Whats your opinion on saying "nigger"?

Whats your opinion on saying "nigger"?

Do you think it actually hurts the African American community or do you agree with Stokely Carmichael in this image?

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doesn't this better apply to anarchism?

Tbh I agree with this guy but obviously I wouldn't say nigger around a black person even unironically (unlesd they were a good friend and I'd knew they wouldn't mind). And being honest I don't think I've ever used nigger unironically or as what it's actually supposed to be used as an insult for.

I really don't care and any person who makes the word a political issue has zero sense of priorities and should have all their opinions ignored, especially black people who make it a political issue.

I see no reason to say it in my daily life.

It only hurts feelings and is a non-issue compared to police and prison industry. You shouldn't say it irl though, if only to be polite to fellow workers.

We're on an anarchist aligned board and anarchism is inherently anti-capitalist.

there is already a thread on idpol/race
this is a chan board so people say it but racism epithets are a double-edged sword and you always hurt yourself by hurting others

sure, but states involves hierarchies that are basically impossible to make ethnically equal

Both insisting on saying and not saying it is retarded. It's inappropriate for most situations but all in all a very insignificant problem.
By the way, referring to black americans, whose ancestors have lived in america for many generations, as 'african americans' is dumb. Immigrants from africa is what 'african american' logically refers to. That definition even includes fucking Elon Musk.

I agree with Stokely, but I also think it's a bad idea to bandy around quotes from him considering he eventually morphed into a dumb black nationalist.

Racism, whether people like it or not, is also some form of IdPol. Being obssessed with racialism is IdPol, in on itself.

Nobody's gonna stop you from saying nigger; just don't pretend you'll always get away with it, specially IRL. If you call a black dude a nigger, expect getting your face fucked up.

I don't say any racial slur, because, for one, I am a latino and two, as I pointed out above, racism is also IdPol. I will defend my black comrades if someone's actually trying to hurt them/kill them on the basis of being an ethnic minority, but black people should simply ignore the internet tough guys calling them racial slurs. After all, the internet dickwad theory is a thing.

Tl;dr: If someone's treatening you with physical violence because you're black, I'll fight alongside you. If some random racist shitbag calls you a nigger on the internet, just get over it. I often get called a spic on the internet and I simply ignore those fuckfaces.

I'm honestly split. For a long time I was all for people being allowed to say the N word, fly any hateful flags they wanted, etc., because it would show who they are, and then everyone could reject them.

However, the recent rise of far right reactionary nationalism makes the rise in hate speech troubling. I do have the desire to stymie the rise.

But I think I'm reverting back to my original position, with a caveat: while I'm all for free speech, the tactic shouldn't be to shut down what they're saying. It should be to expose them. The thing that makes the "alt right" insidious is that they try to mask their hate with a more acceptable presentation. Don't let them. Call them out on their bigotry.

So yeah, I'm fine with racists using the N word because it let's everyone know what a piece of shit they are. But for the non-racists, it's important to be cognizant of the impact it has. The reason there's no slur for white people with the same impact is because no word carries the same implications. The N-word means worthlessness, and evokes myths of inferiority, as well as a history of brutal oppression. You should know that that's what goes through many black people's minds when they hear that word, especially people from the south, who have experienced racism to a greater degree.

How tho? Capital only cares about profit. Certainly it will pretend to care about immaterial spooks like identity and will go to great lengths to force such idealism down people's throats, but only if it helps material gain.

That's exactly it, though. It redirects the oppressed worker's rage away from the exploitative system, and toward other workers. That keeps people both docile and divided.

Capitalism uses Racism to get material gain. The bourgeoise pits proles against other proles so that they point blame at one another instead of banding together to overthrow the bourgeoise. The bourgeoise also profits off of racism.

whiteboi, honkey, pig, cracka, so on mean nothing,who cares?
respond with nig and they lose it.
lel

Interesting. So, might one even say that capitalism manufactures racism?

lmao what is this nigger on about?

Yes. Or rather, systems of exploitation in general protect and reproduce themselves by keeping the exploited classes divided. Great example for slavery is Bacon's Rebellion and the resulting Virginia Slave Codes.

