This was underwhelming imo. I expected more from Disney at that point in the game. It just wasn't very fun or engaging

Pic related is how it should've ended.

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I think the main problem with the film is that there's no stakes. They keep saying that they need to bring that mcguffin to Te Fiti so that the island's people can have food and water again, yet we never see anyone suffer. Once Moana sets off in her trip, we don't see the island again until the very end, so you're not engaged. At least Frozen took some breaks from Anna's jouney to show us Arendelle suffering from the cold once in a while

None of those movies showed anything "more" than Moana did. They all had equal songs, equal stories, equal comedy/action/characterdevelopment.
If anything, you might simply have gotten used to the same formula being used in every movie, and that's the only reason why this movie is boring compared to the previous ones to you

Maybe, but i felt they did more stuff to subvert the formula, whereas Moana is just paint by numbers. Also, those films had better scripts, characters, humor and drama imo. They also didn't consist of only 2 speaking characters for 70 % of the runtime.

Zootopia isn't aging well. Sure, the worldbuilding and animation are fantastic, but we are starting to see it as Crash for kids. The racism angle got a bit messy in execution. I would have rather preferred a commentary on how despite being civilized creatures we all still animalistic instincts.

Typically if you're revered for doing something, if you do it again, it should be better though. Those movies might not have done "more" than Moana, but Moana specifically following those movies is reasonable to have an expectation that Moana would do "more" than them.

If people just wanted to see something on the level of Tangled and Frozen again from the same creators, they wouldn't be watching a new movie. They're not on par with sequels, but advancements in quality as a company gets more experience and releases new products isn't exactly entitlement

Moana was very linear. Follow stars, pick up guy, go here, get this, go there, put that back, finish.

Of course

I agree. It wasn't really clear on how the species worked as race angle. As a buddy cop action flick I still found it pretty based though. Nick and Judy are also pretty cool characters.

I just want Disney and Pixar to go back to the basics and make some new classics. It's obvious they are trying to make the stories too complicated. Look at how simple Toy Story was. I want more stuff like that. Something funny and welll told and simple. No racism allegories, deconstruction of human emotions, feminism, etc. They need to just make good adventures again. It's been missing from Disney for a while and missing from Pixar since Toy Story 3.

Tangled fits that description. But yeah, story first. People will find their own meanings in a good story. Too bad the current creative crew is very much about being "socially conscious" and presenting morals with the subtlety of a taser.

This. I'm tired of them trying to make stuff with such an emphasis on nuance, social commentary and mature themes, yet mostly forget to be fun and accesible. It started out fine with Frozen, but now it's gotten out of hand

Zootopia is easily the point where Disney films became too preachy and political for my liking. The social commentary overshadows the story, and that's not how it should be imo

It's really ridiculous. Wreck It Ralph 2 and Toy Story 4 almost broke me and made me want to boycott Disney*Pixar stuff. It was so up the ass and disrespectful to the original films they were based on.

>I expected more from Disney at that point in the game.
For 2010s Disney, it was top tier.

Moana wasn't preachy or political though. It was a bit muddled on it's message of do what your ancestors did though you never actually met them. But Moana is more of a stand-out case (probably because Jennifer Lee wasn't involved).
Story should always be first. If you have to make leaps or cheats in the narrative to make your message work, you're a shit writer (Hans twist).

Toy Story 4 wasn't enjoyable and certainly neither was Ralph 2. Disney wants the sweet tears of their audience right now, but most of us see through the emotional manipulation.

It's like the filmmakers of said movies don't even see how cheesy the stuff they are trying to pull off is. They've morphed the characters into completely different people and not in an organic way. The characters are tied to the plot, which is an agenda, so they never have any character at all. They don't feel as if they are the ones controlling the story, the plot does. And that becomes an issue for me.

Precisely. And for Jennifer Lee to rewrite her characters after she said characters are more important than the story is pretty baffling. Frozen II was just Lee's attempt to educate the public on reparations. Too bad nobody learned shit and left the theater even more confused.

I liked Toy Story 4.

As much as people like to meme on early 2000s pop culture shit like Shrek and Shark Tale, at least those movies were not as socially conscious, preachy or politically correct as these late 2010s Disney and Pixar films have been recently. In hindsight, i appreciate them for that

They just want to replicate the success of Toy Story 3 and Inside Out, since those films geniunely stirred some emotions among the public.