposed meaning of your feelings.
"You acknowledge your existence how can you be a nihilist??? Checkmate nihilists. :^)" - Idealist Socialist
Here is what's waiting for us bucko
Here some basic reading on Anarcho-Nihilism: "Revolutionary Catechism" by
Sergey Genadievich Nechayev
1. The revolutionary is a doomed man. He has no personal interests, no business affairs, no emotions, no attachments, no property, and no name. Everything in him is wholly absorbed in the single thought and the single passion for revolution.
2. The revolutionary knows that in the very depths of his being, not only in words but also in deeds, he has broken all the bonds which tie him to the social order and the civilized world with all its laws, moralities, and customs, and with all its generally accepted conventions. He is their implacable enemy, and if he continues to live with them it is only in order to destroy them more speedily.
3. The revolutionary despises all doctrines and refuses to accept the mundane sciences, leaving them for future generations. He knows only one science: the science of destruction. For this reason, but only for this reason, he will study mechanics, physics, chemistry, and perhaps medicine. But all day and all night he studies the vital science of human beings, their characteristics and circumstances, and all the phenomena of the present social order. The object is perpetually the same: the surest and quickest way of destroying the whole filthy order.
4. The revolutionary despises public opinion. He despises and hates the existing social morality in all its manifestations. For him, morality is everything which contributes to the triumph of the revolution. Immoral and criminal is everything that stands in its way.
5. The revolutionary is a dedicated man, merciless toward the State and toward the educated classes; and he can expect no mercy from them. Between him and them there exists, declared or concealed, a relentless and irreconcilable war to the death. He must accustom himself to torture.
6. Tyrannical toward himself, he must be tyrannical toward others. All the gentle and enervating sentiments of kinship, love, friendship, gratitude, and even honor, must be suppressed in him and give place to the cold and single-minded passion for revolution. For him, there exists only one pleasure, on consolation, one reward, one satisfaction – the success of the revolution. Night and day he must have but one thought, one aim – merciless destruction. Striving cold-bloodedly and indefatigably toward this end, he must be prepared to destroy himself and to destroy with his own hands everything that stands in the path of the revolution.
7. The nature of the true revolutionary excludes all sentimentality, romanticism, infatuation, and exaltation. All private hatred and revenge must also be excluded. Revolutionary passion, practiced at every moment of the day until it becomes a habit, is to be employed with cold calculation. At all times, and in all places, the revolutionary must obey not his personal impulses, but only those which serve the cause of the revolution
8. The revolutionary can have no friendship or attachment, except for those who have proved by their actions that they, like him, are dedicated to revolution. The degree of friendship, devotion and obligation toward such a comrade is determined solely by the degree of his usefulness to the cause of total revolutionary destruction.
9. It is superfluous to speak of solidarity among revolutionaries. The whole strength of revolutionary work lies in this. Comrades who possess the same revolutionary passion and understanding should, as much as possible, deliberate all important matters together and come to unanimous conclusions. When the plan is finally decided upon, then the revolutionary must rely solely on himself. In carrying out acts of destruction, each one should act alone, never running to another for advice and assistance, except when these are necessary for the furtherance of the plan.
10. All revolutionaries should have under them second- or third-degree revolutionaries – i.e., comrades who are not completely initiated. these should be regarded as part of the common revolutionary capital placed at his disposal. This capital should, of course, be spent as economically as possible in order to derive from it the greatest possible profit. The real revolutionary should regard himself as capital consecrated to the triumph of the revolution; however, he may not personally and alone dispose of that capital without the unanimous consent of the fully initiated comrades.
11. When a comrade is in danger and the question arises whether he should be saved or not saved, the decision must not be arrived at on the basis of sentiment, but solely in the interests of the revolutionary cause. Therefore, it is necessary to weigh carefully the usefulness of the comrade against the expenditure of revolutionary forces necessary to save him, and the decision must be made accordingly.
12. The new member, having given proof of his loyalty not by words but by deeds, can be received into the society only by the unanimous agreement of all the members.
13. The revolutionary enters the world of the State, of the privileged classes, of the so-called civilization, and he lives in this world only for the purpose of bringing about its speedy and total destruction. He is not a revolutionary if he has any sympathy for this world. He should not hesitate to destroy any position, any place, or any man in this world. He must hate everyone and everything in it with an equal hatred. All the worse for him if he has any relations with parents, friends, or lovers; he is no longer a revolutionary if he is swayed by these relationships.
14. Aiming at implacable revolution, the revolutionary may and frequently must live within society will pretending to be completely different from what he really is, for he must penetrate everywhere, into all the higher and middle-classes, into the houses of commerce, the churches, and the palaces of the aristocracy, and into the worlds of the bureaucracy and literature and the military, and also into the Third Division and the Winter Palace of the Czar.
15. This filthy social order can be split up into several categories. The first category comprises those who must be condemned to death without delay. Comrades should compile a list of those to be condemned according to the relative gravity of their crimes; and the executions should be carried out according to the prepared order.