Language is literally how we use it, so if you think racial slurs are bad you should use them some other way more frequently than racists use them as slurs, my nigga.

But more importantly this
The reason the word nigger is even an issue is because people are insensitive and/or malicious and don't know or care to consider how other people will take what you say. White people who whinge about not being allowed to say nigger think it's a problem that they aren't allowed to say something, but what is actually happening is they personally lack the capacity to say nigger in a context that isn't insulting, but they want to be able to say what they want without consequences or having to consider other people.

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Say what you want, but typing it feels gross, so I could break that feeling, or I could just not. And I don't feel like it. So suck my cock ;)

Did you get lost on your way to reddit?

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You're either en edgy 12 year old, or you have the mind of one


I don't care if you type it. I just didn't feel like doing so myself. Stay spooked.

I'll take that as a yes.

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You'd fit in better on Zig Forums

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its ok if you want to call someone a jewish nigger behind their back for refusing to loan you money.

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Yep, that's exactly how I feel.

I should expand, you're right to point out that hypocrisy, and maybe I should reflect on that.

Is that letter legit??
What an intolerable twat.

It does mean stingy after all.

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its legit lol
hiaw.org/defcon6/works/1862/letters/62_07_30a.html

reflect on it back on reddit nigger

Are you sure you're in the right place?

Paradoxically, such people (recent emigres) are often termed "American-Africans".


I held this opinion too, also about the BPP, lumping them in with idpol subhumans like the NoI. But on reading about their actual doctrinaire ideology and positions, I now think history has treated them unfairly, and they were legitimately socialist and anti-idpol. Seriously, throw me a later quote of his that seems spooped, and I'll give you the context that shows the legitimacy of his position.

Because anodyne racism can be targeted and suppressed on the basis of its racism, but racism hiding behind capitalism is invincible and indistinguishable. Because the unaccountable and arbitrary cruelty we're forced to accept from capitalists, in order for capitalism to function, is functionally identical to racism, whether or not it's racially motivated.

tl;dr racism under capitalism is like murder and theft during wartime, it's the perfect smokescreen.

I personally hate the word but I'm OK with a socialist using it if they just want to piss some braindead liberal off.

Why? Its just a word.

Are you a feelings emotionfag?

I don't see that picture claiming it to be okay to call other people derogatory terms.

You're acting really asspained, but I'm not fully understanding why. Are you really this miserable?

I am just opposed to people being banned for it, pretty ambivalent otherwise

I’m against it. People that are for it are just butt hurt white people that lack any type of self awareness and recoil in horror at even the slightest hint of racism against white people. Prove me wrong.

I just think it's ugly. You're the one getting emotional here.

Niggers would be saying nigger if they could speak English, instead they say nigga because they can only manage ebonics and pidgin

Burden of proof, nigger

The word is rooted in the slavery and systematic/social oppression of black people, right? Then why would it ever find its way into the vocabulary of leftists? I know we all grew up on chans and are used to it as a sort of lackadaisical insult. But the reality is that language has power, and going around spouting nigger as a leftist really does nothing but make us look stupid, at best. At worst you are potentially turning hundreds of people away from leftism on the daily, and sure maybe theyre just "IDpol retards durr" but you're not fucking helping by turning off people who could be radicalized and made to see how IDpol is counter revolutionary. Grow up user. This isn't a joke and we will get nowhere being edgelords who feel obligated to test how easily offended people are. Any reactionary behavior acted out by Zig Forumsyps should be wholly rejected here if we are truly comrades with class and intellect.

This is actually a case where it can be proven wrong. See: all the black people who say the word.

To understand, you must lurk. Lurk moar.

You put in good effort an deserve a response.

