When is it good? When is it bad? Where do we acknowledge that a movie, cartoon, or tv series had the occasional good idea worth making canon? What are some bad examples? What are some things that SHOULD be canon, if any ideas still exist? Naturally these ideas vary, from simple cosmetics or outright retcons all in the effort to boost comic sales and tap into a more casual market.
Pic related is one such example, which I'm sure has mixed reactions. In the climax of Nick Spencer's Astonishing Ant-Man, Darren Cross takes possession of one of Hank Pym's prototype Yellowjacket suits since the mantle was left vacant after Hank fused with Ultron
Harley originated outside of comics and was popular enough to get introduced in them.
The absolute worse example came when Marc Guggenheim took over writing Green Arrow for an arc and then immediately introduced Felicity and made sure Oliver looked like Stephen Amell.
Benjamin White
As long as it doesn’t rock the boat. Synergy is fine if it’s for something not being used or if it’s unpopular.
Landon Butler
Considering there has not been an evil Yellowjacket since the early 90s, and DeMara's costume was plain and kind of dumb, I do not see much of a problem with this.
Only issue I have is that there are plenty of other evil Pym Particle people roaming around like the evil Giant Man/Goliath, Black Ant, not sure what is going on with Stinger right now, Power Broker has pym technology, lots of other people without having to go make a new OC Yellowjacket.
Wyatt Garcia
>When is it good? When the new concept is better than the original and can be imported without disrupting the themes and dynamics of the comic.
>When is it bad? When it isn't.
Jacob King
Comics Cyborg would be way better if he was more like literally any of his cartoon or live action counterparts, Teen Titans, Teen Titans Go, Lego and Doom Patrol are all way better than his comics self >b-but change is baaad Characters drastically change all the time even nowadays.
Jaxon Cox
Synergy is good when it saves characters from obscurity and new good material is made thanks to it. A shame that not even movie synergy was able to save Hank Pym at the moment, he still has a chance though.
Henry James
If we go by movie synergy then Pym will simply retire as a superhero for good and be a full time scientist.
Jaxson Powell
Synergy was bad when they did it to 2018 Guardians and Star Lord was a bumbling music loving moron, Groot could not talk for unexplained reasons, and they took a raptor ship that was just the Benatar in comic form.
I was not a fan of BTAS having Burton Penguin with the flippers, while he still had the comic personality. It was a weird mix. Almost all appearances of the Spider-Man symbiote include the cartoon version that made Peter go evil while wearing it
Some other concepts work better than the comic versions. At least Cross Yellowjacket has better reasoning than DeMara who was some thief who just wanted to steal a cool suit one day. BTAS Clayface did a better job of it than any of the comic versions, and the modern Clayface is essentially cartoon Hagan anyway.
Joshua Robinson
That's ok, he needs to rest from all the bullshit. Anything is better than him getting his soul devoured by a monster.
Gabriel Moore
Comic Pym did that back in the 80s
Josiah Edwards
this
Landon Stewart
Hagen from the cartoon had Karlo's background of being an actor anyways, I don't mind them using a similar backstory for the modern version of Clayface.
Brayden Campbell
>The absolute worse example came when Marc Guggenheim took over writing Green Arrow for an arc and then immediately introduced Felicity and made sure Oliver looked like Stephen Amell. Oh god that shit was the worst. Amazing how one obscure Firestorm character becomes complete cancer to one already shit show, and briefly in comics. Thankfully no one even acknowledges that weird period of Green Arrow.
However you bring up a good topic; I may hate ARROW, but I can admit John Diggle was a good idea worth bringing over. He's Ollie's "Alfred", a non costumed handler that grounds Queen to his mundane responsibilities
Juan Moore
To be fair, whole ‘I am groot’ thing happened way before the movie ever came out and it was awful then. The synergy that ruined groot was that they made him a gentle giant instead of the imperious monarch of Planet X that he once was. Also for some reason Bendis made it so that every member of his race only spoke in ‘I am groot’.
Joseph Hall
Currently, Stinger is a good girl that works alongside her dad as an heroic duo.
Isaac Bailey
Cassie "Stinger" Lang is basically Scott's sidekick right now. It makes more sense than Wasp, be it Janet or Nadia. >There are plenty of other Pym Particle People running around Not as many as you would think. Shit is still hard to come by, and impossible to mass produce
Jason Bailey
>Stinger Do you mean Cassie, or the ant-man clone made by the master of the world?
Because Cassie’s stinger has never been a villain, and the other Stinger has been dead for years along with the other evil heroes for hire clones.
William Martin
adding the Agents of SHIELD tv show characters to 616 was kind of weird it was messy with established characters like Quake and Nick Fury (more the avengers movie but whatever) because details have to be retconned and Fury became his black son adding in Coulson, May, and FitzSimmons was easier because they were just new characters, even if Coulson got tied into that Nick Fury race change son thing comic Coulson calls Quake "Skye" because that was Quake's name in the tv show before she learned who she was
Grant Ward gets iron man armor in the comics though so that's pretty cool and Simmons gets turned into a Deathlok cyborg, I didn't realize that comics are weird
>Because Cassie’s stinger has never been a villain Well except the part where she agreed to be a super villain for hire just to get back at Cross and partly her dad. But hey it worked out! Has Quake been anything besides one of Nick Fury's Angels?
Angel Collins
Yeah, she was in that shield comic that was a weird tie-in to the series but set in the comics universe, and she was in that secret warriors book during the inhumans push. Lately they’ve been pushing her in that marvel’s rising trash.
Zachary Lee
yes, her mom was an asian prostitute with latent inhuman lineage so they even added that inhuman element from the show too although in the show she just went through full on terrigenesis
Juan Rodriguez
is valkyrie or heimdall black in 616 yet?
Gabriel Hernandez
They're both dead
Jane Foster is the new Valkyrie Sif is the new Heimdall
Justin Adams
Most synergy is bad, especially MCU synergy, because they mostly ignore the current character development just to copy/paste the MCU version, Shuri is the best example, not only she's younger and smart now, it's retroactive.
The Yellowjacket one is bad too, not the costume but the fact that is Darren and not his son Augustine, they basically ignored him despite being a big part of the arc, I'm sure Spencer wanted to made him Yellowjacket but Marvel said no.
Pic related is the only example of good corporate synergy in the past 10 years and that's mostly because of how good the guy who played Yellowjacket was. >tfw no crazy White Nick Fury >tfw no competent Guardians of the Galaxy >tfw no wacky costume Hawkeye >tfw Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver aren't mutants anymore for some reason >tfw shitty helmet Cap (I think they actually went back to his old design recently which is good) Thank god Hulk and Banner have been left relatively unscathed.
William Jackson
She only lasted for 6 issues.
Blake Ramirez
>shitty helmet Cap That's based on the Ultimate design, not the MCU.
Eli Russell
Yeah but they transitioned to that design because the MCU was using it too.
Sebastian Cooper
Using O'Donnells red 'Robin/Nightwing' costume minus the cape for the new 52 was fucking retarded.
