This is a topic that interests me a lot but I haven't seen it being discussed too in depth. Have any marxist authors written about ethics or are there any ethics schools that are compatible with marxism?
Recently I read Spinoza's Ethics and it didn't click with me but I'm thinking of going on a case by case basis. I have two examples that I want to discuss: I know that in capitalism the consumer has no choice, either choice is meaningless but I feel this question will be more relevant if we were playing another businessman or if we lived in a liberal fantasy of total agent autonomy.
ethics and materialism don't really mesh. Indeed I try to argue that any other system but moral nihilism is impossible in
Samuel Brooks
Ethics are a social construct that change based off of the society you live in. Modern day ethics are based of Bourgeois values. As such in this society exploiting surplus labor is ethical. In a socialist society such exploitation would be unethical. There no using Bourgieous ethics to point out what a Porky is doing is bad, because these ethics are made by Porkies. Workers must create there own ethical code and follow that one, not the current one.
John Brown
Moral nihilism is a position one comes to after being alienated in capitalist society, I will argue its just as idealistic any any other ethics system is to you.
That's what I'm looking for, ethics that are compatible with materialism Historically marxist thinkers have dismissed ethics under the argument you make but I think that fails to see the full picture and I think ethics should not be about what's right or wrong but dare to explain why things are right or wrong
Levi Kelly
To be fair Ethics don’t exist in nature.
Jayden Morris
Morals don’t exist, period. It has nothing to do with alienation
Aaron Thompson
Neither does philosophy but that's beside the point.
Morals are not ethics What concerns me isn't why something is forbidden or not according to a moral system
Dominic Walker
Ethnics is retarded and have no basis in objective reality.
fek off
Robert Powell
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Julian Cooper
Found an article talking about the matter It talks about how Marx rejected ethics and his criticism is important to it.
Evan Lee
So? We live in a world of subjectivity. Everything from our taste in food to the items we economically value to the magic of art and literature has no basis in objective reality either (whatever the fuck objective reality is), but why does that lessen its value?
Leo Hill
Sounds interesting. Could you link to it?
To be honest, while I still value morality (although perhaps not so much conventional morality) it seriously annoyed me how people treat their ethics like objective moral absolutes.
Because I recognise ethics as something which is subjective and you either value or don't value, I honestly can have a friendly conversation with a sociopathic serial rapist, and so long as we respect each other his ethics or lack there of won't concern me.
I just can't stand porkies though, no matter how subjective morality is, I will instantly kill and roast a porky the nanosecond I see one.
Jayden Hughes
Like seriously, the occasional serial rapist can't ruin everything which is beautiful about life, but a porky can.
Nolan Martinez
Click on the clipboard thumbnail and you'll get a pdf
Yes it's very annoying because morals and ethics are very different subjects and confusing one for the other is just a hopeless statement. What really interests me are the arguments beyond the 'this is wrong' or 'this is bad', like what if something that is good for one is forbidden by society or how should one act upon seeing an act one disproves of? Those are the thinks that really make one think.
Samuel Walker
That is one hell of an assumption to make. Given that particular tastes in various art form tend to be prevalent in certain geographical regions and that tastes are often acquired, I am inclined to believe that physical exposure to particular art forms directly influences taste.
Jacob Brooks
Bump
Luke Ortiz
That doesn't make it objective.
Blake Lopez
Both need to have their business seized by the proletariat for reasons that have nothing to do with any details other than the fact that they're business owners. Any justice meted out should be done through some kind of court proceeding separate from reallocating business assets to the public.
Justin Sanders
Bookchin's entire project was the development of an objectively grounded ethics—objectively grounded in the ontological evolution of nature. He drew upon Kropotkin, Marx, Hans Jonas, and others.