Word use is complex and most words have complex meanings. Lots of people (me included) are for reclaiming the word nigger. I'm categorically against things like Unspeakable Words by virtue of being an anarchist and that being a form of hierarchy.
I think the idea that people are arguing for "spouting nigger" is a misrepresentation of what most of us are saying ITT. This is an attitude people have, and I go into that in this post
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think people are saying it's a good idea to say nigger for the fuck of it. I'll say it in context regardless of who's around, which is generally as mention vs. use in discussing people's use of the word. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use–mention_distinction
I've never had anybody call me a racist for that (though I've had liberals recoil in horror at me talking frankly about race) and I'm extremely white.
Do you really think that saying nigger is necessarily reactionary? And you're kind of just using that as a pejorative here. It doesn't really fit the definition unless you're saying that being able to say nigger is a prior state and that liberals are revolutionaries who changed the world for the better by stopping people from saying nigger.

Shock value is a necessary part of a functioning online forum larger than a handful of personal acquaintances, just as much as anonymity. I've come to accept this through seeing what happens to "nice" venues.

First niceness gets expanded to encompass disagreement or strife of any kind, then rules get put in place to hash out these definitions, then hotpockets get appointed to enforce them, then hierarchy climbing sociopathic personalities infiltrate all of these positions.

I sometimes tire of the porn, the gore, the expletives, the sarcasm, the hostility, and yes, the ironic (sometimes unironic) racism/nazis/tankies/etc.. I sometimes miss the "nice" forums I remember, in the brief period between their creation and their being completely overwhelmed. But it's the only alternative that actually works.

Trolling is the lifeblood of any sustainable community

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I'm following you, but I still don't understand what is worth defending about it. I think it's fine for black people to reclaim the word, and in a way they already have. This requires their historical oppressor to let go ownership. We agree racism exists. But we don't agree that nigger is an inherently racist word? That's a question for a historian I guess, but I don't really see how you could go far trying to argue that, in this age, it is not an inherently racist word and related to the chattel slavery of black people and used in hatred by whites for decades afterwords. If a communist state is supposed to naturally eradicate racism and sexism etc, then what purpose is there in fighting IDpol on this front? Why not just fucking drop it. It's a shitty word and I hope it's forgotten honestly. There were a lot of other anons with good points in this thread. And I hear what you're saying too, but I just think leftists need a way to fight IDpol that is almost unrecognizable from how Zig Forumsyps do it (albeit in contradiction) I know a lot of anons do not live in cities, and trust me there is a huge difference between saying this on Zig Forums vs Facebook vs IRL. You will have 0 friends, no matter how righteous you think you're being.

Obviously. Internet culture is a lot different than RL.

Anyway it all depends on the intent. It's not racist if you're not using it in a racist way.

still don't see how that's really possible or…why? other than for the lulz but come on.

lmao guys look at this nigger he thinks saying nigger is racist in all scenarios and circumstances lmao this fucking nigger lmao

My proof is all the butt hurt white people that get mad that you can't say it. Just do an internet search on the myriad of times places like Fox News has covered it.
But come on, we both know you and your sandy vagina hate that you can't say it.

Ah yes, major record labels are truly representative of the black proletariat. Most of that shit music is bought by honkies

Lol nice spooks. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. White owned record labels made the word popular to use every day. Most black people don't like it.

Deep down all white people are racists, that why they insist that using the n-word even leftists, is innocuous. If you're not a brainlet and have read any real history on what chattel slavery was like the word would make you recoil.
Of course most of you first world brats are illiterate anarchists so you have zero grounding in any history that doesn't romanticize Anarchism. Saying the n word, especially from a white person, is the number one way to tell if your dealing with someone that has unwarranted self importance.
Like to see you edgy cunts joke with your mom how your grandma died in serious pain before passing away.

autism/10

Don't be so quick to judge, read the whole letter. Lasalle told Marx he should pimp out his daughter.

Lasalle can't take the bants:

Marx and his wife sound like good company, tbh.

I’d laugh but… ugh can’t… my mocking would just tickle through one ear and out the other like water. It’d be like insulting my dog.

Stop being a nigger. Where did you even come from?

Stop being an un read brainlet burger suburban honky.

just call them baboons

ITT white edgelord anons who have never lived outside their small town bubble.

I think you should be allowed to say it, as long as you aren't a nigger about it.

