I don't know if it's the right thing to do or if I'm exploiting the prostitute for fucking her. But ive always really wanted to do it at least once. So does it make me any less of a Marxist if I decide to go through with it?
Is it cool if I fuck a prostitute?
Yes, it is exploitation and harmful to women. Just get a girlfriend, my man. It’s not that hard
It's actually a very socialist behavior. Keep at it boi
Just do what you want, there isn't any ethical consumption under capitalism anyway
Paying a prostitute to have sex with her is no less of an exploitative activity than buying a loaf of bread at a supermarket or getting a dolphin-shaped plastic keychain at some mall shop. The only way you would not "exploit" anybody would be by buying only stuff made and sold by small-scale employee-owned worker's cooperatives, or local farmers/artisans.
Sex, just like drinking water, is not a commodity to be bought, rented, or sold.
I'm glad I'm not the only one annoyed with this outlook
Obviously living off the products of exploitation is inevitable but I’m not going to go out to do so, that’s beyond stupid and I’m sure any socialist worth their salt would frown on that attitude as well
for wvt pvrpose though?
Is it satisfying to be with someone you have to pay to fuck you?
I find the idea of having sex with someone without any sort of pretext to be very hot. Basically I want to have sex with an attractive stranger and I dont want the hassle of a relationship
Oh well, you do you I guess, as for exploitation the whore probably will expect to be paid what I make in 15 hours or more to lay on her back for 15 minutes so I can't say I feel that terrible for them.
You niggas need to listen to us and read the spook book. Go ahead and pay a hooker to fuck if you want to, paying for pussy ain't gonna transform you into a neoliberal or anything. Just make sure she's not a cop, bring your own condoms or tell her you need special ones if your dick is thin or thick, and don't drink beforehand so your dick works. It's going to be $300-500/hour for a top-tier girl, any more than that and you're getting ripped off. Oh and be very careful since sesta-fosta if you're a burger.
There's several apps for that fam, I use them and can get laid at least once a week with no effort at all.
For the lips of the adulterous woman drip honey,
and her speech is smoother than oil;
but in the end she is bitter as gall,
sharp as a double-edged sword.
Her feet go down to death;
her steps lead straight to the grave.
It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God
[1 Thessalonians 4:3-5]
So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled"
Connected to those verses:
“Therefore, Oholibah, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will stir up your lovers against you, those you turned away from in disgust, and I will bring them against you from every side— 23 the Babylonians and all the Chaldeans, the men of Pekod and Shoa and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them, handsome young men, all of them governors and commanders, chariot officers and men of high rank, all mounted on horses. 24 They will come against you with weapons, chariots and wagons and with a throng of people; they will take up positions against you on every side with large and small shields and with helmets. I will turn you over to them for punishment, and they will punish you according to their standards. 25 I will direct my jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury. They will cut off your noses and your ears, and those of you who are left will fall by the sword. They will take away your sons and daughters, and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire. 26 They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry. 27 So I will put a stop to the lewdness and prostitution you began in Egypt. You will not look on these things with longing or remember Egypt anymore.
tl;dr If you insist on indulging in prostitution God's going to pour out his judgement on you.
Do you have any arguments against it besides moralfagging?
It's probably marketsucc, but there may be capitalism out there.
Just don't. Find some other form that's actually consenting.
list all arguments for prostitution
it maek muh peepee feel gud
t. egoist union gang
this level of central planning is… not my comrade.
Exploitation happens in the production process. Read Marx, faggots.
Why do you assume that I am in favor of it, or that I would actually be interested in paying for the services of one myself? All I said was that OP should do what he wants, and there IS no ethical consumption under capitalism, which you have provided no argument to the contrary.
Why not see what prostitutes have to say on the matter?
I mean, that is the literal basis of "what would socialism do," but no that's too fucking much to ask…
Well, it depends. Surely you shouldn't participate in anything that involves human trafficking. But if it's some person considering prostitution a relatively reasonable way to make money within capitalism, it's fine. Besides, consumers don't exploit workers. Your choosing to use that word in this context should worry you somewhat, and you should purge your head of whatever bits radlib ideology might have been smuggled in there.