16. When a list of those who are condemned is made, and the order of execution is prepared, no private sense of outrage should be considered, nor is it necessary to pay attention to the hatred provoked by these people among the comrades or the people. Hatred and the sense of outrage may even be useful insofar as they incite the masses to revolt. It is necessary to be guided only by the relative usefulness of these executions for the sake of revolution. Above all, those who are especially inimical to the revolutionary organization must be destroyed; their violent and sudden deaths will produce the utmost panic in the government, depriving it of its will to action by removing the cleverest and most energetic supporters.
17. The second group comprises those who will be spared for the time being in order that, by a series of monstrous acts, they may drive the people into inevitable revolt.
18. The third category consists of a great many brutes in high positions, distinguished neither by their cleverness nor their energy, while enjoying riches, influence, power, and high positions by virtue of their rank. These must be exploited in every possible way; they must be implicated and embroiled in our affairs, their dirty secrets must be ferreted out, and they must be transformed into slaves. Their power, influence, and connections, their wealth and their energy, will form an inexhaustible treasure and a precious help in all our undertakings.
19. The fourth category comprises ambitious office-holders and liberals of various shades of opinion. The revolutionary must pretend to collaborate with them, blindly following them, while at the same time, prying out their secrets until they are completely in his power. They must be so compromised that there is no way out for them, and then they can be used to create disorder in the State.
20. The fifth category consists of those doctrinaires, conspirators, and revolutionists who cut a great figure on paper or in their cliques. They must be constantly driven on to make compromising declarations: as a result, the majority of them will be destroyed, while a minority will become genuine revolutionaries.
21. The sixth category is especially important: women. They can be divided into three main groups. First, those frivolous, thoughtless, and vapid women, whom we shall use as we use the third and fourth category of men. Second, women who are ardent, capable, and devoted, but whom do not belong to us because they have not yet achieved a passionless and austere revolutionary understanding; these must be used like the men of the fifth category. Finally, there are the women who are completely on our side – i.e., those who are wholly dedicated and who have accepted our program in its entirety. We should regard these women as the most valuable or our treasures; without their help, we would never succeed.
22. The Society has no aim other than the complete liberation and happiness of the masses – i.e., of the people who live by manual labor. Convinced that their emancipation and the achievement of this happiness can only come about as a result of an all-destroying popular revolt, the Society will use all its resources and energy toward increasing and intensifying the evils and miseries of the people until at last their patience is exhausted and they are driven to a general uprising.
23. By a revolution, the Society does not mean an orderly revolt according to the classic western model – a revolt which always stops short of attacking the rights of property and the traditional social systems of so-called civilization and morality. Until now, such a revolution has always limited itself to the overthrow of one political form in order to replace it by another, thereby attempting to bring about a so-called revolutionary state. The only form of revolution beneficial to the people is one which destroys the entire State to the roots and exterminated all the state traditions, institutions, and classes in Russia.
24. With this end in view, the Society therefore refuses to impose any new organization from above. Any future organization will doubtless work its way through the movement and life of the people; but this is a matter for future generations to decide. Our task is terrible, total, universal, and merciless destruction.
25. Therefore, in drawing closer to the people, we must above all make common cause with those elements of the masses which, since the foundation of the state of Muscovy, have never ceased to protest, not only in words but in deeds, against everything directly or indirectly connected with the state: against the nobility, the bureaucracy, the clergy, the traders, and the parasitic kulaks. We must unite with the adventurous tribes of brigands, who are the only genuine revolutionaries in Russia.
26. To weld the people into one single unconquerable and all-destructive force – this is our aim, our conspiracy, and our task.
That one is pretty woke tbh.
Otherwise Nechayev was a fucking lunatic even attacking Bakunin at some point. But I sure agree that Russian Nihilism was an important era in Anarchist history.
So besides being an anarchist and nihilist, I'm assuming he was also socialist right? Correct me if wrong though.
…Anarchists are socialists… So yes.
Anprims aren't socialists. Neither are transhumanists, I believe.
Within the historical context of your question anarchism only was undoubtedly socialist.
We don't speak of those.
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You're thinking of Anglo """libertarian""" transhumanists.
Thanks for that info, I actually didn't know much about transhumanists.
What exactly does he mean by this? Blackmailing them or extorting these people for help? Nechayev was pretty based all around
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Well, yes. This part is about infiltrating all layers of society… uncovering the dirty secrets of your enemies… using them as instruments for the goal of destruction and revolution… controlling them with their own fear!
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Very few people are actually nihilists. Having edgy or pessimistic beliefs does not make you a nihilist. If you hold any values or beliefs at all you are not a nihilist.
Nihilism is just capitalism. Prove me wrong
If nihilists are right, why haven't they killed themselves yet?