1. If you're going to talk about adult topics like racism you shouldn't whitewash or sugarcoat it, including not saying certain words. There's a history behind all this stuff, including trying to ban or censor criticism of racism. Huck Finn is the classic example. A major point of the book is to criticize racism by illustrating what it's like. If you use Find and Replace to turn all mentions of nigger into slave you blunt the edges of satire that's attacking racism. It's the same shit where white people watching 12 Years a Slave avert their eyes and say they don't want to see this shit. It's denying reality and history, which gets in the way of us culturally processing this collective trauma, resolving it, and moving on.

2. Boundaries are a necessary part of social interaction, as is crossing boundaries. We have different boundaries for different people according to how close we are to them, how much we trust them. Where there are taboos or difficult subjects, engaging those (crossing boundaries) with people you trust enough is part of having a closer relationship with some people than with others. That's a major part of why nigga caught on as much as it did. It's a way of expressing solidarity, shared experience and struggle. As long as nigger/nigga exists in its current state people will use it this way anyway.


As opposed to the black people who agree with the values of Bill Cosby and Thomas Sowell and think black people should behave themselves? :^)
Not what that word means. You have it almost exactly backwards. Thinking the word nigger has some kind of voodoo power in and of itself is the spook.
Doesn't apply here.
Even if you're correct about this, it doesn't change the fact that the word is just a word and it means whatever we use it to mean. Making the word commonplace instead of taboo is an improvement. Just because capitalists did something doesn't mean it's bad. "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." t. Lenin

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its just a word, like wop, gypsy, potato farmer, Capitalist, towelhead, etc

stop giving words ammo and learn to self crit

"capitalist"

see what I mean? word filters are stupid and mods are gheyretarded

The filters aren't censorship (a simple Unicode homeoglyph generator will bypass them), they're just a prank to infuriate stormniggers.

yeah that ship has sailed.

Their historical oppressor is dead.

I'm for maximum freedom for everybody, and that includes the rather important to freely speak about controversial and upsetting topics. Disallowing this kind of speech is repression (mostly in the psychological sense) that's stopping us from moving on past racism.
White People™ and Black People™ don't exist in the sense you're describing. Don't reify the arbitrary distinction that underpins racism. Cry out against it. Declare that discrimination based on this distinction must end. If you're for that then you can't be for preventing the wrong color people from saying a word.
I don't agree that any word is inherently anything. Language is a tool made by use and constantly shaped and reshaped. For nigger to be inherently racist, the racism would have to be a property of physical laws, not a behavioral phenomenon. At present it doesn't have quite the same connotations in Europe.
No. I don't know why you would even say something like that. You just need a basic understanding of how language works to understand why the statement makes no sense. Words mean what we use them for. They have denotations (concrete meanings) and connotations (associative meanings), and they have aesthetics (how the word itself sounds). All of these are subjective and change over time.
Well then you're choosing not to because I already explained that language is living. If you want to say you disagree with that, then at least I wouldn't think you were being disingenuous here. I don't like to repeat myself because somebody is claiming that I didn't explain something that I did.
Because racism is idpol. When people fight material problems that someone deals with, that doesn't become idpol just because there's an identitarian ideological basis for it. If that were true then class struggle would become idpol the moment the bourgeoisie started calling themselves "people of money" and declaring poor people wealthphobic. Opposing racism is opposing idpol. Where that turns into idpol itself is when it tries to establish some new form of discrimination, e.g. stopping white people from saying nigger.
Are you seriously saying you think people should not learn from history? Because you were just talking about the historical importance of this word.
You sound like a porky with this line, and it's clearly false because I explained how language is fluid and you follow that with "I don't really see how you could go far trying to argue that, in this age, it is not an inherently racist word."
Zig Forumsyps don't fight idpol. They reify it. So do liberals by enforcing race-based speech codes. Black people getting shit on is bad because people get shit on, not because the shitting on results from seeing them as black.
Yeah it's pretty clear that you're not reading what you're replying to because I already addressed this

I'm far more surprised abour the fact that leftpol wordfilters "k¡ke", yet "nigger" is allowed.

