Why do they keep presenting this character as admirable?
Why do they keep presenting this character as admirable?
Your wording implies a trend so I hope you have more than two examples.
>Legend of Korra is a show about how taking any political extreme is bad
>Also, Su Yin founded a Libertarian utopia and she is a incapable of doing anything wrong
What did Mike DiMartini mean by this?
Holdo was just a filler character, because Carrie Fisher was too old and too much on drugs to play Leia awake in episode 8, which is why she spent most of the time sleeping in a coma after she did that superman-shit.
Carrie Fisher then died from overworking and overdosing, making all that shit and sacrifice in real life to bolster her up entirely pointless.
That's the truth, and we all know it to be true.
These characters are written by aging Hollywood wine girls for aging suburban wine moms
Holdo might be the biggest cunt ive ever seen in a movie that wasn't intended as a villain.
*admiral
Personally I think the Resistance was simply full of people who knew almost nothing about waging war. Just look at Rose Tico. Why else would Ackbar even be on board? Because Leia couldn't find good people who weren't, like, a hundred.
Holdo was simply the best of what's left.
Same with the Republic before 'The Phantom Menace'. War was a lost art. No standing armies. Some 1500 Jedi warriors could virtually ensure peace across an entire galaxy.
The Trade Federation creates an army out of robots - as cheaply built as possible, that drop like flies against swamp-dwelling civilians who haven't waged war in forever.
If the Star Wars people came to Earth they would be horrified and view us as bloodthirsty, belligerent savages.
dingdingding we have a winner.
Both suck
They had war in conflict all the time in Star Wars it was just rarely on a fully Galactic scale. Whole reagions of the galaxy would be at war for years at a time.
>that drop like flies against swamp-dwelling civilians who haven't waged war in forever.
But the Gungans DID have a standing army and a warrior culture. One they kept in practice while the Naboo on the surface played pretty pretty princess with their political leaders and relied on the Galactic Senate. Boss Nass should take over planetary affairs of Naboo.
'keeping in practice' is not hardly the same as experiencing an actual war.
At least Holdo had the decency of dying and being useful when dying. Suyin ALMOST learned a lesson about how shitty she was to Kuvira before the latter sucks her dick and says “No, it’s all my fault”.
>that drop like flies against swamp-dwelling civilians
The droids beat the shit out of the gungans, you dumb faggot. It was only because Anakin destroyed the control ship that the droids deactivated and lost the battle.
But did she do anything wrong though? Like I get that parts of a captains job is to keep the crew calm but they are under no obligation to tell the crew anything are they?
>But did she do anything wrong though
She didn't need to tell the crew anything, she just needed to say something along the lines of "I know you are all scared, but I got this covered, trust me we got a plan" instead of acting like a unprofessional cunt all the time
The big problem with the movie is that we're expected to believe that Poe is in the wrong the entire time... but we're given no contradictory evidence to show that Poe IS wrong until the end, where it's revealed what her plan was. At the very least, include a scene where Poe isn't around, where Holdo at least indicates that she's working on SOMETHING.
It's to run the crew. That means knowing everything going on on the ship, and keeping everyone in line and with high-enough morale. She failed because her crew felt so put-upon by her secrecy (which wasn't kept out of necessity but out of some sort of personal issue with Poe) that they mutinied. All she had to do was tell Poe, which much of the crew trusted as a de facto leader, that she had a plan but that the nature of the plan required secrecy. Instead, she stonewalled him and justified it with, "I'm pulling rank." Bad leaders do that. Vindictive authority figures do that. She was both.
I thought you retards were supposed to like traditional family values. Suyin had a stable, loving marriage and 4 kids.
I'd say it's clear that none of the crew liked her. Look, they are just ignoring the mutiny in the middle of the hangar
The best part about Holdo is that it's canon that she was a coward who was attempting to run away at the end. She took out the First Order fleet totally by accident.
Like Cersei?
That is kind of what happened to Cersei once they ran out of/started ignoring book material. D&D took "Cersei is a delusional, paranoid alcoholic unaware that she's destroying herself" and interpreted it as "haha smug lady smirk and sip wine".
Yeah, I heard that they changed her character a lot. She just seemed to be popular with that crowd.
Poor writing, if Holdo was a man the character would have still sucked.
Since her plan relied on the First Order to not be constantly scanning their ship for fuel, lifeforms or cloaking, i'd say she's also stupid
>" and interpreted it as "haha smug lady smirk and sip wine".
And then proceeded to destroy herself even more.
>Cersei blowing up the sept.
>Brilliant.
>Cersei not suffering ANY consequences from blowing up the sept, but instead benefiting from it.
>Are you fucking kidding me
She was on an insane winning streak until literally the last hour of the show though. Blew up the sept of baelor with no consequences, assumed direct control of Westeros with no significant opposition, smashed Dany's fleets and armies with ease...it was just the dragons at the end that did her in. The show makes Cersei out to be some Tywin-tier mastermind blessed with perfect luck, it's ridiculous.
Blowing up the sept cost her the last child she had.
Because Men need to be taught a lesson!
>too old
lol she died at 60. She was a fucking baby when they filmed Star Wars. She just couldn't be fucking bothered to care but even so no one seems to have a bad word to say about her. Hamil would give her shit because they forcibly slimmed his fat ass down to the best shape he's ever been in years but she'd just tell the trainers to fuck off
Why are these characters boring?
I honestly thought she was a Imperial spy when i watched it for the first time
Doesn't seem to bother her all that much, when Jamie confronts her about it she says Tommen betrayed them and is all happy about popping out another kid.
I think he was talking about political and social consequences that the books and the show always tried to establish as natural part of big events.
fuck off
mommy suyin cant be compared to holdo
Tried and failed multiple times
they get mad at surface level things
they dont actually know the shows/films/games they get mad about
Based.
They aren't that much alike.
The problem with Holdo is that she is presented as an antagonistic character for most of the movie that constantly belittles and hides information from one of the protagonists to the point that he tries to make up his own plan to save everyone's lives (keep in mind that this plan takes more than half the movie) only for it to turn out that she had a plan all along.
The main problem with Suyin is that she advocates so much for the murder of her adopted daughter after she becomes Earth Hitler despite her entire backstory being someone that fixed her life after being spared from going to prison.
She got mutiny'd so she did plenty of wrong.