The prequels ostensibly tell a story about a peaceful society going down the route of militarization. Palpatine engineers a crisis that makes the Republic fight for survival and become increasingly okay with an authoritarian government that promises security. The fact that he does this while creating an external enemy that he will demonize both during and after the crisis (the Outer Rim systems, and aliens in particular) is a bonus.
But... why do you need the clone troopers for this story? You don't. Actually, they're actively counterproductive to telling this story. Instead of the war being spread to society and a base of draftees coming back from the Outer Rim campaigns making up Palpatine's support base, a la WWI veterans in Germany, the war is just conducted by a small number of meat robots fighting somewhere out in space. Now combine that with the fact that their main enemies are ROBOTS. So both sides of the war are just spending money to throw automatons at each other without a care in the world. Totally disconnected.
It doesn't even fit Palpatine's goals of normalizing war, as he has intentionally kept war TOTALLY DISCONNECTED from the population. Yet after the Clone Wars end he goes on to institute mass conscription and a larger military budget. The Imperial military is non-clone. This would have made far more sense if Core World society was already used to this.
And yes, I know that the TCW animated series somewhat mitigates this by showing non-clone support personnel (presumably handling the non-combat roles that are 80% of the personnel in any modern army) and planetary militias getting involved in the fighting (Gungans, Naboo, Wookies, Mon Cala, Onderans, Geonosians, Zygerrians, Umbarans, Mandalorians, Twi'leks, Pantorans, etc.) but it's still minor and almost none of this participation comes from the Core Worlds, rather contested Outer Rim worlds, so while the "why give a fuck about clones" point is mitigated, "the bulk of the galactic population has no stake here" is as valid as ever. The main arm of the Grand Army should have been mass-conscripted young Coruscantis.
William Carter
He wanted the Republic to remain scared of the war without the member worlds building up their own independent militaries and fighting mindset that could challenge him when he made his power play Overreaching and actually forcing ordinary Republic citizens to fight would have placed more pressure on the senate to end the war rather than incentivizing it like with Kamino and banking institutions pushing to weaken the spread of government so they can profit on endlessly ordering batches of clones with de-regulated banking
The GAR being all clone gave Palpatine an immense, disciplined, experienced galactic scale military that was indoctrinated to follow his sole command
He only began mass recruitment of non-Clone forces after he already had a secure hold on power
William Lee
I partly have to agree, but I believe the real problem with the prequels is how the whole moral the movies themselves second is fucking batshit insane. Basically everything wrong with oriental religions and philosophies.
Jacob Brooks
The clones were needed because the Republic had no army as a result of their hypocritical notions of pacifism. Keeping the core systems disconnected from the war was the point, so that they wouldn't bat an eye once he'd granted himself emergency powers.
Brandon White
The prequels problems was George having zero clue on how to direct actors and nobody in his writing team having the guts to tell him "no".
Brayden Wood
So the story isn't so much a peaceful society becoming militaristic, it's an apathetic and corrupt society going along with using an inhuman army to fight their war for them and not realizing they've willingly given away all measures that could have protected them until Palpatine is declaring a new galactic order
The Clone Wars cartoon show covers more of the era's politics than anything else
Juan Cooper
The Republic could've just clobbered together an army and a fleet with their massive industrial base and recruitment pool. Coruscant alone has a trillion people on it, of which well over a hundred billion would be males of fighting age. It'd actually work better narratively if the early days of the war were marked by mass slaughters of poorly-organized and poorly-equipped conscripts because there has been peace so long that no one knows how to conduct a galactic conflict. lIKE WW1. That'd contribute to the hardening of the galaxy's resolve when bodybags from both sides start coming in.
The Core Worlds being totally disconnected doesn't really work when the whole point was to normalize war and make Operation "I'm recruiting a hundred billion conscripts and ordering tens of thousands of warships to militarily occupy the galaxy" feasible.
Levi Thompson
The real problem with those movies is they failed in almost every aspect of story telling. The only thing done competently was the special effects.
Agree that the clones are a kind of a weird part of the story, but really the trilogy is full of awkward nonsense bullshit like that.
Kayden Cruz
>But... why do you need the clone troopers for this story? Aside from having a personal army that would take down the Jedi and follow his every order?
Benjamin Campbell
user, have you never seen A New Hope? Kenobi and Anikin fought in The Clone Wars, which were a big enough deal for Luke to learn about in backwater Tatooine. Why would it be called the Clone War if it didn't involve any clones?