Walk me through the logic here. Go into detail too. What moral significance does the amount that workers enjoy production under capitalism have? Do you care in any other type of work? Why?
Also, why exactly is an extremely self-selected group such as redditors (along with those redditors who pretend to be prostitutes) worth using as a source?
Literally just hookup you mongoloid
haha kys lol
Doesn’t mean you have to buy the shit they produce
Also there can be no 'exploitation' because working and such are voluntary transactions.
Its okay when she is part of a union.
Mockery of user's retarded argument clearly not detected
you'll exploit and harm her a lot less when you just fuck and pay and leave OP :^) we here at Zig Forums are sex-worker positive
Do you have any arguments against the brutal rape and murder of every member of your family and friends besides moralfagging?
not him but mutualism and harm principle
sounds like moralfagging to me
well yeah, you would willfully misinterpret it as that since it's an argument against your inanity
You basically admitted that you're genetically inferior since you can't get a girl to fuck you for free
I've had sex before and it was great and all but I just wanted to do it with a 10/10 hooker. As for being "genetically inferior", of course. There's most probably going to be someone more attractive, intelligent, and interesting than us. After all there's over 7 billion people on earth
do you know what this means, you fucking retard? All genetically good means is that you can stick a peepee in vagina and and make babies. that's it. if that's the culmination of genetic superiority then most of the world's population is genetically fit. obviously that's not the case though, now, is it?
Never mind prostitutes.
What about hiring fake friends?
For one day, they will laugh at every stupid joke you pull, let you win on all the games you are playing, talk with you about topics only you find interesting and at the end of the day they cash out and move out of your life forever.
…but generally still in the fourierian gift economy. p2p marketsoc in the now.
Hence the thread.
"Genetically," I assume brain-stem hookers hella overcompete, but brainstemming them for this is, like, hella like capitaliist relations so it belongs on the other pol. Genetic outcompetition is… overrated like that.
"Some people have great urges to pretend they are emulating the genetically superior."
PAGAN GANG ASSEMBLE
Probably less exploitative than wearing the clothes you wear that were made by child slave workers.
Prostitutes are sex workers, pimps are bourgeois.
So if she does not have a pimp, I guess it's ok.
depends…I'm not SWE or pro-SW at all. trad above all
Fuck off retard.
ChristCom Gang is right, don't sin OP
Those already exist. Theyre called therapists and life coaches
Shes exploiting you.
Because she gets free sex from you AND money.
It win win for her.
That >imblies that sex with him is something she wants independently of remuneration and/or possibly shitty working conditions, reddit.
Women do enjoy sex as well you incel.
one of us sure is
classist bullshit I'd expect from some post-modern abortion
A lot of prostitutes are ugly too.
Yeah, but if you're shilling out 300-500 you can be reasonably sure they're hot. Except in Vegas, but you should avoid that place anyways.
Even the hot ones are ugly on the inside.
Yeah organs do look nasty.
I knew this girl with a really beautiful pancreas and gall bladder.
Fucking someone isn't a greater level of exploitation than any other form of participation in the economy. The food you eat, the clothes you wear, and the computer you typed this on probably involved a lot more human misery in their creation than hiring a prostitute would.
Making that food, clothing and iphone computer require more instrumentality and skill than masturbating, therefore I think going to a prostitute is at least somewhat more exploitative than wearing sweatshop clothes.
You are and absolute idiot; the woman has to ascertain your fitness before she lets you. You have to look good or prove that you're a cut above the rest.
Not with the ugly fucks that have to pay for it.
and what are you claiming she bases this on?
Prostitutes generally are much better at sex than regular women so I enjoy going to them more. There's lots of good looking guys who hire hookers user
You didn't read my post brainlet. How is it that the majority of people are able to breed?
Nothing commies do is cool. Hopefully you get AIDS and die, OP.
the grown-ups are talking, how about you go watch a youtube video or something okay?
I wouldn't know where to get AIDS now that your mom had to stop working the streets due to her weight issues.
