DSA History

What in the actual fuck? How did this ever happen?

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But, I've got a polite answer, though, too -
for a long time, afaik, the whole thing about Steinem being a government agent was basically ignored by a lot of people. The strongest voices against her on this front were probably radfems who, notably, were wildly wrong about almost everything else. Or maybe it's just 'cuz I wasn't there - but that's the impression I get, that the radical feminists were out exposing her and basically a few other groups acknowledged it but mostly people just kind of ignored it or tacitly accepted her dubious claims of innocence. And the DSA might not even be radical enough to care anyway - because you can just say "oh, she's respected and we like what she writes" or "maybe she's one of the good ones" or "why would the government need to spy on us?" or something like that, and you'll feel fine with your choice and rational and secure and there will be other perfectly intelligent people willing to agree. Because it's all true and fair, and the narrative never fully shifted against her - theoretically, someone can go through a government front and come out a good person a decade later, theoretically good people can be in the CIA, etc. - these are not entirely unreasonable assumptions, but on the other hand the consequences of assuming them and being wrong are significant. If you're wrong, you're allowing someone who's made a career out of sabotaging the left to coordinate against you from within your organization with the help of ridiculously powerful agencies. And all to look respectable and not like those paranoid hardliners of old. Questionable.

I thought I killed her. Damn zombies.

>In my experience The Agency was completely different from its image; it was liberal, nonviolent and honorable.

CIA did it. I knew the DSA was the new CPUSA. Full on front organization for COINTELPRO.

Who the fuck is Steinem?

Gloria Steinem. One of the largest (probably top two or three) names in American feminism.

its heartbreaking that Bob Black was a snitch

Orwell was a snitch too

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she was a jew

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The DSA was (and still largely is) the "left wing" of the Democratic party. Seems like a lot of older members still think it should be that way too.

Very dank meme comrade

it's like how the CIA launched abstract art
& the bourgeoisie use abstract art to launder money
& stupid idiot art students pretend something else is the case because they want money for nothing

nytimes.com/2013/05/13/arts/design/art-proves-attractive-refuge-for-money-launderers.html
theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-business/european-business/economists-urge-tighter-regulations-to-curb-money-laundering-in-art-market/article26217852/
quora.com/Do-people-buy-expensive-art-to-launder-money/answer/Caleb-Kiu
hopesandfears.com/hopes/culture/art/214699-guide-to-laundering-money-art
forbes.com/2003/04/08/cx_0408hot.html#3b2a8e4766fc
academia.edu/14139270/IS_THERE_ANY_LINK_BETWEEN_THE_CONTEMPORARY_ART_WORLD_AND_MONEY_LAUNDERING_A_THEORETICAL_ANALYSIS
newser.com/story/177753/art-auctions-are-just-money-laundering.html

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The DSA is only socialist in name. They are socdems at best.

Besides, the american left has been taken by rabid SJWs since the late 60s/early 70s, ever since the new left became a thing. I remember back in the 70s a lot of faggots bitch about "class reductionism", way before modern day, college campus SJWs and turd wave feminists invented the term "brocialist".

Long-story-short: Never trust political parties. Steinem is an obnoxious whore and was a massive cheerleader for Hillary Clinton, because "muh female president". Bonus points who also point out she's a transphobe, making her "intersectional" feminism hypocritical.

As a matter of fact, I've far more respect for Valerie Solanas and Andrea Dworking, if only because at least they had the outright balls to admit they hated men and wanted us extinct, unlike Steinem.

The DSA until recently has been a full-blown wing of the Democratic Party and all the older members still treat it that way. It is only recently that radicals have tried to co-opt it, but that hasn't been going very well. It doesn't help normies are joining and diluting the more radical elements as well. The communist split with the DSA may need to come much sooner than expected if the chapters that supported liberal candidates don't learn their lesson.

Orwell?

Yeah when he was on his greave and was suffering from Tuberculosis which makes your mind funny.

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Interesting. I'd love to hear some stories, if you've been around for a while.

Depends on the chapter tbh

(me)
More specifically there seems to be some older chapters that have been around since the 80s that have the older (socdem) members still in them. Then there is a mix of new people who are a mix of real socialists and radicals and also Bernie-type socdems. I don't know whether it's a good or bad to have this ideological mixture tbh

I just don't know the theory or have the experience.

Some of the newer chapters that are outside the established coastal cities seem to be more radical. Just from personal experience it is night and day between the local chapter here and the liberal activist groups. The DSA will outright say "abolish capitalism" and drop banners off highways with that written on it, and the right-wing types locally will go into conniptions and think it's the end of the world. That's good.

Even within chapters there are dissenting factions. There were a large number of people in NYC chapters opposed to backing Cynthia Nixon and ACO. I even thought they were being a bit ridiculous before, but they've been vindicated with how things turned out. I will be going back to a more hard-line position with how disappointing these DSA endorsed candidates have been.

Yeah my chapter doesn't make endorsements at all, though it is starting to dip its toes into it with an electoral working group. But the region here in particular is very poorly developed politically.

holy shit, post-leftist anarchism BTFO

is that you, 1789…? I want to believe

so she's a cianigger. that's the least surprising news I've heard all day.

btw pretty much every 2nd wave feminist had ties to the CIA, they were corrupt then and corrupt now. just get rid of it.

The DSA isn't a political party. It's basically just a social club for people who know that they don't like capitalism but don't actually know what socialism is.

Better than nothing. Gets people into reading Marx for real for the first time in their lives.

I mean the whole “diversity of thought, unity of action” thing is fine, but banning criticism of a line or policy after it has been decided upon is idiotic.

If the DSA adopted demcent, the big chapters in New York would outvote everyone and endorse endorsing succdems and public criticism of the position be subject to immediate expulsion.

You all know I'm right too.