Colton Roberts
>The Republic could've just clobbered together an army and a fleet with their massive industrial base and recruitment pool. But they wouldn't have wanted to. Palpatine kept the Republic's high and middle class nice and cozy while a supposed civil war was going on. >when the whole point was to normalize war He wasn't trying to normalize war, he was trying to get the core worlds scared shitless of a war that until then hadn't affected their lives beyond some diverted funds for extra clones. By the time Palpatine starting conscripting people for his imperial army, the senators were eating out of his hand and when they started asking questions, he dissolved the senate and pointed the Death Star at them.
Jaxson Gray
Are you one of those people that praise Avellone and write gray Jedi fanfics?
Eli Smith
The biggest problem with the prequels is that Lucas is a fucking retarded hack and Star Wars was only ever any good to begin with thanks to the input of people with actual talent. If Lucas had his way to begin with he would have only directed a Buck Rogers reboot.
Back when that line was mentioned nobody, including George himself, even knew that "Clone Wars" was or even meant. The most popular theory at the time was that the Clones were basically the equivalent of Space Orcs and even then some people assumed it wasn't literal clones but rather it was just a name of a setting.
Keep in mind, this was before the prequels were considered to be made or even Disney going full retard and made Solo's name literally mean Solo. It was totally believable that Clone was never meant to be literal but a foreign sounding name that George came-up with for a single line of dialogue.
Kayden Fisher
Gray Jedi are something purely impossible.
Matthew Phillips
The problem with the prequels, structurally anyways, is The Phantom Menace. It's a pointless movie. They should have started at the start of the Clone Wars with Anakin as a young adult, around Luke's age. The events in Revenge of the Sith lacked build-up, they had to contrive a reason for Anakin to suddenly turn evil instead of it being a gradual corruption.
Brandon Brooks
Yeah it's bizarre that the war was named after the type of troops that were deployed by "the good guys". The clones definitely should have been the enemy force.
Elijah Green
Anakin joining the Order both as an outsider and someone too old to completely fall under their influence is actually pretty important for the story to work. The problem was they made Anakin too young, he should've been in his early to mid teens instead of nine.
Levi Jones
You could have done that while still setting it at the start of the clone wars, the whole taxation of trade routes nonsense was pointless.
Aaron Fisher
Pure good guy/bad guy factions are retarted. There is a whole god damn universe of aliens with the discovery of magic and spirituality and you're seriously telling me only two schools of philosophy exist in the entire fucking galaxy?
Fucking stupid. I want the Jedi and Sith to fuck off already. Writers have the potential to actual make new ideas, but nobody ever does. It's all either retreading the same old thing and the one cunt that decided to be different had the ingenuous idea that tearing everything down is better then actually creating something new because I guess only the unorigonal and the mentally disabled can work in this franchise.
>The clones definitely should have been the enemy force They were
Liam Howard
The clone wars would have been handled far better had George Lucas pulled off what Obsidian had with the Mandalorian wars. The clones should have been the antagonizing force the republic was facing which necessitated a draft and military industrial takeover of the Republic. The Jedi should have sat sidelined as the hippies they are and refuse to fight for the republic because they'd prefer a more diplomatic solution. Naboo could have been the first world hit propelling Padme and Palpatine into significance and Obi-wan and Anakin could have defied the council to fight for the republic. Years of fighting converts many against the Jedi who are seen as assholes that could have helped protect the galaxy the way Anakin and Obi-wan have. Obi-Wan still holds on to the trachings of the Jedi given his years of attachment he has for them While Anakin becomes more and more agitated by them especially with Padme and Palpatine pushing these sentiments on him. The war ends with the Republic a complete facist military dictatorship and order 66 is committed by civilians and soldiers alike who commit jedi-cide as an act of revenge for years of being forsaken. Anakin joins on this while Obi-wan sticks with the Jedi seeing who the war has corrupted the government.
Christopher Thomas
Or you can have Clone be the name of some planetary system. The point was it could've been anything, not just the obvious one.
Alexander Moore
Prequels were fine compared to the nu trilogy
Jayden White
Only because 2 decades of people fixing George's bullshit has passed to make it go from a complete abortion of the franchise to something fairly decent when totally ignoring its origins. >inb4 nu Trilogy destroyed everything set-up from the OG trilogy Midichlorians.
Matthew Harris
The problem with the prequels wasn't midiclorians, but Hayden Christiansen's inability to act
Joseph Rivera
>The problem with the prequels wasn't just midiclorians, but George Lucas's inability to direct people FIFY.
Noah Gray
The midichlorians didn't change shit
Ayden Campbell
>the problem with the prequels was it was too complicated for my overly medicated mind Fixed
Jace Bell
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