Nihilism just means you don't believe there's any inherent value in anything.Saying that you value something because you just happen to want/like it isn't anti-nihilist.
yes
indeed
fuck off niggerfaggot
if I cared what a pedo thought, that'd mean something maybe
pff…
You cared enough to give a reply.
Not an argument, your emotions are causing you to lash out. Though the age of consent is fictional that doesn’t mean we will go around raping babies – most people don’t like that and I’m sure there would be backlash if someone tried to. Societies will obviously subjectively determine what the AoC should be. Personally speaking, I think it should be 12
If I say that life has no objective meaning or value and that morals are also fictitious, that doesn’t mean I want to kill myself. I’m pretty happy with my life despite thinking those things. I don’t assign any meaning to life, I just live it. This is 12 year old arguing from you
And when I say “life has no value” that doesn’t mean “life sucks, time to die”.
This is one of those dogshit threads we have every 1d4 weeks because I pay my taxes, along with the 'homosex is bourgois decadence', 'fapping is bad' and 'anime is bad' ones. It's also like the Zig Forums or r/the_cuckold falseflags we get periodically. I'm sick of both of those.
fuck off niggerfaggot
NOT AN ARGUMENT
That's bullshit, scientifically their brains are not as developed as a mature adult's. Nothing spooky about AoC so fuck off back to ancapistan.
It makes zero sense, like saying gravity is a spook.
Gravity exists. I can take my computer mouse, lift it up and it will fall to the table again. The AoC is not tangible and is an arbitrarily set minimum. If a twelve year olds brain is allegedly not as developed as that of an adult, why does that not mean they can choose to have sex? Historically many girls got married to older men at a young age and the age of consent laws in countries like Japan are around 13. I can understand with very young children how they cannot be legally competent to engage in sexual acts for various reasons, not to mention the physical harm that could come to the child, but post-puberty a girl (or a boy) is fully able to consent to and understand what sex is. Of course I don't think these people should be abused or exploited, but that's what I believe.
Oh my god smdh tbh.
So what, fam?
I've never consented about going to the traumatic experience they call school but I was forced to go anyway when I was a kid. Where were you faggots to protect me from people forcing me to do something against my consent back then, huh?
Now do you know something that's actually a pleasant experience and far from being traumatic like school is? sex.
Heidegger is a hack.
I'm not convinced at all, you just sound like a closeted hedonist which is just as pointless as nihilist.
okay then fuck off glow-in-the-dark niggerfagot.
low effort, Satan
"School is worse than rape."
wew lad
12 is not post-puberty by the way, you would not be making this argument if you had children of your own.
you fucking take that shit back motherfucker ffff-
I was going to berate you for poor reading comprehension then I realized that an-nil is trying to justify dicking 12-year olds.
Ignoring a line of empirical reasoning to argue based on your personal experience is trash. It's a logic that can justify anything, no? 'He did this so I should be able to do this back'. Please grow up. That said, school is absolutely fucked and I sympathize with you. Question, why shouldn't nihilism merely be a gateway through which we pass towards the construction of new values (transvaluation per Nietzsche)?
Normalfag detected. Back to Reddit
not even the guy you are replying to but,
shut up glow-in-the-dark niggerfaggot
An ontological hacker, that is.
Isn’t that just being a subjectivist?
ancaps get off Zig Forums
Why? All he does is rehashing. Everything from heidegger is either second-hand or just uninteresting.
secondhand from whom faggot? People like Husserl and Bergson?
Interesting ideas stolen from eastern philosophies without credit.
I don't know why people are obsessed with Heidegger's relations with nazis when he was just a mediocre thinker.
Such as?
Yeah, I'd like to see your original criticism of Heidegger.
Something that occurs in a very different way and on a very different timescale than American psychologists would like people to believe. The idea that the brain takes until 18 (or 25 as some are claiming) to mature is absurd. The brain is fully developed by adolescence, and none of the people claiming brain development differences have ever been able to identify what knowledge a teenage genius lacks that an adult of much lower intelligence has which would render the teenager unable to consent but the adult capable of doing so.
You can't just dismiss everything you don't like as a spook. There has to be a system of morality in order for society to function, and it should be based on science. However, the scientific claims underlying certain tenets of these moral systems can and should be open to question, especially when the people making those claims utilize censorship to shut down anyone questioning them.
I'm not a nihilist but am an unironic anti-natalist and annihilationist.
We aren't Stirnerfags you autistic piece of shit.
In Capitalism only profit matters. In Nihilism nothing matters.
you have no idea about anything you're talking about lol
stupid thread
Anyone who is a nihilist should start with themselves if they really walk the walk
(me)
Still waiting to hear which ideas Heidegger 'stole from eastern philosophies'
What am I supposed to do with this shit? Buy a book on amazon or subscribe to get by a paywall? Fuck. You.
I do, the tension here on the death star burgerland is so thick I could cut it with my extremely large and girthy dong. I just don't think I'll live through it.
