5G is 5Gone Edition.
Which probably means we're stuck with the current status quo indefinitely, for better or worse.
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Discuss your feelings on this, ongoing and upcoming storylines in BG, BatO, or YJ, and anything else Batgirls-related.
Batgirls Thread
Jonathan Cook
Ayden Gomez
I want to rape Stephanie.
David Peterson
Now Now, there's still room for the timeline to finally be straightened out and for Cass's history to be restored. The only parts of 5G that needed to to be cancelled was the semi-real timeline and the fifth generation part.
Joseph Smith
so what's with people hating so much barbara gordon as batgirl but liking her so much more as oracle?
i've never really bothered with the oracle stuff so i'd like to know
Austin Brown
I wish more people would remember to include Betty. She's always being forgotten or left out
Alexander Cook
Nicholas Gray
Blake Gray
You're violating the restraining order, Sionis.
Jaxson Thompson
She moaned like a whore while it happened.
Benjamin Rivera
Charles Butler
Adam Murphy
I think it's because post Flashpoint writers gave her a lot of Stephanie's characteristics, making one of them redundant. Before that Barbara was mature buta little cocky and also best friends with Supergirl pre-crisis. So really it's more of an issue of characterization. Me personally I like them both.
Logan Reed
Cassandra is Best Girl
Nolan Rodriguez
That time Cass met Bette.
Brody Robinson
I don't know about that user...
we've seen trickledown effects at the very least of something going on at DC. B&O feels like it's nearing an end. Whether that means the series will end or not is up in the air.
To add that Stephanie's time as Batgirl was removed, but it seems Hill has been making a point about Cass with her lost time as Batgirl and even Shiva pointing this fact out.
Something is gonna give.
Thomas Collins
Classic Babsgirl and Oracle aren't all that different. Oracle just has a little extra "her smile and optimism: gone" going on.
It's this new generically spunky but not enough of an underdog to be engaging Babsgirl that annoys people.
Nolan Clark
We need a Batgirls team book. Cass and Steph independantly decide to become Batgirl on their own, run into each other during a case. Babs is on their ass because "How DARE you!", and after a brief scuffle amongst themselves they're interrupted by the bad guys and put aside their differences to work together. Babs then takes them under her wing, becomes the den mother, and... THEY FIGHT CRIME!!! With Bette joining soon after
Aaron Martinez
I loved this speech, but it strikes me as odd that Bruce is being blamed for not "letting" Cass be Batgirl. He's certainly to blame for withholding the symbol from her (since that's apparently the in-universe reason she can't have one), but Batgirl's never been under his direct supervision and guidance the way Robin is, and as such has never been his to give or take. It was Barbara who gave Cass the blessing in NML, and while Bruce was pulling the strings on Steph's appointment to Batgirl, it was ultimately Cass' choice to follow his will or ignore it.
So, basically, Batgirl isn't "his" and Bruce can't "make" anyone Batgirl, whether he wants to or not. At the moment the ball's in Babs' court, and she's not in much of a position to want to part with the cowl, so we're stuck.
Camden James
I liked that she did it for the sake of Steph's character development. She knew it was something her friend needed, and I'd like to think following Bruce's plan was motivated more by her friendship with Steph than anything else. They're just so cute together, is all.
Cooper Kelly
I think it's due to the fact that Bruce knows that there are shenanigans going on (ala with what happened to Tim/Steph) and knows that something happened with Cass.
But-- while he allowed Tim/Steph to do their own things, he hasn't really done that with Cass.
Kayden Foster
I think it's mostly resentment over Nu52 allowing all Robins to exist at some point, but retconning Barbara to be the one and only Batgirl. Also, Didio's hateboner of Steph and Cass that peaked in pettiness when he veto'd Steph's appearance in the Smallville comic in favor of last-minute Babs. Also, this , especially in other media where Barbara is given more of Steph's characterization.
Ethan Watson
Cass is shit. She’s poo.
Cameron Cruz
fuck off Dan
Leo Reyes
It is very sweet. It's a shame the exchange didn't result in some real character development for Cass too, but she'd probably already had as full of an arc as she was going to with the Batgirl identity, and Steph still needed that final push to finish hers.
Matthew Peterson
It sent me to another fucking dimension when last week's HQ confirmed there were other Robins before Damian. Usually she's at least ahead of the literal child, if nothing else.
Lucas Richardson
What about Batwinks?
Jacob Moore
More like the writer is reusing old plots from New 52 and DCYou. We've had Oracle and now they're redoing "Death of the Family" even with James Jr.
Cooper Rogers
Make a Batboys thread if you want one, user. It'll get hijacked by Damifag, but that's just the way it goes.
Caroline Hill can stay though.
Jayden Ross
post rare babs
Michael Ortiz
I've only watched the shorts so far, but I liked this one.
Caleb James
Barbara is fine in AUs where she is essentially starting at her origin. In contrast, her going from Oracle back to Batgirl is like seeing Dick Grayson going from an adult Nightwing back to a teenaged Robin.
Robert Russell
>We've had Oracle
The fat they've repurposed Oracle for an evil robot really pisses me off. It's clear they have no respect for what oracle represented or an intention to properly replace either her role as the Birds of Prey's mission control or a positive example of disabled representation.
Jaxon Howard
Every time they have something good with James Jr. they fuck it up. And I'm not talking about this new arc throwing away the redemption, I'm talking about the redemption throwing away him being Babs' Hannibal. Could've been fun.
Robert Roberts
And even then it's even more petty than the DCYou version which served as a mcguffin to save her when the "final" villain erased her mind.
Yeah, that or the Batman who Lols being the cause of his madness. Nope, we're back to square one again from the New 52.
William Edwards
It just kind of sucked that Bruce was like "give up the thing you care about most" without any real regard for how Cass would feel about that. Which was apparently "bad," because she fucked off to Hong Kong to live as a nameless vigilante with no contact with any of her former allies for about a year.
But that was during an era where basically no one cared about Cass, not even the characters that she was closest to in the books.