>has a good hook and concept
>is a pretty complex character
>has a good enough rogues gallery in theory
>the books themselves are passable
>yet has no fleshed out rogues gallery
>yet has no actually great stories
>yet is just "there"
>yet nothing interesting is done with him
Why is that? I've read the majority of IM stuff, and sure, even at their worst, they're passable capestories. But the concept's pretty rich, yet nothing is done with it at the end of the day. He doesn't even have a CyberPunk series in 2099, when even Doom got one. You read GitS, and you get whole diatribes on how the cyborgs work, with whole bits from textbooks on how infractions work. So why can't Iron Man be like that? Also, it might be sacrilege, but I never liked the goatee, and the mustache was even worse. And I say that as someone who likes Kaminski's run the most. He should shave that. At best he should have a stubble like Commander Shepard.
Has a good hook and concept
Because Marvel is afraid of advancing their setting beyond the contemporary. You can't realistically have a guy like Tony Stark running around without him radically altering technology and society, so he just feels kind of useless.
Tony 2.0 is based even if he got bad taste
How come modern AI tony is just fighting for dumb AI rights(I know it sorta moved past that but not by much)
Sums up most of Marvel characters. Silver surfer, Eternals, and most of their cosmic stuff. Writers don't know what to do, so they just write a cosmic royal rumble every now and then. They haven't had stuff like Saga of the Swamp Thing, or Sandman, where a writer could use their settings for a masterpiece.
Unlike DC, Marvel put their top talent on their big books.
Fair point, but you could've still done more with it.
Yeah, Slott's run was awful, and we don't even know who's gonna take over.
Exactly my point. Tons of characters ripe with potential, and Marvel just has them stand around and do nothing.
It goes beyond that. Superheroes are an escapist power fantasy, they represent stuff you'd want to do/be.
And modern marvel doesn't think "rich knows-better-than-you white womanizer" is allowed as a fantasy.
Because cape comics are a creative black hole. There's nothing in it for anyone to dedicate that much thought for Disney Intellectual Property Holdings Inc. when they could just make their own story that does it.
>Tons of characters ripe with potential, and Marvel just has them stand around and do nothing.
Because, due to the nature of cape comics they 1) can never evolve so it's really not worth it to anyone to spend the time doing it
2) they really only exist as ways to keep the IP in circulation between movies and video games
3) their "potential" is less than the potential of a new idea that does this for itself (that the creators will either own or have a larger slice of).
That doesn't even make any sense, and only propagated by mangafags. It doesn't explain their C to Z listers.
So tell us why someone should spend such time developing an idea for Disney Inc. which will likely be done away with 5 minutes after they leave the project, and will get them nothing at all for the effort?
The answer is to not hire fanboy writers.
Why would anyone but a fanboy do that for Iron Man rather than just make their own comic that they'll own?
The same way plenty of work for hire writers did it with other characters. The concept of fanboy writer and a good writer are oxymoron.
But this isn't the 80s any more. You don't have to use these characters as a proxy, or as a stepping stone to getting your own ideas in to print any more. You just make it. Why should someone deal with all the corporate and cultural bullshit infesting Marvel now rather than just make the comic themselves?
That doesn't explain why people still work for hire. Even if a fanboy was put on the title, as you want, he could never write anything good.
>Even if a fanboy was put on the title, as you want,
>as you want,
Why are you making assumptions? I said the only reason anyone has to make this Iron Man rather than their own idea is if they are a fanboy for Iron Man. Anyone with a spark for creativity has no reason to try and force his original idea into an Iron Man suit, when all he'll get for it is a shitty wage.
And yeah, he might get paid, but he'll get that anyway if he's working for Marvel, so why put all that extra effort in for only Disney's benefit, assuming they'll even let him go off the rails like that.
Here's a question: why is it so important to YOU that this be an Iron Man setting? Why can't this be an original idea? American comics are the most creatively stagnant form of entertainment on the planet, and its made worse because even the readers are unable to think about things other than through the cape lens.
Because it’s Capeshit. As for the spoiler, I agree. Stubble looks better and fits his character more.
>why is it so important to YOU that this be an Iron Man setting?
Why is it so important to YOu that this not be an Iron Man setting?
He told you already, dumbass
OK, let's think about it this way: should Masamune Shirow have made Ghost in the Shell, or have tried to force it in to an Astro Boy story? You do know there was a time when Ghost in the Shell didn't exist, right?
Because work for hire still exists and people still do it. Exclusive Image writers are still far and few. Guys like Ennis, Ellis, Morrison, seem to write for every other publisher out there. You've got some strange structure of the industry in your mind.
You also assume that ideas ARE the comic itself, and that those ideas which are published in funny books are something unique that no one has every thought since man developed language.
Why should I say what Masamune should've done. The debate is about whether they do, and not whether they should.
OK, well I guess we should just write Marvel/DC fanfiction forever then?
The capeshit hegemony is an absolute cancer on the industry and the mindset of the people who partake in it.
Think about the question that I'm asking you. Why did he create a franchise for himself, but your only thought is "wow, this is a really good idea. If only there was a way to make our corporate-sanctioned ideas more like it..."
This is all you're doing "Please, corporation. Please give us something like foreign man did for himself."
And how can you then say "why should I say what Masamune should've done?" without realising what I'm really asking is "should he have done what you want (take franchise and twist it into something else), or should he have made the idea that inspired you to make this thread in the first place?" Would you have been inspired to make this thread if he was just the guy in charge of Astro Boy for a few years before being replaced by someone else? Would you ask "Why can't Iron Man be more like Astro Boy Volumes 20-25?" or whatever?
Your point is that nobody should work for hire. You're not even answering anything and have taken the thread in a whole new direction.
>Your point is that nobody should work for hire.
No it isn't. You're actually an idiot, aren't you? My point is why can't you, if you're so inspired by something, make something new like the guy you were inspired by?
My countering of the corporate system was not "work for hire" because getting a publishing deal for your own idea isn't much different, but rather that there's no reason someone who is so inspired should have to force it in to Iron Man outside of them just caring that much about Iron Man. This could be a Batman story just as easily as an Iron Man story, and just as easily as it could be any other major Marvel/DC character, because if you're forcing an original idea in to this setting what does the setting matter?
There was also a time when Iron Man didn't exist either, you know?
You sound like an "aspiring" writer because you got some kind of "original" idea that you think has never been thought of before.
Most writers in real world don't harp on the thing called "ideas" as much as you do, and the structure of industry proves that.
> and the structure of industry proves that.
You mean were capeshit is shrinking and original graphic novels are growing?
He's too masculine. Too rich. Too white. Too hetero.
A year ago I would have dismissed this as incel nonsense.
Mainstream comics are the same as they always have been, in terms of market share.
>in terms of market share.
But what composes that market share?
>A year ago I would have dismissed this as incel nonsense.
For all the words of tongue and pen,
The saddest are these,
'Zig Forums was right again'