I mean, jewish "ethnicity" is liberal horseshit. At least the black race is based on actual biological factors (high levels of melanin), so I get why "nigger" is offensive to black people, but "k¡kes"?

How about leftist jews stop associating with judaism? Religion is cancer and you're shooting yourselves in the foot. You're not "ethnic jews"; you're human beings. Drop the bullshit already.

Because Zig Forums is more obsessed with jews than niggers.

Fair enough. Albeit it's still ridiculous letfist jews embrace the"good kind" of identitarianism. It's all cancer.

Why are the idpolers from left twitter and r/socialism invading this thread?

That is what that word means. You’re trying to set up an ideological frame work that suits your prejudices. You want the casual use of the word normalized because your a cry baby honkie that grew up with that word even though you’re too ignorant why people in the past kept it alive, and why people try to keep the use of the word continued today.
Having white people or really anyone use the word how it’s used isn’t in myself interest. Chattel slavery didn’t end all that long ago, and we are still living with the deep scars the historical materialism of that era left.
Which is why I challenged you punks to do something more personal and immediate, like send a birthday card to your aunt for her miscarried baby as a “joke”. All of a sudden your hypocritical spooks come out and you rationalize how you can’t do that because it’s to immediate, you know that person etc, etc, Chattel slavery was 1000x worse and that word invokes it, but you dumb honkies want to white wash it’s real legacy by making it a joke.

Ah yes, fighting racism… with racism. Very productive.

God damn your a whiny bitch. People that shit on are censoring lol. Say it more, but quit fucking crying when people won’t make the entire world a hug box for your misanthropic retardation.

You must be a honkie if that bothered you enough to comment on it.

Word that has lost a lot of power but is still useful at identifying edgy jackasses.

being productive is gay

I don't go on Zig Forums, they love money more than your average khazar and want to make the white working man work longer hours for less pay. fuck that bullshit.

You must be a nigger if that bothered you enough to comment on it. Around and around we go.

maybe it's because I've dealt with so many liberals who make opposition to anyone who says "nigger" the central part of their politics, but I seriously don't care. I'm a materialist, it's just a word, and you don't need to say it to plunge black proles deeper into poverty and desparation.

A white person saying the word is an implicit threat of violence that is NOT the same as cracka or honkey said by a black person.

I don't think the latter is good either, but there's a difference in level.

Explain your reasoning.

because in recent memory black people in the west were second class citizens and there were things like lynch mobs.

It may be over now, but the cultural memory remains.

This still has nothing to do with imageboard shitposting, the entire purpose of which is to be utterly impersonal and diffuse.

It's crucial to our format that we break down the false barriers of asshurt and pretension in the newfag's mind that separate "respectable, sincere, trustworthy speech" from "hateful invective", forcing them to ignore polite bullshit and identity, evaluating every post purely on its contents, rather than its form or source. Through trolling, truth.


The Civil War was 150 years ago, by contrast, vicious racism against Irish, Italians, other Catholics, Germans, Jews, Japanese, etc., is infinitely more recent, yet nobody's bitching about it today. Furthermore, such racism affected the ancestors of the overwhelming majority of the population, who have zero ancestral relationship to any part of antebellum slavery. Even the civil rights era was 50 years ago.

Grow the fuck up.

A few decades isn't that much time, retard.

It's 3 whole generations, the generations from that time (baby boomers) being in their 60s-80s. All that meaningfully remains is lingering poverty.

nigger nigger nigger nigger I'm 100% nigger

Nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger, I am 200% nigger.

The category "second-class citizens" contains everyone save the bourgeoisie regardless of identitarian teams.

It says "nigga"

Most AAVE speakers also speak "normal" vernacular English with little issues whatsoever, also eat shit and go back to your containment board.

Let this very thread be proof of my statement. Making a fuzz about it is idpol but also saying it seems to attract the most shitty of nazis because it's also fucking idpol. Gee wonder what the right course of action is in this case.

dice 1d6 if even ppl should say nigger

y/n