Bull. The facade a hooker puts on when begrudgingly letting some neckbeard poke her with his centimeter peter doesn't come close to a primal lust driven fuck session with a woman who submits to you and your cock in recognition of your genetic fitness. Nothing like her clawing into you and wrapping her legs around you as she begs for your seed
Height, face, frame, status/reputation. I got laid because I beat the shit out of a college football player and got him airlifted.
fuck off with that noise tbh
my uncle who works at nintendo can confirm this
He got life-flighted because he hit his head on a fire hydrant after I hit him then I knee dropped his head and neck a few times. Still knocked his ass down
wow what a badass giving us tales of when he was a college student doing dumb shit
kys my man
I'm in college now. This happened in the summer after I graduated
Nigga I'm 5'9" poorfag but good looking and in shape and see dudes uglier, shorter, and broker than me getting laid all the time. If you live in a major city all you have to do is not be a complete autist and take decent care of yourself to get laid regularly.
You're describing here sounds pretty boring to me personally.
the details you give make your story believable somehow, I sure am impressed and intimidated!
He said explicitly don't be autistic (or dyslexic for that matter) and care for yourself, i.e. grooming, fitness, diet. Studies have shown that behavior like that statistically increases your chances of making sexual relationships.
Now call for a psychologist's appointment and fuck off.
Zig Forumsyp incel detected
genetics only determines body size
all else is environment
Prostitution apologism refuted.
Socialism is when workers' voices get pushed out by a great leader who decides what is morally appropriate, and the more workers' voices are marginalized, the socialister it is!
You must not come out much if you believe it's feminist youtube videos that are marginalizing the voices of women who have to work off twenty men a day.
Yes bee urself you retards, if you put on a fake persona you're either getting rejected or going to hate yourself. The incel delusion about women being massive sluts riding the cock carousel while simultaneously being so picky that any man who isn't a 10/10 chad only gets the leftovers is absurd. If you take care of yourself and don't uncontrollably spew retarded shit you can find a woman willing to fuck you. Go to the gym, grrom yourself, wear clothes that fit, and talk to actual women irl.
For anons who don't want to wait through a 10-minute video, here's the script: ellyarrow.wordpress.com
Within the first paragraph the author fucks up the comparison of sex work to retail work by focusing on the "products" sold rather than the labor itself and makes it seem that arguments in favor of sex workers are treating sex similar to food or shopping bags. This is false, what is being compared is the degradation of having to work to create or deliver the food or shopping bags, and not only should anyone who has worked in retail or restaurants be able to say how such work is grueling and degrading but on a communist board in particular we should understand that all work is degrading by nature of being wage labor. Of course sex is different from meals, just as meals is different from building houses and building houses is different from being a sewing clothes; what is common among all these acts is that within capitalism as work they all involve doing (often unpleasant) tasks in exchange for money needed to survive.
The author then quotes only former sex workers who agree with her views while ignoring the women(and men and non-binary folks) "voluntarily" engaging in such that can easily be found on twitter or other places where they are more than willing to share their opinions. Obviously interviewing every single hooker and tallying their opinions is impossible, but ignoring organizations such as SWOP or the various hookers that can be found on twitter and have a view contrary to the author is either erroneous or deception by omission. Thus we only have stories of abuse and not the stories like "it sucks but at least I can feed my kids unlike being a waitress" or "it was this of driving an Uber for less than a tenth of what I make in 4x the time" that can be found among many leftist hookers, depriving us of a decent estimation of sex worker experiences. The author has traded an objective analysis for spooked moralism and as such fails to illustrate the complete reality of sex work as being what some women (and men and non-binary folks) resort to in order to pay their bills as any other job.
As a refutation, it is poor as it fails to refute the assertion that sex work is work (and that all work is shit that should be abolished) and instead throws moralism at the reader to shock them into thinking sex work is uniquely bad. When we "prostitution apologists" say "sex work is work" and support sex workers, we are supporting workers in their actions to better their conditions and including them in the class struggle. We do not want to retain prostitution or any work, we simply reject the notion that sex work is uniquely bad because orifices get stuffed and johns have preferences. The inability of swerfs to understand this, or even acknowledge the argument instead of screeching about wanting to enslave women, is indicative of them putting their moralism above the real life conditions of workers and the class struggle in general.
Incels should be shot on sight.
for what purpose?